Nebraska has now learned it has to play be the Rhules.

no program has suffered from realignment more than nebraska. their b12 record (1996-2010) was 77-37 .675; their b10 59-74 .444.

cmr has brought some semblance of competitive football but frankly - from manhattan, ks - it doesn't look like he will ever challenge michigan, penn state, or ohio state.

psu with matt campbell now will be the most interesting program in the league. seeing if indiana was a one hit wonder will be worthy too even though cuban money and cig's coaching are likely to keep them top tier.

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tmcats said:

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no program has suffered from realignment more than nebraska.

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Washington State and Oregon State disagree.

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point taken. we disagree.

BaylorHistory said:

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tmcats said:

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no program has suffered from realignment more than nebraska.

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Washington State and Oregon State disagree.

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In the days where non P4 teams can still make the playoffs, Washington State might actually be getting more respect with a better record than they were getting as a PAC 10 bottom feeder. They have been a fun program to watch. For several years, they seem to have a knack for finding diamond in the rough type guys who go on to get poached by bigger programs.

Chuckroast said:

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BaylorHistory said:

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tmcats said:

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no program has suffered from realignment more than nebraska.

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Washington State and Oregon State disagree.

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In the days where non P4 teams can still make the playoffs, Washington State might actually be getting more respect with a better record than they were getting as a PAC 10 bottom feeder. They have been a fun program to watch. For several years, they seem to have a knack for finding diamond in the rough type guys who go on to get poached by bigger programs.

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Oh, sure they can have a good season here and there, but I don't think there's a real chance in this pay for play system they ever see a talent level like they had in 97, 01, or 02 again. In the before times in the Pac12 before NIL & transfer portal they were usually trash, but there was always hope even if it was unlikely.

BaylorHistory said:

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Chuckroast said:

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BaylorHistory said:

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tmcats said:

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no program has suffered from realignment more than nebraska.

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Washington State and Oregon State disagree.

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In the days where non P4 teams can still make the playoffs, Washington State might actually be getting more respect with a better record than they were getting as a PAC 10 bottom feeder. They have been a fun program to watch. For several years, they seem to have a knack for finding diamond in the rough type guys who go on to get poached by bigger programs.

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Oh, sure they can have a good season here and there, but I don't think there's a real chance in this pay for play system they ever see a talent level like they had in 97, 01, or 02 again. In the before times in the Pac12 before NIL & transfer portal they were usually trash, but there was always hope even if it was unlikely.

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I'm simply alluding to a point in their season two years ago when they were discussed as having an outside chance at making the playoffs (ESPN's CFP predictor gave them a 7% chance of making the playoffs at one point during the season). It was Mateer's last year there. I don't think their program suffered too much from conference realignment or that they are in worse shape than they were in their last several years in the PAC 10 (granted they didn't have far to fall). They have been pretty resilient.

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IowaBear said:

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I don't know why this board continues to hate on Rhule when the current coach at Baylor is Dave Aranda. A guy whose bottom 2 coach in this league and a proven loser

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I don't know why there is any Matt Rhule love. We weren't a good team in any of the seasons that he was here.

It's OK to think that Aranda needs to be fired, AND to think that Matt Rhule is grossly overrated.

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And neither of them come even close to Kevin Steele ...

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You can't really compare Steele and Aranda given the ridiculous disparity in the facilities they were given to work with and the relative strength of the Big 12 during the Steele days (really was a P4 conference) compared to today. I'd say that Steele's coaching decision not to kneel against UNLV has had a number of equivalent Aranda moments, including the two free hail marys he gave Colorado to lose the game.

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KIA said:

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KIA said:

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IowaBear said:

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I don't know why this board continues to hate on Rhule when the current coach at Baylor is Dave Aranda. A guy whose bottom 2 coach in this league and a proven loser

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I don't know why there is any Matt Rhule love. We weren't a good team in any of the seasons that he was here.

It's OK to think that Aranda needs to be fired, AND to think that Matt Rhule is grossly overrated.

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And neither of them come even close to Kevin Steele ...

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You can't really compare Steele and Aranda given the ridiculous disparity in the facilities they were given to work with and the relative strength of the Big 12 during the Steele days (really was a P4 conference) compared to today. I'd say that Steele's coaching decision not to kneel against UNLV has had a number of equivalent Aranda moments, including the two free hail marys he gave Colorado to lose the game.

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It's a damn good point.

Aranda has had facilities and coaching staff salaries that Steele could only dream about.

Redbrickbear said:

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Realitybites said:

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KIA said:

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KIA said:

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IowaBear said:

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I don't know why this board continues to hate on Rhule when the current coach at Baylor is Dave Aranda. A guy whose bottom 2 coach in this league and a proven loser

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I don't know why there is any Matt Rhule love. We weren't a good team in any of the seasons that he was here.

It's OK to think that Aranda needs to be fired, AND to think that Matt Rhule is grossly overrated.

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And neither of them come even close to Kevin Steele ...

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You can't really compare Steele and Aranda given the ridiculous disparity in the facilities they were given to work with and the relative strength of the Big 12 during the Steele days (really was a P4 conference) compared to today. I'd say that Steele's coaching decision not to kneel against UNLV has had a number of equivalent Aranda moments, including the two free hail marys he gave Colorado to lose the game.

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It's a damn good point.

Aranda has had facilities and coaching staff salaries that Steele could only dream about.

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But Steele had Dale.

Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Realitybites said:

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KIA said:

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KIA said:

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IowaBear said:

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I don't know why this board continues to hate on Rhule when the current coach at Baylor is Dave Aranda. A guy whose bottom 2 coach in this league and a proven loser

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I don't know why there is any Matt Rhule love. We weren't a good team in any of the seasons that he was here.

It's OK to think that Aranda needs to be fired, AND to think that Matt Rhule is grossly overrated.

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And neither of them come even close to Kevin Steele ...

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You can't really compare Steele and Aranda given the ridiculous disparity in the facilities they were given to work with and the relative strength of the Big 12 during the Steele days (really was a P4 conference) compared to today. I'd say that Steele's coaching decision not to kneel against UNLV has had a number of equivalent Aranda moments, including the two free hail marys he gave Colorado to lose the game.

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It's a damn good point.

Aranda has had facilities and coaching staff salaries that Steele could only dream about.

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But Steele had Dale.

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how can I give this post more stars?

Chuckroast said:

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BaylorHistory said:

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Chuckroast said:

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BaylorHistory said:

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tmcats said:

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no program has suffered from realignment more than nebraska.

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Washington State and Oregon State disagree.

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In the days where non P4 teams can still make the playoffs, Washington State might actually be getting more respect with a better record than they were getting as a PAC 10 bottom feeder. They have been a fun program to watch. For several years, they seem to have a knack for finding diamond in the rough type guys who go on to get poached by bigger programs.

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Oh, sure they can have a good season here and there, but I don't think there's a real chance in this pay for play system they ever see a talent level like they had in 97, 01, or 02 again. In the before times in the Pac12 before NIL & transfer portal they were usually trash, but there was always hope even if it was unlikely.

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I'm simply alluding to a point in their season two years ago when they were discussed as having an outside chance at making the playoffs (ESPN's CFP predictor gave them a 7% chance of making the playoffs at one point during the season). It was Mateer's last year there. I don't think their program suffered too much from conference realignment or that they are in worse shape than they were in their last several years in the PAC 10 (granted they didn't have far to fall). They have been pretty resilient.

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I think they would beg to differ. After the P5 PAC's final season they lost their HC and literally half the team to the portal. That HC left for WF of all places. This fall they are entering their 3rd season post realignment with their 3rd HC. They also have severe NIL issues as I recall post realignment.

Their coaching carousel started after Leach left. Rolavich got fired for not taking the covid shot. It's true that they are now on their 3rd coach since realignment started. I don't know what type of conference money they were getting before realignment, but clearly, the PAC 10 was not healthy. Wazzu tradionally got poached of many of their best players even before realignment.


They were never the type of program that was going to be sought out after a conference realignment. My point was simply that so far they remained just as competitive as they were before, even after realignment. Granted, it wasn't a terribly high bar.

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no program has suffered from realignment more than nebraska.

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Washington State and Oregon State disagree.

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They got screwed over more than anyone else.

But suffered more would be Nebraska. They went from winning championships and competing in the Big 12 to a bottom feeder.

Sure their last few years in the Big 12 they were not as good as before but they had not dropped off as much and still had a pipeline into Texas recruiting that disappeared when they went to the Big 10.

cowboycwr said:

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BaylorHistory said:

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tmcats said:

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no program has suffered from realignment more than nebraska.

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Washington State and Oregon State disagree.

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They got screwed over more than anyone else.

But suffered more would be Nebraska. They went from winning championships and competing in the Big 12 to a bottom feeder.

Sure their last few years in the Big 12 they were not as good as before but they had not dropped off as much and still had a pipeline into Texas recruiting that disappeared when they went to the Big 10.

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Indiana has shown the way. Talent evaluation, development and coaching still matter…a lot. But having a check-stroking billionaire also matters.

Compare Tech to IU.

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I don't know why this board continues to hate on Rhule when the current coach at Baylor is Dave Aranda. A guy whose bottom 2 coach in this league and a proven loser

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I would say it is because of how he left, how he acted while here, the fact he never wanted to be here, and so much of this board acts like he was the best or second best coach Baylor ever had when in fact his record shows otherwise.... sort of like his overall record in all of college coaching now....

Bruisers Burner Phone said:

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cowboycwr said:

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BaylorHistory said:

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tmcats said:

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no program has suffered from realignment more than nebraska.

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Washington State and Oregon State disagree.

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They got screwed over more than anyone else.

But suffered more would be Nebraska. They went from winning championships and competing in the Big 12 to a bottom feeder.

Sure their last few years in the Big 12 they were not as good as before but they had not dropped off as much and still had a pipeline into Texas recruiting that disappeared when they went to the Big 10.

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Indiana has shown the way. Talent evaluation, development and coaching still matter…a lot. But having a check-stroking billionaire also matters.

Compare Tech to IU.

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Indiana is a textbook case of how NIL has impacted college football.

Hey! You guys can't laugh at Big Game Rhule he saved Baylor Dave Sucks!
lmfao

Chuckroast said:

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Bruisers Burner Phone said:

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cowboycwr said:

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BaylorHistory said:

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tmcats said:

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no program has suffered from realignment more than nebraska.

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Washington State and Oregon State disagree.

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They got screwed over more than anyone else.

But suffered more would be Nebraska. They went from winning championships and competing in the Big 12 to a bottom feeder.

Sure their last few years in the Big 12 they were not as good as before but they had not dropped off as much and still had a pipeline into Texas recruiting that disappeared when they went to the Big 10.

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Indiana has shown the way. Talent evaluation, development and coaching still matter…a lot. But having a check-stroking billionaire also matters.

Compare Tech to IU.

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Indiana is a textbook case of how NIL has impacted college football.

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The list of the top ten schools in NIL outlay toward the coming season (Texas Tech is 10th) that I've seen doesn't include Indiana. Worth thinking about.

it's more than money. coach tang spent a boatload up here and failed miserably. nebraska football is not wanting.

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Chuckroast said:

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Bruisers Burner Phone said:

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cowboycwr said:

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BaylorHistory said:

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tmcats said:

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no program has suffered from realignment more than nebraska.

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Washington State and Oregon State disagree.

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They got screwed over more than anyone else.

But suffered more would be Nebraska. They went from winning championships and competing in the Big 12 to a bottom feeder.

Sure their last few years in the Big 12 they were not as good as before but they had not dropped off as much and still had a pipeline into Texas recruiting that disappeared when they went to the Big 10.

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Indiana has shown the way. Talent evaluation, development and coaching still matter…a lot. But having a check-stroking billionaire also matters.

Compare Tech to IU.

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Indiana is a textbook case of how NIL has impacted college football.

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The list of the top ten schools in NIL outlay toward the coming season (Texas Tech is 10th) that I've seen doesn't include Indiana. Worth thinking about.

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It's not just the money that Indiana is spending. It's the leveling of the playing field that has happened allowing a team like Indiana to become a top team overnight. Many of the Blue Bloods that have dominated the sport for the last two decades simply can't maintain the depth they once had. Teams like Georgia and Alabama can't stockpile talent anymore. Their future stars simply leave for immediate playing time and a big paycheck somewhere else.

o brother

Realitybites said:

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IowaBear said:

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I don't know why this board continues to hate on Rhule when the current coach at Baylor is Dave Aranda. A guy whose bottom 2 coach in this league and a proven loser

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I think the moral of the story is don't give extensions to coaches who haven't proven themselves.

Having Penn State poach Rhule would have been a good thing for Nebraska.

Then there's this from huskers.com: "In 2024, Rhule guided Nebraska to its first winning season in eight years, and to the program's first bowl victory since 2015. This season, Rhule has led the Huskers to a 6-2 start, the best eight-game record at Nebraska in nine seasons.

Academically, Rhule's program has achieved at a high level. Following the 2025 spring semester, the cumulative grade-point average of the Nebraska football team was 3.304, the highest in the history of the program."

Maybe they've just quit trying to win national championships. Which in the NIL era, is ok. Not everyone can afford to buy one. From ESPN: "Mar 24, 2026 ... This year, several CFP contenders are expected to fund rosters in the range of $40 million to $50 million" That's 4x-5x the amount that the average P5 school spent on NIL in 2023-2024.

Outside of Texas Tech, and Utah with their private equity tie in I'm not sure who in the Big 12 can get there.

In the Big 10, you've got Indiana, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State. I don't think that teams like Iowa or Nebraska can get there.

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At Nebraska that N on their helmets stands for Knowledge.

Rhule won here and developed the best defenses Baylor has had since Grant Teaff. Not gonna bash him for trying to climb the coaching ladder.

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Rhule won here and developed the best defenses Baylor has had since Grant Teaff. Not gonna bash him for trying to climb the coaching ladder.

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so why did he leave with a losing record?

1-11 included at least eleven losses.

trust the so-called process.

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CMR is zero wins and 8 losses against rank teams after three years at Nebraska according to the paper today.

Buyout to get rid of him is over 60 million.

Lesson, be careful which coach you chase, you might just catch him.

Of course, all of this follows total disaster in NFL.

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You know your team sucks when people have nothing better to do than bash a former coach who put together the best defense your program has seen in +40 years.