Thanks for the clarification - I wasn't sure as you can tell from my post

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Cotton: Only one without specific tie ins so they get the highest ranked AAC, MWC, Sun Belt, MAC, or CUSA champ. They will pair them with a very highly ranked at-large. Not sure if they have to take the highest ranking available or if they can have any leeway.

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In years when the playoffs are not in the Peach and Fiesta what other bowls gets screwed in those years like the Cotton? I'd bet the Rose Bowl never is required to host an AAC, MWC, Sun Belt, MAC or CUSA team.

Is the Sugar always protected by Big12 vs SEC? How about the Orange Bowl?

My guess is Alamo against USC.

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S11,

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Cotton: Only one without specific tie ins so they get the highest ranked AAC, MWC, Sun Belt, MAC, or CUSA champ. They will pair them with a very highly ranked at-large. Not sure if they have to take the highest ranking available or if they can have any leeway.

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In years when the playoffs are not in the Peach and Fiesta what other bowls gets screwed in those years like the Cotton? I'd bet the Rose Bowl never is required to host an AAC, MWC, Sun Belt, MAC or CUSA team.

Is the Sugar always protected by Big12 vs SEC? How about the Orange Bowl?

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Rose, Sugar, and Orange are contracted with conferences to fill spots. Rose is B1G Vs PAC, Sugar is B12 Vs SEC, and Orange is ACC Vs Best available out of B1G/SEC/ND.

Fiesta, Peach, and Cotton are not contracted with anyone.

The best G5 champ will always be in the Cotton, Fiesta, or Peach bowl.

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The CFP for screwed up the first year when Rose and Sugar demanded to be the first 2 semifinals. Followed by Orange/Cotton, then Fiesta/Peah. So every three years you get one year with 5 "open" slots, one year with 3 open slots, and one year with only 1 open slot (2019). Logic and common sense would have dictated that each year you had one semi from a contracted bowl and one from an open bowl so that there was always 3 open slots, but as with everything else connected with the CFP, politics won out over logic.

So this year it is likely you could have an 11 win Baylor and 10 win Minnesota, Wisconsin, PennSt, Notre Dame, or Florida relegated to lesser bowls while an 8-4 Virginia goes to the Orange.

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S11,

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Cotton: Only one without specific tie ins so they get the highest ranked AAC, MWC, Sun Belt, MAC, or CUSA champ. They will pair them with a very highly ranked at-large. Not sure if they have to take the highest ranking available or if they can have any leeway.

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In years when the playoffs are not in the Peach and Fiesta what other bowls gets screwed in those years like the Cotton? I'd bet the Rose Bowl never is required to host an AAC, MWC, Sun Belt, MAC or CUSA team.

Is the Sugar always protected by Big12 vs SEC? How about the Orange Bowl?

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The Cotton Bowl got screwed because they waited too long to move indoors. Other indoor and warm weather locations took the premium BCS spots and literally left the Cotton out into the cold, and dropped down in the hierarchy. Cotton went from being one of the big 4 to being a second tier bowl. It took them a while to work their way back into the playoff picture, but in years they aren't hosting playoffs the matchups are often disappointing.

NY6 bowls that have been stuck with the G5 participant:

2014 Fiesta: #21 BoiseSt over #12 Arizona
2015 Peach: #14 Houston over #11 FlaSt
2016 Cotton: #8 Wisconsin over #12 Western Michigan
2017 Peach: #10 UCF over Auburn
2018 Fiesta: #11 LSU over #7 UCF

Largest crowd for a Cotton Bowl since it moved to AT&T Stadium was 87,025 for Aggy/OU in 2012.
Attendance at Cotton Bowl in 2016: 59.615

Probably has something to do with the fact that neither team has a natural fan base anywhere in or near Texas. Not everyone can travel out of state for a bowl game.

If OU wins out, and the championship, the NCAA won't allow the B12 to be shut out of the playoffs........and a (potential) Heisman finalist in Jalen Hurts. Just too must of a NCAA PR/Advertising opportunity would be wasted. And they won't allow that.

The "committee" will find a way.......

Sic'em.

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If OU wins out, and the championship, the NCAA won't allow the B12 to be shut out of the playoffs........and a (potential) Heisman finalist in Jalen Hurts. Just too must of a NCAA PR/Advertising opportunity would be wasted. And they won't allow that.

The "committee" will find a way.......

Sic'em.

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Nope. Not going to happen and Burrow has the Heisman. It's his to lose.

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Chaos can happen.

Big 12 fans should be big fans of the Arizona schools this weekend.

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I would love to see that....but man both Arizona schools have been trash lately. Az has lost 5 in a row and ASU has lost 4 in a row. Maybe that just means they are due.

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If OU wins out, and the championship, the NCAA won't allow the B12 to be shut out of the playoffs........and a (potential) Heisman finalist in Jalen Hurts. Just too must of a NCAA PR/Advertising opportunity would be wasted. And they won't allow that.

The "committee" will find a way.......

Sic'em.

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Nope. Not going to happen and Burrow has the Heisman. It's his to lose.

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His too lose but doesn't mean Hurts won't be a finalist in New York

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Is the winner of Big12 CCG automatically sent to the Sugar Bowl (assuming no CFP bid)?

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Yes. Since it is not a CFP bowl this year, it is automatically Big 12 vs. SEC. OU is likely out of the playoff, IMO. So, the Big 12 championship game is basically a Sugar Bowl semifinal, for the right to play either Bama or Georgia.

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Utah and Oregon on the road this week against the Arizona schools. One of them gets upset, but then beats the other in the PAC 12 CCG.

PSU loses to tOSU on Nov. 23

Wisconsin beats Minnesota or tOSU beats Minnesota.

Auburn beats a Tua-less Bama.

LSU thrashes UGA in the SEC CCG.

BU beats OU in the BIg 12 CCG 34-31 with a stirring second-half comeback.

13-0 LSU, 13-0 tOSU, 13-0 Clemson and ?

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I need some love for this post from three weeks ago.

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Cotton isn't a Big12 Bowl. It's an open NY6. So if OU doesn't make CFP and gets Sugar, Cotton could choose between us, 4th or 5th place SEC, 3rd place B1G or runner up Pac12 if winner doesn't make CFP.

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That makes sense. But I would expect them to choose #2 Big 12 which is better than any of the other options.

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They would choose the team that would travel to Jerry World best, which we'd have a good chance at. Thankfully, Wisconsin is slotted for the Rose Bowl. They would bring the whole dang state to the Cotton Bowl if they had the chance. They invaded Dallas for an opening season game a few years ago.

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whitetrash said:

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Cotton isn't a Big12 Bowl. It's an open NY6. So if OU doesn't make CFP and gets Sugar, Cotton could choose between us, 4th or 5th place SEC, 3rd place B1G or runner up Pac12 if winner doesn't make CFP.

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That makes sense. But I would expect them to choose #2 Big 12 which is better than any of the other options.

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They would choose the team that would travel to Jerry World best, which we'd have a good chance at. Thankfully, Wisconsin is slotted for the Rose Bowl. They would bring the whole dang state to the Cotton Bowl if they had the chance. They invaded Dallas for an opening season game a few years ago.

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Wisconsin played in the Cotton Bowl in 2016 the last time it was required to take the G5 champ. Announced attendance was 59,275.

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Memphis will lose to Cinncy

Bowls gonna bowl.

How could Oregon be in the playoffs with 2 losses? The committee cannot be that stupid & corrupt. Regardless of how anyone feels about the Big 12, Oklahoma is the ONLY choice for #4.

Any other consideration is just a foul wind.

Ahhh. I did not know that.

Well, now that door is closed to them--and to us.