Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

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And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

Im pretty sure tough guy Scranton Joe will handle Putin like he did CornPop back in the day

Mothra said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

---

You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

This board puts the incoherence of right-wing foreign policy on hilarious display. The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty. If Biden confronts Russia, they'll condemn him as a warmonger. If he doesn't, they'll condemn him for being weak. Now they're dancing around in a low-level panic and trying to do both at the same time since they're not sure which way he'll go. It's quite a show.

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And the same dems who were against Bush and Iraq stopped caring immediately as soon as Obama was drone bombing people.

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Shhh, we have to pretend that only one side of the aisle plays politics with foreign crises.

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That is going on right now, big time. With Crimea, Obama was weak support NATO and he sent blankets. Now, Ukraine threatened Biden doing the right thing supporting NATO and it is wrong. Sickening.

You know even if you don't like someone, they can still do the right thing once in a while. That was my main complaint with Dems on Trump, anything he did was wrong. Stupid logic, nothing gets done and we fall behind.

Biden is the worst President I have seen, but if he supports NATO he is doing the right thing. You will never get a country to resist Russia or China in the future if you let a former Soviet territory that wants to go democratic fall like this

RMF5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

---

You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

This board puts the incoherence of right-wing foreign policy on hilarious display. The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty. If Biden confronts Russia, they'll condemn him as a warmonger. If he doesn't, they'll condemn him for being weak. Now they're dancing around in a low-level panic and trying to do both at the same time since they're not sure which way he'll go. It's quite a show.

---

And the same dems who were against Bush and Iraq stopped caring immediately as soon as Obama was drone bombing people.

---

Shhh, we have to pretend that only one side of the aisle plays politics with foreign crises.

---

That is going on right now, big time. With Crimea, Obama was weak support NATO and he sent blankets. Now, Ukraine threatened Biden doing the right thing supporting NATO and it is wrong. Sickening.

You know even if you don't like someone, they can still do the right thing once in a while. That was my main complaint with Dems on Trump, anything he did was wrong. Stupid logic, nothing gets done and we fall behind.

Biden is the worst President I have seen, but if he supports NATO he is doing the right thing. You will never get a country to resist Russia or China in the future if you let a former Soviet territory that wants to go democratic fall like this

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I don't have a problem with his talking tough, nor even supplying them with weapons. But put American lives on the line? I can't go there. Can you? Would you want to have American troops in Ukraine fighting Russians?

Mothra said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

---

You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

This board puts the incoherence of right-wing foreign policy on hilarious display. The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty. If Biden confronts Russia, they'll condemn him as a warmonger. If he doesn't, they'll condemn him for being weak. Now they're dancing around in a low-level panic and trying to do both at the same time since they're not sure which way he'll go. It's quite a show.

---

And the same dems who were against Bush and Iraq stopped caring immediately as soon as Obama was drone bombing people.

---

Shhh, we have to pretend that only one side of the aisle plays politics with foreign crises.

---

That is going on right now, big time. With Crimea, Obama was weak support NATO and he sent blankets. Now, Ukraine threatened Biden doing the right thing supporting NATO and it is wrong. Sickening.

You know even if you don't like someone, they can still do the right thing once in a while. That was my main complaint with Dems on Trump, anything he did was wrong. Stupid logic, nothing gets done and we fall behind.

Biden is the worst President I have seen, but if he supports NATO he is doing the right thing. You will never get a country to resist Russia or China in the future if you let a former Soviet territory that wants to go democratic fall like this

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I don't have a problem with his talking tough, nor even supplying them with weapons. But put American lives on the line? I can't go there. Can you? Would you want to have American troops in Ukraine fighting Russians?

---

If NATO activates and goes in, as they have with Spain, France, Netherlands and Denmark? How do you say, we choose not to this time? How will that be perceived in Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Australia, Singapore and even Viet Nam with China? What agreement will have credibility?

We are a founder of NATO. We have had troops in Europe since 1945. Ukraine says you are right, socialism is wrong we want elections and a western economy to join Europe and we say "nah" we ain't coming? Why are those troops there if when the tanks roll we do nothing? Credibility will be shot but I get the impression the population today does not put much value there. If we stand by, the dam will open.

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

---

You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

---

And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

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What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

RMF5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

---

Canon said:

---

Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

---

You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

This board puts the incoherence of right-wing foreign policy on hilarious display. The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty. If Biden confronts Russia, they'll condemn him as a warmonger. If he doesn't, they'll condemn him for being weak. Now they're dancing around in a low-level panic and trying to do both at the same time since they're not sure which way he'll go. It's quite a show.

---

And the same dems who were against Bush and Iraq stopped caring immediately as soon as Obama was drone bombing people.

---

Shhh, we have to pretend that only one side of the aisle plays politics with foreign crises.

---

That is going on right now, big time. With Crimea, Obama was weak support NATO and he sent blankets. Now, Ukraine threatened Biden doing the right thing supporting NATO and it is wrong. Sickening.

You know even if you don't like someone, they can still do the right thing once in a while. That was my main complaint with Dems on Trump, anything he did was wrong. Stupid logic, nothing gets done and we fall behind.

Biden is the worst President I have seen, but if he supports NATO he is doing the right thing. You will never get a country to resist Russia or China in the future if you let a former Soviet territory that wants to go democratic fall like this

---

I don't have a problem with his talking tough, nor even supplying them with weapons. But put American lives on the line? I can't go there. Can you? Would you want to have American troops in Ukraine fighting Russians?

---

If NATO activates and goes in, as they have with Spain, France, Netherlands and Denmark? How do you say, we choose not to this time? How will that be perceived in Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Australia, Singapore and even Viet Nam with China? What agreement will have credibility?

We are a founder of NATO. We have had troops in Europe since 1945. Ukraine says you are right, socialism is wrong we want elections and a western economy to join Europe and we say "nah" we ain't coming? Why are those troops there if when the tanks roll we do nothing? Credibility will be shot but I get the impression the population today does not put much value there. If we stand by, the dam will open.

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Just so I am clear, is that a yes? You would send American troops into a country on the other side of the world to fight Russians and risk a nuclear war?

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

---

You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

---

And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

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What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

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Thomas Sowell is clueless regarding autism, BTW. The increased prevalence cannot be explained by better or different diagnoses. There's much data on this.

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

---

You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

---

And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

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What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

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Your position on mandates isn't the least bit conservative. That has already been established.

Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

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You have no meaningful definition of conservatism. In your mind it's little more than a haphazard collection of biases and buzzwords.

No.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

---

You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

---

And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

---

What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

---

Your position on mandates isn't the least bit conservative. That has already been established.

Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

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You have no meaningful definition of conservatism. In your mind it's little more than a haphazard collection of biases and buzzwords.

No.

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Says the guy who claims its conservative as long as the Supreme Court declares it as such.

Sure bro. Keep spinning.

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

---

You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

---

And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

---

What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

---

Your position on mandates isn't the least bit conservative. That has already been established.

Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

---

You have no meaningful definition of conservatism. In your mind it's little more than a haphazard collection of biases and buzzwords.

No.

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Says the guy who claims its conservative as long as the Supreme Court declares it as such.

Sure bro. Keep spinning.

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Precisely what I did not say. Learn to read.

Mothra said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

---

You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

This board puts the incoherence of right-wing foreign policy on hilarious display. The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty. If Biden confronts Russia, they'll condemn him as a warmonger. If he doesn't, they'll condemn him for being weak. Now they're dancing around in a low-level panic and trying to do both at the same time since they're not sure which way he'll go. It's quite a show.

---

And the same dems who were against Bush and Iraq stopped caring immediately as soon as Obama was drone bombing people.

---

Shhh, we have to pretend that only one side of the aisle plays politics with foreign crises.

---

That is going on right now, big time. With Crimea, Obama was weak support NATO and he sent blankets. Now, Ukraine threatened Biden doing the right thing supporting NATO and it is wrong. Sickening.

You know even if you don't like someone, they can still do the right thing once in a while. That was my main complaint with Dems on Trump, anything he did was wrong. Stupid logic, nothing gets done and we fall behind.

Biden is the worst President I have seen, but if he supports NATO he is doing the right thing. You will never get a country to resist Russia or China in the future if you let a former Soviet territory that wants to go democratic fall like this

---

I don't have a problem with his talking tough, nor even supplying them with weapons. But put American lives on the line? I can't go there. Can you? Would you want to have American troops in Ukraine fighting Russians?

---

If NATO activates and goes in, as they have with Spain, France, Netherlands and Denmark? How do you say, we choose not to this time? How will that be perceived in Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Australia, Singapore and even Viet Nam with China? What agreement will have credibility?

We are a founder of NATO. We have had troops in Europe since 1945. Ukraine says you are right, socialism is wrong we want elections and a western economy to join Europe and we say "nah" we ain't coming? Why are those troops there if when the tanks roll we do nothing? Credibility will be shot but I get the impression the population today does not put much value there. If we stand by, the dam will open.

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Just so I am clear, is that a yes? You would send American troops into a country on the other side of the world to fight Russians and risk a nuclear war?

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We have an obligation upon NATO activation to support by sending troops to their prepositioning areas. We used to do that every year or so with REFORGER. My understanding of the current issue is to ensure the eastern flank and the Baltic States are protected. So, yes I would send troops. That is the whole purpose of NATO.

Ukraine is a tough nut, Ukraine has amended its constitution and states NATO membership is their goal. That is a NATO win. That is what we worked 75 years to accomplish. Now you want to say no??

As for risking nuclear war, there is more risk of Pakistan and India going nuclear than NATO and Russia, if NATO stats strong.

Mothra said:

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bularry said:

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Rawhide said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

---

You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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I find it interesting that Putin didn't invade Ukraine while Trump was in office. Of course now that we have a pansy in the White House, proved by the fubar'd mess in Afghanistan that your boy was in charge of, it's no surprise that countries like Russia and China are emboldened.

Gawd, are you that ****ing stupid to completely not see how weak our current POTUS is?

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current POTUS might seem weak, but that had nothing to do with the Afghan withdrawal that was started years in advance.

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"Nothing"? Wow. I'd say he had a little bit more to say on that than nothing.

Look, I understand your need to absolve him of any wrongdoing, but his own generals were warning him against his withdrawal plan:

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/28/top-generals-afghanistan-withdrawal-congress-hearing-514491

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It was a disaster.. no doubt, and Biden deserves a lot of blame. But the generals were gonna be mad no matter what happened if we were leaving. I didn't see much support from the military, in general, for the withdrawal. and frankly, no plan to have us leave was going to be "good". That isn't making excuses, that is stating fact. The decision to withdraw, made by Trump, was the right one.

I have no need to "absolve" Joe of anything, unlike you I'm not emotionally attached to stupid causes or people in the hopes of some totalitarian state of supreme rule by "one of us"

" no plan to have us leave was going to be "good"" We don't know that at all. All we know is the way Biden chose to withdraw and what a disaster it turned out to be.

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

---

You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

---

And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

---

What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

---

Thomas Sowell is clueless regarding autism, BTW. The increased prevalence cannot be explained by better or different diagnoses. There's much data on this.

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let's see that data on autism and measles vaccine, I'm ready to digest!

Wangchung said:

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" no plan to have us leave was going to be "good"" We don't know that at all. All we know is the way Biden chose to withdraw and what a disaster it turned out to be.

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that's true. His plan sucked.

But it would have been difficult under even better circumstances (based on reports after/during the withdrawal from military people)

Canada2017 said:

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bularry said:

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Canon said:

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bularry said:

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midgett said:

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Read recently (can't find the article) about Putin's negotiating style. This is how he was taught coming up in the Russian leadership.

You go to the meeting. You take your armed thugs with you. The other party will come to the meeting and bring their armed thugs, too.

If the two parties can't negotiate a deal acceptable to both parties, blood will spill. No one wants there to be blood on their own side.

If the other party doesn't come armed, you decide all the details of the deal.

If true, Putin is looking for weakness. He knows if the US shows a strong hand and the willingness to use it, that an agreement must be reached. If the US doesn't show a strong hand, he's gonna do what he wants.

It'll be interesting to see if Putin thinks Biden is serious. If not, Ukraine may be Russia's soon.

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Does Russia want all of Ukraine? or just that Eastern strip? I'm not sure

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How much of an invasion and violent annexation of foreign territory is acceptable?

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None, but I'm wondering what Russia's objective is here.

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To keep NATO military hardware out of Ukraine

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agree, that is one of them

bularry said:

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Wangchung said:

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" no plan to have us leave was going to be "good"" We don't know that at all. All we know is the way Biden chose to withdraw and what a disaster it turned out to be.

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that's true. His plan sucked.

But it would have been difficult under even better circumstances (based on reports after/during the withdrawal from military people)

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It couldn't have gone much worse than it did and that seems to be a theme with this administration.

BellCountyBear said:

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midgett said:

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Read recently (can't find the article) about Putin's negotiating style. This is how he was taught coming up in the Russian leadership.

You go to the meeting. You take your armed thugs with you. The other party will come to the meeting and bring their armed thugs, too.

If the two parties can't negotiate a deal acceptable to both parties, blood will spill. No one wants there to be blood on their own side.

If the other party doesn't come armed, you decide all the details of the deal.

If true, Putin is looking for weakness. He knows if the US shows a strong hand and the willingness to use it, that an agreement must be reached. If the US doesn't show a strong hand, he's gonna do what he wants.

It'll be interesting to see if Putin thinks Biden is serious. If not, Ukraine may be Russia's soon.

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I'm fairly confident Putin thinks Biden is a senile buffoon. Pray for the Ukrainian people.

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Well, Bloomberg is now reporting Russia is now talking of troops and missels in Cuba and Venezuela.

"Putin is continuing to up the ante with Russian naval exercises slated worldwide, including in the Baltic, Mediterranean and even off the coast of Ireland. His adjutants are making noises about a strategic partnership with Cuba, including putting troops and even missiles there, in Venezuela or Nicaragua. Putin has demanded simultaneously with his aggressive military moves that NATO roll back forces from member statesnations formerly contained within the USSR. It seems however that he's about to achieve the opposite: U.S. President Joe Biden is contemplating sending thousands of American GIs to Eastern Europe. And for the first time since the Cold War, a U.S. carrier battle group is heading to sea under NATO command. David E. Rovella "

bularry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

---

You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

---

The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

---

And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

---

What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

---

Thomas Sowell is clueless regarding autism, BTW. The increased prevalence cannot be explained by better or different diagnoses. There's much data on this.

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let's see that data on autism and measles vaccine, I'm ready to digest!

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I am not sure what data you are referencing. As I said in my post, I was referring to Sowell's claim that the prevalence of autism today can be attributed to better or different diagnosis. That's a crock of *****

Of course there is a positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21623535/

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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This board puts the incoherence of right-wing foreign policy on hilarious display. The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty. If Biden confronts Russia, they'll condemn him as a warmonger. If he doesn't, they'll condemn him for being weak. Now they're dancing around in a low-level panic and trying to do both at the same time since they're not sure which way he'll go. It's quite a show.

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And the same dems who were against Bush and Iraq stopped caring immediately as soon as Obama was drone bombing people.

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Shhh, we have to pretend that only one side of the aisle plays politics with foreign crises.

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That is going on right now, big time. With Crimea, Obama was weak support NATO and he sent blankets. Now, Ukraine threatened Biden doing the right thing supporting NATO and it is wrong. Sickening.

You know even if you don't like someone, they can still do the right thing once in a while. That was my main complaint with Dems on Trump, anything he did was wrong. Stupid logic, nothing gets done and we fall behind.

Biden is the worst President I have seen, but if he supports NATO he is doing the right thing. You will never get a country to resist Russia or China in the future if you let a former Soviet territory that wants to go democratic fall like this

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I don't have a problem with his talking tough, nor even supplying them with weapons. But put American lives on the line? I can't go there. Can you? Would you want to have American troops in Ukraine fighting Russians?

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If NATO activates and goes in, as they have with Spain, France, Netherlands and Denmark? How do you say, we choose not to this time? How will that be perceived in Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Australia, Singapore and even Viet Nam with China? What agreement will have credibility?

We are a founder of NATO. We have had troops in Europe since 1945. Ukraine says you are right, socialism is wrong we want elections and a western economy to join Europe and we say "nah" we ain't coming? Why are those troops there if when the tanks roll we do nothing? Credibility will be shot but I get the impression the population today does not put much value there. If we stand by, the dam will open.

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Just so I am clear, is that a yes? You would send American troops into a country on the other side of the world to fight Russians and risk a nuclear war?

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We have an obligation upon NATO activation to support by sending troops to their prepositioning areas. We used to do that every year or so with REFORGER. My understanding of the current issue is to ensure the eastern flank and the Baltic States are protected. So, yes I would send troops. That is the whole purpose of NATO.

Ukraine is a tough nut, Ukraine has amended its constitution and states NATO membership is their goal. That is a NATO win. That is what we worked 75 years to accomplish. Now you want to say no??

As for risking nuclear war, there is more risk of Pakistan and India going nuclear than NATO and Russia, if NATO stats strong.

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Yes, I absolutely want to say no to spilling American blood and risking nuclear war over a corrupt country located on the other side of the world. Most definitely. I think most reasonable Americans would agree. Hopefully mistakes like Vietnam and Iraq have taught us something.

As for Putin, I wouldn't underestimate what a cornered animal might do.

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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I find it interesting that Putin didn't invade Ukraine while Trump was in office. Of course now that we have a pansy in the White House, proved by the fubar'd mess in Afghanistan that your boy was in charge of, it's no surprise that countries like Russia and China are emboldened.

Gawd, are you that ****ing stupid to completely not see how weak our current POTUS is?

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current POTUS might seem weak, but that had nothing to do with the Afghan withdrawal that was started years in advance.

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"Nothing"? Wow. I'd say he had a little bit more to say on that than nothing.

Look, I understand your need to absolve him of any wrongdoing, but his own generals were warning him against his withdrawal plan:

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/28/top-generals-afghanistan-withdrawal-congress-hearing-514491

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I have no need to "absolve" Joe of anything, unlike you I'm not emotionally attached to stupid causes or people in the hopes of some totalitarian state of supreme rule by "one of us"

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LOL.

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

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And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

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What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

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Thomas Sowell is clueless regarding autism, BTW. The increased prevalence cannot be explained by better or different diagnoses. There's much data on this.

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let's see that data on autism and measles vaccine, I'm ready to digest!

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I am not sure what data you are referencing. As I said in my post, I was referring to Sowell's claim that the prevalence of autism today can be attributed to better or different diagnosis. That's a crock of *****

Of course there is a positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21623535/

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Debunked.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaccine-propaganda-in-baltimore-sun/

Sam Lowry said:

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bularry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

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And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

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What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

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Thomas Sowell is clueless regarding autism, BTW. The increased prevalence cannot be explained by better or different diagnoses. There's much data on this.

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let's see that data on autism and measles vaccine, I'm ready to digest!

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I am not sure what data you are referencing. As I said in my post, I was referring to Sowell's claim that the prevalence of autism today can be attributed to better or different diagnosis. That's a crock of *****

Of course there is a positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21623535/

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Debunked.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaccine-propaganda-in-baltimore-sun/

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I am curious what you think your link debunked exactly. You posted a link that "debunks" the claim that vaccines cause autism. However, if you actually read what I posted, that is not what the paper posits. Instead, it examined whether there was a relationship between vaccination rates and autism diagnoses (which, of course, there is - there's lots of data on this). That of course is not the same as saying vaccines cause autism.

I realize in your zeal to defend all things vaccine you may not have read very closely. Ever the shill...

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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bularry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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C. Jordan said:

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Canon said:

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Simply state the following:

If Russia doesn't invade a peaceful neighbor, then no Russians will die. Peace will be maintained. If Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor, they will be sending their troops to their deaths. Choose peace. Choose not to violently invade your peaceful neighbor.

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You misread the Russians. They want to be a world power like the USSR again. Putin knows this kind of escapade feeds into that desire and makes him popular.

They want empire, not peace.

And why don't you contact your Republican reps on this because they want confrontation with Russia.

Isn't it odd that they were silent when Trump debased himself before Putin, but are all over Biden for not being aggressive enough?

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The same people who were committed war hawks under Bush 43 became isolationists under Trump simply because of party loyalty.

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And you were once a conservative. People change, as know all too well from your posting history.

What say you, Sammy? Should we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?

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What's changed isn't me, but the GOP and the conservative movement. This is the kind of thing conservatives used to say about vaccines and vaccine mandates.

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Thomas Sowell is clueless regarding autism, BTW. The increased prevalence cannot be explained by better or different diagnoses. There's much data on this.

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let's see that data on autism and measles vaccine, I'm ready to digest!

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I am not sure what data you are referencing. As I said in my post, I was referring to Sowell's claim that the prevalence of autism today can be attributed to better or different diagnosis. That's a crock of *****

Of course there is a positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21623535/

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Debunked.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaccine-propaganda-in-baltimore-sun/

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I am curious what you think your link debunked exactly.

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That's because you skimmed the first few paragraphs and didn't read the section addressing DeLong's article in detail. It's the part that's called "How bad can an epidemiology paper be?"

If Ukraine wasn't full of white Europeans, we'd likely consider it a ****hole country. A modest upgrade from Albania. Bad economy constantly needing IMF intervention. Using conflict and potential conflict as their ticket to more economic subsidies to see if they can pass Sudan on the GDP list. Nothing cheesier than military conflict cheese.

If you check the 'Merica ego at the door you can see this is a turd. And Let's not bring the Euro military jobs program for nations who haven't seen the business end of enemy weaponry since Hitler offed himself, otherwise known as NATO, into this charade. Let the bluster blow over. Russia just wants to keep Ukraine at baby brother status. Let's not break out the boots and bullets for a pet project of some State/DOD working group on Eastern Europe.

I am Not sure what a best for us in Ukraine but Biden has already had us defeated and he doesn't have the balls to correct it. His leadership is not good for any of us