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Being unprepared, out of shape, and beaten by 3 at home to a team we were supposed to beat by 35 did indeed feel like the Steele years at that time, not only to me, but also to those sitting around me. Indeed, it did.

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Huh. Everyone around me chalked it up to an anomaly and reminded each other that we were coming of a grotesque rape scandal and that it would take a minute to get back.

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Sure that played a part in it. Coaching did as well.

But I was discussing what it felt like, not the reasons we sucked ass.

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Felt like the time my little sister beat me at connect 4. Shook it off, won't happen again.

Yes I am sure the idea that coaching played any part in how we looked last year is difficult for your mind to fathom.

Liberty! Shake it off!

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Yes I am sure the idea that coaching played any part in how we looked last year is difficult for your mind to fathom.

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Your reading comprehension sucks.

You mad again? Settle down.

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You mad again? Settle down.

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Don't be thick

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Can you really blame Rhule though for letting Kaz go when Baylor essentially did nothing but sh*t on the guy and his coworkers?

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Yes. That's an easy one. He hasn't replaced him with better and he doesn't seem to understand August climate in Texas.

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Two questions:

1) How do you know he hasn't replaced him with better?

2) He doesn't understand Texas' August climate? What do you mean by that?

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Our team was gased against Liberty. (And other teams) Reminded me of the Guy Morriss teams that needed "pickle juice".

Briles teams played faster, more plays and more go routes.

Didn't seem gased. That tells me, current S&G coach didn't properly prepare the team for the Texas heat (which means he wasn't better).

Maybe they focused on the strength side of S&C.

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So you think when they were here throughout the entire Texas summer prior to the season, they didn't notice that it was hot? Or could it be that the other teams that were playing primarily 20-23 year olds were pushing around our 18-19 year olds?

Yes, Rhule has made no bones about the fact that the focus of S&C is primarily on strength and mass moreso than conditioning. And during the Cotton Bowl, we got to see firsthand what can happen when facing a bigger, stronger team.

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This is the kind of b.s. you spout that I referenced in another thread.

First, we didn't lose to MSU because we were not bigger or stronger, or worse conditioned. We lost because we got conservative, made a couple of bonehead plays, and then got a couple of bad calls against us. We win that game if we don't take our foot off the gas, IMO. Strength and mass had zero to do with it. If it did, we wouldn't have been up by 3 touchdowns in the third quarter. We had the largest offensive line in the conference, and the strongest defensive linemen in the conference. Strength and mass had zero to do with it. Just stupid.

As for your questions, our team was not composed last year primarily of 18-19 years olds, and again, anyone who suggests otherwise simply doesn't know the facts. Moreover, it was those first few games - against seriously inferior opponents from a talent perspective, that we looked gassed. Hell, even one of our DL came out and suggested it after the game - we were not prepared physically for that game.

And you say you're not an apologist...

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Oh lookie, you're continuing to follow me around the board and trying your darndest to argue the points that I've made. How cute. It's too bad that you're failing so spectacularly at it.

Since you clearly know nothing about football, I'll explain a few simple concepts to you, even while I recognize in advance that it will overwhelm your simplistic mind. First, if our offensive line was strong, we wouldn't have finished the MSU game with NEGATIVE TWENTY rushing yards. You see, knowledgeable football people understand that. It's actually not even debatable.

Secondly, earlier I offered a long list of names of the actual players that were listed on our two-deep to start the season. Every one of those players were freshmen and sophomores. Now perhaps the majority of them repeated kindergarten a few times and so weren't 18 and 19 year olds like the rest of the freshman and sophomore college students in America, but somehow I doubt that's likely. So yes, a sizable percentage of our contributors last season were 18 and 19 year olds.

Now shoo and go to your room and play with your toys, the adults are trying to have a conversation here.

Yup I was thinking of Broxton, who I believe is playing for the Ravens. So three of those "weak" offensive lineman are playing in the NFL. Pervert certainly has an interesting definition of weak.

Broxton had a cup of coffee with the Ravens, and now is a free agent. I wish him the best.

If by clown you mean that I've been clowning you from one end of this board to the other, then at least you got one thing right today. You should have a cookie and celebrate.

Jay Lee threw a TD to Coleman for our second score of the game. Then we threw that pass to McGowan.

Why did holy briles feel the need to result to trickery?

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Broxton had a cup of coffee with the Ravens, and now is a free agent. I wish him the best.

If by clown you mean that I've been clowning you from one end of this board to the other, then at least you got one thing right today. You should have a cookie and celebrate.

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Ah Broxton must be weak then. Lol.

Whatever you say sport. If that helps you sleep better. I think I'll let others be the judge of whether I or the guy who says Drango, Fuller, Hilliard and Broxton are weak is a clown but I must say - I like my chances.

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Strange how act as if it's personal to me. I suppose emotionally and mentally fragile folks like yourself seem to think every discussion is personal.

No, on the contrary, I remain big fans of those guys and wish the game hadn't gone down the way it did, the way that folks with an understanding of football much deeper than your elementary at best level recognize that it did. And in those players' defense, it's not their fault; all S&C programs have to choose their priorities, which all require some sacrifice in other areas in order to achieve the overarching goal, and in Briles' case he opted for conditioning as the priority so that his players could run a hundred plays per game. That philosophy will unavoidably sacrifice some strength and mass as a result, just like the inverse would be true as well. And it worked more often than it didn't, so certainly no complaints there. But at the end of the day in the Cotton Bowl, it was one of the deciding factors in the loss.

But I've got better things to do with my time than fruitlessly attempt to educate you further, so I'd suggest you brush up with some reading. A good start for you would probably be Football for Dummies.

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Jay Lee threw a TD to Coleman for our second score of the game. Then we threw that pass to McGowan.

Why did holy briles feel the need to result to trickery?

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Because MSU played D1 scholarship athletes, too.

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Jay Lee threw a TD to Coleman for our second score of the game. Then we threw that pass to McGowan.

Why did holy briles feel the need to result to trickery?

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Because MSU played D1 scholarship athletes, too.

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Ouch

Briles strength and conditioning program got better results on the field that any program in Baylor history. I know you're a bitter dolt, but those are the facts pervert, which you claim to deal in. Even your little buddy gold mine recognized that it Callahan had done his job we wouldn't be having this conversation. The strength and conditioning was fine and won us tons of games. We can only hope that CMR can come close to that success.

We agree on this. There was no need for the trickery. Coaching lost us that game, and some bonehead decisions by a few members of the team.

I'm still laughing at the idea that Drango, Broxton, Muir and Hilliard were weak. Smh...what an idiot.

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Briles strength and conditioning program got better results on the field that any program in Baylor history. I know you're a bitter dolt, but those are the facts pervert, which you claim to deal in. Even your little buddy gold mine recognized that it Callahan had done his job we wouldn't be having this conversation. The strength and conditioning was fine and won us tons of games. We can only hope that CMR can come close to that success.

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I can agree that Kaz was a great S&C coach, and he had a program developed to fit the type of players CAB wanted. But there's been a few guys from Temple that have come by and watched BU practice with Rhule that are current NFL players. I can't remember which one it is (Brian/Ashley are going to need to help me on his name), but he attested his S&C coach (Jeremy), for helping get him NFL ready.

We can all go by how upset we were by last years results. But I am going to give the S&C coach his chance just like CMR this year. The Sic Em guys have a nice continuing series over on premium called "Views from the Brazos". You can notice quite a change in the bodies of several key players, including Hasty/Brewer/Hand/OL Guys. Again they're being trained to fit the mold of what CMR wants not what CAB wanted. But they look good from the videos I've seen.

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Briles strength and conditioning program got better results on the field that any program in Baylor history. I know you're a bitter dolt, but those are the facts pervert, which you claim to deal in. Even your little buddy gold mine recognized that it Callahan had done his job we wouldn't be having this conversation. The strength and conditioning was fine and won us tons of games. We can only hope that CMR can come close to that success.

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Correlation is not causation.

Bill Winnington has three NBA Championship rings with the Bulls.

Not trying to put down Kaz, but you need more evidence to call him the straw that stirs the drink - that was Briles. IMO Briles would have had success with any number of S&C guys.

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I'm still laughing at the idea that Drango, Broxton, Muir and Hilliard were weak. Smh...what an idiot.

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Muir was an UFA and stuck with Atlanta on the practice squad in 2016.

Like most UFA players he bounced from SF to GB to Atlanta to the Colts in 2017 placed on Injured reserved, then cut before the season started by the Colts.

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Briles strength and conditioning program got better results on the field that any program in Baylor history. I know you're a bitter dolt, but those are the facts pervert, which you claim to deal in. Even your little buddy gold mine recognized that it Callahan had done his job we wouldn't be having this conversation. The strength and conditioning was fine and won us tons of games. We can only hope that CMR can come close to that success.

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I can agree that Kaz was a great S&C coach, and he had a program developed to fit the type of players CAB wanted. But there's been a few guys from Temple that have come by and watched BU practice with Rhule that are current NFL players. I can't remember which one it is (Brian/Ashley are going to need to help me on his name), but he attested his S&C coach (Jeremy), for helping get him NFL ready.

We can all go by how upset we were by last years results. But I am going to give the S&C coach his chance just like CMR this year. The Sic Em guys have a nice continuing series over on premium called "Views from the Brazos". You can notice quite a change in the bodies of several key players, including Hasty/Brewer/Hand/OL Guys. Again they're being trained to fit the mold of what CMR wants not what CAB wanted. But they look good from the videos I've seen.

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My comments regarding Kaz are in no way a slight toward the current strength and conditioning coaches. I'm merely mystified that anyone would suggest Briles and Kaz had weak players It's absurd.

As a premium board member I've been watching the videos you are referencing and agree. We have guys who seemed to have added a lot of bulk. While I have my doubts whether bulk and strength over speed and conditioning is the proper approach in our conference, Rhule gets to employ the kind of system he wants and I'm happy to give him time to prove they will work here. But we do need to see significant improvement this year.

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Briles strength and conditioning program got better results on the field that any program in Baylor history. I know you're a bitter dolt, but those are the facts pervert, which you claim to deal in. Even your little buddy gold mine recognized that it Callahan had done his job we wouldn't be having this conversation. The strength and conditioning was fine and won us tons of games. We can only hope that CMR can come close to that success.

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Correlation is not causation.

Bill Winnington has three NBA Championship rings with the Bulls.

Not trying to put down Kaz, but you need more evidence to call him the straw that stirs the drink - that was Briles. IMO Briles would have had success with any number of S&C guys.

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I agree that Briles could have succeeded anywhere but those around the program k ow how important Kaz was to our success. He wasn't merely along for the ride. It was an integral part of our program.

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Some forget Coach Kaz was the strength coach at South Florida before Baylor, where he helped USF become the #2 ranked team in the county his last year. USF, number 2, nationally.

Kaz left USF for a downtrodden Baylor program, where he helped Baylor reach #1 nationally. Repeating the success from USF at Baylor wasn't luck.

SMU coaches are telling parkies they hired the top college strength coach in the county. I agree with them.

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We've never been ranked number 1. #3 was the highest. Just FYI

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Some forget Coach Kaz was the strength coach at South Florida before Baylor, where he helped USF become the #2 ranked team in the county his last year. USF, number 2, nationally.

Kaz left USF for a downtrodden Baylor program, where he helped Baylor reach #1 nationally. Repeating the success from USF at Baylor wasn't luck.

SMU coaches are telling parkies they hired the top college strength coach in the county. I agree with them.

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I remember when we ran over a good UCLA team in the Holiday Bowl, how the UCLA coaches were talking about how big, strong and well-conditioned our players were. Kaz did indeed do an amazing job. The players loved him and he got the most out of them.

Hopefully we will feel the same way about the current staff in a few years.

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I'm still laughing at the idea that Drango, Broxton, Muir and Hilliard were weak. Smh...what an idiot.

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Muir was an UFA and stuck with Atlanta on the practice squad in 2016.

Like most UFA players he bounced from SF to GB to Atlanta to the Colts in 2017 placed on Injured reserved, then cut before the season started by the Colts.

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Gosh, he must have been really weak!

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Some forget Coach Kaz was the strength coach at South Florida before Baylor, where he helped USF become the #2 ranked team in the county his last year. USF, number 2, nationally.

Kaz left USF for a downtrodden Baylor program, where he helped Baylor reach #1 nationally. Repeating the success from USF at Baylor wasn't luck.

SMU coaches are telling parkies they hired the top college strength coach in the county. I agree with them.

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We've never been ranked number 1. #3 was the highest. Just FYI

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When the Baylor football team takes the field Saturday against West Virginia, it will do so in a way the Bears never have before as the No. 2 team in the nation.
In both major polls released this week (the AP and Coaches Poll), head coach Art Briles' squad is ranked No. 2 the highest ranking in the program's 113-year history. The Bears had previously reached No. 3 in the rankings twice, in 1953 and 2013.
More than 20% of the Associated Press writers who voted in the AP poll put the Bears at No. 1 on their ballots, as Baylor received 13 first-place votes believed to be the most in program history.
What has propelled the Bears to such record heights? Well, there's the offense, of course, which again leads the nation in both points per game and yards per game (after having paced the country in both categories in 2013 and 2014, too). Baylor is the only program to be among the nation's top 10 in both passing (8th) and rushing (2nd) yards per game. Quarterback Seth Russell leads the country in five categories, including passing efficiency and passing touchdowns, while wide receiver Corey Coleman tops the nation in touchdown catches (13 one shy of the Baylor single-season record) and scoring, and ranks 4th in receiving yards per game.

Oct. 13, 2015