RMF5630 said:
whiterock said:
Oldbear83 said:
RMF5630 said:
Canada2017 said:
J.R. said:
Again, you MAGA clowns.... I'm just a simple guy. Here is what Trumpy has deliver for you guys. He lost, the Presidency , lost the Congress, lost the Senate and presided over the Red Wave that wasn't and he gives you Lake (she cray) and Hershel (he dumb). Nice that this is what Trump has delivered! pathetic . Go away, Fat Orange!
Fat Orange is just getting warmed up .
As Trump fades into political obscurity…..he will do everything possible to 'revenge ' himself on the Republican Party .
Going to be epic .
Oh, Yeah, he is going to go Sherman's March to the Sea on the US. He is done. The best we can hope for is one of the charges against him to stick and eliminate him from running
Hell no. Charging Trump makes him a martyr and would embolden Democrats to get charges placed against anyone they feared.
Trump goes away when no one responds to him. Your plan is 'pour gas on fire'.
if we let Dems get by with defeating Trump by indicting him on all kinds of contrived charges, why would they not use the same tactic on Ron DeSantis in 2024? It's not like pushing back against wokeness isn't without legal risk.....
And why, if successful with Trump, would Garland not do the same to stop Glenn Youngkin from getting re-elected? Or Kemp from defeating Ossoff in a Senate race?
The threat to democracy is a sitting AG personally signing an order, after publicly reported pressure from the WH, to raid the personal residence of a former POTUS over a question of document custody....DURING an election, for the purposes of ensuring that unpopular former POTUS would be an issue in the election. It's a breath-taking breach of political ethos.
We are, after all, Republicans,. Therefore, we are obligated to sit and take it.
At some point, the GOP has to take a stand. Do they back Trump and his crap or NOT. It is real simple and last week brought the question to a head. If the GOP goes into 24 like this, running these types of candidates. Dems will win again. Got to move to the center, not be in the center but move off of the ultra far right.
With respect, you are completely off target. The biggest part of the problem we face has not been discussed in these threads. And there is plenty of blame to go around within our party.
I spoke yesterday with a long-time political friend who is Ex.Dir. for one of the largest conservative PACs in the country = 180m voter contacts this cycle. I had hoped to be able to speak with him while driving to DFW to catch a flight, but as things go...he was in a meeting, texted me back....and when he called back I was literally on the gangway boarding the plane, so we had a very compressed conversation. Given time constraints, I focused on what I thought were the key 2-3 issues.
Q: I am less concerned Biden or Fetterman or Katie Hobbs won their races than I am that they didn't even bother to campaign. Keeping Fetterman and Biden hidden had some justification, but Hobbs? In a hotly contested purple state? Is the Dem machine so good it can elect a notional candidate?
Answer: That is exactly it. Dems have built a machine of ostensibly non-partisan 501c3's organized around "get out the vote" activities, but in fact they only chase and organize key Democrat constituencies. Yes, we have such activities on the right (my friend's organization being one of them). But Dem efforts DWARF our own. They are spending nearly a billion dollars a cycle in just 7-8 states. They micro-target (a science invented by one K. Rove) very narrowly, just a few hundred thousand voters. Like "single, unmarried women." They use public data lists to find those voters, register them to vote. Then to talk to them, to make sure they get emails & texts on latest news that speaks to that voter's narrow concerns. Then, they help them get signed up to vote by mail, or reminded to vote early, or to vote on election day. $50m a year in GA, grinding a way to build up a bank of voters.
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remember what I said earlier...."you have to find your voters, talk to them, and mobilize them to vote.)
Dems raise the money to do this from mostly corporate donors: Google. Facebook, etc.... This money does not appear in published direct/indirect spending comparisons. (like below)
Q) So what's the hinderance to matching that on our side:
Most GOP donors want to give to candidates or McConnell, as a direct contribution. That gives them access for dialogue on legislation. When asked to direct some/all of their charitable donations to 501c3's to organize voters.....they just waive it off...."I've given enough." He mentioned one corporation in particular that gives most of its charity to the Girl Scouts. Fine cause, for sure. How many of us have had daughters who benefited from that organization? But Dems will routinely scale back the true charity for political activism. Not so Republicans. (
comment: Republican businessmen are, as a rule, HORRIBLE at politics. There are exceptions, for sure, but they look at political capital the say way they look at financial capital, when in fact the two are wildly different things Cutting deals to get stuff done is good business, they think; standing on principle to fight for what you believe in is just not something a businessman can do. There is a balance sheet and an income statement that provide hard parameters for what is possible in business. The idea that the Overton Window is not set in concrete but is in fact a rubber thing that can be stretched and moved around is a concept they just wave off as nonsense.)I could go on.....
Bottom line is, the case that Tuesday results were caused by MAGA is just wildly contrived. A primary endorsement is hardly the totality of a campaign. Trump's win/loss record outclasses that of any modern contemporary.
In being tough on Trump, we cannot spare the RNC. If, as sombear indicated, we really did hit the metrics the GOP machine in WDC thought we needed to hit, didn't the result clearly show the GOP machine was working inadequate metrics? (the Romney 2012 problem). And McConnell. Spending millions & millions in Alaska in a race where only a Republican could win, rather than dumping all that money into NV. Or into NH. Or into AZ..... You know, there can few better winks & nods to hard & soft money than to watch where the Leader spends and go thusly. So is it only Trump that starved off money from some of these campaigns?
We cannot get distracted with what we WANT the problem to be. (Trump or Establishment). We have to calm down and get granular repairs & constructions to win in 2024. That's what makes the Desantis win so intriguing. He's onto something.
My friend and I discussed Desantis a bit.
Q) Does Desantis understand that MAGA has to be wooed rather than cudgeled?
Answer: Indeed. Not only does he seem to be the only one who understands that, he's probably the only one who can do that.
Q) How good is his team? (consultants, etc.....)
Answer: The best, by far. Just as good as the candidate himself.
Q) Is Trump working the problem?
Answer: (Chuckle). Yes and no. He's always working. But he and his team see the task as one of brand identity. Everything serves that. And the poking & backstabbing he's gotten has only made him more distrustful of establishments not actually on his payroll.
