Sussmann, who worked for Clinton, acquitted of lying to FBI in 2016

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Sussmann, who worked for Clinton, acquitted of lying to FBI in 2016
"Politics were not a factor," the jury forewoman said after a courtroom defeat for special counsel John Durham, appointed three years ago by then-Attorney General William Barr.

A federal jury delivered a major setback to special counsel John Durham on Tuesday, acquitting well-connected lawyer Michael Sussmann on a charge that he lied to the FBI in 2016 while acting on behalf of the Hillary Clinton campaign a trial that sought to revive old controversies about the FBI's role in that election.

The verdict, coming after less than a full day of deliberations spread over parts of Friday and Tuesday, was not a close call or a hard decision, two jurors told The Washington Post.
"Politics were not a factor," the jury forewoman said. "We felt really comfortable being able to share what we thought. We had concise notes and we were able to address the questions together," she said, declining to give her name as she left the courthouse.
"Personally, I don't think it should have been prosecuted," she added, saying the government "could have spent our time more wisely." A second juror told The Post that in the jury room, "everyone pretty much saw it the same way."

Redbrickbear
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"Politics were not a factor," the jury forewoman said


https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-liberal-cities

[Washington D.C. is the second most liberal city in the United States. Washington D.C. has one of the largest LGBTQ populations in the nation and has a strong history of minority activism. The smallest margin victory for a Democratic presidential candidate was 57%. In the most recent presidential election, 91% of Washington D.C. voted Democratic, and only 4% voted Republican]
TWD 1974
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Redbrickbear said:

"Politics were not a factor," the jury forewoman said


https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-liberal-cities

[Washington D.C. is the second most liberal city in the United States. Washington D.C. has one of the largest LGBTQ populations in the nation and has a strong history of minority activism. The smallest margin victory for a Democratic presidential candidate was 57%. In the most recent presidential election, 91% of Washington D.C. voted Democratic, and only 4% voted Republican]
From everything I have read, I am curious why a prosecutor of Durham's caliber would have brought the case forward. The ALFA bank data, the information Sussmann was peddling, had already been looked at by the FBI and had been determined to be not worth pursuing. The Subsequent Mueller investigation never mentions the ALFA bank data. The sole count of the endictment against Sussmann was that he lied to the FBI--a charge that might have gone somewhere (even with a DC Jury) if they had the FBI backing it up. The meeting Sussman asked for was with James Baker, who seemed to have trouble remembering anything about it. Did Hilary, want dirt on Trump? Of course. Sussmann claims that the meeting was a flier he took on his own. We can all roll our eyes on that one, but the burden of proof was not established that he was working from for HIlary or any of his clients when he took the meeting. Despite 3 years, and $3.8million in taxpayer money spent, this case was shockingly weak.
Doc Holliday
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Politics were a massive factor.

The FBI can break the rules and get away with it.
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TWD 74 said:

Redbrickbear said:

"Politics were not a factor," the jury forewoman said


https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-liberal-cities

[Washington D.C. is the second most liberal city in the United States. Washington D.C. has one of the largest LGBTQ populations in the nation and has a strong history of minority activism. The smallest margin victory for a Democratic presidential candidate was 57%. In the most recent presidential election, 91% of Washington D.C. voted Democratic, and only 4% voted Republican]
From everything I have read, I am curious why a prosecutor of Durham's caliber would have brought the case forward. The ALFA bank data, the information Sussmann was peddling, had already been looked at by the FBI and had been determined to be not worth pursuing. The Subsequent Mueller investigation never mentions the ALFA bank data. The sole count of the endictment against Sussmann was that he lied to the FBI--a charge that might have gone somewhere (even with a DC Jury) if they had the FBI backing it up. The meeting Sussman asked for was with James Baker, who seemed to have trouble remembering anything about it. Did Hilary, want dirt on Trump? Of course. Sussmann claims that the meeting was a flier he took on his own. We can all roll our eyes on that one, but the burden of proof was not established that he was working from for HIlary or any of his clients when he took the meeting. Despite 3 years, and $3.8million in taxpayer money spent, this case was shockingly weak.

The critical issue was that Durham was not allowed to enter into evidence the voicemail from Sussman from the 18th in which he says the lie fully and out-loud. But Durham did not discover that evidence until after he had already indicted Sussman for lying in his live statements on the 19th. That little snafu was what doomed the prosecution's case. Sussman is absolutely a liar and did lie to the FBI - just not beyond a reasonable doubt as to the 19th, I guess.
Doc Holliday
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JFC.



4th and Inches
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Just jury nullification, no big deal right
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Osodecentx
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4th and Inches said:

Just jury nullification, no big deal right
Well, you don't believe the FBI either
TWD 1974
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OsoCoreyell said:

TWD 74 said:

Redbrickbear said:

"Politics were not a factor," the jury forewoman said


https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-liberal-cities

[Washington D.C. is the second most liberal city in the United States. Washington D.C. has one of the largest LGBTQ populations in the nation and has a strong history of minority activism. The smallest margin victory for a Democratic presidential candidate was 57%. In the most recent presidential election, 91% of Washington D.C. voted Democratic, and only 4% voted Republican]
From everything I have read, I am curious why a prosecutor of Durham's caliber would have brought the case forward. The ALFA bank data, the information Sussmann was peddling, had already been looked at by the FBI and had been determined to be not worth pursuing. The Subsequent Mueller investigation never mentions the ALFA bank data. The sole count of the endictment against Sussmann was that he lied to the FBI--a charge that might have gone somewhere (even with a DC Jury) if they had the FBI backing it up. The meeting Sussman asked for was with James Baker, who seemed to have trouble remembering anything about it. Did Hilary, want dirt on Trump? Of course. Sussmann claims that the meeting was a flier he took on his own. We can all roll our eyes on that one, but the burden of proof was not established that he was working from for HIlary or any of his clients when he took the meeting. Despite 3 years, and $3.8million in taxpayer money spent, this case was shockingly weak.

The critical issue was that Durham was not allowed to enter into evidence the voicemail from Sussman from the 18th in which he says the lie fully and out-loud. But Durham did not discover that evidence until after he had already indicted Sussman for lying in his live statements on the 19th. That little snafu was what doomed the prosecution's case. Sussman is absolutely a liar and did lie to the FBI - just not beyond a reasonable doubt as to the 19th, I guess.
The voicemail indicates that Sussman was not acting on the part of any client, the same thing he maintained at the meeting. Not sure how the vm would have helped the prosecution unless it contradicts in some way what was said on the 19th. Clinton and campaign lawyers have maintained that they were in accord with Sussman taking the info to the press (not a crime), but that the FBI, in Sept. 2016 was the last place they would have wanted Sussman to go. Lawyers take a flier all the time for their clients, going on there own to situations that client might object to or be embarrassed to be connected with. Very difficult case to win in court, getting around privilege.
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TWD 74 said:

Redbrickbear said:

"Politics were not a factor," the jury forewoman said


https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-liberal-cities

[Washington D.C. is the second most liberal city in the United States. Washington D.C. has one of the largest LGBTQ populations in the nation and has a strong history of minority activism. The smallest margin victory for a Democratic presidential candidate was 57%. In the most recent presidential election, 91% of Washington D.C. voted Democratic, and only 4% voted Republican]
From everything I have read, I am curious why a prosecutor of Durham's caliber would have brought the case forward. The ALFA bank data, the information Sussmann was peddling, had already been looked at by the FBI and had been determined to be not worth pursuing. The Subsequent Mueller investigation never mentions the ALFA bank data. The sole count of the endictment against Sussmann was that he lied to the FBI--a charge that might have gone somewhere (even with a DC Jury) if they had the FBI backing it up. The meeting Sussman asked for was with James Baker, who seemed to have trouble remembering anything about it. Did Hilary, want dirt on Trump? Of course. Sussmann claims that the meeting was a flier he took on his own. We can all roll our eyes on that one, but the burden of proof was not established that he was working from for HIlary or any of his clients when he took the meeting. Despite 3 years, and $3.8million in taxpayer money spent, this case was shockingly weak.

So we blame Durham for bringing this 3.8 mil case, and let all the TDSers in the swam off the hook for the false narrative about the shockingly weak Russian Collusion? I could be wrong but didn't the shockingly weak false narrative bring us to the 3.8. Speaking of caliber how about that 40 mil Mueller Report?
TWD 1974
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CHP Bear said:

TWD 74 said:

Redbrickbear said:

"Politics were not a factor," the jury forewoman said


https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-liberal-cities

[Washington D.C. is the second most liberal city in the United States. Washington D.C. has one of the largest LGBTQ populations in the nation and has a strong history of minority activism. The smallest margin victory for a Democratic presidential candidate was 57%. In the most recent presidential election, 91% of Washington D.C. voted Democratic, and only 4% voted Republican]
From everything I have read, I am curious why a prosecutor of Durham's caliber would have brought the case forward. The ALFA bank data, the information Sussmann was peddling, had already been looked at by the FBI and had been determined to be not worth pursuing. The Subsequent Mueller investigation never mentions the ALFA bank data. The sole count of the endictment against Sussmann was that he lied to the FBI--a charge that might have gone somewhere (even with a DC Jury) if they had the FBI backing it up. The meeting Sussman asked for was with James Baker, who seemed to have trouble remembering anything about it. Did Hilary, want dirt on Trump? Of course. Sussmann claims that the meeting was a flier he took on his own. We can all roll our eyes on that one, but the burden of proof was not established that he was working from for HIlary or any of his clients when he took the meeting. Despite 3 years, and $3.8million in taxpayer money spent, this case was shockingly weak.

So we blame Durham for bringing this 3.8 mil case, and let all the TDSers in the swam off the hook for the false narrative about the shockingly weak Russian Collusion? I could be wrong but didn't the shockingly weak false narrative bring us to the 3.8. Speaking of caliber how about that 40 mil Mueller Report?
Agree, $40mil is a lot of taxpayer money as well. Only, Mueller team, for all of their faults, never failed to come to court with a case, which was more often than not deemed devastating. Durham brings a case where he says the guy lies, but brings no direct evidence to show that what the defendant said was a lie. The only reason Durham brought this case forward was to accommodate Trump. Clearly there was no legal reason.
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I thought Sussmann's billing records showed he billed the time for the FBI meeting to the Clinton campaign.
4th and Inches
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Proud 1992 Alum said:

I thought Sussmann's billing records showed he billed the time for the FBI meeting to the Clinton campaign.
and the usb drives..
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Canada2017
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Prosecutors had a weak case and DC liberalism didn't help.

Verdict was a forgone conclusion .

4th and Inches
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Canada2017 said:

Prosecutors had a weak case and DC liberalism didn't help.

Verdict was a forgone conclusion .


did you see who was on the jury and who the judge was related to/married by? The verdict was a forgone conclusion..
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Well, imagine that!
HuMcK
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Prosecutors resigned when Sussmann was charged, because they knew it was politically motivated. "Such a case would not normally be prosecuted". Just like how prosecutors resigned from the Flynn and Stone cases after Barr started meddling in them to protect Trump. Bill Barr legit might have been the most corrupt AG in the modern era.
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