jupiter said:UKRAINE: tens of 000s dead, atrocities committed (civilians summarily executed), risk of famine, millions of refugees.@ggreenwald: "But how about Hunter Biden's laptop?"https://t.co/q9tXBOc0aP
— Nassim Nicholas Taleb (@nntaleb) April 14, 2022
And c) we have a media that was complicit in burying the Hunter Biden story in order to get his dad elected.contrario said:Agreed. The first sentence in this thread implying one is more of a priority than the other is what may have detailed this thread from the start. With that said, they should both be a high priority. But don't fret, I would imagine that anything implicating the prior administration will be a high-priority for the current administration. I think the reason a lot of people bring up the Hunter Biden situation is because a) Biden is currently president and b) the Biden administration is unlikely to launch an investigation into another Biden.Booray said:
I said nothing about stopping the Hunter Biden investigation.
I am pointing out that the Kushner situation is much, much more alarming. Kushner actually worked at the White House where is portfolio included Mid-East policy. Our policy under Jared and his Father-in-law was incredibly generous to the Saudis. The Saudis then make a huge investment despite their own admission that Jared does not appear to have the expertise to be a fund manager. At the same time, the Saudis appear to be working to undermine the current administration.
If one is concerned about Hunter Biden's ethics and their potential impact on American policy, one should be more concerned about this deal, full stop and without deflection.
You are one of the more reasonable left of center posters on this board, so let's stop with the "woe is me" shtick. It's not like you're Huck or LIQR, deranged by all things Trump.Booray said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I told you so.
I get called a partisan hack in the echo chamber all the time. Yet, the mud slingers are the one who just can't take the idea of investigating their golden cow or his family.
I have been pretty clear-Hunter Biden should be investigated (and I believe he is being investigated). But to the extent his activities were buried, I am just as offended by that.Mothra said:You are one of the more reasonable left of center posters on this board, so let's stop with the "woe is me" shtick. It's not like you're Huck or LIQR, deranged by all things Trump.Booray said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I told you so.
I get called a partisan hack in the echo chamber all the time. Yet, the mud slingers are the one who just can't take the idea of investigating their golden cow or his family.
But I do think your post is severely lacking in perspective. Let's be clear - we have a Republican admin that has been under "investigation" since before the man took office. And even though that first multi-year investigation turned up diddly squat, the man is STILL under investigation, by the State of New York, the New York DA, the State of Georgia, the DOJ and Congress. So when you suggest there should be yet another investigation of the Trump admin in the interest of "fairness" when the media and your fellow Democrats buried the Hunter Biden story in an effort to get Biden elected, you probably need to keep that in perspective before labeling conservatives hypocrites for not being gung ho about yet another investigation when Hunter Biden (and his dad) continue to skate.
You should be offended that the social media autocrats and print media failed to perform their jobs by burying a story that any reasonable investigation would have shown had legs. Instead, they dismissed the story outright as false, and banned anyone from discussing it. You should be offended at the amount of tax dollars that went to a Russian collusion investigation that likewise ended up a total fabrication, bought and paid for by the Clintons. You should be offended by the govt. using its power to perform political witch hunts using the full measure of the law. Those things should be offensive to any American, regardless of political beliefs.Booray said:I have been pretty clear-Hunter Biden should be investigated (and I believe he is being investigated). But to the extent his activities were buried, I am just as offended by that.Mothra said:You are one of the more reasonable left of center posters on this board, so let's stop with the "woe is me" shtick. It's not like you're Huck or LIQR, deranged by all things Trump.Booray said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I told you so.
I get called a partisan hack in the echo chamber all the time. Yet, the mud slingers are the one who just can't take the idea of investigating their golden cow or his family.
But I do think your post is severely lacking in perspective. Let's be clear - we have a Republican admin that has been under "investigation" since before the man took office. And even though that first multi-year investigation turned up diddly squat, the man is STILL under investigation, by the State of New York, the New York DA, the State of Georgia, the DOJ and Congress. So when you suggest there should be yet another investigation of the Trump admin in the interest of "fairness" when the media and your fellow Democrats buried the Hunter Biden story in an effort to get Biden elected, you probably need to keep that in perspective before labeling conservatives hypocrites for not being gung ho about yet another investigation when Hunter Biden (and his dad) continue to skate.
As to the continuing and continual investigations of Trump and his family, there are two ways to look at it. One, there are continuing and continual reasons to investigate them and him, because they are uniquely corrupt. Two, they are not uniquely corrupt as far as politicians go, but they are uniquely open about there corruptness-they just don't play the game like all the corrupt politicians before them.
Regardless of what went on before, the fact that Trump treated the Saudis wit kid gloves, that Kushner was the architect and instrument of that policy, and that Kushner got a big payday out of it deserves attention.
As usual, nothing is good enough except a complete capitulation on every point ever. To which, I am guessing the gracious reply would be "I told you so."Mothra said:You should be offended that the social media autocrats and print media failed to perform their jobs by burying a story that any reasonable investigation would have shown had legs. Instead, they dismissed the story outright as false, and banned anyone from discussing it. You should be offended at the amount of tax dollars that went to a Russian collusion investigation that likewise ended up a total fabrication, bought and paid for by the Clintons. You should be offended by the govt. using its power to perform political witch hunts using the full measure of the law. Those things should be offensive to any American, regardless of political beliefs.Booray said:I have been pretty clear-Hunter Biden should be investigated (and I believe he is being investigated). But to the extent his activities were buried, I am just as offended by that.Mothra said:You are one of the more reasonable left of center posters on this board, so let's stop with the "woe is me" shtick. It's not like you're Huck or LIQR, deranged by all things Trump.Booray said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I told you so.
I get called a partisan hack in the echo chamber all the time. Yet, the mud slingers are the one who just can't take the idea of investigating their golden cow or his family.
But I do think your post is severely lacking in perspective. Let's be clear - we have a Republican admin that has been under "investigation" since before the man took office. And even though that first multi-year investigation turned up diddly squat, the man is STILL under investigation, by the State of New York, the New York DA, the State of Georgia, the DOJ and Congress. So when you suggest there should be yet another investigation of the Trump admin in the interest of "fairness" when the media and your fellow Democrats buried the Hunter Biden story in an effort to get Biden elected, you probably need to keep that in perspective before labeling conservatives hypocrites for not being gung ho about yet another investigation when Hunter Biden (and his dad) continue to skate.
As to the continuing and continual investigations of Trump and his family, there are two ways to look at it. One, there are continuing and continual reasons to investigate them and him, because they are uniquely corrupt. Two, they are not uniquely corrupt as far as politicians go, but they are uniquely open about there corruptness-they just don't play the game like all the corrupt politicians before them.
Regardless of what went on before, the fact that Trump treated the Saudis wit kid gloves, that Kushner was the architect and instrument of that policy, and that Kushner got a big payday out of it deserves attention.
I don't have any problem whatsoever with investigating whether Kushner's deals were on the up and up. But some accountability for Democrats (and not just the Bidens, but the Clintons and Kerrys as well) that have been compensated for similar consulting work should also be on the table. When it's one side that has been doing all of the investigating and retribution, and the other side's conduct has been buried, that should be offensive.
Complete capitulation? LOL. Nah. Instead I would recommend not being so easily offended and so damn sensitive when a conservative is not gung ho when you suggest yet another Trump investigation when your own party has actively concealed and skated on the Biden story with the media's help. If there was ever an example of a poster pointing to the speck in others' eyes while ignoring the plank in his own, it's that.Booray said:As usual, nothing is good enough except a complete capitulation on every point ever. To which, I am guessing the gracious reply would be "I told you so."Mothra said:You should be offended that the social media autocrats and print media failed to perform their jobs by burying a story that any reasonable investigation would have shown had legs. Instead, they dismissed the story outright as false, and banned anyone from discussing it. You should be offended at the amount of tax dollars that went to a Russian collusion investigation that likewise ended up a total fabrication, bought and paid for by the Clintons. You should be offended by the govt. using its power to perform political witch hunts using the full measure of the law. Those things should be offensive to any American, regardless of political beliefs.Booray said:I have been pretty clear-Hunter Biden should be investigated (and I believe he is being investigated). But to the extent his activities were buried, I am just as offended by that.Mothra said:You are one of the more reasonable left of center posters on this board, so let's stop with the "woe is me" shtick. It's not like you're Huck or LIQR, deranged by all things Trump.Booray said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I told you so.
I get called a partisan hack in the echo chamber all the time. Yet, the mud slingers are the one who just can't take the idea of investigating their golden cow or his family.
But I do think your post is severely lacking in perspective. Let's be clear - we have a Republican admin that has been under "investigation" since before the man took office. And even though that first multi-year investigation turned up diddly squat, the man is STILL under investigation, by the State of New York, the New York DA, the State of Georgia, the DOJ and Congress. So when you suggest there should be yet another investigation of the Trump admin in the interest of "fairness" when the media and your fellow Democrats buried the Hunter Biden story in an effort to get Biden elected, you probably need to keep that in perspective before labeling conservatives hypocrites for not being gung ho about yet another investigation when Hunter Biden (and his dad) continue to skate.
As to the continuing and continual investigations of Trump and his family, there are two ways to look at it. One, there are continuing and continual reasons to investigate them and him, because they are uniquely corrupt. Two, they are not uniquely corrupt as far as politicians go, but they are uniquely open about there corruptness-they just don't play the game like all the corrupt politicians before them.
Regardless of what went on before, the fact that Trump treated the Saudis wit kid gloves, that Kushner was the architect and instrument of that policy, and that Kushner got a big payday out of it deserves attention.
I don't have any problem whatsoever with investigating whether Kushner's deals were on the up and up. But some accountability for Democrats (and not just the Bidens, but the Clintons and Kerrys as well) that have been compensated for similar consulting work should also be on the table. When it's one side that has been doing all of the investigating and retribution, and the other side's conduct has been buried, that should be offensive.
It does look like that the MSM blew the Hunter Biden story. Shame on them.
The idea that "Russian collusion" was a total fabrication is not something that I remotely accept. Robert Mueller did a workmanlike job and concluded that he could not prove a crime. It is evident, however, that Trump's campaign coordinated with the Russians and would have been more than happy to "collude" with an adversary if it benefited Trump. He repeated that pattern in Ukraine. He then orchestrated a campaign against our core value that ended in him either instigating or condoning a riot that put the lives of elected leaders at risk and encouraged mob rule. Every dime spent investigating him was appropriate. .
The media didn't "blow it" regarding the laptop story. They intentionally buried it. Frankly, there needs to be an investigation into collusion of the media, big tech, the dnc and the joe biden campaign. The media and big tech did everything they could to influence an election.Booray said:As usual, nothing is good enough except a complete capitulation on every point ever. To which, I am guessing the gracious reply would be "I told you so."Mothra said:You should be offended that the social media autocrats and print media failed to perform their jobs by burying a story that any reasonable investigation would have shown had legs. Instead, they dismissed the story outright as false, and banned anyone from discussing it. You should be offended at the amount of tax dollars that went to a Russian collusion investigation that likewise ended up a total fabrication, bought and paid for by the Clintons. You should be offended by the govt. using its power to perform political witch hunts using the full measure of the law. Those things should be offensive to any American, regardless of political beliefs.Booray said:I have been pretty clear-Hunter Biden should be investigated (and I believe he is being investigated). But to the extent his activities were buried, I am just as offended by that.Mothra said:You are one of the more reasonable left of center posters on this board, so let's stop with the "woe is me" shtick. It's not like you're Huck or LIQR, deranged by all things Trump.Booray said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I told you so.
I get called a partisan hack in the echo chamber all the time. Yet, the mud slingers are the one who just can't take the idea of investigating their golden cow or his family.
But I do think your post is severely lacking in perspective. Let's be clear - we have a Republican admin that has been under "investigation" since before the man took office. And even though that first multi-year investigation turned up diddly squat, the man is STILL under investigation, by the State of New York, the New York DA, the State of Georgia, the DOJ and Congress. So when you suggest there should be yet another investigation of the Trump admin in the interest of "fairness" when the media and your fellow Democrats buried the Hunter Biden story in an effort to get Biden elected, you probably need to keep that in perspective before labeling conservatives hypocrites for not being gung ho about yet another investigation when Hunter Biden (and his dad) continue to skate.
As to the continuing and continual investigations of Trump and his family, there are two ways to look at it. One, there are continuing and continual reasons to investigate them and him, because they are uniquely corrupt. Two, they are not uniquely corrupt as far as politicians go, but they are uniquely open about there corruptness-they just don't play the game like all the corrupt politicians before them.
Regardless of what went on before, the fact that Trump treated the Saudis wit kid gloves, that Kushner was the architect and instrument of that policy, and that Kushner got a big payday out of it deserves attention.
I don't have any problem whatsoever with investigating whether Kushner's deals were on the up and up. But some accountability for Democrats (and not just the Bidens, but the Clintons and Kerrys as well) that have been compensated for similar consulting work should also be on the table. When it's one side that has been doing all of the investigating and retribution, and the other side's conduct has been buried, that should be offensive.
It does look like that the MSM blew the Hunter Biden story. Shame on them.
The idea that "Russian collusion" was a total fabrication is not something that I remotely accept. Robert Mueller did a workmanlike job and concluded that he could not prove a crime. It is evident, however, that Trump's campaign coordinated with the Russians and would have been more than happy to "collude" with an adversary if it benefited Trump. He repeated that pattern in Ukraine. He then orchestrated a campaign against our core value that ended in him either instigating or condoning a riot that put the lives of elected leaders at risk and encouraged mob rule. Every dime spent investigating him was appropriate. .
Here is the timeline as the WP explains it:Rawhide said:The media didn't "blow it" regarding the laptop story. They intentionally buried it. Frankly, there needs to be an investigation into collusion of the media, big tech, the dnc and the joe biden campaign. The media and big tech did everything they could to influence an election.Booray said:As usual, nothing is good enough except a complete capitulation on every point ever. To which, I am guessing the gracious reply would be "I told you so."Mothra said:You should be offended that the social media autocrats and print media failed to perform their jobs by burying a story that any reasonable investigation would have shown had legs. Instead, they dismissed the story outright as false, and banned anyone from discussing it. You should be offended at the amount of tax dollars that went to a Russian collusion investigation that likewise ended up a total fabrication, bought and paid for by the Clintons. You should be offended by the govt. using its power to perform political witch hunts using the full measure of the law. Those things should be offensive to any American, regardless of political beliefs.Booray said:I have been pretty clear-Hunter Biden should be investigated (and I believe he is being investigated). But to the extent his activities were buried, I am just as offended by that.Mothra said:You are one of the more reasonable left of center posters on this board, so let's stop with the "woe is me" shtick. It's not like you're Huck or LIQR, deranged by all things Trump.Booray said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I told you so.
I get called a partisan hack in the echo chamber all the time. Yet, the mud slingers are the one who just can't take the idea of investigating their golden cow or his family.
But I do think your post is severely lacking in perspective. Let's be clear - we have a Republican admin that has been under "investigation" since before the man took office. And even though that first multi-year investigation turned up diddly squat, the man is STILL under investigation, by the State of New York, the New York DA, the State of Georgia, the DOJ and Congress. So when you suggest there should be yet another investigation of the Trump admin in the interest of "fairness" when the media and your fellow Democrats buried the Hunter Biden story in an effort to get Biden elected, you probably need to keep that in perspective before labeling conservatives hypocrites for not being gung ho about yet another investigation when Hunter Biden (and his dad) continue to skate.
As to the continuing and continual investigations of Trump and his family, there are two ways to look at it. One, there are continuing and continual reasons to investigate them and him, because they are uniquely corrupt. Two, they are not uniquely corrupt as far as politicians go, but they are uniquely open about there corruptness-they just don't play the game like all the corrupt politicians before them.
Regardless of what went on before, the fact that Trump treated the Saudis wit kid gloves, that Kushner was the architect and instrument of that policy, and that Kushner got a big payday out of it deserves attention.
I don't have any problem whatsoever with investigating whether Kushner's deals were on the up and up. But some accountability for Democrats (and not just the Bidens, but the Clintons and Kerrys as well) that have been compensated for similar consulting work should also be on the table. When it's one side that has been doing all of the investigating and retribution, and the other side's conduct has been buried, that should be offensive.
It does look like that the MSM blew the Hunter Biden story. Shame on them.
The idea that "Russian collusion" was a total fabrication is not something that I remotely accept. Robert Mueller did a workmanlike job and concluded that he could not prove a crime. It is evident, however, that Trump's campaign coordinated with the Russians and would have been more than happy to "collude" with an adversary if it benefited Trump. He repeated that pattern in Ukraine. He then orchestrated a campaign against our core value that ended in him either instigating or condoning a riot that put the lives of elected leaders at risk and encouraged mob rule. Every dime spent investigating him was appropriate. .
Its like people forget that Trump was president for four years. If the FBI was corrupt when Trump took power and he found out about it almost immediately, the idea that it was still corrupt four years later falls on him.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
All Trump's show? The FBI and DOJ actually spied on candidate Trump. The FBI was instructed by the upper echelon of the Democratic Party / Deep State to take down Trump and/ or obfuscate. Why this behavior by the FBI is acceptable to anyone, including yourself, is beyond me.
It appears this mission of the FBI has not changed. They should be disbanded. They no longer serve the best interests of the American people. They are corrupt and I don't think it is fixable at this point.
EatMoreSalmon said:
You should also see how calling it Russian disinformation without any evidence should raise concern.
JUST IN - Biden had $5.2 million in unexplained income, an analysis of the president's financial records shows.https://t.co/mu3kkZTKTy
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) April 26, 2022
Doc Holliday said:JUST IN - Biden had $5.2 million in unexplained income, an analysis of the president's financial records shows.https://t.co/mu3kkZTKTy
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) April 26, 2022
'Doesn't look good': Hunter Biden reportedly raked in $11M from overseas biz deals https://t.co/8KplB4WrC8 pic.twitter.com/epVszKsZ3r
— New York Post (@nypost) May 19, 2022
EXCLUSIVE: 'I think you're clear.' Reassuring VOICEMAIL from Joe Biden to Hunter about NY Times report on son's business dealings https://t.co/wIYbVoEUvV
— Daily Mail US (@DailyMail) June 27, 2022
