Pam Manhart said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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PA just elected an incompetent vegetable.

They'll get what they voted for.

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And then move here

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It is what locusts do. Destroy a healthy field and move to the next.

In other nuttiness, California, a state that legalized recreational marijuana use, has banned the sale of flavored tobacco products. So California voters and politicians are cool with a recreational drug that lowers the IQ, increases the risk of depression, psychosis and suicide, and generally has an ill effect on mental health, but a product that causes lip cancer is beyond the pale. SMH.

whiterock said:

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EX: Exit polling is clear that Threat To Democracy and Abortion were huge issues with thoe who voted.

Are those key issues with voters at large? Was all the polling about inflation and economy wrong?

no.

Remember what I said many times: a pollster has to poll the people who actually vote.

A majority of voters think inflation and the economy ARE the big issues.
but those voters didn't show up and vote.

A smaller number of voters think abortion and threats to democracy are the big issues.
but those voters are who showed up and voted.


Every election is a base election.
If you do not turn out your own base, the independents don't matter a damned bit.

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You can't win elections with just your base. Nominating Trump might fire up his base of support, but he would be unlikely to pull enough support from outside of his base to win.

Dems are far more clear sighted and ruthless than Republicans.

Biden will get the boot by Dem power brokers ( along with a golden parachute of overinflated speaking fees and book deals ).

The governor of California will be Dem nominee for president in 2024.

Count on it .

If Trump runs, just go ahead and give the election to the Democrats in 24. That's the worst idea ever.

Booray said:

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In the same way, the Democratic Party needed a wake-up call it did not get last night. The results increase the chance that Joe Biden will lead the ticket against Ron Desantis. If that happens you will get your red wave two years late.

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these elections are a precursor to what the future holds. A Voting populace that doesn't care about results, but cares about what they're fed by the media. The media that's increasingly leaning hard left.

If you've ever studied radical leftism from last century, communists blamed the opposition all the way to them starving to death, in the face of their leftist leaders causing all the problems. Gulag prisoners were blaming their political opposition all the way to be taken out and shot in the back of the head by their leftist government.

This is what happens to the human psyche when you believe in people claiming they can create Utopia by destroying an evil boogeyman.

The American left is going to eat up what they're told in the face of economic destruction and won't budge, so long as the left continues to control big tech and information.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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J.R. said:

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Cobretti said:

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Your tax dollars paid for this headline https://t.co/N00oVIp9mF

— Sunny McSunnyface (@sunnyright) November 8, 2022

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That Lake is one crazy biatch.

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You Sir, don't seem to have a conservative bone in your body.

Were you taken aback at all by your President's shut down the coal industry and no more drilling comments this past week? I would think most oil and gas people would not be happy with them. But not you.

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I am very conservative on fiscal issues. However, this crazy women is part of the "lunatic fringe" via Trump. How'd that all work out last night? Trumpians and Trump got their ass kicked.

J.R. said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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J.R. said:

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Cobretti said:

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Your tax dollars paid for this headline https://t.co/N00oVIp9mF

— Sunny McSunnyface (@sunnyright) November 8, 2022

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That Lake is one crazy biatch.

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You Sir, don't seem to have a conservative bone in your body.

Were you taken aback at all by your President's shut down the coal industry and no more drilling comments this past week? I would think most oil and gas people would not be happy with them. But not you.

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I am very conservative on fiscal issues. However, this crazy women is part of the "lunatic fringe" via Trump. How'd that all work out last night? Trumpians and Trump got their ass kicked.

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Kari Lake is now 11k votes behind Katie Hobbs with 68% of the vote in. There is a still a good chance she wins.

Canada2017 said:

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whiterock said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Mothra said:

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Booray said:

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In the same way, the Democratic Party needed a wake-up call it did not get last night. The results increase the chance that Joe Biden will lead the ticket against Ron Desantis. If that happens you will get your red wave two years late.

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Perhaps, but I fear that both parties are so entrenched in their ideology, didn't nobody has learned anything from last night. I hope I am wrong. It would be great if the Trump sycophants realized they are backing a self aggrandizing narcissist who only cares about himself. Likewise it would be nice if Democrats realize that woke policies are very bad for the country.

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Booray is correct.

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Just to be clear, you no longer think it's going to be Trump but instead DeSantis that's the republican nominee?

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Too early to tell. DeSantis REALLY helped his case.

Trump's mistake was not going out balls to the wall on the campaign trail. It's not like the outcome could have been any worse. All it did was leave the door open for DeSantis to shine. And boy did he.

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Trump is political poison to all but his hard core base.

After last nights results…..it could not be any clearer .

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100%. In addition to his personality, Trump's inability to learn and adapt with new information is his downfall. His inability to move on from the 2020 election steal story should be his ultimately downfall.

I think there will be enough Republicans that will see that and move on from him, especially with DeSantis in the wings.

He cost the Republicans the Senate in 2020.
He cost the Republicans the Senate in 2022.

The clear results from last night:
Republicans did well with good candidates in strong Biden districts.
Republicans did poorly with bad candidates in slight Biden or Trump districts.

Unlike Democrats, Republicans will vote the candidate. Remember that.

JXL said:

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whiterock said:

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EX: Exit polling is clear that Threat To Democracy and Abortion were huge issues with thoe who voted.

Are those key issues with voters at large? Was all the polling about inflation and economy wrong?

no.

Remember what I said many times: a pollster has to poll the people who actually vote.

A majority of voters think inflation and the economy ARE the big issues.
but those voters didn't show up and vote.

A smaller number of voters think abortion and threats to democracy are the big issues.
but those voters are who showed up and voted.


Every election is a base election.
If you do not turn out your own base, the independents don't matter a damned bit.

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You can't win elections with just your base. Nominating Trump might fire up his base of support, but he would be unlikely to pull enough support from outside of his base to win.

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The results from last night directly refute that conclusion.

SOME elections are choice elections, where wooing independents is the key.
SOME elections are base elections, where there isn't much middle ground and victory lies in turning out your base.

As long as we remain an evenly divided electorate, building a strategy of chasing 3% of the voting public least likely to vote is the road to oblivion. If you cannot fire up your own base to come boiling out to vote, you are not going to inspire independents to come boiling out to vote either.

Democrats campaigned solely within their base. They spoke primarily to the J6 faithful and the abortion on demand faithful....and they got a bigger turnout of their base than Republicans did.

The exception is.....FL.

DeSantis did not moderate his position to appeal to moderates. He pounded his opponent into a greasy spot on the ground. "....where woke comes to die....." And who was his opponent? Exactly the type of shape-shifting moderate that the GOP base is told we must have.

You build a coalition by defeating your opponent.

What I don't get and never had about elections is how we can spend millions or billions of dollars for bridges to nowhere, to send to other countries, etc. but we can't spend money to solve long election lines.

I never made it to vote early and went yesterday. The place had 6 machines. 6. In a polling location intended to serve several thousand voters. And I know the last place I lived it was always similar. Maybe 10 machines max at that location. It seems there should be a lot more machines at every location.

And better ones than the stupid dial to highlight what you want.

Mothra said:

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JXL said:

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whiterock said:

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EX: Exit polling is clear that Threat To Democracy and Abortion were huge issues with thoe who voted.

Are those key issues with voters at large? Was all the polling about inflation and economy wrong?

no.

Remember what I said many times: a pollster has to poll the people who actually vote.

A majority of voters think inflation and the economy ARE the big issues.
but those voters didn't show up and vote.

A smaller number of voters think abortion and threats to democracy are the big issues.
but those voters are who showed up and voted.


Every election is a base election.
If you do not turn out your own base, the independents don't matter a damned bit.

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You can't win elections with just your base. Nominating Trump might fire up his base of support, but he would be unlikely to pull enough support from outside of his base to win.

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Exactly. That's what the Trumpists completely miss. One would have thought the last election would have clued them in that Trump is toxic outside his base. But for some reason, they view his rabid following among a large segment of Republicans as proof that he can win a general election. It makes absolutely no sense, and has no logic to it.

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It has to it exactly the logic DeSantis used to win his race 60-40. He did not meet anyone in the middle. His acceptance speech was defiant, combative, in-your-face "we fought for our ideas, destroyed yours, and will carry on that good work...." And I loved it.

DeSantis does not prove Trumpism wrong.
DeSantis proves Trumpism is right.

It's just that he might be a more effective spokesman for Trumpism than Trump himself.

whiterock said:

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JXL said:

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whiterock said:

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EX: Exit polling is clear that Threat To Democracy and Abortion were huge issues with thoe who voted.

Are those key issues with voters at large? Was all the polling about inflation and economy wrong?

no.

Remember what I said many times: a pollster has to poll the people who actually vote.

A majority of voters think inflation and the economy ARE the big issues.
but those voters didn't show up and vote.

A smaller number of voters think abortion and threats to democracy are the big issues.
but those voters are who showed up and voted.


Every election is a base election.
If you do not turn out your own base, the independents don't matter a damned bit.

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You can't win elections with just your base. Nominating Trump might fire up his base of support, but he would be unlikely to pull enough support from outside of his base to win.

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The results from last night directly refute that conclusion.

SOME elections are choice elections, where wooing independents is the key.
SOME elections are base elections, where there isn't much middle ground and victory lies in turning out your base.

As long as we remain an evenly divided electorate, building a strategy of chasing 3% of the voting public least likely to vote is the road to oblivion. If you cannot fire up your own base to come boiling out to vote, you are not going to inspire independents to come boiling out to vote either.

Democrats campaigned solely within their base. They spoke primarily to the J6 faithful and the abortion on demand faithful....and they got a bigger turnout of their base than Republicans did.

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That's not entirely accurate either. A number of Dems that won last night ran from the woke policies their party embraced. In other words, they moderated their positions in order to woo independents who didn't subscribe to the wokeism that has infected their side.

I generally agree with you that you have to fire up the base to turn out. The problem is, Trump is so toxic outside of his base, he inspires people to vote against him.

whiterock said:

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Mothra said:

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JXL said:

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whiterock said:

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EX: Exit polling is clear that Threat To Democracy and Abortion were huge issues with thoe who voted.

Are those key issues with voters at large? Was all the polling about inflation and economy wrong?

no.

Remember what I said many times: a pollster has to poll the people who actually vote.

A majority of voters think inflation and the economy ARE the big issues.
but those voters didn't show up and vote.

A smaller number of voters think abortion and threats to democracy are the big issues.
but those voters are who showed up and voted.


Every election is a base election.
If you do not turn out your own base, the independents don't matter a damned bit.

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You can't win elections with just your base. Nominating Trump might fire up his base of support, but he would be unlikely to pull enough support from outside of his base to win.

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Exactly. That's what the Trumpists completely miss. One would have thought the last election would have clued them in that Trump is toxic outside his base. But for some reason, they view his rabid following among a large segment of Republicans as proof that he can win a general election. It makes absolutely no sense, and has no logic to it.

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It has to it exactly the logic DeSantis used to win his race 60-40. He did not meet anyone in the middle. His acceptance speech was defiant, combative, in-your-face "we fought for our ideas, destroyed yours, and will carry on that good work...." And I loved it.

DeSantis does not prove Trumpism wrong.
DeSantis proves Trumpism is right.

It's just that he might be a more effective spokesman for Trumpism than Trump himself.

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All of the polls suggest that DeSantis had a large segment of independents who voted for him, and not just his base. The question is why? I believe it's because DeSantis was a very effective communicator who was able to effectively point out the dangers of wokeism run amok. DeSantis was able to characterize his election as a fight against wokeism, not Crist, who is a moderate Dem. And that resonated not just with his base, but independents and moderate Dems who have seen their party go way too far to the left. DeSantis greatly benefited from the Dems turn to wokeism.

I agree with you he was combative, which I loved as well, and wished I would see more from Republican candidates. But I wouldn't call that Trumpism. DeSantis wasn't petty in his political battles. They had a purpose. That's because DeSantis is much smarter than the doofus, Trump, and lacks the toxicity that Trump possesses. Trump lacks the ability to control his worst impulses, and was needlessly combative with anyone who he deemed to have crossed him. And that has turned off Americans in large numbers.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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J.R. said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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J.R. said:

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Cobretti said:

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Your tax dollars paid for this headline https://t.co/N00oVIp9mF

— Sunny McSunnyface (@sunnyright) November 8, 2022

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That Lake is one crazy biatch.

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You Sir, don't seem to have a conservative bone in your body.

Were you taken aback at all by your President's shut down the coal industry and no more drilling comments this past week? I would think most oil and gas people would not be happy with them. But not you.

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I am very conservative on fiscal issues. However, this crazy women is part of the "lunatic fringe" via Trump. How'd that all work out last night? Trumpians and Trump got their ass kicked.

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I did not ask you about Trump. I asked you your opinion on Biden's war on oil & gas and the coal industry. You need to let Trump go.

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It's almost like JR thinks the Dems have no lunatic fringe of their own.

It's Wed morning and AZ has only counted 70% of the votes. Are they using a nursing home review board?

I believe that Florida counted 70% of the vote in the first hour. Amazing that sometimes government can do things right.

And honestly, only in government can the Secretary of State oversee her own election results for Governor.

You can't even have your brother work with you at Walmart for worries of corruption/nepotism in the private sector.