Want to understand the new offensive philosophy?

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Adriacus Peratuun
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Read Coach Collen's quotes [indicate what attributes she finds important]:



The ability to play both on & off the ball....in other words both a facilitator & a finisher.

The prior staff focused on plays where only one person [the PG] facilitated 100% of the time. That approach is the opposite of modern basketball philosophy [which seeks the max # of players who can both facilitate & finish (think Butler, Mitchell, Teague & Meyer playing together)]. The thought is that teams attack, distribute, attack, distribute, attack, finish. No D can withstand constant help rotation, shuffle back, reattach again & again & again.

Great fit for offensive style....floor spacer [3 point shooting] and ability to initiate front side (ball side) or back side. Collen wants duel threat guards on both frontside & backside. Landrum, Ursin, etc. were "catch to shoot/score" guards. Collen wants players who can shoot but also "reinitiate" after a swing pass. Shooting primary guards are useful [think Flagler] but shooter/initiator guards are far more useful [think Butler & Mitchell].

The added benefit to multiple initiators is improved transition basketball. When teams have a sole primary ballhandler it limits transition [think rebound left side, ballhandler right side.....requires a "loop back"]. With multiple ball handlers/initiators, any rebound should present immediate transition opportunities. Coach Collen has repeatedly emphasized her desire to play fast and get easy transition buckets. [As an aside: faster pace equals more shot opportunities, more shot opportunities equals easier ability to keep more players happy. In OTT World, slow pace of play means greater risk of losing players].

Remember Coach Collen's comments to NaLyssa Smith re lack of assists. She sees Smith as both a facilitator and a finisher. This improves Smith's basketball value to Pros and makes Smith a far deadlier player [knowing she is not simply looking to score but also to pass]. With the number of double teams that Smith draws, she can easily average 4 assists per game (if used correctly). But like any player, Smith needs space [which loops the discussion back to 3 point shooters providing floor spacing].
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Yes, putting Andrews, Owens, Lewis, McDaniel, and Ja'Mee in position to open up the floor, which then gives room for Smith and Queen to operate. Will be fun to watch evolve.
Brian Ethridge
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Also, the pick and roll game and the screening needed to pick and pop.
setshot
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This should be an interesting and hopefully, an enjoyable offense to watch when it is properly executed, and by the sound of it, one that both Sammie Wagner and Maddie Cox will find appealing, as both players have inside/outside strengths which fit the scheme. I look forward to seeing what NaLyssa Smith will be able to do in terms of expanding her game in an offense of this kind. Recent trends at every level of the sport, whether men or women, support the idea of making players more adaptable, with an enlarged skill set, and that makes defending the larger expanse of the court a more difficult task.

I like the brand of basketball it represents and the increased level of individual development that makes it work. Baylor has been very good with a different scheme, and the challenge now will be to make the transition within a time frame that allows for proficiency by the time the conference schedule begins. With a roster of veterans and newcomers, it will be a balancing act for the new coaching staff to play for the now, while building for the future.
drahthaar
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setshot said:

This should be an interesting and hopefully, and enjoyable offense to watch if it is properly executed, and by the sound of it, one that both Sammie Wagner and Maddie Cox will find appealing, as both players have inside/outside strengths which fit the scheme. I look forward to seeing what NaLyssa Smith will be able to do in terms of expanding her game in an offense of this kind.


Annnd, even I see what you did there! Kudos. And thanks for all your input.
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drahthaar said:

setshot said:

This should be an interesting and hopefully, and enjoyable offense to watch if it is properly executed, and by the sound of it, one that both Sammie Wagner and Maddie Cox will find appealing, as both players have inside/outside strengths which fit the scheme. I look forward to seeing what NaLyssa Smith will be able to do in terms of expanding her game in an offense of this kind.


Annnd, even I see what you did there! Kudos. And thanks for all your input.
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Re: AP comment about multiple initiators:
Oldest son and I have observed this trend in the NBA playoffs. Typical old school BB would see the PG initiate the offense in every possession (think Magic Johnson, Isaiah Thomas). There are still a couple of NBA teams who just rely on one guy (most notably the Mavericks with Luka). However, there are far more teams who use a tandem of multiple initiators (Suns with Chris Paul/Devin Booker, Jazz with Mike Conley/Donovan Mitchell, Clippers with Kawhi Leonard/Rajon Rondo, Bucks with Jrue Holiday/Giannis Antetokounmpo). Allows for better exploitation of matchups, and allows the primary offensive weapons to play fewer "high intensity/high stress" minutes as the initiator. Feels like a trend.

Re: AP description of attack/distribute/attack/distribute:
This will be a faster paced brand of BB, and will create more touches and more action for each player on the floor. The ball will have more energy, and when it's done well (think 2014 Spurs) the passing and cutting and sharing become contagious. Players will want to play this style of BB.

Re: Setshot observation of balancing act to play for now while building for future:
Agree that this will be a challenge. However, doesn't it also feel that a winning and successful first season in 2022 will help establish Coach NC's credibility, and lead to recruiting momentum which will help the future take care of itself?
blueeyedbear
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Adriacus Peratuun said:

Read Coach Collen's quotes [indicate what attributes she finds important]:



The ability to play both on & off the ball....in other words both a facilitator & a finisher.

The prior staff focused on plays where only one person [the PG] facilitated 100% of the time. That approach is the opposite of modern basketball philosophy [which seeks the max # of players who can both facilitate & finish (think Butler, Mitchell, Teague & Meyer playing together)]. The thought is that teams attack, distribute, attack, distribute, attack, finish. No D can withstand constant help rotation, shuffle back, reattach again & again & again.

Great fit for offensive style....floor spacer [3 point shooting] and ability to initiate front side (ball side) or back side. Collen wants duel threat guards on both frontside & backside. Landrum, Ursin, etc. were "catch to shoot/score" guards. Collen wants players who can shoot but also "reinitiate" after a swing pass. Shooting primary guards are useful [think Flagler] but shooter/initiator guards are far more useful [think Butler & Mitchell].

The added benefit to multiple initiators is improved transition basketball. When teams have a sole primary ballhandler it limits transition [think rebound left side, ballhandler right side.....requires a "loop back"]. With multiple ball handlers/initiators, any rebound should present immediate transition opportunities. Coach Collen has repeatedly emphasized her desire to play fast and get easy transition buckets. [As an aside: faster pace equals more shot opportunities, more shot opportunities equals easier ability to keep more players happy. In OTT World, slow pace of play means greater risk of losing players].

Remember Coach Collen's comments to NaLyssa Smith re lack of assists. She sees Smith as both a facilitator and a finisher. This improves Smith's basketball value to Pros and makes Smith a far deadlier player [knowing she is not simply looking to score but also to pass]. With the number of double teams that Smith draws, she can easily average 4 assists per game (if used correctly). But like any player, Smith needs space [which loops the discussion back to 3 point shooters providing floor spacing].
Gotta hand it too you AP ... you hit this one out of the park. I hope everyone got the point MULTIPLE POINT GUARD TYPE INITIATORS ON THE COURT AT THE SAME TIME THAT CAN ALSO FINISH !!
The point about more shot opportunities keeping players happy. bears a comment. Think of a Hockey team subbing 5 players in every 5-6 minutes - more minutes/more shot opportunities per game for players who get the system and believe in it and BIG BONUS players are kept fresh - and none of this waiting till the last 2-3 minutes of a 30 point game to play. Now that's not exactly how its going to happen in WBB but close. I do believe that Drew proved how well it can work.
Final comment....transition baskets... this is a lightning fast team foot speed wise. I cant wait for UT to try a full court press against these sprinters. Does the word layup's mean anything to anybody ??
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All sounds great until you run into a team with bigs who are effective at closing out the lanes and stopping the drives, and then you can't hit from the outside. You're left with 5 short girls trying to rebound against trees. Basically what many teams tried to do against us in 2019 and found out it doesn't always work that easily.

But, I do agree that it can be fun to watch when it is run effectively.
Adriacus Peratuun
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DanaDane said:

All sounds great until you run into a team with bigs who are effective at closing out the lanes and stopping the drives, and then you can't hit from the outside. You're left with 5 short girls trying to rebound against trees. Basically what many teams tried to do against us in 2019 and found out it doesn't always work that easily.

But, I do agree that it can be fun to watch when it is run effectively.

Yeah, Gonzaga's superior height at all 5 starting positions and 3 main reserve positions sure kept Baylor MBB from scoring and rebounding.

2019 Baylor WBB won with superior talent not superior scheme.

SMH.
Bone Squad
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Whether 2019 Lady Bears had superior talent to either Oregon or Notre Dame is debatable.

But the lesson I take from those games was not whose offensive philosophy was best. Rather, one of those three teams played defense, and the other two did not.
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Bone Squad said:

Whether 2019 Lady Bears had superior talent to either Oregon or Notre Dame is debatable.

But the lesson I take from those games was not whose offensive philosophy was best. Rather, one of those three teams played defense, and the other two did not.
Agree completely on Oregon playing little to no defense. They were soft, similar to Gonzaga for the men this year. They puffed their chest out, but it was paper thin.

Notre Dame had some toughness, but Muffet, was a sheep in a wolf's game. Kim bullied her.
Lion82
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Superior recruiting, Defense, rebounding, max effort and the will to win. That's what makes a program great
Lion82
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Adriacus Peratuun said:

DanaDane said:

All sounds great until you run into a team with bigs who are effective at closing out the lanes and stopping the drives, and then you can't hit from the outside. You're left with 5 short girls trying to rebound against trees. Basically what many teams tried to do against us in 2019 and found out it doesn't always work that easily.

But, I do agree that it can be fun to watch when it is run effectively.

Yeah, Gonzaga's superior height at all 5 starting positions and 3 main reserve positions sure kept Baylor MBB from scoring and rebounding.

2019 Baylor WBB won with superior talent not superior scheme.

SMH.
Lion82
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Adriacus Peratuun said:

DanaDane said:

All sounds great until you run into a team with bigs who are effective at closing out the lanes and stopping the drives, and then you can't hit from the outside. You're left with 5 short girls trying to rebound against trees. Basically what many teams tried to do against us in 2019 and found out it doesn't always work that easily.

But, I do agree that it can be fun to watch when it is run effectively.

Yeah, Gonzaga's superior height at all 5 starting positions and 3 main reserve positions sure kept Baylor MBB from scoring and rebounding.

2019 Baylor WBB won with superior talent not superior scheme.

SMH.


John Wooden and Geno won the vast majority of their national titles with superior talent. You act like having talent is shameful. SMH

Losers focus mainly on scheme because they can't recruit players.
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