Time for USA Divorce?

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7:21p, 6/24/22
Should it happen? Arent both sides completely sick of each other? We are closer to civil war than we are getting along with each other. Splitting up into red & blue is so much netter than war.

Would you be fore or against?

I vote yes, separate. The alternatives are ugly. And this way everyone gets what they want.
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7:25p, 6/24/22
Lincoln destroyed that chance for peaceful separation in 1861.

No one gets out of this Union alive.
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7:31p, 6/24/22
How about just let the states decide? Will Dick's pay to relocate employees to a pro-death state?
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7:33p, 6/24/22
No, people in this country need to learn how to disagree and coexist. We all do this pretty well already until you introduce stupid tribal dividing lines and politics.
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8:54p, 6/24/22
I expect liberals to say no. They want to rule everyone with an iron fist.
Conservatives? Time for divorce so everyone can get what they want?
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9:00p, 6/24/22
Totally unrealistic. There's no geographic boundary between red and blue, no line upon which to split.
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9:13p, 6/24/22
Who gets the nukes in this amicable split?
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In reply to Married A Horn • 9:20p, 6/24/22
Married A Horn said:
I expect liberals to say no. They want to rule everyone with an iron fist.
Conservatives? Time for divorce so everyone can get what they want?
How old ARE you?
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 9:21p, 6/24/22
Sam Lowry said:
Totally unrealistic. There's no geographic boundary between red and blue, no line upon which to split.

That is the practical problem yes. In theory I think the idea has merit, probably more than most of us would prefer to admit. In practice there's no reasonable way to make it happen.
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In reply to Married A Horn • 9:21p, 6/24/22
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I expect liberals to say no. They want to rule everyone with an iron fist.
Conservatives? Time for divorce so everyone can get what they want?
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In reply to Married A Horn • 10:12p, 6/24/22
Married A Horn said:
Should it happen? Arent both sides completely sick of each other? We are closer to civil war than we are getting along with each other. Splitting up into red & blue is so much netter than war.

Would you be fore or against?

I vote yes, separate. The alternatives are ugly. And this way everyone gets what they want.
There is going to be another civil war . But it is not going to have clean geographical lines like in 1861 .

Will be far more like the Spanish Civil War of 1936 where the battle lines were initially blurred .....neighborhood to neighborhood . And if you were caught in the 'wrong section' one had to keep a very low profile in order to survive .


Or like the India - Pakistan Partition of 1947....where millions of people fled from one region to another to avoid being massacred by the ethnic majority .
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11:14p, 6/24/22
I know this seems like an unprecedented level of national strife, but that is far from the case. The sad truth is, the nation has been in a pretty high state of conflict over various issues since the founding. Heck, the entire model of our republic is to make sure that it is really hard for anyone group for states to gang up on any other group of states and boss them around. The Senate is quite intentionally not a proportional representative body. The process to amend the Constitution is arduous and requires very broad consensus that has only been achieved 23 times since the founding of the Republic (16 if you "bundle" the amendments that passed at the same time). Heck, we've even had physical violence on the floors of both chambers of Congress.

The good ole days weren't always so happy and peaceful as we'd like to think.
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In reply to ABC BEAR • 11:18p, 6/24/22
ABC BEAR said:
Who gets the nukes in this amicable split?


Bermond.

College Station is responsible for paying the entire national debt.
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11:19p, 6/24/22
If they did it, I would think the west coast and the northeast be blue and the rest be red. Will dis-locate some of course - like everyone in Austin would need to move.
Nukes & Military split. Bases keep what they have and stay where they are.

Adjustments would be made naturally, but nothing compared to war (see ukraine and/or our independence). Those are much more painful adjustments.
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12:16a, 6/25/22
Threads like this are so 2 centuries ago. But sure, go ahead and indulge in your war fantasies.
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In reply to Porteroso • 12:36a, 6/25/22
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Threads like this are so 2 centuries ago. But sure, go ahead and indulge in your war fantasies.
There are many examples of such internal chaos over the last 50 years .

And the US is not immune.






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In reply to Porteroso • 2:26a, 6/25/22
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Threads like this are so 2 centuries ago. But sure, go ahead and indulge in your war fantasies.


He mentioned divorce, not war. You seem to be the one interested in promoting violence.

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4:34a, 6/25/22
Forget splitting the military or nukes, try splitting the National Debt and the heads of the Left will explode. The concept of paying your bills is beyond their comprehension.
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In reply to Married A Horn • 6:43a, 6/25/22
Married A Horn said:
If they did it, I would think the west coast and the northeast be blue and the rest be red. Will dis-locate some of course - like everyone in Austin would need to move.
Nukes & Military split. Bases keep what they have and stay where they are.

Adjustments would be made naturally, but nothing compared to war (see ukraine and/or our independence). Those are much more painful adjustments.
Neither side wants Austin. It is best to try and work things out or risk getting stuck with them
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In reply to Golem • 8:39a, 6/25/22
Golem said:
Porteroso said:
Threads like this are so 2 centuries ago. But sure, go ahead and indulge in your war fantasies.


He mentioned divorce, not war. You seem to be the one interested in promoting violence.


You're talking out the dark end son. Or find me a place where I promoted violence.

Read the rest of the replies if you want to see who brought up violence.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 8:56a, 6/25/22
Sam Lowry said:
Totally unrealistic. There's no geographic boundary between red and blue, no line upon which to split.


Your statement is correct, but only in a binary context.
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In reply to Married A Horn • 9:16a, 6/25/22
Married A Horn said:
Should it happen? Arent both sides completely sick of each other? We are closer to civil war than we are getting along with each other. Splitting up into red & blue is so much netter than war.

Would you be fore or against?

I vote yes, separate. The alternatives are ugly. And this way everyone gets what they want.
I vote no
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In reply to Osodecentx • 9:22a, 6/25/22
Osodecentx said:
Married A Horn said:
Should it happen? Arent both sides completely sick of each other? We are closer to civil war than we are getting along with each other. Splitting up into red & blue is so much netter than war.

Would you be fore or against?

I vote yes, separate. The alternatives are ugly. And this way everyone gets what they want.
I vote no
What are your reasons ?

Really believe this country have avoid a cultural blood bath down the road ?
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In reply to Canada2017 • 10:00a, 6/25/22
Canada2017 said:
Osodecentx said:
Married A Horn said:
Should it happen? Arent both sides completely sick of each other? We are closer to civil war than we are getting along with each other. Splitting up into red & blue is so much netter than war.

Would you be fore or against?

I vote yes, separate. The alternatives are ugly. And this way everyone gets what they want.
I vote no
What are your reasons ?

Really believe this country have avoid a cultural blood bath down the road ?
The calls for a war or a division of states comes from a loud but very, very small group with a social media megaphone. Call 10 of your acquaintances today and ask them if the country should separate into 2 of more countries. I have and nobody I know even understands the question.
The USA has always had regions that were different economically and socially. A few examples come to mind.
Before the Civil War the NE was the population and financial center of the country. The regions were very different
After the Civil War the South was in a Depression for decades. The NE prospered. The regions were very different.
Now the population is moving south and southwest. The NE is socially very different from the south and SW. I won't be telling NYC residents how to live. I think their choices are destructive in the long run, but c'est la vie.

My long term view of the country is pessimistic. I think the country is in irreversible decline because of financial and societal decisions. I just don't believe we divide up before we augur in. See what happens when the grid goes down or the financial system crashes.
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In reply to Osodecentx • 10:02a, 6/25/22
See, I'm suggesting we try something before any of the crash & burn scenarios take place.
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In reply to Osodecentx • 10:15a, 6/25/22
Osodecentx said:
Canada2017 said:
Osodecentx said:
Married A Horn said:
Should it happen? Arent both sides completely sick of each other? We are closer to civil war than we are getting along with each other. Splitting up into red & blue is so much netter than war.

Would you be fore or against?

I vote yes, separate. The alternatives are ugly. And this way everyone gets what they want.
I vote no
What are your reasons ?

Really believe this country have avoid a cultural blood bath down the road ?


My long term view of the country is pessimistic. I think the country is in irreversible decline because of financial and societal decisions. I just don't believe we divide up before we augur in. See what happens when the grid goes down or the financial system crashes.
Thank you for your response .

Agreed...at this point very few Americans would support a division of the country . Very few countries have ever split up peacefully . Usually results in a horrific blood bath as the have nots don't want to lose the financial support of the haves .

Agreed......when ( not if ) the financial collapse occurs ....when food is in short supply......then we will see.
It is unfortunate states can not legally leave the union . Would avoid a lot of senseless killing .
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In reply to Married A Horn • 11:00a, 6/25/22
Married A Horn said:
See, I'm suggesting we try something before any of the crash & burn scenarios take place.
I think it is too late. There is going to be a Reset.
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In reply to Osodecentx • 11:05a, 6/25/22
Osodecentx said:
Canada2017 said:
Osodecentx said:
Married A Horn said:
Should it happen? Arent both sides completely sick of each other? We are closer to civil war than we are getting along with each other. Splitting up into red & blue is so much netter than war.

Would you be fore or against?

I vote yes, separate. The alternatives are ugly. And this way everyone gets what they want.
I vote no
What are your reasons ?

Really believe this country have avoid a cultural blood bath down the road ?
The calls for a war or a division of states comes from a loud but very, very small group with a social media megaphone. Call 10 of your acquaintances today and ask them if the country should separate into 2 of more countries. I have and nobody I know even understands the question.
The USA has always had regions that were different economically and socially. A few examples come to mind.
Before the Civil War the NE was the population and financial center of the country. The regions were very different
After the Civil War the South was in a Depression for decades. The NE prospered. The regions were very different.
Now the population is moving south and southwest. The NE is socially very different from the south and SW. I won't be telling NYC residents how to live. I think their choices are destructive in the long run, but c'est la vie.

My long term view of the country is pessimistic. I think the country is in irreversible decline because of financial and societal decisions. I just don't believe we divide up before we augur in. See what happens when the grid goes down or the financial system crashes.

These questions have been polled from time to time and the numbers, depending on the way the question is worded range between 20-40%.
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11:37a, 6/25/22
Shoving the decision-making process (i.e. "governance") down to the state level will probably accomplish some of the "dividing" the OP mentions. That's where it belongs anyway.
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In reply to drahthaar • 11:40a, 6/25/22
drahthaar said:
Shoving the decision-making process (i.e. "governance") down to the state level will probably accomplish some of the "dividing" the OP mentions. That's where it belongs anyway.


Exactly. National elections would be less contentious had we not departed from our federalist principles.
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In reply to whiterock • 11:51a, 6/25/22
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
Canada2017 said:
Osodecentx said:
Married A Horn said:
Should it happen? Arent both sides completely sick of each other? We are closer to civil war than we are getting along with each other. Splitting up into red & blue is so much netter than war.

Would you be fore or against?

I vote yes, separate. The alternatives are ugly. And this way everyone gets what they want.
I vote no
What are your reasons ?

Really believe this country have avoid a cultural blood bath down the road ?
The calls for a war or a division of states comes from a loud but very, very small group with a social media megaphone. Call 10 of your acquaintances today and ask them if the country should separate into 2 of more countries. I have and nobody I know even understands the question.
The USA has always had regions that were different economically and socially. A few examples come to mind.
Before the Civil War the NE was the population and financial center of the country. The regions were very different
After the Civil War the South was in a Depression for decades. The NE prospered. The regions were very different.
Now the population is moving south and southwest. The NE is socially very different from the south and SW. I won't be telling NYC residents how to live. I think their choices are destructive in the long run, but c'est la vie.

My long term view of the country is pessimistic. I think the country is in irreversible decline because of financial and societal decisions. I just don't believe we divide up before we augur in. See what happens when the grid goes down or the financial system crashes.

These questions have been polled from time to time and the numbers, depending on the way the question is worded range between 20-40%.
I'm not saying my friends & acquaintances are a representative sample of the US population.

Do you have a link to the polls handy. I'm curious how they asked the question
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In reply to Adriacus Peratuun • 12:13p, 6/25/22
Adriacus Peratuun said:
Forget splitting the military or nukes, try splitting the National Debt and the heads of the Left will explode. The concept of paying your bills is beyond their comprehension.
right, R's don't believe in debt
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In reply to Canada2017 • 12:16p, 6/25/22
Canada2017 said:
Osodecentx said:
Canada2017 said:
Osodecentx said:
Married A Horn said:
Should it happen? Arent both sides completely sick of each other? We are closer to civil war than we are getting along with each other. Splitting up into red & blue is so much netter than war.

Would you be fore or against?

I vote yes, separate. The alternatives are ugly. And this way everyone gets what they want.
I vote no
What are your reasons ?

Really believe this country have avoid a cultural blood bath down the road ?


My long term view of the country is pessimistic. I think the country is in irreversible decline because of financial and societal decisions. I just don't believe we divide up before we augur in. See what happens when the grid goes down or the financial system crashes.
Thank you for your response .

Agreed...at this point very few Americans would support a division of the country . Very few countries have ever split up peacefully . Usually results in a horrific blood bath as the have nots don't want to lose the financial support of the haves .

Agreed......when ( not if ) the financial collapse occurs ....when food is in short supply......then we will see.
It is unfortunate states can not legally leave the union . Would avoid a lot of senseless killing .
why do you want states to leave the union? how is that feasible?
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In reply to Canada2017 • 12:16p, 6/25/22
Canada2017 said:
Porteroso said:
Threads like this are so 2 centuries ago. But sure, go ahead and indulge in your war fantasies.
There are many examples of such internal chaos over the last 50 years .

And the US is not immune.






I"m ready for all the examples that are applicable to the United States.
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In reply to Osodecentx • 12:30p, 6/25/22
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The calls for a war or a division of states comes from a loud but very, very small group with a social media megaphone. Call 10 of your acquaintances today and ask them if the country should separate into 2 of more countries. I have and nobody I know even understands the question.
The USA has always had regions that were different economically and socially. A few examples come to mind.
Before the Civil War the NE was the population and financial center of the country. The regions were very different
After the Civil War the South was in a Depression for decades. The NE prospered. The regions were very different.
Now the population is moving south and southwest. The NE is socially very different from the south and SW. I won't be telling NYC residents how to live. I think their choices are destructive in the long run, but c'est la vie.

My long term view of the country is pessimistic. I think the country is in irreversible decline because of financial and societal decisions. I just don't believe we divide up before we augur in. See what happens when the grid goes down or the financial system crashes.
Your 10 acquaintances most likely do not get involved nor really care about the growing division in our country. If they are paying attention they understand the question.

Before the Civil War the NE was taxing the p!ss out of the South.
After the Civil War reconstruction, at the hands of the North, made certain the South was depressed and the North prospered.

The North has screwed themselves so those with any sense at all are moving South.

We need a Civil War. Amicable if possible. I'm sure there will be the usual limp-wristed Antifa/BLM/liberal pukes stirring it up but I think it is the only way to solve our division unless we experience a catastrophic event that wipes out millions of Americans.

I'll help move some of the trash out of Austin/Central Texas.
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