Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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There was no sign of a teen mental illness epidemic until around 2012. Then liberal girls' rates started increasing. Then everyone else. Why? @glukianoff nailed it: Reverse CBT, as I explain here:https://t.co/mLdsjkgpv7

— Jonathan Haidt (@JonHaidt) March 9, 2023

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Liberal girls?

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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There was no sign of a teen mental illness epidemic until around 2012. Then liberal girls' rates started increasing. Then everyone else. Why? @glukianoff nailed it: Reverse CBT, as I explain here:https://t.co/mLdsjkgpv7

— Jonathan Haidt (@JonHaidt) March 9, 2023

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Liberal girls?

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David Brooks has a column today about "progressive sadness" -- meaning, the measurably poor mental health afflicting those on the political Left. Excerpt:


Young liberals were hit especially hard. A 2021 study by Catherine Gimbrone, Lisa M. Bates, Seth J. Prins and Katherine M. Keyes looked at the emotional states of 12th-grade students between 2005 and 2018. Liberal girls experienced a surge in depressive symptoms. Liberal boys weren't far behind. Conservative boys and girls also suffered from higher rates of depressive symptoms, but not nearly as much as liberals. Sadness was linked to ideology.
Lord knows the right has gone off on its own jarring psychological journey of late, but many on the left began to suffer from what you might call maladaptive sadness. This mind-set had three main features.
First, a catastrophizing mentality. For many, America's problems came to seem endemic: The American dream is a sham, climate change is so unstoppable, systemic racism is eternal. Making catastrophic pronouncements became a way to display that you were woke to the brutalities of American life. The problem, Matthew Yglesias recently wrote on his Substack, is that catastrophizing doesn't usually help you solve problems. People who provide therapy to depressive people try to break the cycle of catastrophic thinking so they can more calmly locate and deal with the problems they actually have control over.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/liberal-tears-for-progressives-a-power-potion-and-a-poison/

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Redbrickbear said:

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There was no sign of a teen mental illness epidemic until around 2012. Then liberal girls' rates started increasing. Then everyone else. Why? @glukianoff nailed it: Reverse CBT, as I explain here:https://t.co/mLdsjkgpv7

— Jonathan Haidt (@JonHaidt) March 9, 2023

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Liberal girls?

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David Brooks has a column today about "progressive sadness" -- meaning, the measurably poor mental health afflicting those on the political Left. Excerpt:


Young liberals were hit especially hard. A 2021 study by Catherine Gimbrone, Lisa M. Bates, Seth J. Prins and Katherine M. Keyes looked at the emotional states of 12th-grade students between 2005 and 2018. Liberal girls experienced a surge in depressive symptoms. Liberal boys weren't far behind. Conservative boys and girls also suffered from higher rates of depressive symptoms, but not nearly as much as liberals. Sadness was linked to ideology.
Lord knows the right has gone off on its own jarring psychological journey of late, but many on the left began to suffer from what you might call maladaptive sadness. This mind-set had three main features.
First, a catastrophizing mentality. For many, America's problems came to seem endemic: The American dream is a sham, climate change is so unstoppable, systemic racism is eternal. Making catastrophic pronouncements became a way to display that you were woke to the brutalities of American life. The problem, Matthew Yglesias recently wrote on his Substack, is that catastrophizing doesn't usually help you solve problems. People who provide therapy to depressive people try to break the cycle of catastrophic thinking so they can more calmly locate and deal with the problems they actually have control over.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/liberal-tears-for-progressives-a-power-potion-and-a-poison/

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See what you mean now. I had no idea.While we're talking though, do you see catastrophizing on the Right?

Making catastrophic pronouncements became a way to display that you were woke to the brutalities of American life. The problem, Matthew Yglesias recently wrote on his Substack, is that catastrophizing doesn't usually help you solve problems. People who provide therapy to depressive people try to break the cycle of catastrophic thinking so they can more calmly locate and deal with the problems they actually have control over.

Teens who meet up with their friends 'almost every day' is down from 50% in the 90s to 25% today.

Falls off a cliff around 2010, alongside the rise of smartphones and social media. pic.twitter.com/3Bjbwmui8j

— Rex Woodbury (@rex_woodbury) March 9, 2023

Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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There was no sign of a teen mental illness epidemic until around 2012. Then liberal girls' rates started increasing. Then everyone else. Why? @glukianoff nailed it: Reverse CBT, as I explain here:https://t.co/mLdsjkgpv7

— Jonathan Haidt (@JonHaidt) March 9, 2023

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Liberal girls?

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David Brooks has a column today about "progressive sadness" -- meaning, the measurably poor mental health afflicting those on the political Left. Excerpt:


Young liberals were hit especially hard. A 2021 study by Catherine Gimbrone, Lisa M. Bates, Seth J. Prins and Katherine M. Keyes looked at the emotional states of 12th-grade students between 2005 and 2018. Liberal girls experienced a surge in depressive symptoms. Liberal boys weren't far behind. Conservative boys and girls also suffered from higher rates of depressive symptoms, but not nearly as much as liberals. Sadness was linked to ideology.
Lord knows the right has gone off on its own jarring psychological journey of late, but many on the left began to suffer from what you might call maladaptive sadness. This mind-set had three main features.
First, a catastrophizing mentality. For many, America's problems came to seem endemic: The American dream is a sham, climate change is so unstoppable, systemic racism is eternal. Making catastrophic pronouncements became a way to display that you were woke to the brutalities of American life. The problem, Matthew Yglesias recently wrote on his Substack, is that catastrophizing doesn't usually help you solve problems. People who provide therapy to depressive people try to break the cycle of catastrophic thinking so they can more calmly locate and deal with the problems they actually have control over.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/liberal-tears-for-progressives-a-power-potion-and-a-poison/

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See what you mean now. I had no idea.While we're talking though, do you see catastrophizing on the Right?

Making catastrophic pronouncements became a way to display that you were woke to the brutalities of American life. The problem, Matthew Yglesias recently wrote on his Substack, is that catastrophizing doesn't usually help you solve problems. People who provide therapy to depressive people try to break the cycle of catastrophic thinking so they can more calmly locate and deal with the problems they actually have control over.

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My catastrophe is bigger than your catastrophe.

I think I've indulged in this mindset over federal spending.

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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There was no sign of a teen mental illness epidemic until around 2012. Then liberal girls' rates started increasing. Then everyone else. Why? @glukianoff nailed it: Reverse CBT, as I explain here:https://t.co/mLdsjkgpv7

— Jonathan Haidt (@JonHaidt) March 9, 2023

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Liberal girls?

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David Brooks has a column today about "progressive sadness" -- meaning, the measurably poor mental health afflicting those on the political Left. Excerpt:


Young liberals were hit especially hard. A 2021 study by Catherine Gimbrone, Lisa M. Bates, Seth J. Prins and Katherine M. Keyes looked at the emotional states of 12th-grade students between 2005 and 2018. Liberal girls experienced a surge in depressive symptoms. Liberal boys weren't far behind. Conservative boys and girls also suffered from higher rates of depressive symptoms, but not nearly as much as liberals. Sadness was linked to ideology.
Lord knows the right has gone off on its own jarring psychological journey of late, but many on the left began to suffer from what you might call maladaptive sadness. This mind-set had three main features.
First, a catastrophizing mentality. For many, America's problems came to seem endemic: The American dream is a sham, climate change is so unstoppable, systemic racism is eternal. Making catastrophic pronouncements became a way to display that you were woke to the brutalities of American life. The problem, Matthew Yglesias recently wrote on his Substack, is that catastrophizing doesn't usually help you solve problems. People who provide therapy to depressive people try to break the cycle of catastrophic thinking so they can more calmly locate and deal with the problems they actually have control over.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/liberal-tears-for-progressives-a-power-potion-and-a-poison/

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See what you mean now. I had no idea.While we're talking though, do you see catastrophizing on the Right?

Making catastrophic pronouncements became a way to display that you were woke to the brutalities of American life. The problem, Matthew Yglesias recently wrote on his Substack, is that catastrophizing doesn't usually help you solve problems. People who provide therapy to depressive people try to break the cycle of catastrophic thinking so they can more calmly locate and deal with the problems they actually have control over.

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My catastrophe is bigger than your catastrophe.

I think I've indulged in this mindset over federal spending.

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Me too. However our reasoning is sound

Social life has died in most of the world

When I was growing up I was seeing my friends DAILY https://t.co/HQnvuXNrHD

— Cyberpunk Sense (@napoleon21st) March 12, 2023

Jonathan Haidt on "Why the Mental Health of Liberal Girls Sank First and Fastest"

Tl;dr they embraced fragility, emotionalism, and a naive leftist moralism.

We are never going to become more rational & sensible are we? https://t.co/wDB2bpj42G pic.twitter.com/rIL1Pbu4jS

— Whyvert (@whyvert) March 11, 2023

The smartphone era has not been great for teens' mental health. Very good piece of datajournalism showcasing the mounting evidence on this by @jburnmurdoch https://t.co/dJ1fv5m8kw pic.twitter.com/V7YvF4VP6x

— Sander Wagner (@sanderwagner) March 10, 2023

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The smartphone era has not been great for teens' mental health. Very good piece of datajournalism showcasing the mounting evidence on this by @jburnmurdoch https://t.co/dJ1fv5m8kw pic.twitter.com/V7YvF4VP6x

— Sander Wagner (@sanderwagner) March 10, 2023

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Adults have been griping about kids since Socrates. At least.

Phones, cars, comics, movies, alcohol, drugs, dancing, ankles, hair, pants, and the abstwirst: not riding sidesaddle.

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The smartphone era has not been great for teens' mental health. Very good piece of datajournalism showcasing the mounting evidence on this by @jburnmurdoch https://t.co/dJ1fv5m8kw pic.twitter.com/V7YvF4VP6x

— Sander Wagner (@sanderwagner) March 10, 2023

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Adults have been griping about kids since Socrates. At least.

Phones, cars, comics, movies, alcohol, drugs, dancing, ankles, hair, pants, and the abstwirst: not riding sidesaddle.

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Rock and roll

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The smartphone era has not been great for teens' mental health. Very good piece of datajournalism showcasing the mounting evidence on this by @jburnmurdoch https://t.co/dJ1fv5m8kw pic.twitter.com/V7YvF4VP6x

— Sander Wagner (@sanderwagner) March 10, 2023

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Adults have been griping about kids since Socrates. At least.

Phones, cars, comics, movies, alcohol, drugs, dancing, ankles, hair, pants, and the abstwirst: not riding sidesaddle.

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What an incredibly stupid response from our resident leftist d-bag. This isn't about griping about behavior. It's about observing a group psychosis created through social contagion spread by social media use.

You are truly as dumb as a bag of hammers.

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A bunch of the boys are gonna go burn down every theater that showed Mrs. Doubtfire. See you there

https://t.co/w2S04NGEze pic.twitter.com/3ZN0suUfEs

— Good Tweetman (@Goodtweet_man) March 22, 2023

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https://t.co/w2S04NGEze pic.twitter.com/3ZN0suUfEs

— Good Tweetman (@Goodtweet_man) March 22, 2023

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So which one told them it was ok to post videos of them breaking the law while laughing?

To constantly bully other kids?

To spend all their time on their phone and not talking to people?

to blindly trust what they see posted online?

To be self absorbed and worry about how many followers they have?

To cancel someone who posts something they don't agree with?

and so many others that could be listed here that all those sites have "taught" people to do.

Redbrickbear said:

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TikTok should be banned because its rotting kids minds.

Especially the minds of young adolescent girls.

Suicide and depression are sky high compared to the late 90s and early 2000s

It's business model is getting people hooked...and if it causes depression, anxiety, and suicide...who cares.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02/01/teenage-girls-suicide-pandemic-covid/
"Hospital admissions for teenage girls who may have attempted suicide have increased 50% nationwide."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/05/17/724299570/suicide-rate-among-girls-rising-faster-than-for-boys-study-finds

And the studies show that social media is poison to all of us...but especially young people.

[The TikTok algorithm is interest based, so it shows content that reflects what viewers have previously watched whether they engaged with it or not. Within a short space of time, the algorithm can detect their hobbies and interests, sense of humor, fashion style, music tastes, sexual orientation, political views and much more. This personalized viewing experience sounds harmless but it can push users down a rabbit hole that can reinforce negative thoughts and behaviors, and bombard them with content that is not always healthy.

Every time users watch a video on TikTok, dopamine is released in their brains in a way that mimics the effects of drugs and there is not much that can compete with this type of stimulation. Young people are more predisposed to addiction because their brain development is not complete until they reach 25 to 30 years old.]

https://www.verywellhealth.com/tiktok-brain-5225664

https://gamequitters.com/tiktok-brain/

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Doesn't that apply to Instagram and Facebook, too?

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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TikTok should be banned because its rotting kids minds.

Especially the minds of young adolescent girls.

Suicide and depression are sky high compared to the late 90s and early 2000s

It's business model is getting people hooked...and if it causes depression, anxiety, and suicide...who cares.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02/01/teenage-girls-suicide-pandemic-covid/
"Hospital admissions for teenage girls who may have attempted suicide have increased 50% nationwide."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/05/17/724299570/suicide-rate-among-girls-rising-faster-than-for-boys-study-finds

And the studies show that social media is poison to all of us...but especially young people.

[The TikTok algorithm is interest based, so it shows content that reflects what viewers have previously watched whether they engaged with it or not. Within a short space of time, the algorithm can detect their hobbies and interests, sense of humor, fashion style, music tastes, sexual orientation, political views and much more. This personalized viewing experience sounds harmless but it can push users down a rabbit hole that can reinforce negative thoughts and behaviors, and bombard them with content that is not always healthy.

Every time users watch a video on TikTok, dopamine is released in their brains in a way that mimics the effects of drugs and there is not much that can compete with this type of stimulation. Young people are more predisposed to addiction because their brain development is not complete until they reach 25 to 30 years old.]

https://www.verywellhealth.com/tiktok-brain-5225664

https://gamequitters.com/tiktok-brain/

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We just need to make sure every young girl can cut her tits off and pretend to be a man and then they'll be fine.

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It is also not surprising at all that transgenderism and gender dysmorphia took off in the internet age.

[When Jay told his mom he was bisexual at 14, she was supportive. But when he came out as transgender a few years later, she pushed back. She felt blindsided by the news. YouTube videos and online forums soon convinced her that she was right to feel that way. To her, it was clear that Jay was simply mistaken. A trans contagion called "rapid-onset gender dysphoria," spread through social media, had caught hold of him and convinced him he was not female, she said. The Internet had turned him trans.]

https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/how-big-tech-turns-kids-trans
"The spike in teens using social media and identifying as transgender is no mere coincidence."

"2,000% spike in transgenderism identification among the young in just the past two years"

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We are confusing the hell out of our kids. My sister-in-law, an elementary music teacher, estimates around a quarter of her students are struggling with whether they are boys or girls. Simply incredible.

One of my wife's friends daughters came out as a man on facebook. Beautiful girl, had her breasts removed, and now goes by Xavier. And of course, got several hundred likes.

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I'm one affair away from becoming a girl. (Or at least a gelding)

Of all the concerns on this thread about TikTock content, the expressed reason for the ban is because it's believed the app can gather and share data with the CCP.

Banning TikTock doesn't address the concerns you guys have expressed.

It just forces me to a Facebook group of gender dysfunction.

IMO, banning falls far short of addressing issues. If, user privacy is the goal, apply rules to all social media. If content is the goal, address it globally.

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Of all the concerns on this thread about TikTock content, the expressed reason for the ban is because it's believed the app can gather and share data with the CCP.

Banning TikTock doesn't address the concerns you guys have expressed.

It just forces me to a Facebook group of gender dysfunction.

IMO, banning falls far short of addressing issues. If, user privacy is the goal, apply rules to all social media. If content is the goal, address it globally.

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True,

For instance taking out the Gulf cartel will not stop the flow of drugs into the USA because there are other cartels to take their place.

But it's still a very good think to liquidate the gulf cartel if we can.

Redbrickbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Of all the concerns on this thread about TikTock content, the expressed reason for the ban is because it's believed the app can gather and share data with the CCP.

Banning TikTock doesn't address the concerns you guys have expressed.

It just forces me to a Facebook group of gender dysfunction.

IMO, banning falls far short of addressing issues. If, user privacy is the goal, apply rules to all social media. If content is the goal, address it globally.

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True,

For instance taking out the Gulf cartel will not stop the flow of drugs into the USA because there are other cartels to take their place.

But it's still a very good think to liquidate the gulf cartel if we can.

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Not if we're just doing the dirty work for the other cartels.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory/

It’s the Biden administration that’s weighing a TikTok ban and although it was proposed by Sen. Hawley, the entire Senate voted to ban TikTok on government phones. https://t.co/xKR0wOFAtu

— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) March 23, 2023

Rep. Cathy Rodgers slams TikTok CEO Shou Chew: “TikTok is a grave threat of foreign influence in American life — it’s like allowing the Soviet Union the power to produce Saturday morning cartoons during the Cold War. Your platform should be banned.” pic.twitter.com/qpOKZiy2Gr

— Alana Mastrangelo (@ARmastrangelo) March 23, 2023

This isnt even a good dodge why is this impressive lol https://t.co/oZ0XecDMvC

— turrible tao (@turrible_tao) March 23, 2023

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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TikTok should be banned because its rotting kids minds.

Especially the minds of young adolescent girls.

Suicide and depression are sky high compared to the late 90s and early 2000s

It's business model is getting people hooked...and if it causes depression, anxiety, and suicide...who cares.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02/01/teenage-girls-suicide-pandemic-covid/
"Hospital admissions for teenage girls who may have attempted suicide have increased 50% nationwide."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/05/17/724299570/suicide-rate-among-girls-rising-faster-than-for-boys-study-finds

And the studies show that social media is poison to all of us...but especially young people.

[The TikTok algorithm is interest based, so it shows content that reflects what viewers have previously watched whether they engaged with it or not. Within a short space of time, the algorithm can detect their hobbies and interests, sense of humor, fashion style, music tastes, sexual orientation, political views and much more. This personalized viewing experience sounds harmless but it can push users down a rabbit hole that can reinforce negative thoughts and behaviors, and bombard them with content that is not always healthy.

Every time users watch a video on TikTok, dopamine is released in their brains in a way that mimics the effects of drugs and there is not much that can compete with this type of stimulation. Young people are more predisposed to addiction because their brain development is not complete until they reach 25 to 30 years old.]

https://www.verywellhealth.com/tiktok-brain-5225664

https://gamequitters.com/tiktok-brain/

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We just need to make sure every young girl can cut her tits off and pretend to be a man and then they'll be fine.

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Unless they went to a Christian school as a pre-teen and have access to guns, Ellen Degeneres and Twitter ...

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Since when do our school kids use government devices to view tiktok?

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Many schools provide iPads.

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And they block certain apps already. My kids were given iPads and chromebooks by their school…all social media was blocked

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good! Now if we can get parents to do the same on their kids private electronic devices.

We need to start banning phones from school nationally, and funding a national campaign to encourage parents to limit their children's access to screens. Why isn't this government policy right now? For that matter why didn't we do this 10 years ago? https://t.co/0BghabsBkE

— Sebastian Milbank 🥀🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 (@JSMilbank) April 21, 2023

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Gonna ban the TT and save us from the Red Chinese.

So 1950s.

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Good for him. I never cared much for Texas Tech or the Red Chinese.

Osodecentx said:

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There was no sign of a teen mental illness epidemic until around 2012. Then liberal girls' rates started increasing. Then everyone else. Why? @glukianoff nailed it: Reverse CBT, as I explain here:https://t.co/mLdsjkgpv7

— Jonathan Haidt (@JonHaidt) March 9, 2023

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Liberal girls?

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David Brooks has a column today about "progressive sadness" -- meaning, the measurably poor mental health afflicting those on the political Left. Excerpt:


Young liberals were hit especially hard. A 2021 study by Catherine Gimbrone, Lisa M. Bates, Seth J. Prins and Katherine M. Keyes looked at the emotional states of 12th-grade students between 2005 and 2018. Liberal girls experienced a surge in depressive symptoms. Liberal boys weren't far behind. Conservative boys and girls also suffered from higher rates of depressive symptoms, but not nearly as much as liberals. Sadness was linked to ideology.
Lord knows the right has gone off on its own jarring psychological journey of late, but many on the left began to suffer from what you might call maladaptive sadness. This mind-set had three main features.
First, a catastrophizing mentality. For many, America's problems came to seem endemic: The American dream is a sham, climate change is so unstoppable, systemic racism is eternal. Making catastrophic pronouncements became a way to display that you were woke to the brutalities of American life. The problem, Matthew Yglesias recently wrote on his Substack, is that catastrophizing doesn't usually help you solve problems. People who provide therapy to depressive people try to break the cycle of catastrophic thinking so they can more calmly locate and deal with the problems they actually have control over.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/liberal-tears-for-progressives-a-power-potion-and-a-poison/

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See what you mean now. I had no idea.While we're talking though, do you see catastrophizing on the Right?

Making catastrophic pronouncements became a way to display that you were woke to the brutalities of American life. The problem, Matthew Yglesias recently wrote on his Substack, is that catastrophizing doesn't usually help you solve problems. People who provide therapy to depressive people try to break the cycle of catastrophic thinking so they can more calmly locate and deal with the problems they actually have control over.

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Catastrophic pronouncements from the right run along the lines of "the destruction of America" using touchstones in immigration, abortion, China etc.

But I can see where leftist youth would be more anxious about climate catastrophism. That's end of the world bull*****

[The American Medical Association found that even as the total number of pediatric emergency room visits declined, mental-health-related visits among children, teenagers, and young adults surged between 2011 and 2020, from 4.8 million to 7.5 million.

In that span, psychiatric patients' share of all pediatric and young-adult E.R. visits nearly doubled, from 7.7 to 13.1 percent.

Technology and social media, which have the effect of isolating people and coarsening conversations, have almost certainly contributed to the increase. So has the erosion of religious and moral norms against suicide.]

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/why-are-so-many-kids-attempting-suicide/