Kneeling on a public field and Jesus' piety

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Waco1947
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If Jesus were to read today's SCOTUS decision allowing a public school coach to pray on field after a game, Jesus wouldn't recognize the religion at issue, given that Jesus taught this (Matthew 6:5-7):
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
#hypocrites #scotus #prayer
In addition, Jesus went in private to pray.
He He taught the lords prayer in private. He prayed in private at the garden of Gethsemane. Coach is simply being a Showboat for Jesus rather than a disciple
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Harrison Bergeron
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Okay. Why do you care? Maybe reach out to him and share your counsel. (I agree, but I am a live and let live guy)
BearN
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Ignore the thumbs up emoji. The OP is a hack.

Here is an article that also incorporates other scriptures instead of cherry picking one out of context and judging the thoughts and intentions of the coach's heart.



https://www.gotquestions.org/public-prayer.html
Waco1947
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Okay. Why do you care? Maybe reach out to him and share your counsel. (I agree, but I am a live and let live guy)
I care because I am a Christian who does not like a public piety that Jesus, clearly, dictates again.
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contrario
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It's amazing the OP is able to know the intentions of the coach. It's even more amazing he knows how Jesus would react to this Supreme Court decision.
Doc Holliday
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Waco1947 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Okay. Why do you care? Maybe reach out to him and share your counsel. (I agree, but I am a live and let live guy)
I care because I am a Christian who does not like a public piety that Jesus, clearly, dictates again.
You assume he prays for show,

He's praying for what's about to unfold in the next 4 quarters.

Why do you keep twisting everything to align with democrat cultism?
Waco1947
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BearN said:

Ignore the thumbs up emoji. The OP is a hack.

Here is an article that also incorporates other scriptures instead of cherry picking one out of context and judging the thoughts and intentions of the coach's heart.



https://www.gotquestions.org/public-prayer.html
The OT passages doesn't support your support your premise because Jesus supersedes the OT. Public prayer in worship is OK and even commended by Paul. No, I am not hack and name calling is not helpful to dialogue and contrary to the Christian principles that you profess, So, would you like to try, again? Thank you.
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Harrison Bergeron
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Waco1947 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Okay. Why do you care? Maybe reach out to him and share your counsel. (I agree, but I am a live and let live guy)
I care because I am a Christian who does not like a public piety that Jesus, clearly, dictates again.
That's why I suggested rather than put on your Pharisee Pants reach out to him and share your POV and advice in Christian Love.
Waco1947
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Waco1947 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Okay. Why do you care? Maybe reach out to him and share your counsel. (I agree, but I am a live and let live guy)
I care because I am a Christian who does not like a public piety that Jesus, clearly, dictates again.
That's why I suggested rather than put on your Pharisee Pants reach out to him and share your POV and advice in Christian Love.
As you reached to me in Christian love? I can still criticize his public piety as out of line with Jesus clear teaching.
Waco1947
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as long as everyone's cool with a coach asking to read/pray from the Koran at midfield too.
Waco1947
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ScruffyD said:

as long as everyone's cool with a coach asking to read/pray from the Koran at midfield too.
So very true but public pray still goes against Jesus' clear teaching.
Waco1947
Doc Holliday
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Waco1947 said:

ScruffyD said:

as long as everyone's cool with a coach asking to read/pray from the Koran at midfield too.
So very true but public pray still goes against Jesus' clear teaching.
No.

Matthew 6:58 has nothing to do with whether we should pray in public or not. This passage is related to the reason we are praying.

What it's saying is don't pray for appearances. If you think this coach is praying for appearances, assert that, don't make up a false interpretation of where one can and can't pray.
BearN
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Waco1947 said:

BearN said:

Ignore the thumbs up emoji. The OP is a hack.

Here is an article that also incorporates other scriptures instead of cherry picking one out of context and judging the thoughts and intentions of the coach's heart.



https://www.gotquestions.org/public-prayer.html
The OT passages doesn't support your support your premise because Jesus supersedes the OT. Public prayer in worship is OK and even commended by Paul. No, I am not hack and name calling is not helpful to dialogue and contrary to the Christian principles that you profess, So, would you like to try, again? Thank you.


Jesus endorsed all of the Law and the Prophets. Try again.

You don't like hack? That WAS me being nice. Scripture has much harsher words for those like you who worship at the altars of Moloch, Gaia, Eros, and Baal.
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Waco1947 said:

If Jesus were to read today's SCOTUS decision allowing a public school coach to pray on field after a game, Jesus wouldn't recognize the religion at issue, given that Jesus taught this (Matthew 6:5-7):
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
#hypocrites #scotus #prayer
In addition, Jesus went in private to pray.
He He taught the lords prayer in private. He prayed in private at the garden of Gethsemane. Coach is simply being a Showboat for Jesus rather than a disciple
Maybe the coach has a different interpretation.
Wangchung
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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Waco1947 said:

If Jesus were to read today's SCOTUS decision allowing a public school coach to pray on field after a game, Jesus wouldn't recognize the religion at issue, given that Jesus taught this (Matthew 6:5-7):
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
#hypocrites #scotus #prayer
In addition, Jesus went in private to pray.
He He taught the lords prayer in private. He prayed in private at the garden of Gethsemane. Coach is simply being a Showboat for Jesus rather than a disciple
Maybe the coach has a different interpretation.

Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
TechDawgMc
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Waco1947 said:

ScruffyD said:

as long as everyone's cool with a coach asking to read/pray from the Koran at midfield too.
So very true but public pray still goes against Jesus' clear teaching.
And yet Jesus prayed in public. So maybe it's your interpretation that's wrong.
BaylorJacket
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As long as people are also okay with a Coach leading a Satanic Temple chant post-game I'm cool with it
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BaylorJacket said:

As long as people are also okay with a Coach leading a Satanic Temple chant post-game I'm cool with it
I think you are wearing your jacket inside-out.
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The Jacket is actually in relation to Georgia Tech - realized after I made it how dumb it sounds lol.
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Waco1947 said:

BearN said:

Ignore the thumbs up emoji. The OP is a hack.

Here is an article that also incorporates other scriptures instead of cherry picking one out of context and judging the thoughts and intentions of the coach's heart.



https://www.gotquestions.org/public-prayer.html
The OT passages doesn't support your support your premise because Jesus supersedes the OT. Public prayer in worship is OK and even commended by Paul. No, I am not hack and name calling is not helpful to dialogue and contrary to the Christian principles that you profess, So, would you like to try, again? Thank you.
I guess the coach interprets scripture differently than that. As you've said in the past, scripture is authoritative, but no one besides each believer is competent to interpret - it's between that believer and Christ, correct?

I'm just confused because your post above seems to imply that some weight should be given to the clear meaning of scripture no matter what interpretation the individual believer is using.
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contrario said:

It's amazing the OP is able to know the intentions of the coach. It's even more amazing he knows how Jesus would react to this Supreme Court decision.
The OP also believes Jesus would approve of abortions .
Harrison Bergeron
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Waco1947 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Waco1947 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Okay. Why do you care? Maybe reach out to him and share your counsel. (I agree, but I am a live and let live guy)
I care because I am a Christian who does not like a public piety that Jesus, clearly, dictates again.
That's why I suggested rather than put on your Pharisee Pants reach out to him and share your POV and advice in Christian Love.
As you reached to me in Christian love? I can still criticize his public piety as out of line with Jesus clear teaching.
What value does criticizing a brother in Christ's personal decision bring to you, him, or the faith community?
contrario
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So let me get this straight, the coach shouldn't have prayed in public, because Jesus wouldn't approve, but we should publicly shame the person on a public message board, because that's what Jesus would do? I'm confused.
TechDawgMc
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BaylorJacket said:

As long as people are also okay with a Coach leading a Satanic Temple chant post-game I'm cool with it
I'm not 100% sure I like the decision, but, yes, it has to apply to any religious practice equally.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Waco1947 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Waco1947 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Okay. Why do you care? Maybe reach out to him and share your counsel. (I agree, but I am a live and let live guy)
I care because I am a Christian who does not like a public piety that Jesus, clearly, dictates again.
That's why I suggested rather than put on your Pharisee Pants reach out to him and share your POV and advice in Christian Love.
As you reached to me in Christian love? I can still criticize his public piety as out of line with Jesus clear teaching.
What value does criticizing a brother in Christ's personal decision bring to you, him, or the faith community?
Brings much desired attention to an old man desperately attempting to fill his empty hours.
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Waco1947 said:

If Jesus were to read today's SCOTUS decision allowing a public school coach to pray on field after a game, Jesus wouldn't recognize the religion at issue, given that Jesus taught this (Matthew 6:5-7):
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
#hypocrites #scotus #prayer
In addition, Jesus went in private to pray.
He He taught the lords prayer in private. He prayed in private at the garden of Gethsemane. Coach is simply being a Showboat for Jesus rather than a disciple


Do you share your idiocy with those who you claim to lead in your so-called church? With each and every post you are a "showboat" for dumbassery, rather than a disciple.
Waco1947
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Doc Holliday said:

Waco1947 said:

ScruffyD said:

as long as everyone's cool with a coach asking to read/pray from the Koran at midfield too.
So very true but public pray still goes against Jesus' clear teaching.
No.

Matthew 6:58 has nothing to do with whether we should pray in public or not. This passage is related to the reason we are praying.

What it's saying is don't pray for appearances. If you think this coach is praying for appearances, assert that, don't make up a false interpretation of where one can and can't pray.
The coach is praying for appearances.
Waco1947
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SIC EM 94 said:

Waco1947 said:

If Jesus were to read today's SCOTUS decision allowing a public school coach to pray on field after a game, Jesus wouldn't recognize the religion at issue, given that Jesus taught this (Matthew 6:5-7):
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
#hypocrites #scotus #prayer
In addition, Jesus went in private to pray.
He He taught the lords prayer in private. He prayed in private at the garden of Gethsemane. Coach is simply being a Showboat for Jesus rather than a disciple


Do you share your idiocy with those who you claim to lead in your so-called church? With each and every post you are a "showboat" for dumbassery, rather than a disciple.
So, name calling is an example of your discipleship?
Waco1947
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TechDawgMc said:

BaylorJacket said:

As long as people are also okay with a Coach leading a Satanic Temple chant post-game I'm cool with it
I'm not 100% sure I like the decision, but, yes, it has to apply to any religious practice equally.
True and apoplexy posters need to calm down and read.
Waco1947
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TechDawgMc said:

Waco1947 said:

ScruffyD said:

as long as everyone's cool with a coach asking to read/pray from the Koran at midfield too.
So very true but public pray still goes against Jesus' clear teaching.
And yet Jesus prayed in public. So maybe it's your interpretation that's wrong.
Show me an example
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OsoCoreyell said:

Waco1947 said:

BearN said:

Ignore the thumbs up emoji. The OP is a hack.

Here is an article that also incorporates other scriptures instead of cherry picking one out of context and judging the thoughts and intentions of the coach's heart.



https://www.gotquestions.org/public-prayer.html
The OT passages doesn't support your support your premise because Jesus supersedes the OT. Public prayer in worship is OK and even commended by Paul. No, I am not hack and name calling is not helpful to dialogue and contrary to the Christian principles that you profess, So, would you like to try, again? Thank you.
I guess the coach interprets scripture differently than that. As you've said in the past, scripture is authoritative, but no one besides each believer is competent to interpret - it's between that believer and Christ, correct?

I'm just confused because your post above seems to imply that some weight should be given to the clear meaning of scripture no matter what interpretation the individual believer is using.
Especially when Jesus says it.
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TechDawgMc
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Waco1947 said:

TechDawgMc said:

Waco1947 said:

ScruffyD said:

as long as everyone's cool with a coach asking to read/pray from the Koran at midfield too.
So very true but public pray still goes against Jesus' clear teaching.
And yet Jesus prayed in public. So maybe it's your interpretation that's wrong.
Show me an example
He prays in front of the disciples, he prays on the cross, he does some kind of blessing of food regularly (though that might not have been an actual prayer), he stops to give thanks to God before doing things.
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Waco1947 said:

If Jesus were to read today's SCOTUS decision allowing a public school coach to pray on field after a game, Jesus wouldn't recognize the religion at issue, given that Jesus taught this (Matthew 6:5-7):
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
#hypocrites #scotus #prayer
In addition, Jesus went in private to pray.
He He taught the lords prayer in private. He prayed in private at the garden of Gethsemane. Coach is simply being a Showboat for Jesus rather than a disciple


So I take it as a pastor you don't pray in church and don't approve of pastors praying in front of the congregation?
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Waco1947 said:

Doc Holliday said:

Waco1947 said:

ScruffyD said:

as long as everyone's cool with a coach asking to read/pray from the Koran at midfield too.
So very true but public pray still goes against Jesus' clear teaching.
No.

Matthew 6:58 has nothing to do with whether we should pray in public or not. This passage is related to the reason we are praying.

What it's saying is don't pray for appearances. If you think this coach is praying for appearances, assert that, don't make up a false interpretation of where one can and can't pray.
The coach is praying for appearances.
You think Jesus would be ok with you assuming that?
Waco1947
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TechDawgMc said:

Waco1947 said:

TechDawgMc said:

Waco1947 said:

ScruffyD said:

as long as everyone's cool with a coach asking to read/pray from the Koran at midfield too.
So very true but public pray still goes against Jesus' clear teaching.
And yet Jesus prayed in public. So maybe it's your interpretation that's wrong.
Show me an example
He prays in front of the disciples, he prays on the cross, he does some kind of blessing of food regularly (though that might not have been an actual prayer), he stops to give thanks to God before doing things.
All those are worship or meals and ostentatious like this coach
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