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Timbear said:
I thought 8-10 wins until our Spring Game. 6-6 with a Bowl win would be great in Grimes first year.
MrGolfguy said:
Making a bowl game should be the minimum expectation and there are 6 winnable games on the schedule (3 non-conf plus some combo of BYU, KU, Tech, KSU, Tcu). There is also a slim possibility BU snags an upset win over someone they're not supposed to beat (if that team also has an off-night).
zunooreo said:
Out the gate 2 - 0, wins over TxSt and TSU, and fans start to get all giddy thinking "we're baaaaack".
Then, pull off only 2 conference wins....with a man-handling by BYU blended into conference play.
Concerns over Aranda start to grow........
4 - 8 Overall
2 - 7 BigXII
zunooreo said:
Out the gate 2 - 0, wins over TxSt and TSU, and fans start to get all giddy thinking "we're baaaaack".
Then, pull off only 2 conference wins....with a man-handling by BYU blended into conference play.
Concerns over Aranda start to grow........
4 - 8 Overall
2 - 7 BigXII
Aberzombie1892 said:
Let's be realistic.
Using FPI, OU, ISU, OSU, UT, TCU, Tech, and WVU will likely all field teams that vary from good to great to excellent, and Baylor likely won't be at that level in substantial part due to (1) the third different offense in three seasons and (2) the loss of Charlie Brewer. This isn't to say that Baylor's defense won't keep a few of those games close or even pull an upset, but it is to say that the Big 12's more recent emphasis on defense limits the benefits of a Big 12 team fielding a good defense if that team doesn't also have a good offense - unlike how it was a few seasons ago in the conference.
That leaves Kansas State, Kansas, Texas State, Texas Southern, and BYU. Kansas State is probably a toss up, Kansas should lose but may not be an easy out, and a Baylor loss to BYU would be difficult to accept given what they lost in the offseason (#2 draft pick overall at QB and their offensive coordinator, among other things). Texas State and Texas Southern should be wins.
All things considered, anywhere between 4-8 and 6-6 is on the table, and, since 5-7 is in the middle, that's where I would set the target. Hitting above 6-6 seems extremely unlikely unless something unexpected occurs that either (1) dramatically improves the Baylor offense or (2) destroys any of the better teams on Baylor's schedule (i.e. scandal).
A couple of things.Ewalker80 said:Aberzombie1892 said:
Let's be realistic.
Using FPI, OU, ISU, OSU, UT, TCU, Tech, and WVU will likely all field teams that vary from good to great to excellent, and Baylor likely won't be at that level in substantial part due to (1) the third different offense in three seasons and (2) the loss of Charlie Brewer. This isn't to say that Baylor's defense won't keep a few of those games close or even pull an upset, but it is to say that the Big 12's more recent emphasis on defense limits the benefits of a Big 12 team fielding a good defense if that team doesn't also have a good offense - unlike how it was a few seasons ago in the conference.
That leaves Kansas State, Kansas, Texas State, Texas Southern, and BYU. Kansas State is probably a toss up, Kansas should lose but may not be an easy out, and a Baylor loss to BYU would be difficult to accept given what they lost in the offseason (#2 draft pick overall at QB and their offensive coordinator, among other things). Texas State and Texas Southern should be wins.
All things considered, anywhere between 4-8 and 6-6 is on the table, and, since 5-7 is in the middle, that's where I would set the target. Hitting above 6-6 seems extremely unlikely unless something unexpected occurs that either (1) dramatically improves the Baylor offense or (2) destroys any of the better teams on Baylor's schedule (i.e. scandal).
We should be favored against Texas Tech. Every other game except maybe ou and maybe maybe Iowa st should be "winnable" (say greater than 25 percent chance). We almost beat ou (on the road) and Iowa st last year without having a d1 offense. I think your outlook is way too pessimistic at this point. The combination of a bad fedora fit, a new offense, COVID, o line problems and Charlie problems was a train wreck last year but all signs point to improvement on offense and a top defense. That should make us competitive in almost every one of these games. Things are much better on the sunny side of life.
Aberzombie1892 said:
Let's be realistic.
Using FPI, OU, ISU, OSU, UT, TCU, Tech, and WVU will likely all field teams that vary from good to great to excellent, and Baylor likely won't be at that level in substantial part due to (1) the third different offense in three seasons and (2) the loss of Charlie Brewer. This isn't to say that Baylor's defense won't keep a few of those games close or even pull an upset, but it is to say that the Big 12's more recent emphasis on defense limits the benefits of a Big 12 team fielding a good defense if that team doesn't also have a good offense - unlike how it was a few seasons ago in the conference.
That leaves Kansas State, Kansas, Texas State, Texas Southern, and BYU. Kansas State is probably a toss up, Kansas should lose but may not be an easy out, and a Baylor loss to BYU would be difficult to accept given what they lost in the offseason (#2 draft pick overall at QB and their offensive coordinator, among other things). Texas State and Texas Southern should be wins.
All things considered, anywhere between 4-8 and 6-6 is on the table, and, since 5-7 is in the middle, that's where I would set the target. Hitting above 6-6 seems extremely unlikely unless something unexpected occurs that either (1) dramatically improves the Baylor offense or (2) destroys any of the better teams on Baylor's schedule (i.e. scandal).
DanaDane said:
Rhule did a lot, and I mean A LOT, of things right. But it is unfathomable how atrocious he and his staff were in evaluating and recruiting offensive linemen. We essentially have an offensive line that should be at FCS schools such as Sam Houston, where ironically one of his recruits is currently starting after transferring from here.
No doubt - Six wins and a bowl game should be the absolute floor for ANY $4M a year head coach nowadays....starting right out the gate in Year 1. Then, it should scale to 9 wins by their 4th year and never go backwards.Dia del DougO said:
Six wins should be the expectation floor for having some confidence in the staff. That's the two early 2 non-con plus 4 wins in conference, with five of those games being at home, and another game being at Kansas.
I don't like to put a hard limit on projecting things like that, but it's reasonable. If the coaching staff has a better handle in 2021 and things are headed in the right direction, 6 should be there even with some bad luck, barring extraordinary injury problems or the like.
Seven wins should be a good indication of solid improvement. Eight should be considered freakin' outstanding for how far they would have come. Anything more is strong conference coach of the year type stuff.
Timbear said:
Thank you , Zun for pulling back the curtain on the new Baylor creed that all coaches must adhere to. You are exactly right. It's no longer enough to be a Believer. You must say certain things, and act in certain ways.If you do, your employment is assured with or without successful seasons.
Wanna make a bet on Aranda and Collen?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
On the scale of 1-10, we are a 3. Pre-Briles Baylor Football. It is what it is. But the really good news is our new women's basketball coach loves and embraces her some Black Lives Matter. Aranda is screwed!