Timbear said:

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Hey, Lib, Thee isn't smart enough to actually talk X's and O's. He can't critic plays, formations and coaching moves. He's great at middle school name calling, though. Sad., O wait , I can't remember, did Thee play football?

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It is critique.

Did you go to Baylor for a semester or two. I know you did not graduate.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Timbear said:

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Hey, Lib, Thee isn't smart enough to actually talk X's and O's. He can't critic plays, formations and coaching moves. He's great at middle school name calling, though. Sad., O wait , I can't remember, did Thee play football?

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and all he kept talking about
GLORY DAYS

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They called it SEASONS of glory, not glory days. First 10 win season back when only 11 games were played.

Hey look, there's no question that Thee played on, and was a big part of one of the best Baylor teams ever, and Teaff's best team. Baylor football, sadly, is still looking for that illusive New Years Day Bowl win in the modern era since 1970 .

zunooreo said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Timbear said:

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Hey, Lib, Thee isn't smart enough to actually talk X's and O's. He can't critic plays, formations and coaching moves. He's great at middle school name calling, though. Sad., O wait , I can't remember, did Thee play football?

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and all he kept talking about
GLORY DAYS

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Thee is nothing more than a crusty ex-jock antagonist that has never grown up out of his (self-proclaimed) college football glory days. He wants nothing more than for the bait here to argue with him. He has nothing else. I wish those that don't know, would stop propagating it/him by engaging him or re-quoting (") his crap and cluttering up my threads and S365 servers.

Sic'em

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I know it is hard to learn the TRUTH about how coaches fire themselves.

You and your Bubble Boys are nothing more than idol worshippers unable to cope with the sad realities of the scandal. When will you learn that when you treat somebody or something like an idol, you often get burned?

I talk about some of the Top 10 Baylor teams of all time reserving most of my praise for BU teams that I did not even play for. I was a slightly above average player who played on one of the GREAT Baylor teams. I am here to remind you all that there was great collateral damage done to Baylor, her students, her alumni and others.

We are in Day 1,641 since the implosion was finally halted yet some of you are blatantly devaluing and denigrating Coach Aranda's work to re-build the program. As one who spent 8 years as a player at both the college and professional level, I am here to give you a dose of reality.

As to my cluttering up threads................I'm nowhere near as bad as you make it sound. You can't handle the truth. You spent too much time in the Bubble.

19/17/4

hell of a rabbit hole

Robert Wilson said:

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Like any nasty family rumor-mill fight, you can follow Keyser Soze's message board tale of dastardly deeds, or you can just read the subsequent sworn deposition testimony of Baylor's BOR Chair, Ron Murff ...

"I can't say a specific (Title IX or SA reporting) rule Briles broke." - Ron Murff

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context moron

There is a Mountain of other stuff

Keyser Soze said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Like any nasty family rumor-mill fight, you can follow Keyser Soze's message board tale of dastardly deeds, or you can just read the subsequent sworn deposition testimony of Baylor's BOR Chair, Ron Murff ...

"I can't say a specific (Title IX or SA reporting) rule Briles broke." - Ron Murff

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context moron

There is a Mountain of other stuff

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You spent months telling us he violated sexual assault related reporting rules on the volleyball incident. How many pages did those threads go?

This whole thing was an elective procedure. Some patients are happy with the results. Some are not. It shall remain so.

Robert Wilson said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Like any nasty family rumor-mill fight, you can follow Keyser Soze's message board tale of dastardly deeds, or you can just read the subsequent sworn deposition testimony of Baylor's BOR Chair, Ron Murff ...

"I can't say a specific (Title IX or SA reporting) rule Briles broke." - Ron Murff

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context moron

There is a Mountain of other stuff

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You spent months telling us he violated sexual assault related reporting rules on the volleyball incident. How many pages did those threads go?

This whole thing was an elective procedure. Some patients are happy with the results. Some are not. It shall remain so.

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Many university employees have reporting responsibilities and if they learn of a reported sexual assault, they must share the report with the designated official on campus. In 2013, Athletic Department coaches and staff should have reported the incident to one of three places: the University's Title IX Coordinator (then the VP of Human Resources), Judicial Affairs, or the Baylor University Police Department, all of whom would have been in a position to assist the victim and take responsive action. While a victim may choose where or how to report a sexual assault, once informed of the report, athletics personnel may not exercise discretion to not report.

https://www.baylor.edu/thefacts/news.php?action=story&story=174834

Would sure like to see more than six seconds of a six hour deposition. We know Briles knew of this and it never got reported outside athletics. I know that was a Baylor rule, not sure if a T9 rule (no doubt it would violate the intent of T9)


So when I mention selling weed and academic fraud of Tevin Elliott you sure are quite as church mouse. Why?

Robert Wilson said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Like any nasty family rumor-mill fight, you can follow Keyser Soze's message board tale of dastardly deeds, or you can just read the subsequent sworn deposition testimony of Baylor's BOR Chair, Ron Murff ...

"I can't say a specific (Title IX or SA reporting) rule Briles broke." - Ron Murff

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context moron

There is a Mountain of other stuff

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You spent months telling us he violated sexual assault related reporting rules on the volleyball incident. How many pages did those threads go?

This whole thing was an elective procedure. Some patients are happy with the results. Some are not. It shall remain so.

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Many university employees have reporting responsibilities and if they learn of a reported sexual assault, they must share the report with the designated official on campus. In 2013, Athletic Department coaches and staff should have reported the incident to one of three places: the University's Title IX Coordinator (then the VP of Human Resources), Judicial Affairs, or the Baylor University Police Department, all of whom would have been in a position to assist the victim and take responsive action. While a victim may choose where or how to report a sexual assault, once informed of the report, athletics personnel may not exercise discretion to not report.

https://www.baylor.edu/thefacts/news.php?action=story&story=174834

Would sure like to see more than six seconds of a six hour deposition. We know Briles knew of this and it never got reported outside athletics. I know that was a Baylor rule, not sure if a T9 rule (no doubt it would violate the intent of T9)


So when I mention selling weed and academic fraud of Tevin Elliott you sure are quite as church mouse. Why?

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Keyser, are you going to address that the sworn deposition testimony of the BOR contradicts your bell cow incident that you threw at us for months and months?

Or are you just going to cut and paste some crap off a website?

And if we can't believe you on that one, why should we believe you on anything?

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bold. Can you provide the specific question being asked before that answer?

Why so quiet about academic fraud and selling weed?

you are quoting Mac ***** not the transcript. I think much like the "exoneration letter" people may be leaving off the "reported directly to you" which makes all the difference in the world.


Can you not walk and chew gum? What do you think about the weed selling and academic fraud.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Like any nasty family rumor-mill fight, you can follow Keyser Soze's message board tale of dastardly deeds, or you can just read the subsequent sworn deposition testimony of Baylor's BOR Chair, Ron Murff ...

"I can't say a specific (Title IX or SA reporting) rule Briles broke." - Ron Murff

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context moron

There is a Mountain of other stuff

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You spent months telling us he violated sexual assault related reporting rules on the volleyball incident. How many pages did those threads go?

This whole thing was an elective procedure. Some patients are happy with the results. Some are not. It shall remain so.

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Many university employees have reporting responsibilities and if they learn of a reported sexual assault, they must share the report with the designated official on campus. In 2013, Athletic Department coaches and staff should have reported the incident to one of three places: the University's Title IX Coordinator (then the VP of Human Resources), Judicial Affairs, or the Baylor University Police Department, all of whom would have been in a position to assist the victim and take responsive action. While a victim may choose where or how to report a sexual assault, once informed of the report, athletics personnel may not exercise discretion to not report.

https://www.baylor.edu/thefacts/news.php?action=story&story=174834

Would sure like to see more than six seconds of a six hour deposition. We know Briles knew of this and it never got reported outside athletics. I know that was a Baylor rule, not sure if a T9 rule (no doubt it would violate the intent of T9)


So when I mention selling weed and academic fraud of Tevin Elliott you sure are quite as church mouse. Why?

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911 What's your emergency?

I'd like to report an accident at the corner of 12th and Speight.

Thank you sir. That has already been reported.

Yes, I know. The guy next to me said he called it in already. I think he's the volleyball coach at the school down the street.

Okay. Can I ask why you are also reporting it when you knew it was called in.

Well the rules say I should dismiss common sense. I should also not follow the steps of the Baylor COO who reported nothing for years.

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So when I mention selling weed and academic fraud of Tevin Elliott you sure are quite as church mouse. Why?

Keyser Soze said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Like any nasty family rumor-mill fight, you can follow Keyser Soze's message board tale of dastardly deeds, or you can just read the subsequent sworn deposition testimony of Baylor's BOR Chair, Ron Murff ...

"I can't say a specific (Title IX or SA reporting) rule Briles broke." - Ron Murff

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context moron

There is a Mountain of other stuff

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You spent months telling us he violated sexual assault related reporting rules on the volleyball incident. How many pages did those threads go?

This whole thing was an elective procedure. Some patients are happy with the results. Some are not. It shall remain so.

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Many university employees have reporting responsibilities and if they learn of a reported sexual assault, they must share the report with the designated official on campus. In 2013, Athletic Department coaches and staff should have reported the incident to one of three places: the University's Title IX Coordinator (then the VP of Human Resources), Judicial Affairs, or the Baylor University Police Department, all of whom would have been in a position to assist the victim and take responsive action. While a victim may choose where or how to report a sexual assault, once informed of the report, athletics personnel may not exercise discretion to not report.

https://www.baylor.edu/thefacts/news.php?action=story&story=174834

Would sure like to see more than six seconds of a six hour deposition. We know Briles knew of this and it never got reported outside athletics. I know that was a Baylor rule, not sure if a T9 rule (no doubt it would violate the intent of T9)


So when I mention selling weed and academic fraud of Tevin Elliott you sure are quite as church mouse. Why?

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911 What's your emergency?

I'd like to report an accident at the corner of 12th and Speight.

Thank you sir. That has already been reported.

Yes, I know. The guy next to me said he called it in already. I think he's the volleyball coach at the school down the street.

Okay. Can I ask why you are also reporting it when you knew it was called in.

Well the rules say I should dismiss common sense. I should also not follow the steps of the Baylor COO who reported nothing for years.

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So when I mention selling weed and academic fraud of Tevin Elliott you sure are quite as church mouse. Why?

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I never said Briles was perfect. I would have just asked that he had been held to the same standard you boy Reagan was held to all along or Reagan was held to the standard Briles was.

Using two different standards is the problem.

Reagan, got to a slap on the wrist by comparison. Didn't you/he?

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Like any nasty family rumor-mill fight, you can follow Keyser Soze's message board tale of dastardly deeds, or you can just read the subsequent sworn deposition testimony of Baylor's BOR Chair, Ron Murff ...

"I can't say a specific (Title IX or SA reporting) rule Briles broke." - Ron Murff

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context moron

There is a Mountain of other stuff

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You spent months telling us he violated sexual assault related reporting rules on the volleyball incident. How many pages did those threads go?

This whole thing was an elective procedure. Some patients are happy with the results. Some are not. It shall remain so.

---

Many university employees have reporting responsibilities and if they learn of a reported sexual assault, they must share the report with the designated official on campus. In 2013, Athletic Department coaches and staff should have reported the incident to one of three places: the University's Title IX Coordinator (then the VP of Human Resources), Judicial Affairs, or the Baylor University Police Department, all of whom would have been in a position to assist the victim and take responsive action. While a victim may choose where or how to report a sexual assault, once informed of the report, athletics personnel may not exercise discretion to not report.

https://www.baylor.edu/thefacts/news.php?action=story&story=174834

Would sure like to see more than six seconds of a six hour deposition. We know Briles knew of this and it never got reported outside athletics. I know that was a Baylor rule, not sure if a T9 rule (no doubt it would violate the intent of T9)


So when I mention selling weed and academic fraud of Tevin Elliott you sure are quite as church mouse. Why?

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911 What's your emergency?

I'd like to report an accident at the corner of 12th and Speight.

Thank you sir. That has already been reported.

Yes, I know. The guy next to me said he called it in already. I think he's the volleyball coach at the school down the street.

Okay. Can I ask why you are also reporting it when you knew it was called in.

Well the rules say I should dismiss common sense. I should also not follow the steps of the Baylor COO who reported nothing for years.

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So when I mention selling weed and academic fraud of Tevin Elliott you sure are quite as church mouse. Why?

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I never said Briles was perfect. I would have just asked that he had been held to the same standard you boy Reagan was held to all along or Reagan was held to the standard Briles was.

Using two different standards is the problem.

Reagan, got to a slap on the wrist by comparison. Didn't you/he?

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My boy? Please stop. Pleased RR is gone. I do think RR is a boogeyman of the teams Briles camp.

I think one of the more informative quotes about this came from the regent Gray. Paraphrasing - everyone failed, those terminated were primarily those that were not forthcoming about past events with PH investigators.

Baylor's letter was neither an exoneration or misleading - only those those that struggle with the English language and grammar had a problem.

Love to see that transcript. Where is it? serious question

Keyser Soze said:

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Baylor's letter was neither an exoneration or misleading - only those those that struggle with the English language and grammar had a problem.

Love to see that transcript. Where is it? serious question

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Is that your new magic bean? Post us the transcript, Keyser. I bet it's got a lot of good stuff in it.

I'm fine with the Murff Q&A you already gave us.

Osodecentx said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Osodecentx said:

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I was interested in the Mount Vernon season. I'll start another thread.

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My apologies for the role I played in this pointless exercise.

Mount Vernon won a barn burner against West. The Trojans came from behind and almost pulled it out at the end, but Mount Vernon hung on. Great 3A playoff game.

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Keyser is cinque when it comes to Briles. He is paid to post

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No

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Like any nasty family rumor-mill fight, you can follow Keyser Soze's message board tale of dastardly deeds, or you can just read the subsequent sworn deposition testimony of Baylor's BOR Chair, Ron Murff ...

"I can't say a specific (Title IX or SA reporting) rule Briles broke." - Ron Murff

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context moron

There is a Mountain of other stuff

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You spent months telling us he violated sexual assault related reporting rules on the volleyball incident. How many pages did those threads go?

This whole thing was an elective procedure. Some patients are happy with the results. Some are not. It shall remain so.

---

Many university employees have reporting responsibilities and if they learn of a reported sexual assault, they must share the report with the designated official on campus. In 2013, Athletic Department coaches and staff should have reported the incident to one of three places: the University's Title IX Coordinator (then the VP of Human Resources), Judicial Affairs, or the Baylor University Police Department, all of whom would have been in a position to assist the victim and take responsive action. While a victim may choose where or how to report a sexual assault, once informed of the report, athletics personnel may not exercise discretion to not report.

https://www.baylor.edu/thefacts/news.php?action=story&story=174834

Would sure like to see more than six seconds of a six hour deposition. We know Briles knew of this and it never got reported outside athletics. I know that was a Baylor rule, not sure if a T9 rule (no doubt it would violate the intent of T9)


So when I mention selling weed and academic fraud of Tevin Elliott you sure are quite as church mouse. Why?

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911 What's your emergency?

I'd like to report an accident at the corner of 12th and Speight.

Thank you sir. That has already been reported.

• In a voluntary statement on June 2, 2016 and a sworn affidavit on June 24, 2016, the victim's head coach again detailed his actions after learning of the gang rape allegation. His account was consistent with the account he provided to Baylor in the spring of 2016. In neither of the statements, nor in his interview, did the head coach state that he reported the alleged assault to Judicial Affairs. To the contrary, he expressed his great disappointment and frustration that he could not do more to help the student-athlete despite bringing the report to the attention of his sports administrator, the head football coach, and the Athletic Director.

https://www.baylor.edu/thefacts/news.php?action=story&story=174834




Yes, I know. The guy next to me said he called it in already. I think he's the volleyball coach at the school down the street.

Okay. Can I ask why you are also reporting it when you knew it was called in.

Well the rules say I should dismiss common sense. I should also not follow the steps of the Baylor COO who reported nothing for years.

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How did I miss this? I don't hate Briles but I can't stand the false information constantly perpetuated by his loyal followers. That false information makes my school look bad (and they don't need your help for that). You no doubt believed what you wrote. I assume you had no idea that was blatantly wrong just like all the assistant coaches that tweeted this in the fall of 16.

Even Mac E repeated this in an article about a year ago. The article went live for about 24 hours. It was then taken down, edited to reflect not reported and republished.

So when the same Mac E is the source of new information I'm just a little skeptical. Not saying it is wrong, just prefer the original source (if someone would provide some links I would appreciate it)

Agree. Gave you a star

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Go Mount Vernon and Art Briles! Win a state championship!

Go Baylor and Coach Aranda! Win another game!

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I agree with all that, though I did have a soft spot for the West Trojans last week.

I don't think Mount Vernon has the horses to run the table, but this has been a very good season for them.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Like any nasty family rumor-mill fight, you can follow Keyser Soze's message board tale of dastardly deeds, or you can just read the subsequent sworn deposition testimony of Baylor's BOR Chair, Ron Murff ...

"I can't say a specific (Title IX or SA reporting) rule Briles broke." - Ron Murff

---

context moron

There is a Mountain of other stuff

---

You spent months telling us he violated sexual assault related reporting rules on the volleyball incident. How many pages did those threads go?

This whole thing was an elective procedure. Some patients are happy with the results. Some are not. It shall remain so.

---

Many university employees have reporting responsibilities and if they learn of a reported sexual assault, they must share the report with the designated official on campus. In 2013, Athletic Department coaches and staff should have reported the incident to one of three places: the University's Title IX Coordinator (then the VP of Human Resources), Judicial Affairs, or the Baylor University Police Department, all of whom would have been in a position to assist the victim and take responsive action. While a victim may choose where or how to report a sexual assault, once informed of the report, athletics personnel may not exercise discretion to not report.

https://www.baylor.edu/thefacts/news.php?action=story&story=174834

Would sure like to see more than six seconds of a six hour deposition. We know Briles knew of this and it never got reported outside athletics. I know that was a Baylor rule, not sure if a T9 rule (no doubt it would violate the intent of T9)


So when I mention selling weed and academic fraud of Tevin Elliott you sure are quite as church mouse. Why?

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911 What's your emergency?

I'd like to report an accident at the corner of 12th and Speight.

Thank you sir. That has already been reported.

• In a voluntary statement on June 2, 2016 and a sworn affidavit on June 24, 2016, the victim's head coach again detailed his actions after learning of the gang rape allegation. His account was consistent with the account he provided to Baylor in the spring of 2016. In neither of the statements, nor in his interview, did the head coach state that he reported the alleged assault to Judicial Affairs. To the contrary, he expressed his great disappointment and frustration that he could not do more to help the student-athlete despite bringing the report to the attention of his sports administrator, the head football coach, and the Athletic Director.

https://www.baylor.edu/thefacts/news.php?action=story&story=174834




Yes, I know. The guy next to me said he called it in already. I think he's the volleyball coach at the school down the street.

Okay. Can I ask why you are also reporting it when you knew it was called in.

Well the rules say I should dismiss common sense. I should also not follow the steps of the Baylor COO who reported nothing for years.

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How did I miss this? I don't hate Briles but I can't stand the false information constantly perpetuated by his loyal followers. That false information makes my school look bad (and they don't need your help for that). You no doubt believed what you wrote. I assume you had no idea that was blatantly wrong just like all the assistant coaches that tweeted this in the fall of 16.

Even Mac E repeated this in an article about a year ago. The article went live for about 24 hours. It was then taken down, edited to reflect not reported and republished.

So when the same Mac E is the source of new information I'm just a little skeptical. Not saying it is wrong, just prefer the original source (if someone would provide some links I would appreciate it)

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it was reported to the AD. This type Info is reported up the chain, not down.

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It was not reported outside athletics. There was an obligation to do that. We also know that Briles and the AD colluded not to inform the university on other issues (see text messages).

It is my understanding that assistant coach may report to the HC or AD and that satisfies their obligations. The HC and AD are obligated to make sure report goes outside Athletics.




A mature response to me would have been, "thanks, I didn't realize I had it wrong". You just moved on from spin cycle A to spin cycle B -