Trump Federalizes DC police and sends in the national guard

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In reply to Assassin • 1:52p, 8/24/25
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Interesting. There is a zero-tolerance rule in place but DC Police did nothing about this gang


It seems like they all have something in common ... any ideas?
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Assassin said:
Interesting. There is a zero-tolerance rule in place but DC Police did nothing about this gang


It seems like they all have something in common ... any ideas?

I've read about these types of gangs in the streets of NYC where they can zoom around the horrible trafffic there, but not in DC
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In reply to Assassin • 5:04a, 8/25/25
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how long are the NG and Feds there? Can't keep NG activated long term.

Is anything being done to increase the number and efficiency of the DC Police? We need to hear about what they are doing. Are they running more Police Academy classes? Hiring more? Change leadership?

Wish they would follow up these big new making events with the follow up steps to correct the situation.


Not a negative here, just interested in how we solve this stuff. Not get control for a 2 week news story. Thugs are coming back out after the Feds and NG leave.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 7:57a, 8/25/25
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Assassin said:

how long are the NG and Feds there? Can't keep NG activated long term.

Is anything being done to increase the number and efficiency of the DC Police? We need to hear about what they are doing. Are they running more Police Academy classes? Hiring more? Change leadership?

Wish they would follow up these big new making events with the follow up steps to correct the situation.


Not a negative here, just interested in how we solve this stuff. Not get control for a 2 week news story. Thugs are coming back out after the Feds and NG leave.

They definitely need a long term plan. I would imagine that they plan to beef up the DC police force and eventually turn control back over to them while drawing down the NG troops.

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In reply to BearFan33 • 8:15a, 8/25/25
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FLBear5630 said:
Assassin said:

how long are the NG and Feds there? Can't keep NG activated long term.

Is anything being done to increase the number and efficiency of the DC Police? We need to hear about what they are doing. Are they running more Police Academy classes? Hiring more? Change leadership?

Wish they would follow up these big new making events with the follow up steps to correct the situation.


Not a negative here, just interested in how we solve this stuff. Not get control for a 2 week news story. Thugs are coming back out after the Feds and NG leave.

They definitely need a long term plan. I would imagine that they plan to beef up the DC police force and eventually turn control back over to them while drawing down the NG troops.


I would like to see it. I don't even care if Trump picks the new Police Chief, but there has to be a plan.
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8:37a, 8/25/25
What are they doing with all the homeless as they clear out encampments?
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In reply to boognish_bear • 9:39a, 8/25/25
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What are they doing with all the homeless as they clear out encampments?

In many cases the homeless are given one way bus tickets to communities with available facilities.

Unfortunately most such shelters ( often provided by Catholic Charity ) are already overwhelmed.
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What are they doing with all the homeless as they clear out encampments?

Solyent Green?
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5:13p, 8/25/25
When was the last murder in D.C.?
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In reply to boognish_bear • 5:36p, 8/25/25
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Is this really a plan or is he just riffing?


Definitely a plan. Expect to see it in full swing some time around November 7, 2028.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 5:44p, 8/25/25
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KaiBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
Redbrickbear said:

This is a great picture. I am 100% for US Marshalls and other Federal Law Enforcement personnel being used to augment local Police. Well done.

As I said, it is not the "What" it is the "How". There is a huge difference between Federal Law Enforcement and military. I am not for Military combat or support troops for law enforcement outside of MP units. Putting troops and civilians together is not a good idea nor look for the US.

More Law Enforcement trained people and less general troop movements.

Dead people and widespread looting is a much worse 'look'.

Don't give a damn about the 'look' of US troops guarding our streets and people.

Time to stop the total decline of our cities.


We are saying the same thing. I just don't want the military running through US cities, I am strange that way. Give Law Enforcement what they need.

How about taking from that 1T Defense budget and a few hundred million or so more for Law Enforcement. Maybe get beat cops back out in the neighborhoods. That is better than using military for law enforcement.

You keep believing that optics and look doesn't count. We run on 2 year elections, looks always matter.

'Looks' is what got us 8 years of Obama's destruction.

Looks is what caused reduced police presense, no bail legislation, legal pot, trans multilation, hundreds of thousands of mentally ill ( usually caused by drugs ) living and dying on the streets.

Results is what I care about...the quality of people's lives.

Just do it without armed troops walking the streets like Chile. There are some slopes that need to be watched. You guys seem quick to give up basic American standards for Trump. It usually doesn't end well.

You keep acting like Dems are the model and it is an either or. Fund the police and fed law enforcement and prosecute who they catch. Not that complex. Reagan lowered the crime rate by prosecuting and putting them away for their full sentence. DOn't ***** that Government spending is going up when you have to maintain prisons. I have no issues, prosecute and put them away.

Don't give a DAMN about troops helping police. Really think the victims of violent crime would not have wished those troops had been there ?







Yup, get those trains on time. Watch what you wish for...

If some gang banger has his gun lodged into your gut....really believe your priority will be train times ?

We are talking policy, which has to look at the bigger picture and ramifications than 1 individuals' tactical situation. In that situation, you are not going to care if Jill Biden is holding a gun on the guy to rescue you. Although, I can't think of a worse situation for some on this Board than having to admit that Jill Biden saved their life...

If we want to get into individual tactical situations we can. We can start with population training on situational awareness and not putting yourself in bad situations. Let's look at the numbers of those in the situation you are talking about before making America a Police State.







Excellent points. Not many understand the dangers of using the military for domestic law enforcement. They are trained to identify and destroy enemies, not to police your neighbors when they misbehave.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 5:46p, 8/25/25
boognish_bear said:

Interesting

It was well known NEVER to wear a luxury watch in DC.

Same goes for LA.

( even though Beverly Hills is one of the top 5 places in the US to buy them )
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FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
Redbrickbear said:

This is a great picture. I am 100% for US Marshalls and other Federal Law Enforcement personnel being used to augment local Police. Well done.

As I said, it is not the "What" it is the "How". There is a huge difference between Federal Law Enforcement and military. I am not for Military combat or support troops for law enforcement outside of MP units. Putting troops and civilians together is not a good idea nor look for the US.

More Law Enforcement trained people and less general troop movements.

Dead people and widespread looting is a much worse 'look'.

Don't give a damn about the 'look' of US troops guarding our streets and people.

Time to stop the total decline of our cities.


We are saying the same thing. I just don't want the military running through US cities, I am strange that way. Give Law Enforcement what they need.

How about taking from that 1T Defense budget and a few hundred million or so more for Law Enforcement. Maybe get beat cops back out in the neighborhoods. That is better than using military for law enforcement.

You keep believing that optics and look doesn't count. We run on 2 year elections, looks always matter.

'Looks' is what got us 8 years of Obama's destruction.

Looks is what caused reduced police presense, no bail legislation, legal pot, trans multilation, hundreds of thousands of mentally ill ( usually caused by drugs ) living and dying on the streets.

Results is what I care about...the quality of people's lives.

Just do it without armed troops walking the streets like Chile. There are some slopes that need to be watched. You guys seem quick to give up basic American standards for Trump. It usually doesn't end well.

You keep acting like Dems are the model and it is an either or. Fund the police and fed law enforcement and prosecute who they catch. Not that complex. Reagan lowered the crime rate by prosecuting and putting them away for their full sentence. DOn't ***** that Government spending is going up when you have to maintain prisons. I have no issues, prosecute and put them away.

Don't give a DAMN about troops helping police. Really think the victims of violent crime would not have wished those troops had been there ?







Yup, get those trains on time. Watch what you wish for...

If some gang banger has his gun lodged into your gut....really believe your priority will be train times ?

We are talking policy, which has to look at the bigger picture and ramifications than 1 individuals' tactical situation. In that situation, you are not going to care if Jill Biden is holding a gun on the guy to rescue you. Although, I can't think of a worse situation for some on this Board than having to admit that Jill Biden saved their life...

If we want to get into individual tactical situations we can. We can start with population training on situational awareness and not putting yourself in bad situations. Let's look at the numbers of those in the situation you are talking about before making America a Police State.







Excellent points. Not many understand the dangers of using the military for domestic law enforcement. They are trained to identify and destroy enemies, not to police your neighbors when they misbehave.


I think the results in DC so far speak for themselves. But with TDS we understand why you answer this way.
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Sam Lowry said:
FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
Redbrickbear said:

This is a great picture. I am 100% for US Marshalls and other Federal Law Enforcement personnel being used to augment local Police. Well done.

As I said, it is not the "What" it is the "How". There is a huge difference between Federal Law Enforcement and military. I am not for Military combat or support troops for law enforcement outside of MP units. Putting troops and civilians together is not a good idea nor look for the US.

More Law Enforcement trained people and less general troop movements.

Dead people and widespread looting is a much worse 'look'.

Don't give a damn about the 'look' of US troops guarding our streets and people.

Time to stop the total decline of our cities.


We are saying the same thing. I just don't want the military running through US cities, I am strange that way. Give Law Enforcement what they need.

How about taking from that 1T Defense budget and a few hundred million or so more for Law Enforcement. Maybe get beat cops back out in the neighborhoods. That is better than using military for law enforcement.

You keep believing that optics and look doesn't count. We run on 2 year elections, looks always matter.

'Looks' is what got us 8 years of Obama's destruction.

Looks is what caused reduced police presense, no bail legislation, legal pot, trans multilation, hundreds of thousands of mentally ill ( usually caused by drugs ) living and dying on the streets.

Results is what I care about...the quality of people's lives.

Just do it without armed troops walking the streets like Chile. There are some slopes that need to be watched. You guys seem quick to give up basic American standards for Trump. It usually doesn't end well.

You keep acting like Dems are the model and it is an either or. Fund the police and fed law enforcement and prosecute who they catch. Not that complex. Reagan lowered the crime rate by prosecuting and putting them away for their full sentence. DOn't ***** that Government spending is going up when you have to maintain prisons. I have no issues, prosecute and put them away.

Don't give a DAMN about troops helping police. Really think the victims of violent crime would not have wished those troops had been there ?







Yup, get those trains on time. Watch what you wish for...

If some gang banger has his gun lodged into your gut....really believe your priority will be train times ?

We are talking policy, which has to look at the bigger picture and ramifications than 1 individuals' tactical situation. In that situation, you are not going to care if Jill Biden is holding a gun on the guy to rescue you. Although, I can't think of a worse situation for some on this Board than having to admit that Jill Biden saved their life...

If we want to get into individual tactical situations we can. We can start with population training on situational awareness and not putting yourself in bad situations. Let's look at the numbers of those in the situation you are talking about before making America a Police State.







Excellent points. Not many understand the dangers of using the military for domestic law enforcement. They are trained to identify and destroy enemies, not to police your neighbors when they misbehave.


I think the results in DC so far speak for themselves. But with TDS we understand why you answer this way.

Train fallacy revisited. The principle long predates Trump.
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In reply to Assassin • 10:54p, 8/25/25
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Suspect people who STILL criticize Trump for cleaning up DC have never been threatened with a gun, carjacked, mugged , or assaulted by a mob.
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She could have spun that reporter's head around if she had started talking about single-parent families being a root cause of crime.
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The fact that there are large swaths of cities rife with crime tells me the municipal voting is suspect. Are the people there truly choosing to live that way by reelecting the same group of people, or are they just convinced that the system is rigged.
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The fact that there are large swaths of cities rife with crime tells me the municipal voting is suspect. Are the people there truly choosing to live that way by reelecting the same group of people, or are they just convinced that the system is rigged.

Maybe the people of Washington, DC were just glad to see violent crime at a 30-year low before Trump started his martial law "crime deterrence" operation.
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In reply to ScottS • 5:39a, 8/26/25
ScottS said:
Sam Lowry said:
FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
Redbrickbear said:

This is a great picture. I am 100% for US Marshalls and other Federal Law Enforcement personnel being used to augment local Police. Well done.

As I said, it is not the "What" it is the "How". There is a huge difference between Federal Law Enforcement and military. I am not for Military combat or support troops for law enforcement outside of MP units. Putting troops and civilians together is not a good idea nor look for the US.

More Law Enforcement trained people and less general troop movements.

Dead people and widespread looting is a much worse 'look'.

Don't give a damn about the 'look' of US troops guarding our streets and people.

Time to stop the total decline of our cities.


We are saying the same thing. I just don't want the military running through US cities, I am strange that way. Give Law Enforcement what they need.

How about taking from that 1T Defense budget and a few hundred million or so more for Law Enforcement. Maybe get beat cops back out in the neighborhoods. That is better than using military for law enforcement.

You keep believing that optics and look doesn't count. We run on 2 year elections, looks always matter.

'Looks' is what got us 8 years of Obama's destruction.

Looks is what caused reduced police presense, no bail legislation, legal pot, trans multilation, hundreds of thousands of mentally ill ( usually caused by drugs ) living and dying on the streets.

Results is what I care about...the quality of people's lives.

Just do it without armed troops walking the streets like Chile. There are some slopes that need to be watched. You guys seem quick to give up basic American standards for Trump. It usually doesn't end well.

You keep acting like Dems are the model and it is an either or. Fund the police and fed law enforcement and prosecute who they catch. Not that complex. Reagan lowered the crime rate by prosecuting and putting them away for their full sentence. DOn't ***** that Government spending is going up when you have to maintain prisons. I have no issues, prosecute and put them away.

Don't give a DAMN about troops helping police. Really think the victims of violent crime would not have wished those troops had been there ?







Yup, get those trains on time. Watch what you wish for...

If some gang banger has his gun lodged into your gut....really believe your priority will be train times ?

We are talking policy, which has to look at the bigger picture and ramifications than 1 individuals' tactical situation. In that situation, you are not going to care if Jill Biden is holding a gun on the guy to rescue you. Although, I can't think of a worse situation for some on this Board than having to admit that Jill Biden saved their life...

If we want to get into individual tactical situations we can. We can start with population training on situational awareness and not putting yourself in bad situations. Let's look at the numbers of those in the situation you are talking about before making America a Police State.







Excellent points. Not many understand the dangers of using the military for domestic law enforcement. They are trained to identify and destroy enemies, not to police your neighbors when they misbehave.


I think the results in DC so far speak for themselves. But with TDS we understand why you answer this way.

Let's discuss the results. What are they? Besides the immediate TV shot or meme what are the results and how long are they sustainable? How long can you keep Fred the guy from HEB deployed? These are National Guard troops, not active duty. They have other jobs.

Do we make them permanent Guard? Replace them at work? What has been done to solve anything? So far, we have NG deployments up to 30 days. We are now creating Special Units of the National Guard for civilian control. Any talk of graduating more cops? Changes in the Police Academies admissions? I am sure the curriculum will change, more tactical less neighborhood patrolling. But, the militarization of Police is a whole other conversation... Is there any discussion on what is being done to fix the problems besides more Federal control by troops? No one sees a potential issue down the road? Do you want to live in a Police State?

I am sorry, there is a difference between conservative being for law and order and being for this:


(example of militarized policing, not saying this is DC.)


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In reply to Redbrickbear • 5:58a, 8/26/25
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Exactly, we do not have to use combat troops in Red Cities. Why? Even the bad areas of Miami, it is not bad enough that we are activating the National Guard to come in to control the streets? Why? What happened that made this a top priority to take over American cities?

For as long as there have been cities there have been bad areas. You grow up in those Cities, you learn how to avoid the bad areas, if you want to avoid trouble. If you want to find it, it is there. I remember my Grandfather, who drove locomotives and the subways, introducing me to the Transit Cops in NYC. At 7, being told where he goes you go. If he leaves your car at night, you leave. Part of life. DC was never that bad, I rode the subway there a lot for work. You can walk to Capital games and be left alone. I was much more nervous in Baraam and Dharan Saudi in the 1990s than ever in DC.

Downtown Detroit, was another story... Even there, got looks but no issues. Just trying to see what is pushing this Fed expansion and everyone on here that hated "Government" now cheering.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 8:23a, 8/26/25
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EatMoreSalmon said:
The fact that there are large swaths of cities rife with crime tells me the municipal voting is suspect. Are the people there truly choosing to live that way by reelecting the same group of people, or are they just convinced that the system is rigged.

Maybe the people of Washington, DC were just glad to see violent crime at a 30-year low before Trump started his martial law "crime deterrence" operation.

You mean the heavily fudged numbers 30-year low per the DC Police Union?
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I'm wondering if its the presence of the NG troops, the takeover of the DC police or the threat of actual prosecution of crime that is most responsible for the crime # improvement. It's probably all 3.
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Sam Lowry said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
The fact that there are large swaths of cities rife with crime tells me the municipal voting is suspect. Are the people there truly choosing to live that way by reelecting the same group of people, or are they just convinced that the system is rigged.

Maybe the people of Washington, DC were just glad to see violent crime at a 30-year low before Trump started his martial law "crime deterrence" operation.

You mean the heavily fudged numbers 30-year low per the DC Police Union?


Geez, pick your numbers. You can get them to say anything, welcome to Big Data. AI will slice and give it to get your desired result.
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Assassin said:
Sam Lowry said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
enThe fact that there are large swaths of cities rife with crime tells me the municipal voting is suspect. Are the people there truly choosing to live that way by reelecting the same group of people, or are they just convinced that the system is rigged.

Maybe the people of Washington, DC were just glad to see violent crime at a 30-year low before Trump started his martial law "crime deterrence" operation.

You mean the heavily fudged numbers 30-year low per the DC Police Union?


Geez, pick your numbers. You can get them to say anything, welcome to Big Data. AI will slice and give it to get your desired result.

True, but in the case of DC, they absolutely lied. They changed homicides to home accidents, even they they were obviously murdered and so forth. That was from the DC Police Union, re what they were told by the 'up high' to do

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/congress-investigating-allegations-that-dc-police-manipulated-crime-data/3979663/
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FLBear5630 said:
Assassin said:
Sam Lowry said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
enThe fact that there are large swaths of cities rife with crime tells me the municipal voting is suspect. Are the people there truly choosing to live that way by reelecting the same group of people, or are they just convinced that the system is rigged.

Maybe the people of Washington, DC were just glad to see violent crime at a 30-year low before Trump started his martial law "crime deterrence" operation.

You mean the heavily fudged numbers 30-year low per the DC Police Union?


Geez, pick your numbers. You can get them to say anything, welcome to Big Data. AI will slice and give it to get your desired result.

True, but in the case of DC, they absolutely lied. They changed homicides to home accidents, even they they were obviously murdered and so forth. That was from the DC Police Union, re what they were told by the 'up high' to do


I am not a fan of National Guard deployments for performance issues. I do not like to see US troops or tactical police patrolling US streets. This is a bad precedent.
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EatMoreSalmon said:
enThe fact that there are large swaths of cities rife with crime tells me the municipal voting is suspect. Are the people there truly choosing to live that way by reelecting the same group of people, or are they just convinced that the system is rigged.

Maybe the people of Washington, DC were just glad to see violent crime at a 30-year low before Trump started his martial law "crime deterrence" operation.

You mean the heavily fudged numbers 30-year low per the DC Police Union?


Geez, pick your numbers. You can get them to say anything, welcome to Big Data. AI will slice and give it to get your desired result.

True, but in the case of DC, they absolutely lied. They changed homicides to home accidents, even they they were obviously murdered and so forth. That was from the DC Police Union, re what they were told by the 'up high' to do


I am not a fan of National Guard deployments for performance issues. I do not like to see US troops or tactical police patrolling US streets. This is a bad precedent. Is crime alone enough For federal takeover.
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