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Waco1947
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What is it about Rhule that attracts these guys to Baylor and Texas?
To me they dropped out of the sky in our lap. I don't think it's an accident. Hurd was headed to California for an interview but stopped here on a whim and said "Hey, I'll sign here."
What's the attraction? I'm thinking Rhule.
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Isn't Brewer from Austin? I know Austin is Liberal as Hell but I still consider it a part of Texas.
"It it ain't broke, get a bigger hammer!"
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Loaded4Bear said:

Isn't Brewer from Austin? I know Austin is Liberal as Hell but I still consider it a part of Texas.

Yes but he still called out of the blue. That's his commonality with the others.
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Waco1947 said:

Loaded4Bear said:

Isn't Brewer from Austin? I know Austin is Liberal as Hell but I still consider it a part of Texas.

Yes but he still called out of the blue. That's his commonality with the others.
I think he had a SMU offer so BU was a big upgrade.

Lovett was an East coast guy, like Rhule.

The other two wanted a fresh start, where better to get one than a rebuilding program. Rhule is a great salesman too.

Don't forget James Lockhart from aTm another guy needing a reset. Lot's of talent in that group.
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I don't know if this team is as talented as the 2015 roster, but it's the most talent we've had since 2015.

And that's including had 2016 been full strength with that hyped but bust recruitment class intact.
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Coach Deleone coached Doug Marrone, the Jacksonville Head Coach at Syracuse. Jakes Dad
played pro ball with him and have remain friends.
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Forest Bueller said:

Waco1947 said:

Loaded4Bear said:

Isn't Brewer from Austin? I know Austin is Liberal as Hell but I still consider it a part of Texas.

Yes but he still called out of the blue. That's his commonality with the others.
I think he had a SMU offer so BU was a big upgrade.

Lovett was an East coast guy, like Rhule.

The other two wanted a fresh start, where better to get one than a rebuilding program. Rhule is a great salesman too.

Don't forget James Lockhart from aTm another guy needing a reset. Lot's of talent in that group.
Baylor rebuilding or Rhule or Both? I think Rhule has some way of connecting. Brewer is a mystery unless he knew Chad Morris was too hot a commodity as a coach and he might start right away. To hear Rhule tell it Brewer called them. I think
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Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller said:

Waco1947 said:

Loaded4Bear said:

Isn't Brewer from Austin? I know Austin is Liberal as Hell but I still consider it a part of Texas.

Yes but he still called out of the blue. That's his commonality with the others.
I think he had a SMU offer so BU was a big upgrade.

Lovett was an East coast guy, like Rhule.

The other two wanted a fresh start, where better to get one than a rebuilding program. Rhule is a great salesman too.

Don't forget James Lockhart from aTm another guy needing a reset. Lot's of talent in that group.
Baylor rebuilding or Rhule or Both? I think Rhule has some way of connecting. Brewer is a mystery unless he knew Chad Morris was too hot a commodity as a coach and he might start right away. To hear Rhule tell it Brewer called them. I think
Rhule is an exciting recruiter/ had a P5 card Morris did not.
Texasjeremy
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Baylor was Charlie Brewer's only P5 offer.
Dia del DougO
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These guys were in junior high when Baylor was emerging as a Big 12 contender and an exciting team with a high-flying offense. They were teenagers when Baylor was winning Heismans and winning conference championships. McLane Stadium is pretty awesome, facilities are quite nice. Waco is close to a lot of Texas players homes. Rhule talks a good game

Put it on paper.
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Sampi82
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Rhule's NFL ties and the same for some of his coaching staff may have something to do with it as well.
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Texasjeremy said:

Baylor was Charlie Brewer's only P5 offer.
He actually had a WVU offer as well. Holg offered around the time Charlie committed to Baylor.
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Colt B. said:

Texasjeremy said:

Baylor was Charlie Brewer's only P5 offer.
He actually had a WVU offer as well. Holg offered around the time Charlie committed to Baylor.

Didn't he have a fresh offer from Arky since Chad Morris accepted the HC job there?
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Texasjeremy said:

Baylor was Charlie Brewer's only P5 offer.
The next Baker, just wait and see.
Play making that is, not his attitude.
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MilliVanilli said:

Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller said:

Waco1947 said:

Loaded4Bear said:

Isn't Brewer from Austin? I know Austin is Liberal as Hell but I still consider it a part of Texas.

Yes but he still called out of the blue. That's his commonality with the others.
I think he had a SMU offer so BU was a big upgrade.

Lovett was an East coast guy, like Rhule.

The other two wanted a fresh start, where better to get one than a rebuilding program. Rhule is a great salesman too.

Don't forget James Lockhart from aTm another guy needing a reset. Lot's of talent in that group.
Baylor rebuilding or Rhule or Both? I think Rhule has some way of connecting. Brewer is a mystery unless he knew Chad Morris was too hot a commodity as a coach and he might start right away. To hear Rhule tell it Brewer called them. I think
Rhule is an exciting recruiter/ had a P5 card Morris did not.
If Rhule is such an exciting recruiter, why are we ranked in the 40s and TX A&M ranked near the top. I guess when this staff doesn't have immediate playing time to offer, the recruiting kind of drops off.
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Rhule is a great talker.... any one that has heard him speak knows that. The question is can he coach 1/2 as good as he can talk.... and so far the results have not been satisfactory
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YoakDaddy said:

Colt B. said:

Texasjeremy said:

Baylor was Charlie Brewer's only P5 offer.
He actually had a WVU offer as well. Holg offered around the time Charlie committed to Baylor.

Didn't he have a fresh offer from Arky since Chad Morris accepted the HC job there?


Morris was hired by Arkansas a year after Brewer signed with Baylor
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DustyM said:

MilliVanilli said:

Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller said:

Waco1947 said:

Loaded4Bear said:

Isn't Brewer from Austin? I know Austin is Liberal as Hell but I still consider it a part of Texas.

Yes but he still called out of the blue. That's his commonality with the others.
I think he had a SMU offer so BU was a big upgrade.

Lovett was an East coast guy, like Rhule.

The other two wanted a fresh start, where better to get one than a rebuilding program. Rhule is a great salesman too.

Don't forget James Lockhart from aTm another guy needing a reset. Lot's of talent in that group.
Baylor rebuilding or Rhule or Both? I think Rhule has some way of connecting. Brewer is a mystery unless he knew Chad Morris was too hot a commodity as a coach and he might start right away. To hear Rhule tell it Brewer called them. I think
Rhule is an exciting recruiter/ had a P5 card Morris did not.
If Rhule is such an exciting recruiter, why are we ranked in the 40s and TX A&M ranked near the top. I guess when this staff doesn't have immediate playing time to offer, the recruiting kind of drops off.


First, comparing Baylor recruiting to Texas A&M isn't a great route to take. They have and will always recruit better than Baylor, very similarly to Texas.

Second, Baylor's recruiting has been very steady under Rhule. The 2019 class is full of prospects that are wanted by several other major programs.

2017 - 40th nationally
2018 - 31st
2019 - 38th



DustyM
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Colt B. said:

DustyM said:

MilliVanilli said:

Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller said:

Waco1947 said:

Loaded4Bear said:

Isn't Brewer from Austin? I know Austin is Liberal as Hell but I still consider it a part of Texas.

Yes but he still called out of the blue. That's his commonality with the others.
I think he had a SMU offer so BU was a big upgrade.

Lovett was an East coast guy, like Rhule.

The other two wanted a fresh start, where better to get one than a rebuilding program. Rhule is a great salesman too.

Don't forget James Lockhart from aTm another guy needing a reset. Lot's of talent in that group.
Baylor rebuilding or Rhule or Both? I think Rhule has some way of connecting. Brewer is a mystery unless he knew Chad Morris was too hot a commodity as a coach and he might start right away. To hear Rhule tell it Brewer called them. I think
Rhule is an exciting recruiter/ had a P5 card Morris did not.
If Rhule is such an exciting recruiter, why are we ranked in the 40s and TX A&M ranked near the top. I guess when this staff doesn't have immediate playing time to offer, the recruiting kind of drops off.


First, comparing Baylor recruiting to Texas A&M isn't a great route to take. They have and will always recruit better than Baylor, very similarly to Texas.

Second, Baylor's recruiting has been very steady under Rhule. The 2019 class is full of prospects that are wanted by several other major programs.

2017 - 40th nationally
2018 - 31st
2019 - 38th



Sir, I think you just made my case. As for A&M, I have to ask why you think they should recruit better than Baylor.
BEARLINEPLAY
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Recruiting will only get better the more juniors and seniors Baylor puts in the NFL
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YoakDaddy said:

Colt B. said:

Texasjeremy said:

Baylor was Charlie Brewer's only P5 offer.
He actually had a WVU offer as well. Holg offered around the time Charlie committed to Baylor.

Didn't he have a fresh offer from Arky since Chad Morris accepted the HC job there?
No, that was Bohannon.
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DustyM said:

Colt B. said:

DustyM said:

MilliVanilli said:

Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller said:

Waco1947 said:

Loaded4Bear said:

Isn't Brewer from Austin? I know Austin is Liberal as Hell but I still consider it a part of Texas.

Yes but he still called out of the blue. That's his commonality with the others.
I think he had a SMU offer so BU was a big upgrade.

Lovett was an East coast guy, like Rhule.

The other two wanted a fresh start, where better to get one than a rebuilding program. Rhule is a great salesman too.

Don't forget James Lockhart from aTm another guy needing a reset. Lot's of talent in that group.
Baylor rebuilding or Rhule or Both? I think Rhule has some way of connecting. Brewer is a mystery unless he knew Chad Morris was too hot a commodity as a coach and he might start right away. To hear Rhule tell it Brewer called them. I think
Rhule is an exciting recruiter/ had a P5 card Morris did not.
If Rhule is such an exciting recruiter, why are we ranked in the 40s and TX A&M ranked near the top. I guess when this staff doesn't have immediate playing time to offer, the recruiting kind of drops off.


First, comparing Baylor recruiting to Texas A&M isn't a great route to take. They have and will always recruit better than Baylor, very similarly to Texas.

Second, Baylor's recruiting has been very steady under Rhule. The 2019 class is full of prospects that are wanted by several other major programs.

2017 - 40th nationally
2018 - 31st
2019 - 38th



Sir, I think you just made my case. As for A&M, I have to ask why you think they should recruit better than Baylor.

Well, to begin with I can think of $100mil reasons along with National credibility, THOUSANDS of sheep loving, overall wearing, inbred loyal Gumps not to mention the SEC. A state school versus a small private school.

Baylor has a fledgling guy who had TWO years of "success" at a no name college. You can take about three years out of the last 60+ that could be considered as ANY NATIONAL credibility. Plus, the national dumpster fire that is still smoking.

It's not fair to compare the two schools presently... or maybe ever. And I HATE that or anything aggy.
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DustyM said:

MilliVanilli said:

Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller said:

Waco1947 said:

Loaded4Bear said:

Isn't Brewer from Austin? I know Austin is Liberal as Hell but I still consider it a part of Texas.

Yes but he still called out of the blue. That's his commonality with the others.
I think he had a SMU offer so BU was a big upgrade.

Lovett was an East coast guy, like Rhule.

The other two wanted a fresh start, where better to get one than a rebuilding program. Rhule is a great salesman too.

Don't forget James Lockhart from aTm another guy needing a reset. Lot's of talent in that group.
Baylor rebuilding or Rhule or Both? I think Rhule has some way of connecting. Brewer is a mystery unless he knew Chad Morris was too hot a commodity as a coach and he might start right away. To hear Rhule tell it Brewer called them. I think
Rhule is an exciting recruiter/ had a P5 card Morris did not.
If Rhule is such an exciting recruiter, why are we ranked in the 40s and TX A&M ranked near the top. I guess when this staff doesn't have immediate playing time to offer, the recruiting kind of drops off.
Lulz, star chasing and argumentative do not an arguement make.

Rhule has done phenomenally well on the recruitment trail, as well as Briles, and he's recruited exceptional transfer talent to boot.
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Seriously? SEC! As hard as this is to believe and hard for me to understand, lots and lots of kids live to go to A&M.
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D. C. Bear said:

YoakDaddy said:

Colt B. said:

Texasjeremy said:

Baylor was Charlie Brewer's only P5 offer.
He actually had a WVU offer as well. Holg offered around the time Charlie committed to Baylor.

Didn't he have a fresh offer from Arky since Chad Morris accepted the HC job there?
No, that was Bohannon.

That's right. Thanks for the clarification.
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DustyM said:

MilliVanilli said:

Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller said:

Waco1947 said:

Loaded4Bear said:

Isn't Brewer from Austin? I know Austin is Liberal as Hell but I still consider it a part of Texas.

Yes but he still called out of the blue. That's his commonality with the others.
I think he had a SMU offer so BU was a big upgrade.

Lovett was an East coast guy, like Rhule.

The other two wanted a fresh start, where better to get one than a rebuilding program. Rhule is a great salesman too.

Don't forget James Lockhart from aTm another guy needing a reset. Lot's of talent in that group.
Baylor rebuilding or Rhule or Both? I think Rhule has some way of connecting. Brewer is a mystery unless he knew Chad Morris was too hot a commodity as a coach and he might start right away. To hear Rhule tell it Brewer called them. I think
Rhule is an exciting recruiter/ had a P5 card Morris did not.
If Rhule is such an exciting recruiter, why are we ranked in the 40s and TX A&M ranked near the top. I guess when this staff doesn't have immediate playing time to offer, the recruiting kind of drops off.
Unfortunately, we live a world of high anxiety and quick fixes.
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Many times its about Jacks and Joe's, not Xs and Os!!

Recruit- Recruit- Recruit!!!!!!!!!!!

Alert: " THE BROWNS FIRED BELICHICK"
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BBWCBear said:

DustyM said:

Colt B. said:

DustyM said:

MilliVanilli said:

Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller said:

Waco1947 said:

Loaded4Bear said:

Isn't Brewer from Austin? I know Austin is Liberal as Hell but I still consider it a part of Texas.

Yes but he still called out of the blue. That's his commonality with the others.
I think he had a SMU offer so BU was a big upgrade.

Lovett was an East coast guy, like Rhule.

The other two wanted a fresh start, where better to get one than a rebuilding program. Rhule is a great salesman too.

Don't forget James Lockhart from aTm another guy needing a reset. Lot's of talent in that group.
Baylor rebuilding or Rhule or Both? I think Rhule has some way of connecting. Brewer is a mystery unless he knew Chad Morris was too hot a commodity as a coach and he might start right away. To hear Rhule tell it Brewer called them. I think
Rhule is an exciting recruiter/ had a P5 card Morris did not.
If Rhule is such an exciting recruiter, why are we ranked in the 40s and TX A&M ranked near the top. I guess when this staff doesn't have immediate playing time to offer, the recruiting kind of drops off.


First, comparing Baylor recruiting to Texas A&M isn't a great route to take. They have and will always recruit better than Baylor, very similarly to Texas.

Second, Baylor's recruiting has been very steady under Rhule. The 2019 class is full of prospects that are wanted by several other major programs.

2017 - 40th nationally
2018 - 31st
2019 - 38th



Sir, I think you just made my case. As for A&M, I have to ask why you think they should recruit better than Baylor.

Well, to begin with I can think of $100mil reasons along with National credibility, THOUSANDS of sheep loving, overall wearing, inbred loyal Gumps not to mention the SEC. A state school versus a small private school.

Baylor has a fledgling guy who had TWO years of "success" at a no name college. You can take about three years out of the last 60+ that could be considered as ANY NATIONAL credibility. Plus, the national dumpster fire that is still smoking.

It's not fair to compare the two schools presently... or maybe ever. And I HATE that or anything aggy.
Sorry, but I disagree. Baylor has great facilities, a good education and has two recent conference championships. Being a state school, then why doesn't TX Tech do as well. Sorry, I just disagree.
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MilliVanilli said:

DustyM said:

MilliVanilli said:

Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller said:

Waco1947 said:

Loaded4Bear said:

Isn't Brewer from Austin? I know Austin is Liberal as Hell but I still consider it a part of Texas.

Yes but he still called out of the blue. That's his commonality with the others.
I think he had a SMU offer so BU was a big upgrade.

Lovett was an East coast guy, like Rhule.

The other two wanted a fresh start, where better to get one than a rebuilding program. Rhule is a great salesman too.

Don't forget James Lockhart from aTm another guy needing a reset. Lot's of talent in that group.
Baylor rebuilding or Rhule or Both? I think Rhule has some way of connecting. Brewer is a mystery unless he knew Chad Morris was too hot a commodity as a coach and he might start right away. To hear Rhule tell it Brewer called them. I think
Rhule is an exciting recruiter/ had a P5 card Morris did not.
If Rhule is such an exciting recruiter, why are we ranked in the 40s and TX A&M ranked near the top. I guess when this staff doesn't have immediate playing time to offer, the recruiting kind of drops off.
Lulz, star chasing and argumentative do not an arguement make.

Rhule has done phenomenally well on the recruitment trail, as well as Briles, and he's recruited exceptional transfer talent to boot.
Your point is not made comparing Rhule to Briles. Two different coaches, two different times and situations. Baylor has two recent conference championships, a Heisman trophy winner, new facilities, including a new stadium, we are centrally located and we provide a good education. Then why are we behind, TCU, UT and OU. Since most of you did not like my comparison to TX A&M, then why the others.
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DustyM said:

MilliVanilli said:

DustyM said:

MilliVanilli said:

Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller said:

Waco1947 said:

Loaded4Bear said:

Isn't Brewer from Austin? I know Austin is Liberal as Hell but I still consider it a part of Texas.

Yes but he still called out of the blue. That's his commonality with the others.
I think he had a SMU offer so BU was a big upgrade.

Lovett was an East coast guy, like Rhule.

The other two wanted a fresh start, where better to get one than a rebuilding program. Rhule is a great salesman too.

Don't forget James Lockhart from aTm another guy needing a reset. Lot's of talent in that group.
Baylor rebuilding or Rhule or Both? I think Rhule has some way of connecting. Brewer is a mystery unless he knew Chad Morris was too hot a commodity as a coach and he might start right away. To hear Rhule tell it Brewer called them. I think
Rhule is an exciting recruiter/ had a P5 card Morris did not.
If Rhule is such an exciting recruiter, why are we ranked in the 40s and TX A&M ranked near the top. I guess when this staff doesn't have immediate playing time to offer, the recruiting kind of drops off.
Lulz, star chasing and argumentative do not an arguement make.

Rhule has done phenomenally well on the recruitment trail, as well as Briles, and he's recruited exceptional transfer talent to boot.
Your point is not made comparing Rhule to Briles. Two different coaches, two different times and situations. Baylor has two recent conference championships, a Heisman trophy winner, new facilities, including a new stadium, we are centrally located and we provide a good education. Then why are we behind, TCU, UT and OU. Since most of you did not like my comparison to TX A&M, then why the others.


You are asking why we are not recruiting at a higher level than UT and OU? Seriously?
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Your point is not made comparing Rhule to Briles. Two different coaches, two different times and situations. Baylor has two recent conference championships, a Heisman trophy winner, new facilities, including a new stadium, we are centrally located and we provide a good education. Then why are we behind, TCU, UT and OU. Since most of you did not like my comparison to TX A&M, then why the others.




You are asking why we are not recruiting at a higher level than UT and OU? Seriously?

That is a loser's mentality. The proper question is why we have not outrecruited Bama yet? The fact that Rhule has been here for 1.5 years and hasn't surpassed Saban yet is absurd. This will not stand.
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Recruiting rantings are fun, but not tremendously meaningful. Especially after several players leave your nicely rated class only a year or two after they were signed.

I'd like to see updated ratings based on that classes second year, third year, and on, before you see what they actually turned out to be in the end.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
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DustyM said:

MilliVanilli said:

DustyM said:

MilliVanilli said:

Waco1947 said:

Forest Bueller said:

Waco1947 said:

Loaded4Bear said:

Isn't Brewer from Austin? I know Austin is Liberal as Hell but I still consider it a part of Texas.

Yes but he still called out of the blue. That's his commonality with the others.
I think he had a SMU offer so BU was a big upgrade.

Lovett was an East coast guy, like Rhule.

The other two wanted a fresh start, where better to get one than a rebuilding program. Rhule is a great salesman too.

Don't forget James Lockhart from aTm another guy needing a reset. Lot's of talent in that group.
Baylor rebuilding or Rhule or Both? I think Rhule has some way of connecting. Brewer is a mystery unless he knew Chad Morris was too hot a commodity as a coach and he might start right away. To hear Rhule tell it Brewer called them. I think
Rhule is an exciting recruiter/ had a P5 card Morris did not.
If Rhule is such an exciting recruiter, why are we ranked in the 40s and TX A&M ranked near the top. I guess when this staff doesn't have immediate playing time to offer, the recruiting kind of drops off.
Lulz, star chasing and argumentative do not an arguement make.

Rhule has done phenomenally well on the recruitment trail, as well as Briles, and he's recruited exceptional transfer talent to boot.
Your point is not made comparing Rhule to Briles. Two different coaches, two different times and situations. Baylor has two recent conference championships, a Heisman trophy winner, new facilities, including a new stadium, we are centrally located and we provide a good education. Then why are we behind, TCU, UT and OU. Since most of you did not like my comparison to TX A&M, then why the others.
Baylor was made a pariah in 2016 and Rhule came in in a calendar month and pulled together a respectable class with zero preparation and with only a single recruit committed before he stepped on campus.

He's done gangbusters given the circumstances.

Players play for a coach, not a school unless it has blue blood status or in Aggy's case cult status...and Aggy finally has a coach who has a natty on his resume to boot.

Baylor was appealing because kids played for Briles and Baylor will be appealing now because kids choose to play for Rhule.

Likewise TCU football IS Gary Patterson, nothing else gets kids there.

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Dia del DougO said:

Recruiting rantings are fun, but not tremendously meaningful. Especially after several players leave your nicely rated class only a year or two after they were signed.

I'd like to see updated ratings based on that classes second year, third year, and on, before you see what they actually turned out to be in the end.
Just because Texas A&M underperforms their rankings by a whole lot on a regular basis do not mean recruiting rankings are not meaningful. They are very meaningful. Unless you're getting unusual attrition (see Baylor, 2016) reranking of the classes isn't that important since everyone has a level of attrition. How you recruit is the single most important thing in a successful program. If you don't have good recruiting, no amount of coaching or hard work will overcome that.

The fact that Baylor is recruiting at about the level of TCU after the Bears went 1-11 is a testament to just how good Matt Rhule and staff are a the recruiting process. When the Bears start winning, that will see a bit of an uptick.
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D. C. Bear said:

Dia del DougO said:

Recruiting rantings are fun, but not tremendously meaningful. Especially after several players leave your nicely rated class only a year or two after they were signed.

I'd like to see updated ratings based on that classes second year, third year, and on, before you see what they actually turned out to be in the end.
Just because Texas A&M underperforms their rankings by a whole lot on a regular basis do not mean recruiting rankings are not meaningful. They are very meaningful. Unless you're getting unusual attrition (see Baylor, 2016) reranking of the classes isn't that important since everyone has a level of attrition. How you recruit is the single most important thing in a successful program. If you don't have good recruiting, no amount of coaching or hard work will overcome that.

The fact that Baylor is recruiting at about the level of TCU after the Bears went 1-11 is a testament to just how good Matt Rhule and staff are a the recruiting process. When the Bears start winning, that will see a bit of an uptick.
What a coaching staff does with the class once they're on campus is just as important as getting them there, if not more important. Patterson at TCU has a history of coaching up 2- and 3-star guys and turning them into very good players, especially on defense. He has also had success moving players from their high school position to a new position in college and making them strong contributors. I hope Rhule and Co. can do the same.
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