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Should a law be passed banning the N word from music etc?
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Last: 1 yr ago by Proud 1992 Alum
No. The government should do nothing. Freedom of speech and the bill of rights generally is an essential part of what makes America exceptional.
Ironically, it would be viewed as an act of white supremacy since it would suppress black rapper expression.
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In all seriousness, no. This is not the same as yelling "fire" in a theater. I'm 53, but I'd still fight for the rights of someone even if I didn't agree with them.
In all seriousness, no. This is not the same as yelling "fire" in a theater. I'm 53, but I'd still fight for the rights of someone even if I didn't agree with them.
Isn't it time to let that reference to prior oppression die off with the olds? Move on to a more advanced, evolved culture?
I don't see anyone fighting for people to
Be able to say ruhtard or f** or pick any of countless other examples.
Isn't it time? We've come too far.
Interesting
I don't see anyone fighting for people to
Be able to say ruhtard or f** or pick any of countless other examples.
Isn't it time? We've come too far.
Interesting
Good gracious, what a horrible take. NO, we don't need the government telling anyone what they can and can't say. The law you ask for would be patently unconstitutional, AND IT SHOULD BE!Fre3dombear said:
Isn't it time to let that reference to prior oppression die off with the olds? Move on to a more advanced, evolved culture?
I don't see anyone fighting for people to
Be able to say ruhtard or f** or pick any of countless other examples.
Isn't it time? We've come too far.
Interesting
It's like people don't want to be free or something.
No. What Coke Bear said.
I have found theres only two ways to go:
Living fast or dying slow.
I dont want to live forever.
But I will live while I'm here.
Living fast or dying slow.
I dont want to live forever.
But I will live while I'm here.
OK, i will take a crack at this:
What makes our nation different, these United States of America, is ideas.
And we believe that ideas should stand or fall on their merit. If an idea is worthless, we prove that through debate, just as if an idea has worth, that also is proven through inspection and testing.
Words are tools used in that testing of ideas, and words establish the character of those ideas. While the language can be offensive at times, the words chosen to express ideas are part of the argument, and in the end a word is no longer used because it proves worthless in advancing the idea. Censoring a word may salve the emotions of some, but at the cost of appearing to concede we cannot defeat the idea any other way.
Let those who use vulgar epithets bear the cost of those words through their failure. Let's defeat the idea of Racism - however expressed - so soundly that such words are abandoned not by the proscription of some government, but by the clear futility of embracing the failure of their concept.
What makes our nation different, these United States of America, is ideas.
And we believe that ideas should stand or fall on their merit. If an idea is worthless, we prove that through debate, just as if an idea has worth, that also is proven through inspection and testing.
Words are tools used in that testing of ideas, and words establish the character of those ideas. While the language can be offensive at times, the words chosen to express ideas are part of the argument, and in the end a word is no longer used because it proves worthless in advancing the idea. Censoring a word may salve the emotions of some, but at the cost of appearing to concede we cannot defeat the idea any other way.
Let those who use vulgar epithets bear the cost of those words through their failure. Let's defeat the idea of Racism - however expressed - so soundly that such words are abandoned not by the proscription of some government, but by the clear futility of embracing the failure of their concept.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
I think the point your trying to make has everything to do with making blacks look like hypocrites, less to do with "we've come to far" and, nothing to do with freedom.Fre3dombear said:
Isn't it time to let that reference to prior oppression die off with the olds? Move on to a more advanced, evolved culture?
I don't see anyone fighting for people to
Be able to say ruhtard or f** or pick any of countless other examples.
Isn't it time? We've come too far.
Interesting
But go ahead and keep trying.
Oldbear83 said:
OK, i will take a crack at this:
What makes our nation different, these United States of America, is ideas.
And we believe that ideas should stand or fall on their merit. If an idea is worthless, we prove that through debate, just as if an idea has worth, that also is proven through inspection and testing.
Words are tools used in that testing of ideas, and words establish the character of those ideas. While the language can be offensive at times, the words chosen to express ideas are part of the argument, and in the end a word is no longer used because it proves worthless in advancing the idea. Censoring a word may salve the emotions of some, but at the cost of appearing to concede we cannot defeat the idea any other way.
Let those who use vulgar epithets bear the cost of those words through their failure. Let's defeat the idea of Racism - however expressed - so soundly that such words are abandoned not by the proscription of some government, but by the clear futility of embracing the failure of their concept.
Dang! Very well said.
Coke Bear said:
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In all seriousness, no. This is not the same as yelling "fire" in a theater. I'm 53, but I'd still fight for the rights of someone even if I didn't agree with them.
You are a good man .
Respect
Thank you sir. Hope this topic gets some discussion, there is ground for some good thought here.LIB,MR BEARS said:Oldbear83 said:
OK, i will take a crack at this:
What makes our nation different, these United States of America, is ideas.
And we believe that ideas should stand or fall on their merit. If an idea is worthless, we prove that through debate, just as if an idea has worth, that also is proven through inspection and testing.
Words are tools used in that testing of ideas, and words establish the character of those ideas. While the language can be offensive at times, the words chosen to express ideas are part of the argument, and in the end a word is no longer used because it proves worthless in advancing the idea. Censoring a word may salve the emotions of some, but at the cost of appearing to concede we cannot defeat the idea any other way.
Let those who use vulgar epithets bear the cost of those words through their failure. Let's defeat the idea of Racism - however expressed - so soundly that such words are abandoned not by the proscription of some government, but by the clear futility of embracing the failure of their concept.
Dang! Very well said.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
It is a way for blacks to take back control of a word used to demean them for centuries. I don't think anyone should use the word, but some do use it in a friendly way rather than a pure hatred way. There is some redeemimg value in that.
Talking about regulating words at the federal level is beyond the pale.
Talking about regulating words at the federal level is beyond the pale.
LIB,MR BEARS said:I think the point your trying to make has everything to do with making blacks look like hypocrites, less to do with "we've come to far" and, nothing to do with freedom.Fre3dombear said:
Isn't it time to let that reference to prior oppression die off with the olds? Move on to a more advanced, evolved culture?
I don't see anyone fighting for people to
Be able to say ruhtard or f** or pick any of countless other examples.
Isn't it time? We've come too far.
Interesting
But go ahead and keep trying.
Well that's a perspective I guess.
In a day and age where pronouns are more important than ever before, and a single word can destroy careers and lives, this should be a legitimate discussion.
What value or positive is this allowing for people to profit off this? Compared with the negative costs?
An advanced, evolved, highly educated society would consider such things. Did 2020 and that carnage teach us nothing?
I was against the thought police before the election and I'm still against it. Thoughts are best expressed with words so I don't want words policed either.Fre3dombear said:LIB,MR BEARS said:I think the point your trying to make has everything to do with making blacks look like hypocrites, less to do with "we've come to far" and, nothing to do with freedom.Fre3dombear said:
Isn't it time to let that reference to prior oppression die off with the olds? Move on to a more advanced, evolved culture?
I don't see anyone fighting for people to
Be able to say ruhtard or f** or pick any of countless other examples.
Isn't it time? We've come too far.
Interesting
But go ahead and keep trying.
Well that's a perspective I guess.
In a day and age where pronouns are more important than ever before, and a single word can destroy careers and lives, this should be a legitimate discussion.
What value or positive is this allowing for people to profit off this? Compared with the negative costs?
An advanced, evolved, highly educated society would consider such things. Did 2020 and that carnage teach us nothing?
NO! If you don't want to hear it don't listen to it. Kinda like Yacht Rock!
Just remember we enjoy freedom of, not freedom from..
“Mix a little foolishness with your serious plans. It is lovely to be silly at the right moment.”
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
–Horace
“Insomnia sharpens your math skills because you spend all night calculating how much sleep you’ll get if you’re able to ‘fall asleep right now.’ “
If the N-word can be outlawed, so can the word Jesus. Coincidentally, it would be for the same reason, offensiveness.
LIB,MR BEARS said:
If the N-word can be outlawed, so can the word Jesus. Coincidentally, it would be for the same reason, offensiveness.
That's a non sequitur.
No. No, I don't think it is. I'm following the logic that "etc" allows.Fre3dombear said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
If the N-word can be outlawed, so can the word Jesus. Coincidentally, it would be for the same reason, offensiveness.
That's a non sequitur.
Banning the n word is a terrible idea. First, it is almost certainly unconstitutional. Second, once a word is banned, there will be groups who want additional words banned. Finally, the government needs to do a better job protecting its citizens from violent crime. Let's not add policing speech to the list of offenses that the police and courts have to deal with.
Proud 1992 Alum said:
Banning the n word is a terrible idea. First, it is almost certainly unconstitutional. Second, once a word is banned, there will be groups who want additional words banned. Finally, the government needs to do a better job protecting its citizens from violent crime. Let's not add policing speech to the list of offenses that the police and courts have to deal with.
We already have that. So why is this word so protected? Most common sensical people are for free speech but some people aren't really for free speech. They want speech that is free but only punishes some and not others and then hid behind a veneer of being for "free speech"
It is quite an interesting thought exercise though as to why some will defend this or that or not defend other speech
Eventually they'll even slip in the words "free market"
Fre3dombear said:Proud 1992 Alum said:
Banning the n word is a terrible idea. First, it is almost certainly unconstitutional. Second, once a word is banned, there will be groups who want additional words banned. Finally, the government needs to do a better job protecting its citizens from violent crime. Let's not add policing speech to the list of offenses that the police and courts have to deal with.
We already have that. So why is this word so protected? Most common sensical people are for free speech but some people aren't really for free speech. They want speech that is free but only punishes some and not others and then hid behind a veneer of being for "free speech"
It is quite an interesting thought exercise though as to why some will defend this or that or not defend other speech
Eventually they'll even slip in the words "free market"
Obviously, you can make a great argument that no one should use the n word, as well as other words. I certainly have no desire to use the n word. But I don't see a good argument for a government ban on any words, including the n word. What is your reasoning for doing so?