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The Big 12's TV contract with ESPN and Fox expires in 2025. Texas Tech president Lawrence Schovanec said in May that the two networks had declined to discuss extending the contract past 2025.

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gobears20 said:

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What is the situation with the Longhorn Network? There is no way the SEC would allow that to come with Texas.

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Canada2017 said:

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Anyone with eyes can see A&M's acceptance of the SEC's invitation was the smart move . Been a huge success on many fronts .

Thought OU was obligated to bring Okie State along to any conference move certainly doesn't appear to be the case now .

Of course if UT and OU are able to force their way into the SEC the Big 12 ( 10 teams ) abomination is finished .

Baylor's only hope is an ACC bid . With the strength of its men and women's basketball programs such an move could happen.

Everyone else is **** out of luck .

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cougar king said:

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It has been a wonderful 12 hours

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Method Man said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Method Man said:

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PartyBear said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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PartyBear said:

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I think y'all believe religion is some huge factor for everyone because it is for you. This is business. Texas for example doesn't care if it's HC is Mormon and neither did UW. Cal and now USC don't care about the religious up bringing in Texas of Dykes and Helton.

It's about money. Baylor has changed quite a bit as well since 11 years ago. 11 years ago we were just coming out of the trauma of Sloan's 10 year attempt to turn Baylor into another Liberty. Yes that type of place is unattractive. And our reputation had been damaged at that point. Now Baylor is a large private school more like SMU and TCU but about the size of most flagship and land grant state schools around the country. Making it a private school more like USC and Miami that has built up a good athletic brand over the past 10 years as well. It isn't unattractive. Also perhaps our conservative BOR had wind of some of this and hence why they voted to allow homosexual clubs are allowed on campus now. That said I'm not claiming Baylor is the hottest brand out there and will bring a lot of eyes from Texas with it. I do think we could be a decent candidate for P5s.

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We believe it's a big factor because the Pac 10 schools said that last time.

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I believe it was posters on Baylorfans saying they said that actually.

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The Pac took Utah and CU over BYU. That's all you need to know.

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That was a smart business decision.

No way you take a school that comes with its own special rules about not playing on Sunday.....especially when the Utes pull the same TV market.

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Byu pulls tv all over the country

Cu pulls none anywhere

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If BYU was this huge prize (like you are making them out to be) then they would be in a Power 5 conference instead of their biggest rival.

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Big 12 athletic directors & CEOs meeting at 5 p.m. today to discuss Texas & Oklahoma, sources told @Stadium. 1st reported by @dennisdoddcbs

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) July 22, 2021

Robert Wilson said:

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Method Man said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Method Man said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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PartyBear said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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PartyBear said:

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I think y'all believe religion is some huge factor for everyone because it is for you. This is business. Texas for example doesn't care if it's HC is Mormon and neither did UW. Cal and now USC don't care about the religious up bringing in Texas of Dykes and Helton.

It's about money. Baylor has changed quite a bit as well since 11 years ago. 11 years ago we were just coming out of the trauma of Sloan's 10 year attempt to turn Baylor into another Liberty. Yes that type of place is unattractive. And our reputation had been damaged at that point. Now Baylor is a large private school more like SMU and TCU but about the size of most flagship and land grant state schools around the country. Making it a private school more like USC and Miami that has built up a good athletic brand over the past 10 years as well. It isn't unattractive. Also perhaps our conservative BOR had wind of some of this and hence why they voted to allow homosexual clubs are allowed on campus now. That said I'm not claiming Baylor is the hottest brand out there and will bring a lot of eyes from Texas with it. I do think we could be a decent candidate for P5s.

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We believe it's a big factor because the Pac 10 schools said that last time.

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I believe it was posters on Baylorfans saying they said that actually.

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The Pac took Utah and CU over BYU. That's all you need to know.

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That was a smart business decision.

No way you take a school that comes with its own special rules about not playing on Sunday.....especially when the Utes pull the same TV market.

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Byu pulls tv all over the country

Cu pulls none anywhere

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If BYU was this huge prize (like you are making them out to be) then they would be in a Power 5 conference instead of their biggest rival.

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I didn't t say they were a great prize

But they're more valuable than a number of pac schools

But they're also Mormon

They don't fit geographically anywhere else

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jack.fuller said:

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Big 12 athletic directors & CEOs meeting at 5 p.m. today to discuss Texas & Oklahoma, sources told @Stadium. 1st reported by @dennisdoddcbs

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) July 22, 2021

Welp.. Mack's beach vacation is over

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ilbb990912 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Anyone with eyes can see A&M's acceptance of the SEC's invitation was the smart move . Been a huge success on many fronts .

Thought OU was obligated to bring Okie State along to any conference move certainly doesn't appear to be the case now .

Of course if UT and OU are able to force their way into the SEC the Big 12 ( 10 teams ) abomination is finished .

Baylor's only hope is an ACC bid . With the strength of its men and women's basketball programs such an move could happen.

Everyone else is **** out of luck .

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A&M was smart to go to SEC when Texas was trying to pull A&M, OU, Ok State, and Tech out to the Pac 12. If A&M would've been on board with Pac it probably would've happened.

the Pac12 is an awful, broken conference today and that would have been a financial disaster.

Baylor is effectively getting the SMU death penalty if Tex/OU bolt to SEC....

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Reminder this is what Bob Bowlsby jokingly said about realignment just last week at Big 12 media days: "Not to say it couldn't happen, but it's not one of the things that keeps me up at night."

— Brian Davis (@BDavisAAS) July 22, 2021

The lack of transparency by our flagship institution is wrong. Such a monumental economic and educational decision impacting the entire state must not be made in a bubble on the forty acres. Working on legislation requiring legislative approval for UT to bolt the BIG XII. #txlege

— Jeff Leach (@leachfortexas) July 22, 2021

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TCU, SMU, Houston, Rice, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Tulane, Southern Mississippi, Memphis, Cincinnati, West Virginia & Baylor.

Read it and weep.

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Osodecentx said:

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The most important thing is we've spent the last 2 years ferreting out all of the slave owners and Confederates in our past and removing all signs of them

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Method Man said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Method Man said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Method Man said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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PartyBear said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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PartyBear said:

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I think y'all believe religion is some huge factor for everyone because it is for you. This is business. Texas for example doesn't care if it's HC is Mormon and neither did UW. Cal and now USC don't care about the religious up bringing in Texas of Dykes and Helton.

It's about money. Baylor has changed quite a bit as well since 11 years ago. 11 years ago we were just coming out of the trauma of Sloan's 10 year attempt to turn Baylor into another Liberty. Yes that type of place is unattractive. And our reputation had been damaged at that point. Now Baylor is a large private school more like SMU and TCU but about the size of most flagship and land grant state schools around the country. Making it a private school more like USC and Miami that has built up a good athletic brand over the past 10 years as well. It isn't unattractive. Also perhaps our conservative BOR had wind of some of this and hence why they voted to allow homosexual clubs are allowed on campus now. That said I'm not claiming Baylor is the hottest brand out there and will bring a lot of eyes from Texas with it. I do think we could be a decent candidate for P5s.

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We believe it's a big factor because the Pac 10 schools said that last time.

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I believe it was posters on Baylorfans saying they said that actually.

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The Pac took Utah and CU over BYU. That's all you need to know.

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That was a smart business decision.

No way you take a school that comes with its own special rules about not playing on Sunday.....especially when the Utes pull the same TV market.

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Byu pulls tv all over the country

Cu pulls none anywhere

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If BYU was this huge prize (like you are making them out to be) then they would be in a Power 5 conference instead of their biggest rival.

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I didn't t say they were a great prize

But they're more valuable than a number of pac schools

But they're also Mormon

They don't fit geographically anywhere else

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If BYU were more valuable then a number of PAC-12 schools then they would be in a Power 5 conference.

Utah has had great success in the PAC-12.

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PartyBear said:

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Those folks from Ole Miss aren't going to know where the fxck they are when they show up in Austin for Texas/ Ole Miss game especially dressed like for church. The Texas folks are likewise not going to understand what's up with them. Texas is going to be a fish out of water in the Deep South club.

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Method Man said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Method Man said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Method Man said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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PartyBear said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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PartyBear said:

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I think y'all believe religion is some huge factor for everyone because it is for you. This is business. Texas for example doesn't care if it's HC is Mormon and neither did UW. Cal and now USC don't care about the religious up bringing in Texas of Dykes and Helton.

It's about money. Baylor has changed quite a bit as well since 11 years ago. 11 years ago we were just coming out of the trauma of Sloan's 10 year attempt to turn Baylor into another Liberty. Yes that type of place is unattractive. And our reputation had been damaged at that point. Now Baylor is a large private school more like SMU and TCU but about the size of most flagship and land grant state schools around the country. Making it a private school more like USC and Miami that has built up a good athletic brand over the past 10 years as well. It isn't unattractive. Also perhaps our conservative BOR had wind of some of this and hence why they voted to allow homosexual clubs are allowed on campus now. That said I'm not claiming Baylor is the hottest brand out there and will bring a lot of eyes from Texas with it. I do think we could be a decent candidate for P5s.

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We believe it's a big factor because the Pac 10 schools said that last time.

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I believe it was posters on Baylorfans saying they said that actually.

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The Pac took Utah and CU over BYU. That's all you need to know.

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That was a smart business decision.

No way you take a school that comes with its own special rules about not playing on Sunday.....especially when the Utes pull the same TV market.

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Byu pulls tv all over the country

Cu pulls none anywhere

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If BYU was this huge prize (like you are making them out to be) then they would be in a Power 5 conference instead of their biggest rival.

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I didn't t say they were a great prize

But they're more valuable than a number of pac schools

But they're also Mormon

They don't fit geographically anywhere else

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If BYU were more valuable then a number of PAC-12 schools then they would be in a Power 5 conference.

Utah has had great success in the PAC-12.

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historian said:

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Booboo Bear said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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I don't see the SEC taking Oklahoma State.

Let's face it, it's a different school without T. Boone.

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In terms of national recognition, Big 12 really has three teams:

OU
UT
KU b/c of bball

If SEC wanted to be clever, they could easily take OU and KU and leave UT out.

That would be the worst situation for Baylor, probably, because UT would go independent or PAC, and the B12 remainders would lose the last of their national brands.

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For Texas that's more legacy & $$ than anything else. What have they accomplished in athletics over the last decade? No conference titles or national titles in football, MBB, or WBB. I think their Volleyball team may have won the conference a few times. But who notices or cares?

Meanwhile, OU football wins the conference every year (maybe they're getting bored!), Baylor WBB owned the Big 12 with had 2 national championships, & Kansas MBB owned the Big 12 as well. Baylor football had its ups & downs over that time but did win the conference twice & contended in 2019 while Drew has built MBB into a national power & just won a natty. Other teams in the conference have had good years in those sports. But Texas has become a joke.

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Robert Wilson said:

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Method Man said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Method Man said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Method Man said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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PartyBear said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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PartyBear said:

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I think y'all believe religion is some huge factor for everyone because it is for you. This is business. Texas for example doesn't care if it's HC is Mormon and neither did UW. Cal and now USC don't care about the religious up bringing in Texas of Dykes and Helton.

It's about money. Baylor has changed quite a bit as well since 11 years ago. 11 years ago we were just coming out of the trauma of Sloan's 10 year attempt to turn Baylor into another Liberty. Yes that type of place is unattractive. And our reputation had been damaged at that point. Now Baylor is a large private school more like SMU and TCU but about the size of most flagship and land grant state schools around the country. Making it a private school more like USC and Miami that has built up a good athletic brand over the past 10 years as well. It isn't unattractive. Also perhaps our conservative BOR had wind of some of this and hence why they voted to allow homosexual clubs are allowed on campus now. That said I'm not claiming Baylor is the hottest brand out there and will bring a lot of eyes from Texas with it. I do think we could be a decent candidate for P5s.

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We believe it's a big factor because the Pac 10 schools said that last time.

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I believe it was posters on Baylorfans saying they said that actually.

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The Pac took Utah and CU over BYU. That's all you need to know.

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That was a smart business decision.

No way you take a school that comes with its own special rules about not playing on Sunday.....especially when the Utes pull the same TV market.

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Byu pulls tv all over the country

Cu pulls none anywhere

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If BYU was this huge prize (like you are making them out to be) then they would be in a Power 5 conference instead of their biggest rival.

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I didn't t say they were a great prize

But they're more valuable than a number of pac schools

But they're also Mormon

They don't fit geographically anywhere else

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If BYU were more valuable then a number of PAC-12 schools then they would be in a Power 5 conference.

Utah has had great success in the PAC-12.

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BYU has a larger student population, a much larger alumni base, and better football history than either Oregon State or Washington state, not to mention it is far more highly ranked academically. It's a safe bet that its alumni base is far more affluent and more far reaching geographically. But they're Mormon, so the Pac will never have them

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BearFan33 said:

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jack.fuller said:

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Big 12 athletic directors & CEOs meeting at 5 p.m. today to discuss Texas & Oklahoma, sources told @Stadium. 1st reported by @dennisdoddcbs

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) July 22, 2021

Welp.. Mack's beach vacation is over

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I feel so much better now. I wonder if the left out ADs now realize that Bob Bowelsby has never looked after their interests.

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Method Man said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Method Man said:

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Part of what made Texas such an attractive football program was them taking advantage of all of their natural advantages over schools that did not have those advantages.

Once those advantages left....Texas became a pretty average football program.

If Texas wants to leave....then let em. They haven't had a great football team since 2009 and them moving to the SEC will be the end of Texas as a top tier program.

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They will be fine. They will go back to beating the ags every year and they will beat the miss st, arky and ole miss'. The SEC is the best conference but Scar, Kentucky, Tenn, Vandy, Ole miss, MIss st, Mizzoo scare nobody. Bama is on another level but the deck will reshuffle in a few years when Saban retires.

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Fine......who cares about fine.

I didn't grow up worshipping the Texas Longhorns like a lot of older Baylor alums.

In my lifetime of watching college football (since the 1980's) they are generally a pretty average program....especially if you take out the Mack Brown years.

The Texas Longorns are an average college football program....and going to the SEC will only make them more pedestrian.

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Method Man said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Method Man said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Method Man said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Method Man said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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PartyBear said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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PartyBear said:

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I think y'all believe religion is some huge factor for everyone because it is for you. This is business. Texas for example doesn't care if it's HC is Mormon and neither did UW. Cal and now USC don't care about the religious up bringing in Texas of Dykes and Helton.

It's about money. Baylor has changed quite a bit as well since 11 years ago. 11 years ago we were just coming out of the trauma of Sloan's 10 year attempt to turn Baylor into another Liberty. Yes that type of place is unattractive. And our reputation had been damaged at that point. Now Baylor is a large private school more like SMU and TCU but about the size of most flagship and land grant state schools around the country. Making it a private school more like USC and Miami that has built up a good athletic brand over the past 10 years as well. It isn't unattractive. Also perhaps our conservative BOR had wind of some of this and hence why they voted to allow homosexual clubs are allowed on campus now. That said I'm not claiming Baylor is the hottest brand out there and will bring a lot of eyes from Texas with it. I do think we could be a decent candidate for P5s.

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We believe it's a big factor because the Pac 10 schools said that last time.

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I believe it was posters on Baylorfans saying they said that actually.

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The Pac took Utah and CU over BYU. That's all you need to know.

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That was a smart business decision.

No way you take a school that comes with its own special rules about not playing on Sunday.....especially when the Utes pull the same TV market.

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Byu pulls tv all over the country

Cu pulls none anywhere

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If BYU was this huge prize (like you are making them out to be) then they would be in a Power 5 conference instead of their biggest rival.

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I didn't t say they were a great prize

But they're more valuable than a number of pac schools

But they're also Mormon

They don't fit geographically anywhere else

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If BYU were more valuable then a number of PAC-12 schools then they would be in a Power 5 conference.

Utah has had great success in the PAC-12.

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BYU has a larger student population, a much larger alumni base, and better football history than either Oregon State or Washington state, not to mention it is far more highly ranked academically. It's a safe bet that its alumni base is far more affluent and more far reaching geographically. But they're Mormon, so the Pac will never have them

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I get that your this huge BYU fan, but I'm going to repeat myself.

If BYU were more valuable then a number of PAC-12 schools then they would be in a Power 5 conference.

Its really that simple.

If BYU was as valuable as you make them out to be...then someone would have snapped them up.
Get off the religious persecution angle.

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Osodecentx said:

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The most important thing is we've spent the last 2 years ferreting out all of the slave owners and Confederates in our past and removing all signs of them

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LOL. I was one who said UT would NEVAH go to SEC. It looks like I may have been wrong. All those horns on their web page who mocked aggy and the SEC are suddenly really excited they can **** Baylor at last.

I don't expect the LHWokeBand segment to play Dixie but who knows. Money talks and ethics walk.

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BearFan33 said:

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jack.fuller said:

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Big 12 athletic directors & CEOs meeting at 5 p.m. today to discuss Texas & Oklahoma, sources told @Stadium. 1st reported by @dennisdoddcbs

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) July 22, 2021

Welp.. Mack's beach vacation is over

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I feel so much better now. I wonder if the left out ADs now realize that Bob Bowelsby has never looked after their interests.

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