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Supposedly Texas and OU have reached out to the SEC about joining

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PartyBear
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Orange bloods is reporting Texas will give its notice to the XII as early as within a week. It really is time to scramble.
boognish_bear
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PartyBear said:

Orange bloods is reporting Texas will give its notice to the XII as early as within a week. It really is time to scramble.


Doesn't the SEC have to accept them first? I can't see that happening within a week.
PartyBear
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I'm assuming it's done. I assume this has all been quietly worked out over the past few weeks or less.
boognish_bear
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These comments from the A&M AD don't seem like this is something that has been in the works



Even so, Bjork said he will be "diligent in our approach to protect Texas A&M."

"We want to be the only SEC program in the state of Texas," Bjork said. "There's a reason why Texas A&M left the Big 12 -- to be standalone, to have our own identity."

Bjork said he and fellow SEC athletic directors had not discussed bringing Texas and Oklahoma into the conference. According to the SEC bylaws regarding conference membership, "a vote of at least three-fourths of the members is required to extend an invitation for membership," or in this case, 11 of the 14 schools.

One potential obstacle for such a move, at least any time soon, is that Oklahoma and Texas signed a Big 12 grant-of-rights agreement, in which they granted their first- and second-tier media rights for football and men's basketball to the conference through June 30, 2025. That means the Big 12 would still own those schools' media rights for those sports -- even if they are no longer members -- until the agreement expires.

The Big 12's TV contracts with ESPN and Fox also expire in 2025. The Longhorn Network's deal with ESPN goes through 2031.
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Bjork is playing the public role he has to play to keep his job. He needs the Aggie grad in Muleshoe to think that he stood his ground, while in the background Bjork is winking and nodding to Greg Sankey saying, "yeah, if it increases our budget $25 million, we're all in."
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PartyBear
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Lol it sounds like A&M is more upset about facing Texas annually again than the XII remnant are about their uncertain futures.
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PartyBear said:

Orange bloods is reporting Texas will give its notice to the XII as early as within a week. It really is time to scramble.


It's Orange bloods....

This is a shock to almost everyone. I doubt anything has been worked out.
IowaBear
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Mack needs to be on the phone with the ACc/P12 yesterday.. where there's smoke there's fire and if it doesn't happen this year it's happening soon and we're low on the pecking order
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PartyBear said:

Lol it sounds like A&M is more upset about facing Texas annually again than the XII remnant are about their uncertain futures.


Can't imagine what the meltdown over at Texags must be like right now
PartyBear
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Interestingly the Texas folks I have spoken with rank and file folks
, aren't thrilled about being in the SEC.
DanaDane
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Most of the SEC insiders have said before, and are saying now, if it goes to 16 it will be cut to 4 divisions of 4 each. The Bama insiders are saying something along the lines of:

1. OU
2. Texas
3. Aggie
4. Arkansas

1. Bama
2. Auburn
3. Ole Miss
4. Miss St.

1. Florida
2. Georgia
3. South Carolina
4. LSU

1. Tennessee
2. Kentucky
3. Vandy
4. Missouri
PartyBear
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Bear8084 said:

PartyBear said:

Orange bloods is reporting Texas will give its notice to the XII as early as within a week. It really is time to scramble.


It's Orange bloods....

This is a shock to almost everyone. I doubt anything has been worked out.


Well it's a shock to the public and the remaining 8. That is all that can really be said. I can't imagine how shocked OSU is.

I guess Mack is about to show whether he really is a big time AD or not. If he gets us into a P5, he will get a plumb job like Del Conte did.
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MT_Bear
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boognish_bear said:

These comments from the A&M AD don't seem like this is something that has been in the works



Even so, Bjork said he will be "diligent in our approach to protect Texas A&M."

"We want to be the only SEC program in the state of Texas," Bjork said. "There's a reason why Texas A&M left the Big 12 -- to be standalone, to have our own identity."

Bjork said he and fellow SEC athletic directors had not discussed bringing Texas and Oklahoma into the conference. According to the SEC bylaws regarding conference membership, "a vote of at least three-fourths of the members is required to extend an invitation for membership," or in this case, 11 of the 14 schools.

One potential obstacle for such a move, at least any time soon, is that Oklahoma and Texas signed a Big 12 grant-of-rights agreement, in which they granted their first- and second-tier media rights for football and men's basketball to the conference through June 30, 2025. That means the Big 12 would still own those schools' media rights for those sports -- even if they are no longer members -- until the agreement expires.

The Big 12's TV contracts with ESPN and Fox also expire in 2025. The Longhorn Network's deal with ESPN goes through 2031.
Disagree with your assessment. This has been in the works, quietly, for weeks. Today's was Aggy's last ditch effort to get the word out and try to stir up some roadblocks after finding they didn't have any SEC SEC SEC allies who would vote "not" with them.
Robert Wilson
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DanaDane said:




This will lead to an earlier divorce. No one wants a resentful, sexless marriage for that long.
SMack
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The legislature needs to cut UT and A&M off from the permanent university fund. It's clear those institutions no longer serve the interests of the state.

Those funds can be directed to the Tech, Texas State, UH, and UNT systems.

#DefundUT
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DanaDane
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That timetable allows them to exit at the end of 2022-23.
boognish_bear
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This all sucks. I like to try and stay optimistic, but not feeling great about our chances to find a P5 home.
Robert Wilson
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DanaDane said:

That timetable allows them to exit at the end of 2022-23.


This year should be it

In fact we should find a way to shove them out this year
DanaDane
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Amen!
RegentCoverup
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If this seems delusional and inept to anyone else, try and remember that these "leaders" are also the caretakers of our system of higher education.

I love my country, but I've long been convinced that it's corruption may be it's undoing.
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caesarscott said:

Losing ut and OU is an unmitigated disaster from which baylor sports cannot recover.
Drama queen makes her predictable appearance.
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"What should Baylor do?

If the Big 12 collapses, Baylor's immediate goal should be to land in a power conference.

Maybe the ACC would want to get Baylor and a Texas program. The Bears also provide a good academic institution, and if paired with Kansas, would make the ACC the greatest basketball conference ever.

The Bears will have issues landing in a power conference. I went to Baylor and literally wrote the first book on Baylor's national title in hoops, so I appreciate the strengths of the university. But in realignment, Baylor has drawbacks. The PAC-12 apparently didn't like Baylor's stance on some issues. Maybe those schools reject it again. The Big 10 might claim Baylor's not an AAU Univerisity (though Nebraska is not, and by any real ranking Baylor is a much better school than Nebraska). And the ACC might just sayas the others willthat the alumni base is too small and Texas is a weird geographic addition for those leagues.

Baylor should strive to get into one of the power conferences because the money and competition are far superior to the other options. It's a lot harder to rise from the American than the ACC.

If Baylor can't land in the ACC, PAC-12 or Big 10, what then?

Baylor would have three options. I'll list them in order of positivity.

First, Baylor could join the Big East in basketball and the American as a football only member. Given Baylor's size and success in that league, the league might take Baylor as a football only member. The Big East is a great basketball league with Villanova, Georgetown and Creighton, so Baylor could keep it rolling in hoops. The 2021 Bears had one player from Texas (Matthew Mayer) among the top eight guys, so even if Texas recruiting takes a bit of a dip, Scott Drew and company could make up for it with a national brand in that league.

Second, Baylor could try and keep a revised Big 12 together and merge with another league. Maybe Baylor, Kansas State, Iowa State and West Virginia can't find homes. Those four still offer more than a lot of leagues. Those teams could merge with the top American teams and form a quality conference. With the playoff supposedly expanding to the top six conference champions, the new Big American (the name can improve!) would have some path to winning.

Finally, Baylor could just join the American. Maybe it's just Baylor and Kansas State or some other school that are homeless. Houston made the Final Four in the American. Houston, UCF and others have been good football programs. Even with a step down, Baylor could keep winning in hoops and have a competitive football program.

Is Baylor doomed?

No. Texas had all the resources in the world and lost to Abilene Christian while Baylor won the national title in hoops. Baylor's won two Big 12 titles and played for another in the span that Texas has won zero. If resources were everything, then Texas football would have been something during the Obama and Trump years.

Baylor might have to deal with a setback though. The football program could be in a worse spot if the Bears fail to land a power conference home, and Baylor basketball's revenue might decline quite a bit. But Baylor has great leadership and one of the country's best basketball coaches. It has a cerebral football coach who appears to be on the right track with the offensive changes he made. Maybe it all blows up for Baylor, but the oldest university in Texas survived every other round of realignment. It will make it through this one too."
NeuroticBear
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DanaDane said:


Once NIL became reality, this was inevitable.

Should be interesting to see what the remaining 4 seasons bring us.
boognish_bear
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Where does Iowa St end up? B1G?
PartyBear
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The money will have to be great and I expect to be for the UT folks to be with the southerners. For different reasons they are going to be about as out of their element as Vandy. Vandy is a southern school though.

Boognish, Baylor's leaders need to be working on other P5 conferences tonight or last week or whenever they heard this was happening. Not wait fir the XII to collapse.
boognish_bear
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boognish_bear
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We haven't had any statements from Baylor yet, have we?

PartyBear
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No but OSU is probably reeling. They always thought they were a packaged deal with OU. We have known for at least 11 years this could happen and no one is going to take us with them. Hopefully Mack is too busy right now ( literally at 11 Pm CDT) to be issuing a statement.
DanaDane
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Thamel hits on it at the end of his article -- the SEC is essentially set to become a quasi-professional league.


Even if it initially goes to a 4, 16 team superconference including the SEC, that model won't last long as the SEC's money, power and prestige for recruiting and paying for NIL will dwarf the other 3 conferences. This will result in an uneven playing field and the model will blow up, leaving 1 quasi-professional league that will probably add a couple of others like Clemson and Ohio St and maybe Notre Dame...and call it what it is -- semi-pro football.
boognish_bear
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Hope this doesn't mess up our current recruiting class
RegentCoverup
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There isn't a conference affiliation alive that still makes this interesting.

Though watching UT or OU get throttled and have to fire their prima Donna coaches would be mildly entertaining

The flaw here is that the world doesn't care about blue bloods the way that blue bloods care about blue bloods.

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