House Speaker Vote

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Mitch Blood Green
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Jack Bauer said:

She seems lovely...




She may be a piece but are we to believe a one term house member will be elevated to Speaker?

If McCarthy stepped down, will Jordan get a serious look? Yes. Scalise? (Will likely become speaker. Donalds? I don't see 5 votes.
HuMcK
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If they do that, they should demand a steep price for it. It's a catch-22 for McCarthy (and why I think he will never use this option). If he gets in with Dem votes he is essentially a lame duck the day he becomes Speaker. If he gets in with right fringe votes (meaning he gave in to their demands that hobble him), he will also be a lame duck the day he becomes Speaker.
4th and Inches
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J.B.Katz said:

The Boston Globe's headline take is accurate:

"Frankenstein created a bunch of mini-Frankensteins': With GOP speaker battle, Trump loses control of Trumpism"
not really, populism is a movement and not a person.. if it is a person, thats bad.

The speaker battle is a micro of the marco.. a fractured GOP
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Jack Bauer said:

She seems lovely...




She may be a piece but are we to believe a one term house member will be elevated to Soeaker?

If McCarthy stepped down, will ajordan get a serious look? Yes. Scalise? (Will likely become speaker. Donalds? I don't see 5 votes.
It's not about whether he will but he has the right to be given the opportunity. The Dems used Obama in a similar manner and it worked out well for them.
“The Internet is just a world passing around notes in a classroom.”

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ATL Bear
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whiterock said:

ATL Bear said:

This isn't draining the swamp. This is just preferring the moccasin to the alligator.
Fair point.

There has to be an element of personality involved in this fight, making it larger than just the rules, the agenda, the legislation. It's not just McCarthy is too moderate; it's just McCarthy.

Definitely feels personal vs policy.
Mothra
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C. Jordan said:

How sad.

Changing the conversation from the Republican crash to Adam Schiff.

The "Twitter Files" have largely been a dud.

I don't blame some of you for trying to change the subject.

But on the most important issue at hand, though this situation is of their own making, the current fight by the Chaos Caucus is bad for the country. It's also the inevitable fruit of Donald Trump.

Bowing the knee to Trump led to a weak Republican showing in the midterms.

The weak showing led to a narrow Republican majority in the House.

The narrow majority empowered the bomb-throwers.

The bomb-throwers are holding not only the House but also America hostage.

Those who are saying this is somehow a good look for Republicans are putting lipstick on a pig.

This is also a good illustration of the old saying that the only people conservatives hate more than liberals are their fellow conservatives.
Got to be honest - if a liberal partisan hack such as yourself is upset over this, I am not unhappy.

And hilarious that your only retort to Schiff's attempt to suppress speech is, well look at how bad those Republicans are!

You're as predictable as the sunrise.
Mothra
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J.B.Katz said:

The Boston Globe's headline take is accurate:

"Frankenstein created a bunch of mini-Frankensteins': With GOP speaker battle, Trump loses control of Trumpism"
See post above.

Always good when the liberal partisan hacks are upset about something.
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HuMcK said:

If they do that, they should demand a steep price for it. It's a catch-22 for McCarthy (and why I think he will never use this option). If he gets in with Dem votes he is essentially a lame duck the day he becomes Speaker. If he gets in with right fringe votes (meaning he gave in to their demands that hobble him), he will also be a lame duck the day he becomes Speaker.

If McCarthy just wants the speakership so he can force through more tax cuts for corporations, more funding for the immoral Ukraine proxy war, while refusing to secure the border and stop mass illegal immigration....then he should be hobbled for the good of the Nation.
Mitch Blood Green
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4th and Inches said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Jack Bauer said:

She seems lovely...




She may be a piece but are we to believe a one term house member will be elevated to Soeaker?

If McCarthy stepped down, will ajordan get a serious look? Yes. Scalise? (Will likely become speaker. Donalds? I don't see 5 votes.
It's not about whether he will but he has the right to be given the opportunity. The Dems used Obama in a similar manner and it worked out well for them.


Me? Vote him in. I'd love a black speaker and an example for black kids to aspire to.

As for him being given the opportunity? He's not really being given an opportunity. What is happening is a fight in the Republican Party between the majority and a small minority. He's a good story and has allowed himself to be a placeholder (if you will) until the minority gets more concessions OR McCarthy steps down.

If Kevin steps down. Does he get to 21 votes?

More realistic is that in 4 to 6 years, this puts him in a position to get real consideration.
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Redbrickbear said:

HuMcK said:

If they do that, they should demand a steep price for it. It's a catch-22 for McCarthy (and why I think he will never use this option). If he gets in with Dem votes he is essentially a lame duck the day he becomes Speaker. If he gets in with right fringe votes (meaning he gave in to their demands that hobble him), he will also be a lame duck the day he becomes Speaker.

If McCarthy just wants the speakership so he can force through more tax cuts for corporations, more funding for the immoral Ukraine proxy war, while refusing to secure the border and stop mass illegal immigration....then he should be hobbled for the good of the Nation.
Yes apparently the holdouts requested a change in rules so that bills be read before voted on and that a term limits bill would reach the floor for a vote. Apparently Kevin isn't interested in any of that. I wonder how long we could go without a functioning HOR? It might be worth finding out. All they seem to be able to do is fleece the taxpayers and enrich themselves.
Sam Lowry
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4th and Inches said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Jack Bauer said:

She seems lovely...




She may be a piece but are we to believe a one term house member will be elevated to Soeaker?

If McCarthy stepped down, will ajordan get a serious look? Yes. Scalise? (Will likely become speaker. Donalds? I don't see 5 votes.
It's not about whether he will but he has the right to be given the opportunity. The Dems used Obama in a similar manner and it worked out well for them.
No one has the right to be second in line to the presidency. It should be earned. Say what you will about McCarthy, but he's an experienced politician as well as a prodigious fundraiser and recruiter. It was his leadership that helped Republicans buck the predictions and win seats in 2020. Donalds is a newbie whose most notable achievement appears to be a felony bribery charge from 2000.
HuMcK
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You left out their demand for the ability to call a no-confidence vote against the Speaker by only one Representative (McCarthy already caved to a 5 Rep threshold, now they want 1). McCarthy gave them what they wanted on one-subject bills, germaneness rules, and plum appointments to the Rules Committee (meaning a small subset of 20ish radicals would control on of the more powerful committees in the House).

Don't act like they are negotiating in good faith, because they aren't.
BearFan33
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HuMcK said:

You left out their demand for the ability to call a no-confidence vote against the Speaker by only one Representative (McCarthy already caved to a 5 Rep threshold, now they want 1). McCarthy gave them what they wanted on one-subject bills, germaneness rules, and plum appointments to the Rules Committee (meaning a small subset of 20ish radicals would control on of the more powerful committees in the House).

Don't act like they are negotiating in good faith, because they aren't.
The one representative thing (if true) is unreasonable.
Osodecentx
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Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Osodecentx said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Osodecentx said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

She seems lovely...


This must be all the new hate speech twatter is allowing - that's what Shifty Shiff told us.


What did Schif tell us?
He made one of his usual dumbass claims without facts that hate speech was exponential increasing on twatter.
Link? Will you tell us what he said?
Shifty Shiff also was exposed by twatter emails for attempting to fascistically have twatter remove people he did not like ... oddly even the little brownshirts at twatter did not think enough of him to comply (I think he was the only one).

So you say
Link?









Thanks. Schiff's response is bad and should be condemned.
Osodecentx
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Osodecentx said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Osodecentx said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

She seems lovely...


This must be all the new hate speech twatter is allowing - that's what Shifty Shiff told us.


What did Schif tell us?
He made one of his usual dumbass claims without facts that hate speech was exponential increasing on twatter.
Link? Will you tell us what he said?
Shifty Shiff also was exposed by twatter emails for attempting to fascistically have twatter remove people he did not like ... oddly even the little brownshirts at twatter did not think enough of him to comply (I think he was the only one).
Redbrick posted the link.
Sam Lowry
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Mothra said:

J.B.Katz said:

The Boston Globe's headline take is accurate:

"Frankenstein created a bunch of mini-Frankensteins': With GOP speaker battle, Trump loses control of Trumpism"
See post above.

Always good when the liberal partisan hacks are upset about something.
I assure you they are not. This is more fun for liberals than a Portlandia binge with popcorn.
Osodecentx
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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

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Lol. From the guy whose preferred candidate for Speaker could not get the votes after three attempts.
I don't have a preferred candidate. It's your party and your **** show.


Then stop complaining that a handful of conservative insurgents are standing against Kevin McCarthy. Not your fight.
Our Andy McCarthy no relation to the aspiring speaker points out that if twelve House Republicans voted "present," New York Democrat Hakeem Jeffries could be elected speaker. That scenario is unlikely, but there was a report yesterday that "Reps. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Lauren Boebert (R-CO) and Scott Perry (R-PA) told Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) that they don't mind if the speaker vote goes to plurality and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) is elected because they will fight him"

In other words, at least a handful of House Republicans are saying they're fine with a Democratic speaker and Democrats effectively controlling the House, despite the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections. Note that these are exactly the kinds of Republicans who call each other "RINO," contend that other Republicans aren't tough enough or smart enough, and simply believe that others aren't willing to do what it takes to win.
Right now, in the House, the GOP is a nominal or technical majority party with a large faction which has no interest in acting like a majority. They may well be happier being in the minority.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/what-the-speaker-fight-says-about-the-republican-party/


I think I mentioned a scenario like this to you in another thread……just a scenario, at this point.


I believe your concern was moderate Republicans cutting a deal that resulted in a Democrat Speaker. This scenario is the Gaetz/Boebert group doing a kamikazie which results in a Democrat Speaker
That's not the way I read "goes to plurality." Far more likely that mods crossover to cut some kind of deal with Dems to get enough votes for McCarthy or some other moderate Republican, offering up rules more favorable to the minority, promised legislation, one or more committee chairmanships. There is a template for that kind of structure = the Texas legislature. The organizer of such effort is invariably.....the speaker.

Think about motive. The only viable reason to cross over to Dems is to gain the speakership........
Motive would be to create chaos in which the dead enders prosper. Nobody knew who these people were 1 week ago. Now that there is chaos, they are getting hours of air time and notoriety.
The process would be to not vote for anyone, thus lowering the threshold vote necessary to be elected Speaker.

note they actually said it: That scenario is unlikely, but there was a report yesterday that "Reps. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Lauren Boebert (R-CO) and Scott Perry (R-PA) told Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) that they don't mind if the speaker vote goes to plurality and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) is elected because they will fight him"
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Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

J.B.Katz said:

The Boston Globe's headline take is accurate:

"Frankenstein created a bunch of mini-Frankensteins': With GOP speaker battle, Trump loses control of Trumpism"
See post above.

Always good when the liberal partisan hacks are upset about something.
I assure you they are not. This is more fun for liberals than a Portlandia binge with popcorn.
Its fun for them to watch a political party have real democracy and debate vs their semi-tyrannical party machine that allows no votes and decides everything from leadership to policy behind closed doors?

Well I bet it is fun for them to watch a real debate take place.
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https://www.theamericanconservative.com/scalping-a-hopeful-speaker/


[McCarthy, despite some members of his caucus decrying his corporate and swampy ways, was well-positioned to become the next speaker, but Republican underperformance in the 2022 midterm elections outside of Florida and New York gave the anti-McCarthy movement the traction it needed to fight his speakership.

Republicans' failure to seize the moment left the caucus with a razor-thin majority. On Tuesday, the 118th Congress was divided between 222 Republicans and 212 Democrats, despite Republicans winning the midterm popular vote by nearly 3 percentage points. And McCarthy needed almost every vote from the Republican members to secure the Speaker's gavel. But five Republican representatives, Rep. Bob Good from Virginia, Rep. Matt Rosendale of Montana, South Carolina Rep. Ralph Norman, Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, and Arizona Rep. Andy Biggs all came out as hard nays against McCarthy's bid before the January 3 elections.

After negotiations failed to convince his objectors to vote for his candidacy, McCarthy tried to play hardball with the House Freedom Caucus. In a closed-door meeting just prior to the first vote, McCarthy said there was nothing more the two factions could negotiate on, and reportedly ended his remarks by yelling "I've earned this job," followed by an expletive.
In the same GOP conference meeting, Rep. Mike Rogers of Alabama reportedly suggested that McCarthy opponents should lose their committee assignmentssomething that was crucial to the negotiations McCarthy and his detractors had prior. Upon hearing Rogers's threat, Rep. Chip Roy of Texas stood and asked McCarthy to deny that could be the case. A question McCarthy refused to answer. "You just sealed your fate," Roy said, before storming out.

With the end of round two, it became clear that the move against McCarthy was not just political theater. McCarthy's objectors were in it for the long haul.]
Sam Lowry
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Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

J.B.Katz said:

The Boston Globe's headline take is accurate:

"Frankenstein created a bunch of mini-Frankensteins': With GOP speaker battle, Trump loses control of Trumpism"
See post above.

Always good when the liberal partisan hacks are upset about something.
I assure you they are not. This is more fun for liberals than a Portlandia binge with popcorn.
Its fun for them to watch a political party have real democracy and debate vs their semi-tyrannical party machine that allows no votes and decides everything from leadership to policy behind closed doors?

Well I bet it is fun for them to watch a real debate take place.
Excuses, excuses. Everyone wants to be tough like the Democrats...until it's time to be tough like the Democrats.
muddybrazos
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Redbrickbear said:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/scalping-a-hopeful-speaker/


[McCarthy, despite some members of his caucus decrying his corporate and swampy ways, was well-positioned to become the next speaker, but Republican underperformance in the 2022 midterm elections outside of Florida and New York gave the anti-McCarthy movement the traction it needed to fight his speakership.

Republicans' failure to seize the moment left the caucus with a razor-thin majority. On Tuesday, the 118th Congress was divided between 222 Republicans and 212 Democrats, despite Republicans winning the midterm popular vote by nearly 3 percentage points. And McCarthy needed almost every vote from the Republican members to secure the Speaker's gavel. But five Republican representatives, Rep. Bob Good from Virginia, Rep. Matt Rosendale of Montana, South Carolina Rep. Ralph Norman, Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, and Arizona Rep. Andy Biggs all came out as hard nays against McCarthy's bid before the January 3 elections.

After negotiations failed to convince his objectors to vote for his candidacy, McCarthy tried to play hardball with the House Freedom Caucus. In a closed-door meeting just prior to the first vote, McCarthy said there was nothing more the two factions could negotiate on, and reportedly ended his remarks by yelling "I've earned this job," followed by an expletive.
In the same GOP conference meeting, Rep. Mike Rogers of Alabama reportedly suggested that McCarthy opponents should lose their committee assignmentssomething that was crucial to the negotiations McCarthy and his detractors had prior. Upon hearing Rogers's threat, Rep. Chip Roy of Texas stood and asked McCarthy to deny that could be the case. A question McCarthy refused to answer. "You just sealed your fate," Roy said, before storming out.

With the end of round two, it became clear that the move against McCarthy was not just political theater. McCarthy's objectors were in it for the long haul.]
Chip Roy is quickly moving up the list of my fav people in congress.
Osodecentx
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Sam Lowry said:

Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

J.B.Katz said:

The Boston Globe's headline take is accurate:

"Frankenstein created a bunch of mini-Frankensteins': With GOP speaker battle, Trump loses control of Trumpism"
See post above.

Always good when the liberal partisan hacks are upset about something.
I assure you they are not. This is more fun for liberals than a Portlandia binge with popcorn.
Its fun for them to watch a political party have real democracy and debate vs their semi-tyrannical party machine that allows no votes and decides everything from leadership to policy behind closed doors?

Well I bet it is fun for them to watch a real debate take place.
Excuses, excuses. Everyone wants to be tough like the Democrats...until it's time to be tough like the Democrats.
Repubs are making Pelosi look like a genius. The next Republican Speaker will be compared to Pelosi and criticized for not producing conservative results.

Opinion piece from WaPo:
Many of the new members have come to Washington not to legislate but to stop legislation, to "drain the swamp," as former president Donald Trump has put it. Performative politics have become more appealing (and often more rewarding, in terms of fame and campaign contributions) than working in the trenches to produce results.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/04/house-republicans-dysfunction-points-more-chaos-ahead/
Harrison Bergeron
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Osodecentx said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Osodecentx said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Osodecentx said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

She seems lovely...


This must be all the new hate speech twatter is allowing - that's what Shifty Shiff told us.


What did Schif tell us?
He made one of his usual dumbass claims without facts that hate speech was exponential increasing on twatter.
Link? Will you tell us what he said?
Shifty Shiff also was exposed by twatter emails for attempting to fascistically have twatter remove people he did not like ... oddly even the little brownshirts at twatter did not think enough of him to comply (I think he was the only one).

So you say
Link?


Man, you got me. I made it all up. I'm basically a Shifty Shiff committee spreading disinformation.
Redbrickbear
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Osodecentx said:

Sam Lowry said:

Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

J.B.Katz said:

The Boston Globe's headline take is accurate:

"Frankenstein created a bunch of mini-Frankensteins': With GOP speaker battle, Trump loses control of Trumpism"
See post above.

Always good when the liberal partisan hacks are upset about something.
I assure you they are not. This is more fun for liberals than a Portlandia binge with popcorn.
Its fun for them to watch a political party have real democracy and debate vs their semi-tyrannical party machine that allows no votes and decides everything from leadership to policy behind closed doors?

Well I bet it is fun for them to watch a real debate take place.
Excuses, excuses. Everyone wants to be tough like the Democrats...until it's time to be tough like the Democrats.
Repubs are making Pelosi look like a genius. The next Republican Speaker will be compared to Pelosi and criticized for not producing conservative results.

Opinion piece from WaPo:
Many of the new members have come to Washington not to legislate but to stop legislation, to "drain the swamp," as former president Donald Trump has put it. Performative politics have become more appealing (and often more rewarding, in terms of fame and campaign contributions) than working in the trenches to produce results.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/04/house-republicans-dysfunction-points-more-chaos-ahead/


Pelosi and the Democrats literally took down the portraits of former Speakers of the House who sided with the South in the Civil War.

They passed a "Crown Act" that gave Federal legislative protection to Black women's hair styles.

Talk about "Performative politics"

The Left is literally the master of such a style of politics.
Osodecentx
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Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Sam Lowry said:

Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

J.B.Katz said:

The Boston Globe's headline take is accurate:

"Frankenstein created a bunch of mini-Frankensteins': With GOP speaker battle, Trump loses control of Trumpism"
See post above.

Always good when the liberal partisan hacks are upset about something.
I assure you they are not. This is more fun for liberals than a Portlandia binge with popcorn.
Its fun for them to watch a political party have real democracy and debate vs their semi-tyrannical party machine that allows no votes and decides everything from leadership to policy behind closed doors?

Well I bet it is fun for them to watch a real debate take place.
Excuses, excuses. Everyone wants to be tough like the Democrats...until it's time to be tough like the Democrats.
Repubs are making Pelosi look like a genius. The next Republican Speaker will be compared to Pelosi and criticized for not producing conservative results.

Opinion piece from WaPo:
Many of the new members have come to Washington not to legislate but to stop legislation, to "drain the swamp," as former president Donald Trump has put it. Performative politics have become more appealing (and often more rewarding, in terms of fame and campaign contributions) than working in the trenches to produce results.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/04/house-republicans-dysfunction-points-more-chaos-ahead/


Pelosi and the Democrats literally took down the portraits of former Speakers of the House who sided with the South in the Civil War.

They passed a "Crown Act" that gave Federal legislative protection to Black women's hair styles.

Talk about "Performative politics"

The Left is literally the master of such a style of politics.
Okay, I don't disagree.

And thanks for posting the Schiff link
Canada2017
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muddybrazos said:

Redbrickbear said:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/scalping-a-hopeful-speaker/


[McCarthy, despite some members of his caucus decrying his corporate and swampy ways, was well-positioned to become the next speaker, but Republican underperformance in the 2022 midterm elections outside of Florida and New York gave the anti-McCarthy movement the traction it needed to fight his speakership.

Republicans' failure to seize the moment left the caucus with a razor-thin majority. On Tuesday, the 118th Congress was divided between 222 Republicans and 212 Democrats, despite Republicans winning the midterm popular vote by nearly 3 percentage points. And McCarthy needed almost every vote from the Republican members to secure the Speaker's gavel. But five Republican representatives, Rep. Bob Good from Virginia, Rep. Matt Rosendale of Montana, South Carolina Rep. Ralph Norman, Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, and Arizona Rep. Andy Biggs all came out as hard nays against McCarthy's bid before the January 3 elections.

After negotiations failed to convince his objectors to vote for his candidacy, McCarthy tried to play hardball with the House Freedom Caucus. In a closed-door meeting just prior to the first vote, McCarthy said there was nothing more the two factions could negotiate on, and reportedly ended his remarks by yelling "I've earned this job," followed by an expletive.
In the same GOP conference meeting, Rep. Mike Rogers of Alabama reportedly suggested that McCarthy opponents should lose their committee assignmentssomething that was crucial to the negotiations McCarthy and his detractors had prior. Upon hearing Rogers's threat, Rep. Chip Roy of Texas stood and asked McCarthy to deny that could be the case. A question McCarthy refused to answer. "You just sealed your fate," Roy said, before storming out.

With the end of round two, it became clear that the move against McCarthy was not just political theater. McCarthy's objectors were in it for the long haul.]


Chip Roy is quickly moving up the list of my fav people in congress.


Never noticed Chip Roy before but he was dead on with his comments about Gingrich .

Very impressed .



Osodecentx
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Osodecentx said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Osodecentx said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Osodecentx said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jack Bauer said:

She seems lovely...


This must be all the new hate speech twatter is allowing - that's what Shifty Shiff told us.


What did Schif tell us?
He made one of his usual dumbass claims without facts that hate speech was exponential increasing on twatter.
Link? Will you tell us what he said?
Shifty Shiff also was exposed by twatter emails for attempting to fascistically have twatter remove people he did not like ... oddly even the little brownshirts at twatter did not think enough of him to comply (I think he was the only one).

So you say
Link?


Man, you got me. I made it all up. I'm basically a Shifty Shiff committee spreading disinformation.
Somebody else posted it for you

You characterized it in a certain way that seemed exaggerated. I just wanted to see the actual link.
whiterock
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Jack Bauer said:

She seems lovely...




She may be a piece but are we to believe a one term house member will be elevated to Soeaker?

If McCarthy stepped down, will ajordan get a serious look? Yes. Scalise? (Will likely become speaker. Donalds? I don't see 5 votes.

Too soon for Donalds. That does not mean we should not showcase talent.
whiterock
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ATL Bear said:

whiterock said:

ATL Bear said:

This isn't draining the swamp. This is just preferring the moccasin to the alligator.
Fair point.

There has to be an element of personality involved in this fight, making it larger than just the rules, the agenda, the legislation. It's not just McCarthy is too moderate; it's just McCarthy.

Definitely feels personal vs policy.

Pretty sure it's both.
Mothra
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Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

J.B.Katz said:

The Boston Globe's headline take is accurate:

"Frankenstein created a bunch of mini-Frankensteins': With GOP speaker battle, Trump loses control of Trumpism"
See post above.

Always good when the liberal partisan hacks are upset about something.
I assure you they are not. This is more fun for liberals than a Portlandia binge with popcorn.
I don't know. They seem pretty hysterical.
Osodecentx
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Sam Lowry said:

As of this morning, McCarthy is still short.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/us/politics/kevin-mccarthy-speaker-vote.html


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Osodecentx
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whiterock said:




Now that's funny
Osodecentx
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7th vote fails. On to #8
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