We're halfway nuked now. Where are the premium side posters to smooth the waters?

Space53 said:

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Good luck to them both. We officially need players.

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Have no fear. The premium boys will be along soon to show you its all an upgrade.

ScottS said:

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Space53 said:

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Good luck to them both. We officially need players.

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Have no fear. The premium boys will be along soon to show you its all an upgrade.

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Careful ScottS or Mack's minions will be coming for you! :-)

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Space53 said:

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Good luck to them both. We officially need players.

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Have no fear. The premium boys will be along soon to show you its all an upgrade.

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So that gets us down to 7 players, and still supposedly one of those is contemplating a transfer.

1. NaLyssa Smith
2. Jaden Owens
3. Kamaria McDaniel
4. Sarah Andrews
5. Queen Egbo
6. Caitlin Bickle
7. Jordan Lewis

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So that gets us down to 7 players, and still supposedly one of those is contemplating a transfer.

1. NaLyssa Smith
2. Jaden Owens
3. Kamaria McDaniel
4. Sarah Andrews
5. Queen Egbo
6. Caitlin Bickle
7. Jordan Lewis

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This is still a really good seven to have and would win a lot of games. However, 5 of them would be in their senior season and would leave a huge hole in the following year.

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ScottS said:

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Space53 said:

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Good luck to them both. We officially need players.

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Have no fear. The premium boys will be along soon to show you its all an upgrade.

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Careful ScottS or Mack's minions will be coming for you! :-)

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Not to sound all-knowing or mysterious, but I look forward to the day when the back story comes out about this entire WBB saga. Many of you would be amazed. Yet a few of you that have been around this self-destructive bag of doorknobs for any period of time would not. I'm no inside guru. But I have enough access to know what I care to know. Karma is going to have its say in this. And a few small drops of bad karma have already started to rain. Personally, I feel sorry for Collen. I do not believe that she truly understands what she has just walked into. She appears to be a kind and caring soul. And I do wish her well. She is a coach at my alma mater. I hope she has a plan B. I just wish fine men like Dr's McCall and Reynolds were here to see this. They would be turning over tables.

It's a good 7 players, but it's a recipe for all of them to be badly fatigued by the end of the season.

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This conspiracy theory probably needs to be on the R&P board, but it would be swamped with all the other B.S. over there But if Messer is going to LSU, why is she sitting around here where she can legally talk to the players?

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Mulkey and the rest of her staff from Baylor are currently in Waco. They are packing and processing local affairs before they are gone. Kim is keeping her current home in Waco. Daughter/husband and grandkids stay. They won't be fully boots-on-the-ground at LSU until July. That is straight from Kim. I posted nearly 2 weeks ago that Messer was going with Kim. That is what I was specifically told...and that all of her former staff with the exception of one coach was going with her..that one exception assuming to be Bill Brock. Her daughter also being the exception, although she is not a coach. Not sure why people are so hung up on Messer's status, unless it is her current social media content. I think all of that is in mothballs at the moment until LSU officially announces the staff additions. Then everything will be updated.

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My point was that Mulkey is an LSU employee, Messer is not. She can legally talk to players as much as she wants and tell them who knows what. Then she magically shows up on an LSU payroll later. Pretty slimy if that is happening. Robert's and Derrick already offially LSU. Why not Messer if not for a planned LSU agenda?

I don't think anyone can be sure of much of anything with the egos involved. It just doesn't smell right.

Program blown up by two star Mack. Great job! If smith or Egbo bolts we won't make the tournament. Not going to make it in 2023 anyway or thereafter.

Baylor doesn't care about any of this. Only football and men's basketball

Cnc probably took the job because of money and she was on the hot seat in Atlanta anyway. I have nothing against her she seems nice enough. If the program tanks under her watch it will ruin her career which is sad

So much for the baylor brand. HOF coach leaves. Players leave. You end up in the cellar in two years.

Athletic director in over his head on this deal. Don't think Drew isn't watching how this is handled.

**Mack

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Program blown up by two star Mack. Great job! If smith or Egbo bolts we won't make the tournament. Not going to make it in 2023 anyway or thereafter.

Baylor doesn't care about any of this. Only football and men's basketball

Cnc probably took the job because of money and she was on the hot seat in Atlanta anyway. I have nothing against her she seems nice enough. If the program tanks under her watch it will ruin her career which is sad

So much for the baylor brand. HOF coach leaves. Players leave. You end up in the cellar in two years.

Athletic director in over his head on this deal. Don't think Drew isn't watching how this is handled.

**Mack

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You are probably right. Think of it like this. If the transfer portal deadline I heard is correct, these girls have until July 1 to go into the portal. That means Collen has to go another 6 weeks to hold onto them. That leaves a lot of time for outside temptations to work their way in. I have to remind myself that these are kids. They think in their own way. Who knows? I know one thing. I am not putting money on any predictions at this point.

Of the ones who have left, none should have surprised us. Oliver and Ursin have graduated and are likely ready to get on with their lives, and while Ursin would have been a difference maker had she stayed, Trinity would not have been, though she would certainly have helped alleviate the problem of depth. Jordan Oliver's departure was announced well ahead of the Mulkey decision. At the time I did not think that it would have too adverse an effect, but now I see otherwise. I wish that she had stayed, but her lack of playing time was almost certainly a factor, though perhaps not the only one.

As we have recognized over the years, Coach Mulkey is not palatable to every player who initially chooses to cast their lot with Baylor. The senior class of next year included Trinity Oliver coming off a red shirt year, so that put six players of varying quality in the same group. Three remain from that group and a couple of transfers add to it. The truth is, Mulkey and her staff did the program no service by putting emphasis on one class, but this was not the first time that we fell into that trap.

UCONN can get away with it better than anyone else because they can recruit at such a high level any year that they choose to go all out, this next year being a prime example of that, and the year after almost as good, if not equal. Most programs are better served by trying to acquire at least two players each year who are likely to be starting quality by their junior year, or if red shirted, as sophomores.

Mulkey has several times overloaded her recruiting classes, and the departure of four or five contributing seniors has occasioned rebuilds. Our current situation was early on self evident; all one had to do was look at the roster. It was disguised, but made worse, by the quality transfers brought in, because they simply added to the top heavy roster. In successive years she took one frosh player (who left), then two(one of whom left), then one (Dauda), who never made it to campus with Mulkey's departure. That leaves the program with one player from three years of high school recruiting. Presumably this was because the 2022 & 2023 classes were flush and she was backloading open slots for those high quality classes.

She rarely played more than eight players once the conference schedule was opened, so she did what Geno and some other top coaches have done, and that was leave a slot or two open and go with smaller rosters.. There may also have been some budgetary horse-trading involved, as well, though I don't know that to be the case.

I greatly admired many things about Kim Mulkey, both as a coach and as a person, but I was never an unrestrained believer in her recruiting strategies, and I followed that part of her Baylor coaching career very closely. It would serve no useful purpose to discuss the reasons for this, as each of us have our own views, none of them likely to be totally accurate, and few of them to be mere products of our fancy. The point I want to make is that Mack Rhoades is not responsible for all of the choices represented by the events of the last three weeks for so many players on this particular stage, and it serves no useful purpose to pretend otherwise.

It doesn't really matter what we think of our program, AD and new coach. It matters what our current players, signees and commits think of them and the early sign is they think Baylor is not the place to be anymore.

I've said for years that when kim goes the program will collapse....unless Baylor hires the right coach. As soon as rhoades knew he couldn't get the coaches from either Arizona or Michigan he should have hired messer and retained Brock. It would have stopped the mass exodus and likely saved some of our recruits. Once again his ego wouldn't allow that and the program is headed for trouble.