Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

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The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

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The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

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Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

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Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

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The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

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Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

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The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

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When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

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The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

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When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

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The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

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When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

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Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

I see Black people.

- 47

sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

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Investigation by political bodies is politics. Investigation by States is not.

This event has effectively ended any chance of a dem rising from a Red State or a republican coming from a Blue State.


The precedent of this will be long lasting.

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Fed investigated both Clintons and both Bidens.

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The Feds at least have oversight by political bodies - Congress, President.

What the democrats have unleashed in their effort to get Trump (and any other republican coming after him) cannot be put back in the bottle. At some point an attorney general from a red state is going to go after a lefty. For example, should Beto make his way onto the ticket, I wager Paxton will return the favor in a civil suit. Heck, maybe some DA in Montgomery County takes it upon himself to find the crime.

Of course the media will then call it a political hit job and that it is unprecedented.

We now live in a world where a single DA can interfere in a national election. Scary place but of course Trump deserves it.

GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

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Actually. She ran on the Trump fraud case in 2018 and opened the case as soon as she took office. This case was going forward whether Trump ran for President or not.

FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

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Actually. She ran on the Trump fraud case in 2018 and opened the case as soon as she took office. This case was going forward whether Trump ran for President or not.

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No, she campaigned on finding something, anything, to charge him with. https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2018/12/24/how-letitia-james-says-she-plans-to-investigate-president-donald-trump-once-new-york-attorney-general

Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Actually. She ran on the Trump fraud case in 2018 and opened the case as soon as she took office. This case was going forward whether Trump ran for President or not.

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No, she campaigned on finding something, anything, to charge him with. https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2018/12/24/how-letitia-james-says-she-plans-to-investigate-president-donald-trump-once-new-york-attorney-general

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She always said she was going to look into his businesses. This is not a surprise. But, once again it is all about everything else BUT did he really do it? The answer is yes, there is no doubt. The fine may be adjusted, but he is guilty. No one talks about that. Just like he really does have the documents. And he really did play a role on Jan 6th. But, whether or not he is guilty is immaterial. He is Donald... He is entitled to do what he wants. If you see him on 5th Ave, I would get out of there...

Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

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The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

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When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

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Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

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I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

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Actually. She ran on the Trump fraud case in 2018 and opened the case as soon as she took office. This case was going forward whether Trump ran for President or not.

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And do you think this factoid helps or hurts my argument?

Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

---

When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

---

Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

---

I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

---

Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

---

When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

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Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

---

I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

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Ah yes, the "iNsUrReCtIoN" of unarmed people that lasted less time than it takes to drive from Houston to Dallas and saw zero indictments for insurrection... If that swayed you more than the 8 months of democrat encouraged and funded riots that actually killed people and resulted in BILLIONS in damage, including to federal buildings, then you never voted for Trump. Not once. You're just saying what you think will add credibility to your posts. It doesn't.

GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

---

When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

---

Nope

---

Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

---

I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

---

Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

---

So you are good with went down Jan 6th

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs. But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm?

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

---

Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

---

When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

---

Nope

---

Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

---

I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

---

Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

---

So you are good with went down Jan 6th

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs. But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm?

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

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Back to the pipe bomb lies, eh? Might as well lie about the pipe bombs as long as you're ignoring the fact that a Trump explicitly stated that the crowd should demonstrate peacefully, and claiming that 8 months of deadly democrat funded and encouraged riots over a dead criminal was really just a "summer, right? In for a penny, in for a pound, apparently.

FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

---

Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

---

When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

---

Nope

---

Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

---

I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

---

Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

---

So you are good with went down Jan 6th (yes and no)

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.(yes)

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification(yes)

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police (no)

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .(no)

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs.(pipe bombs were planted as were the bricks and other items to use for destructive purposes) But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. (irrational fear) Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm? (Nonsense)

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

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you have a lot of things to work out..

4th and Inches said:

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J.R. said:

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4th and Inches said:

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J.R. said:

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Bank fraud is bank fraud, don't care what state. His level of fraud is just a piece of his make up. Ya, just can't inflate and defeat assets like has always done. It is criminal.

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it wasnt bank fraud..

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Really, dude you are giving little Johnny and old 83 for dumbass posts. It sure as hell was fraud and many, many levels. Tell me about your banking experience. Tell us all why it wasn't fraud. Wow.

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oh yeah, i forgot you sat on the board of some local bank until it got bought out by a tiny regional bank chain..

Go swim in your money scrooge mcduck

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So, fella. Please tell me your banking experience. You obviously have none as you have NO clue about what you speak relative to bank fraud.

J.R. said:

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4th and Inches said:

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J.R. said:

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4th and Inches said:

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J.R. said:

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Bank fraud is bank fraud, don't care what state. His level of fraud is just a piece of his make up. Ya, just can't inflate and defeat assets like has always done. It is criminal.

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it wasnt bank fraud..

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Really, dude you are giving little Johnny and old 83 for dumbass posts. It sure as hell was fraud and many, many levels. Tell me about your banking experience. Tell us all why it wasn't fraud. Wow.

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oh yeah, i forgot you sat on the board of some local bank until it got bought out by a tiny regional bank chain..

Go swim in your money scrooge mcduck

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So, fella. Please tell me your banking experience. You obviously have none as you have NO clue about what you speak relative to bank fraud.

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retired off the board and sold out my shares about 8 years ago..

Bought real estate, nice return based on housing market growth and inflation..

Enjoy your day!

4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

---

When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

---

Nope

---

Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

---

I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

---

Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

---

So you are good with went down Jan 6th (yes and no)

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.(yes)

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification(yes)

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police (no)

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .(no)

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs.(pipe bombs were planted as were the bricks and other items to use for destructive purposes) But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. (irrational fear) Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm? (Nonsense)

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

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you have a lot of things to work out..

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Not really, I know a "bad" action from a "good" action.

I watched that mess, including Trump's show. Anyone that can watch that and say that it was peaceful, nothing happened or it was any semblance of normal has needs to take a long look in the mirror.

Same as watching Putin roll his tanks across the border. Wrong is wrong.

FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

---

Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

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The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

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When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

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Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

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I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

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Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

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So you are good with went down Jan 6th (yes and no)

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.(yes)

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification(yes)

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police (no)

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .(no)

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs.(pipe bombs were planted as were the bricks and other items to use for destructive purposes) But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. (irrational fear) Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm? (Nonsense)

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

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you have a lot of things to work out..

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Not really, I know a "bad" action from a "good" action.

I watched that mess, including Trump's show. Anyone that can watch that and say that it was peaceful, nothing happened or it was any semblance of normal has needs to take a long look in the mirror.

Same as watching Putin roll his tanks across the border. Wrong is wrong.

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so you dont agree that protesting is a constitutionally protected right? You equated it to invading a foriegn country..

You sure you dont need a counseling referral?

sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

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Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

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The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

If the same intensity was focused onto the actions of each ex president……..every single one of them could be legitimately indicted for something.

Or if the political hatred was similarly strong enough……indicted for nothing.


Like or hate Trump; what the Dems have put him through is unconscionable.

And long term ; extremely damaging to our political system .

4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

---

When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

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Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

---

I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

---

Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

---

So you are good with went down Jan 6th (yes and no)

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.(yes)

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification(yes)

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police (no)

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .(no)

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs.(pipe bombs were planted as were the bricks and other items to use for destructive purposes) But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. (irrational fear) Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm? (Nonsense)

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

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you have a lot of things to work out..

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Not really, I know a "bad" action from a "good" action.

I watched that mess, including Trump's show. Anyone that can watch that and say that it was peaceful, nothing happened or it was any semblance of normal has needs to take a long look in the mirror.

Same as watching Putin roll his tanks across the border. Wrong is wrong.

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so you dont agree that protesting is a constitutionally protected right? You equated it to invading a foriegn country..

You sure you dont need a counseling referral?

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All for protesting. Breaking in through windows, rushing doors where Capital Police said not to go and forcing Congress to evacuate. Wearing military gear and communicating by radio to take the building? No, Jan 6th went way beyond protesting. Just like the riots in the Summer, no different. That is not protesting. If they stayed outside and didn't go in, chant to your hearts delight. Send emails by the thousands.

But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Wangchung said:

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Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

The conduct of ex President Trump is unprecedented and that gives pause to me

---

When looking at his behavior in a vacuum, sure. But when looking at his behavior through the lens of what the democrats did to him, the lies they spread and the spying and the investigations based on those lies coupled with the bull**** democrats pulled during the election under the auspices of Covid restrictions, well then his behavior seems almost rational.

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Nope

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Believe me, you didn't have to tell us that you refuse to look at Trump through any kind of actual context beyond "orange man bad". That's been apparent for years.

---

I voted for him twice.
That was before the insurrection...

---

Of old people walking unarmed through the capitol?

---

So you are good with went down Jan 6th (yes and no)

You think the sitting President is cool to go out and call into question an election he lost.(yes)

Direct a crowd to go to Congress and demonstrate during Certification(yes)

Break windows and enter. Attacking Capitol Police (no)

Force their way into the Chambers forcing Congress to leave.
Taking over Congressional offices. .(no)

This was all good. No guns, just 4 pipe bombs.(pipe bombs were planted as were the bricks and other items to use for destructive purposes) But they didn't ignite them. So no harm, no foul. That is how Govt should work.

Trump is the cure right, maybe we should just go to martial law under Trump. (irrational fear) Why do we need the Constitution, Donald and his gang will tell us what we should do. Just like Jan 6. How about it becomes the norm? (Nonsense)

This is where you tell us how in summer of 2020 riots weren't dealt with like you want, so Jan 6 is ok... Right?

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you have a lot of things to work out..

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Not really, I know a "bad" action from a "good" action.

I watched that mess, including Trump's show. Anyone that can watch that and say that it was peaceful, nothing happened or it was any semblance of normal has needs to take a long look in the mirror.

Same as watching Putin roll his tanks across the border. Wrong is wrong.

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so you dont agree that protesting is a constitutionally protected right? You equated it to invading a foriegn country..

You sure you dont need a counseling referral?

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surely cannot be serious thinking that was a protect. That was freaking insurrection . If you don't think it was, you have serious issues .

KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

---

Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

If the same intensity was focused onto the actions of each ex president……..every single one of them could be legitimately indicted for something.

Or if the political hatred was similarly strong enough……indicted for nothing.


Like or hate Trump; what the Dems have put him through is unconscionable.

And long term ; extremely damaging to our political system .

---

Trump brought most of it on himself as he is a petulant child who cannon control himself. Pathological liar doesn't help either. He deserve everything he gets. Hopefully he is bankrupt and in jail.

J.R. said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Last week I spent some time on a long flight reviewing the decision and related documents in this case.

Qualifier: Of all the areas of business, finance, etc., I know less about CE than all others.

But I was struck by the discrepancies in Trump's valuations. For example, there were several instances where Trump sought and received legitimate 3rd-party appraisals, then shortly thereafter provided banks valuations that were double, triple, or more the appraisals - and failed to disclose the appraisals.

The case is not about Mar-a-Lago, which is a common talking point and is more complex that advertised given the building restrictions involved. It's about numerous examples of systematic eye-opening discrepancies.

Now, I have not talked to my colleagues or other CE/banking experts about their thoughts. But I'm guessing most folks on both sides have not actually reviewed the facts.

---

The biggest fact is a fine of over 260 million dollars involving a case of ZERO damages .

Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.

These kinds of of pseudo legal persecutions need to be stopped.

Regardless how one feels about Donald Trump.

---

The amount of the fine will be reduced to a reasonable number. You are caught up on the fine, I am more interested in his guilt. Everyone keeps talking about everything around the fact that he did it and was found guilty. So far the only defenses have been:

1 - Everyone does it.
2 - Witch Hunt he shouldn't be charged, even if he did do it.
3 - Fine is too big. This has to stop

It will be the same with the classified documents. He has the documents. He didn't give them back. Watch we will hear:

1 - Witch Hunt, FBI was wrong
2 - Three years is not enough time
3 - Others haven't been prosecuted
4 - He was negotiating
5 - He mind-melded them all de-classified with a thought

Everything except the fact that he has them. Didn't turn them over when asked.

Guilt doesn't matter with Donald. Bannon has done his job well...

---

Then ask yourself this . . . had Donald Trump not run for (and won) president, would the State of New York have investigated him? Would the DA have run a campaign on getting Donlad Trump?

The honest answer to those questions is No and it should scare the hell out of any business and person in New York - step out of line, watch your back.

This is a banana republic and clearlly a two-tierd justice system.

---

Of course the answer is no. Would Clintons have been investigated for Whitewater? Hunter Biden for his business dealings? President Biden? All the Senators/House from both parties who have been investigated?

The answer to all of these is no. Politicians are targets and that has been happening since before Rome . . . .

---

The persecution of ex president Trump is unprecedented.

And should give pause to all Americans.

---

Agree, but he's done himself no favors, and some charges seem legitimate.

---

If the same intensity was focused onto the actions of each ex president……..every single one of them could be legitimately indicted for something.

Or if the political hatred was similarly strong enough……indicted for nothing.


Like or hate Trump; what the Dems have put him through is unconscionable.

And long term ; extremely damaging to our political system .

---

Trump brought most of it on himself as he is a petulant child who cannon control himself. Pathological liar doesn't help either. He deserve everything he gets. Hopefully he is bankrupt and in jail.

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Agree the old fella shouldn't be president .

But if Trump 'deserves ' bankruptcy and prison so does Biden, Obama, and Bill Clinton.

And there were millions of Americans who thought the same about FDR, Truman , Nixon , LBJ, and JFK.

Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

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8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

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8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

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I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

There it is, no matter what happens, It's TRUMP!!!! Ree! Reee!

No more espresso for you, son.

Oldbear83 said:

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There it is, no matter what happens, It's TRUMP!!!! Ree! Reee!

No more espresso for you, son.

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Because it was, as much as you don't want to admit it. Who was President during the 2020 riots? What Federal charges were brought? If not enough was done, whose fault was it? Either the States, which then shows the riots have nothing to do with the January 6th argument. Or, it was the Fed, which was run by Trump.

Who else can it be? If Hilary or Biden wasn't prosecuted from 2016 to 2020 whose fault is it?

Pretty low blaming 'Give em Hell' Harry, dude's been dead for a long, long time.

Funny though, Truman was the last President in a long time to give a crap about manufacturing or putting America first ... with a couple exceptions who would prolly set you off screaming again.

Oldbear83 said:

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There it is, no matter what happens, It's TRUMP!!!! Ree! Reee!

No more espresso for you, son.

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Trump will/should win the nomination which is just pathetic that's we got. He will get smoked in the General.

FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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But Lefties burning down buildings in Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., that's OK because Trump was not involved ...

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Do you want the Feds going in to those States and arrest them? You want the Fed to have that much power where if they don't agree with the State handling of a crime, the Feds can come in and retry it?


You do know those are State actions, not Federal? To put it in a framework you would understand...


Ok, it is the difference between what Jack Smith is doing and what Georgia is doing to screw Trump. Now that Trump has the Atlanta DA on the ropes, using your logic, Jack Smith would be able to come in and say "We don't think they did a good enough job", so let's do it again. Federal Jurisdiction and State Jurisdiction. I want them to stay separate.


Now, let's talk about the Lefties not being brought up on ANY Federal charges. Why??? Had to be against Trump, only it happened on his watch. TRUMP's DOJ did not prosecute the rioters OR Hillary. TRUMP did not send in Feds to take control and let the lefties riot. But, isn't Trump great?

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8 months of murder, riots and looting, destruction of FEDERAL BUILDINGS and private property is not something the FEDERAL government should stop?

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I agree. I thought Hillary should have been prosecuted. Why didn't Trump do something??? Why did he stay out? He could have ordered DOJ to investigate for Civil Rights abuses. He could have prosecuted for destruction of Federal Property.

What was done??? Some times there is stuff done, we just don't hear about it. The MAGA people scream about it enough, I assume no one was prosecuted and only the Jan 6th people. If nothing was done, why not?

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That's cute. The same doj that has been weaponized against Trump would have listened to his every command, right? Just like Milley, the FBI and the CIA, right? How do you breathe in the vacuum you live in?

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Oldbear83 said:

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There it is, no matter what happens, It's TRUMP!!!! Ree! Reee!

No more espresso for you, son.

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Trump will/should win the nomination which is just pathetic that's we got. He will get smoked in the General.

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I think he'll win, myself. Question is, if that happens what kind of government do we get?

Oldbear83 said:

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J.R. said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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There it is, no matter what happens, It's TRUMP!!!! Ree! Reee!

No more espresso for you, son.

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Trump will/should win the nomination which is just pathetic that's we got. He will get smoked in the General.

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I think he'll win, myself. Question is, if that happens what kind of government do we get?

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Chaos