Good morning. Nevermind. I take it all back. I hate realignment 😂https://t.co/kvLc1pscqS
— Preston Adams (@MeetThePres0709) July 27, 2021
Good morning. Nevermind. I take it all back. I hate realignment 😂https://t.co/kvLc1pscqS
— Preston Adams (@MeetThePres0709) July 27, 2021
The PAC-12 shouldn't dissolve. The remaining schools should add the best remaining regional G5 schools, get back to 12 and create a scheduling/TV contract alliance with an expanded Big 12.PartyBear said:
I read this last night if true and the BiG is about to jump to 20 with 6 PAC members, the PAC will have a smaller remnant than even the XII. That could even be enough votes to dissolve the PAC depending on what the bylaws say.
PartyBear said:
I read this last night if true and the BiG is about to jump to 20 with 6 PAC members, the PAC will have a smaller remnant than even the XII. That could even be enough votes to dissolve the PAC depending on what the bylaws say.
Baylor is availableAberzombie1892 said:PartyBear said:
I read this last night if true and the BiG is about to jump to 20 with 6 PAC members, the PAC will have a smaller remnant than even the XII. That could even be enough votes to dissolve the PAC depending on what the bylaws say.
The B1G would have to add more than two since it would be difficult to justify expanding to the west coast for only two teams. USC, Washington, Oregon would be the bigger gets, and that would only leave one slot remaining for an 18 team B1G or three slots remaining for a 20 team B1G. It will be fascinating to see how this one pans out.
Notre Dame makes way too much sense for the Big Ten, but that's been true forever.Aberzombie1892 said:PartyBear said:
I read this last night if true and the BiG is about to jump to 20 with 6 PAC members, the PAC will have a smaller remnant than even the XII. That could even be enough votes to dissolve the PAC depending on what the bylaws say.
The B1G would have to add more than two since it would be difficult to justify expanding to the west coast for only two teams. USC, Washington, Oregon would be the bigger gets, and that would only leave one slot remaining for an 18 team B1G or three slots remaining for a 20 team B1G. It will be fascinating to see how this one pans out.
Yeah that's crazy said every WVU alum ever.BylrFan said:
No way a singular school from the west coast wants to travel to the Midwest/east coast for games for ALL sports
It looks like there are going to be more schools moving to a "have not" conference than just the leftover 8 from the B12. With that said, I would prefer to be losing often in a "have" conference than winning more in a "have not" conference. The revenue difference is very, very important to the school. And with that said, I have faith that BU could find a way to compete in (and even win) a have conference. We have before and can do it again.blackie said:
If any of this is true, it just seems to me that the Big XII 8 just needs to ride this out. No reason to panic at this point. Collect as much exit money as possible and get setup for what follows. If this scenario in this thread comes to light, I don't see many, if any of the 8 being in the mix. Yes, we would end up in a media considered lower position, but we would be in a position with our peers and many of those names are nothing to scoff at. A lot of them would also be leftovers from the existing P5 conferences Of course after some number of years, some of those in the second tier would start to try to be in an elite conference of their own, albeit at this lower level compared to the "super" conference. And the dilution cycle would continue. Unless something changes with the athletic money over academics mindset abates.
I think I would rather be in that position than having my head beat in finishing in the bottom of the super conference year after year. Of course some of the blue bloods will find that out. That will be something to enjoy. Right now, the SEC, for example, has their bottom feeders that can be feasted upon by their more elite conference brethren, but once they kick those out to form this super conference, who will they be able to feed on, other than themselves. Karma is a b****.
I don't know where Baylor will end up, conference wise, but my bet would be that they end up with the same type of teams currently left in the Big XII.
The question is do they do it for playing Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers and Northwestern? They will make the trip for OSU, Michigan, Penn State and even Wisconsin.BylrFan said:
The only way this happens is if a good chunk of teams merge with the Big 10. No way a singular school from the west coast wants to travel to the Midwest/east coast for games for ALL sports
Yep, and there are benefits.PartyBear said:
If major conference football is being reduced down to 40 or fewer schools across the country. You can count on Baylor not being included. Frankly as I said there are current BIG and SEC members and historic members at that who also will be excluded. Being in those two conferences right now is not an automatic in to what I think is emerging. So the good news is that if it is going down to 44, 40 or 32 that means upwards to around half of all current P5s are in the same boat as Baylor. Baylor, Tech etc just all have the good fortune at least if you want to be positive about it of already knowing it. It may be a surprise to most of the others.
I agree 100 percent. We as fans won't see a cent of this money. How anyone could care more about that than on-field success is beyond me.Timbear said:
The fact that because of Money, some fans would prefer losing over winning, just shows how twisted people's sense of what competition is has become. The NFL can find a good player no matter where they are. I doubt that the NCAA will govern the super conferences. They will be a law unto themselves. Kind of like always. The Big 12 should add 4 to 8 teams and just roll on. Surely, collectively, there would be enough eyeballs.
I went to high school in North Carolina. A number of my friends that I still keep up with went to Appalachian State. They love game day, its one big party with a family atmosphere. Boone, NC is a great place to go see a game. In terms of athletics, they love what they have, and don't worry about what they don't have.Quote:
A reset of this nature would shift the focus back to the things that make college football unique -- regional leagues and rivalries, tradition and the spirit of on-field competition.
I somewhat agree with this, but it's not just about the money. It's about competing with the best. Would you rather play in the majors hoping to win, or would you rather play little league knowing you'll win.Timbear said:
The fact that because of Money, some fans would prefer losing over winning, just shows how twisted people's sense of what competition is has become. The NFL can find a good player no matter where they are. I doubt that the NCAA will govern the super conferences. They will be a law unto themselves. Kind of like always. The Big 12 should add 4 to 8 teams and just roll on. Surely, collectively, there would be enough eyeballs.
The issue is that the bolded would dramatically reduce the payouts for each additional program added that isn't worth their own weight to media partners - none of the realistic expansion candidates do - and the remaining Big 12 members have debt that was expected to be serviced by the P5 money even beyond 2025 and the Big 12 teams have coaches (even outside of football) and infrastructure that was priced on the expectation of continued power conference payouts. Because that is the case, the Big 12 will likely try to maximize payouts in part by minimizing membership as long as it can, and, when (if?) it does expand, it would only expand to the extent necessary to remain a viable conference (i.e. 2 teams to 10 total members) and slowly ease those members into the conference by giving them partial payouts for years.Timbear said:
The fact that because of Money, some fans would prefer losing over winning, just shows how twisted people's sense of what competition is has become. The NFL can find a good player no matter where they are. I doubt that the NCAA will govern the super conferences. They will be a law unto themselves. Kind of like always. The Big 12 should add 4 to 8 teams and just roll on. Surely, collectively, there would be enough eyeballs.
PartyBear said:
The writing is on the wall. What we now know as the XII, ACC and Pac will not be the equivalent of today's P5 conferences in a few years. As will there be some remnant of what today is called the SEC and BiG as well who will not be the equivalent of today's P5. . They will be the equivalent of today's G5s. Its just a matter now of seeing who the remnants of each of the other conference ends up being. We sort of have an idea about the remnant of the Pac based on reports.
Why? It doesn't strengthen the position of any of these leagues to combine. It only adds travel cost and creates a bunch of conference games that neither team cares about.nachothrasher said:
I still think the remaining 8 need to be thinking about teaming up with the remaining from some other conference (which is coming).
It could be the remaining Pac or the remaining ACC.
I would stay away from SMU, UofH etc for now.
They likely don't. There's nothing they can add that will help them compete with the SEC and Big Ten. They're in the same situation the PAC-12 is in. They're on the plate, not at the table. The only thing protecting them is the world's longest grant of rights deal.LondonBear said:
When the ACC get involved and look to expand?
CorsicanaBear said:I went to high school in North Carolina. A number of my friends that I still keep up with went to Appalachian State. They love game day, its one big party with a family atmosphere. Boone, NC is a great place to go see a game. In terms of athletics, they love what they have, and don't worry about what they don't have.Quote:
A reset of this nature would shift the focus back to the things that make college football unique -- regional leagues and rivalries, tradition and the spirit of on-field competition.
Timbear said:
The fact that because of Money, some fans would prefer losing over winning, just shows how twisted people's sense of what competition is has become. The NFL can find a good player no matter where they are. I doubt that the NCAA will govern the super conferences. They will be a law unto themselves. Kind of like always. The Big 12 should add 4 to 8 teams and just roll on. Surely, collectively, there would be enough eyeballs.
I agree completely. Embrace what you are/have and commit to being the best you can possibly be.Beaneater said:Timbear said:
The fact that because of Money, some fans would prefer losing over winning, just shows how twisted people's sense of what competition is has become. The NFL can find a good player no matter where they are. I doubt that the NCAA will govern the super conferences. They will be a law unto themselves. Kind of like always. The Big 12 should add 4 to 8 teams and just roll on. Surely, collectively, there would be enough eyeballs.
Here's the thing I keep coming back to: does a 4A high school feel bad it didn't win the 6A stare championship? Of course not.
Let the top 40 go do their thing & determine their champion. Let the FCS do the same. Then all of us in the middlesome 80 teamswill also compete for a championship. Due to NIL & blue bloodedness, almost all the 5 & 4 stars are in the top 40. The rest of us will get the best kids we can & play college football.
I'm good with that.