Massie - just an open borders globalist

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BearFan33
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The_barBEARian said:



I'm a little amazed by the numbers, but IMO Massie doomed himself with being in continuous open conflict with a president that was quite popular in his district.
boognish_bear
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Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.


Did he blame Jews as a people or did he blame the actions of the country of Israel?
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.

1) Jews deserve blame for their scams

2) Epstein (a Jewish pedophile) is not a conspiracy you Boomer halfwit... Prince Andrew would not have been removed from the Royal family if there was nothing there. Trump is clearly protecting these cretins and the Republican party is going to get hammered for it in November and it will be well deserved

1) Are all whites deserving of blame when a white person commits a scam? Or does collective guilt only apply to Jews?

2) So, can you provide us with some evidence that Trump is "clearly protecting" pedophiles? I mean, if it is that obvious to a super-intelligent millennial such as yourself, and should be obvious to anyone outside of a "Boomer halfwit," surely you have some evidence that Trump is actively trying to cover up this massive pedophile ring and why?

I'll hang up and listen.
Mothra
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boognish_bear said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.


Did he blame Jews as a people or did he blame the actions of the country of Israel?

So, the Israel blame game then.
The_barBEARian
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.

1) Jews deserve blame for their scams

2) Epstein (a Jewish pedophile) is not a conspiracy you Boomer halfwit... Prince Andrew would not have been removed from the Royal family if there was nothing there. Trump is clearly protecting these cretins and the Republican party is going to get hammered for it in November and it will be well deserved

1) Are all whites deserving of blame when a white person commits a scam? Or does collective guilt only apply to Jews?

2) So, can you provide us with some evidence that Trump is "clearly protecting" pedophiles? I mean, if it is that obvious to a super-intelligent millennial such as yourself, and should be obvious to anyone outside of a "Boomer halfwit," surely you have some evidence that Trump is actively trying to cover up this massive pedophile ring and why?

I'll hang up and listen.


1) I didnt say "all" you halfwit. Poor attempt to misrepresent my position. My problem with you is you are such a super goy that you will defend a Jew even if he is the most reprehensible immoral monster to ever exist bcs you believe he is "God's Chosen" and superior to all others

2) Put me in charge of the FBI or the CIA for a week and I will publish a dossier exposing all the corrupt bankers, intelligent agents, politicians, and foreign leaders who are implicated in the Epstein criminal syndicate.
It's obvious to anyone with half a brain but for me to definitively debunk you halfwits who think its "nothing" I need to the full power that the people covering it up have bcs halfwits like you want to believe that these evil *******s are innocent
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.

1) Jews deserve blame for their scams

2) Epstein (a Jewish pedophile) is not a conspiracy you Boomer halfwit... Prince Andrew would not have been removed from the Royal family if there was nothing there. Trump is clearly protecting these cretins and the Republican party is going to get hammered for it in November and it will be well deserved

1) Are all whites deserving of blame when a white person commits a scam? Or does collective guilt only apply to Jews?

2) So, can you provide us with some evidence that Trump is "clearly protecting" pedophiles? I mean, if it is that obvious to a super-intelligent millennial such as yourself, and should be obvious to anyone outside of a "Boomer halfwit," surely you have some evidence that Trump is actively trying to cover up this massive pedophile ring and why?

I'll hang up and listen.


1) I didnt say "all" you halfwit. Poor attempt to misrepresent my position. My problem with you is you are such a super goy that you will defend a Jew even if he is the most reprehensible immoral monster to ever exist bcs you believe he is "God's Chosen" and superior to all others

2) Put me in charge of the FBI or the CIA for a week and I will publish a dossier exposing all the corrupt bankers, intelligent agents, politicians, and foreign leaders who are implicated in the Epstein criminal syndicate.
It's obvious to anyone with half a brain but for me to definitively debunk you halfwits who think its "nothing" I need to the full power that the people covering it up have bcs halfwits like you want to believe that these evil *******s are innocent

1) If that's the case, why say "Jews"? How about, individuals deserve blame for their scams, regardless of their race?

The truth is, you do assign collective guilt. These comments of yours aren't made in a vacuum. I recall you blaming "Jews" for the porn industry.

I am not sure what a "super goy" is, but none of what you described about me is accurate. I think you confuse someone who doesn't hate and blame Jews as you do, as "goy."

2) So, the answer is, "I don't have jack **** for evidence."
The_barBEARian
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.

1) Jews deserve blame for their scams

2) Epstein (a Jewish pedophile) is not a conspiracy you Boomer halfwit... Prince Andrew would not have been removed from the Royal family if there was nothing there. Trump is clearly protecting these cretins and the Republican party is going to get hammered for it in November and it will be well deserved

1) Are all whites deserving of blame when a white person commits a scam? Or does collective guilt only apply to Jews?

2) So, can you provide us with some evidence that Trump is "clearly protecting" pedophiles? I mean, if it is that obvious to a super-intelligent millennial such as yourself, and should be obvious to anyone outside of a "Boomer halfwit," surely you have some evidence that Trump is actively trying to cover up this massive pedophile ring and why?

I'll hang up and listen.


1) I didnt say "all" you halfwit. Poor attempt to misrepresent my position. My problem with you is you are such a super goy that you will defend a Jew even if he is the most reprehensible immoral monster to ever exist bcs you believe he is "God's Chosen" and superior to all others

2) Put me in charge of the FBI or the CIA for a week and I will publish a dossier exposing all the corrupt bankers, intelligent agents, politicians, and foreign leaders who are implicated in the Epstein criminal syndicate.
It's obvious to anyone with half a brain but for me to definitively debunk you halfwits who think its "nothing" I need to the full power that the people covering it up have bcs halfwits like you want to believe that these evil *******s are innocent

1) If that's the case, why say "Jews"? How about, individuals deserve blame for their scams, regardless of their race?

The truth is, you do assign collective guilt. These comments of yours aren't made in a vacuum. I recall you blaming "Jews" for the porn industry.

I am not sure what a "super goy" is, but none of what you described about me is accurate. I think you confuse someone who doesn't hate and blame Jews as you do, as "goy."

2) So, the answer is, "I don't have jack **** for evidence."


2 cont...) I have posted many very informative links providing plenty of evidence and even specific names of individuals who committed crimes in association w/ Epstein in the Epstein thread.

Go through and read the damn thread instead of calling it nothing.

Guys like you arent interested in the truth. Defending jews at all costs, even monsters that abused children, is a spiritual calling for you bcs you actually believe these people are "God's Chosen" and the Noahide laws allow them to commit crimes against non-Jews bcs it is their divine right
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Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.


Did he blame Jews as a people or did he blame the actions of the country of Israel?

So, the Israel blame game then.
If critiquing policy toward Israel is a litmus test, you're giving fodder to the extremes. Massie wasn't anywhere near some of the more radical anti-zionists.

But that's the cover story, not the real one. Trump wants sycophants and bootlickers, and he goes as hard after his party mates as he does the opposition. Loyalty above all else is how he operates, and everyone else be damned.
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This is an entirely new bit of information I just discovered today. I mean who among us hasnt won $80 million from a lotto ticket at least once in our lives?

Everyone knows billionaires are notorious for gambling on lotto tickets... they dont call the lotto a rich man's tax for nothing, right?

Did Jeffrey Epstein Win Powerball Lottery In 2008? Zorro Trust Jackpot Viral Claim Fact-Checked
BearFan33
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ATL Bear said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.


Did he blame Jews as a people or did he blame the actions of the country of Israel?

So, the Israel blame game then.

If critiquing policy toward Israel is a litmus test, you're giving fodder to the extremes. Massie wasn't anywhere near some of the more radical anti-zionists.

But that's the cover story, not the real one. Trump wants sycophants and bootlickers, and he goes as hard after his party mates as he does the opposition. Loyalty above all else is how he operates, and everyone else be damned.

While I agree Trump values loyalty, disagreements within the party should be solved in private and not be fodder for the opposition.
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BearFan33 said:

ATL Bear said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.


Did he blame Jews as a people or did he blame the actions of the country of Israel?

So, the Israel blame game then.

If critiquing policy toward Israel is a litmus test, you're giving fodder to the extremes. Massie wasn't anywhere near some of the more radical anti-zionists.

But that's the cover story, not the real one. Trump wants sycophants and bootlickers, and he goes as hard after his party mates as he does the opposition. Loyalty above all else is how he operates, and everyone else be damned.

While I agree Trump values loyalty, disagreements within the party should be solved in private and not be fodder for the opposition.
Then I recommend you first get that message to X keyboard commando Trump.
BearFan33
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ATL Bear said:

BearFan33 said:

ATL Bear said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.


Did he blame Jews as a people or did he blame the actions of the country of Israel?

So, the Israel blame game then.

If critiquing policy toward Israel is a litmus test, you're giving fodder to the extremes. Massie wasn't anywhere near some of the more radical anti-zionists.

But that's the cover story, not the real one. Trump wants sycophants and bootlickers, and he goes as hard after his party mates as he does the opposition. Loyalty above all else is how he operates, and everyone else be damned.

While I agree Trump values loyalty, disagreements within the party should be solved in private and not be fodder for the opposition.

Then I recommend you first get that message to X keyboard commando Trump.

Note to any current or aspiring republican out there: Trump acts like a child and has to get the last word on the playground.

His behavior is not a secret.

Why poke the bear?
Mothra
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ATL Bear said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.


Did he blame Jews as a people or did he blame the actions of the country of Israel?

So, the Israel blame game then.

If critiquing policy toward Israel is a litmus test, you're giving fodder to the extremes. Massie wasn't anywhere near some of the more radical anti-zionists.

But that's the cover story, not the real one. Trump wants sycophants and bootlickers, and he goes as hard after his party mates as he does the opposition. Loyalty above all else is how he operates, and everyone else be damned.

Nobody is saying that merely critiquing Israeli policy is antisemitic. The issue isn't whether someone criticizes Israel, it's how they do it. When the rhetoric leans on insinuations about hidden influence, dual loyalty, or shadowy control over U.S. politics - which is absolutely what Massie has insinuated, including in his concession speech - that's not ordinary policy critique. That's where it starts to overlap with longstanding antisemitic tropes and conspiracies.

Massie may be more subtle than others, but he still engages in such rhetoric.
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.

1) Jews deserve blame for their scams

2) Epstein (a Jewish pedophile) is not a conspiracy you Boomer halfwit... Prince Andrew would not have been removed from the Royal family if there was nothing there. Trump is clearly protecting these cretins and the Republican party is going to get hammered for it in November and it will be well deserved

1) Are all whites deserving of blame when a white person commits a scam? Or does collective guilt only apply to Jews?

2) So, can you provide us with some evidence that Trump is "clearly protecting" pedophiles? I mean, if it is that obvious to a super-intelligent millennial such as yourself, and should be obvious to anyone outside of a "Boomer halfwit," surely you have some evidence that Trump is actively trying to cover up this massive pedophile ring and why?

I'll hang up and listen.


1) I didnt say "all" you halfwit. Poor attempt to misrepresent my position. My problem with you is you are such a super goy that you will defend a Jew even if he is the most reprehensible immoral monster to ever exist bcs you believe he is "God's Chosen" and superior to all others

2) Put me in charge of the FBI or the CIA for a week and I will publish a dossier exposing all the corrupt bankers, intelligent agents, politicians, and foreign leaders who are implicated in the Epstein criminal syndicate.
It's obvious to anyone with half a brain but for me to definitively debunk you halfwits who think its "nothing" I need to the full power that the people covering it up have bcs halfwits like you want to believe that these evil *******s are innocent

1) If that's the case, why say "Jews"? How about, individuals deserve blame for their scams, regardless of their race?

The truth is, you do assign collective guilt. These comments of yours aren't made in a vacuum. I recall you blaming "Jews" for the porn industry.

I am not sure what a "super goy" is, but none of what you described about me is accurate. I think you confuse someone who doesn't hate and blame Jews as you do, as "goy."

2) So, the answer is, "I don't have jack **** for evidence."


2 cont...) I have posted many very informative links providing plenty of evidence and even specific names of individuals who committed crimes in association w/ Epstein in the Epstein thread.

Go through and read the damn thread instead of calling it nothing.

Guys like you arent interested in the truth. Defending jews at all costs, even monsters that abused children, is a spiritual calling for you bcs you actually believe these people are "God's Chosen" and the Noahide laws allow them to commit crimes against non-Jews bcs it is their divine right

What you're doing here blends several different, independent issues into one sweeping claim, which is a common pattern in conspiracy thinking.

No one is denying that Jeffrey Epstein committed serious, well-documented crimes or that he had connections to powerful people. Those facts have been established through investigations, court records, and victim testimony. However, acknowledging these things does not automatically prove the existence of a coordinated, top-down political conspiracy directed by a specific individual - in this case Trump. Investigations into Epstein spanned multiple administrations and involved journalists, prosecutors, and courts over many years, and a claim of a massive, organized cover-up would require strong, independently verified evidence. Simply posting a large number of links or citing names does not establish proof; what matters is whether those sources are credible, whether they directly support the claim being made, and whether they have been validated through reliable investigation or legal scrutiny.

As for your rhetoric regarding my support of the Jews, that is just more of your baseless bull***** Anyone who has read your posts knows you constantly introduce completely baseless and prejudicial assertions that are widely recognized as conspiracy tropes and undermine any serious discussion.
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.

1) Jews deserve blame for their scams

2) Epstein (a Jewish pedophile) is not a conspiracy you Boomer halfwit... Prince Andrew would not have been removed from the Royal family if there was nothing there. Trump is clearly protecting these cretins and the Republican party is going to get hammered for it in November and it will be well deserved

1) Are all whites deserving of blame when a white person commits a scam? Or does collective guilt only apply to Jews?

2) So, can you provide us with some evidence that Trump is "clearly protecting" pedophiles? I mean, if it is that obvious to a super-intelligent millennial such as yourself, and should be obvious to anyone outside of a "Boomer halfwit," surely you have some evidence that Trump is actively trying to cover up this massive pedophile ring and why?

I'll hang up and listen.


1) I didnt say "all" you halfwit. Poor attempt to misrepresent my position. My problem with you is you are such a super goy that you will defend a Jew even if he is the most reprehensible immoral monster to ever exist bcs you believe he is "God's Chosen" and superior to all others

2) Put me in charge of the FBI or the CIA for a week and I will publish a dossier exposing all the corrupt bankers, intelligent agents, politicians, and foreign leaders who are implicated in the Epstein criminal syndicate.
It's obvious to anyone with half a brain but for me to definitively debunk you halfwits who think its "nothing" I need to the full power that the people covering it up have bcs halfwits like you want to believe that these evil *******s are innocent

1) If that's the case, why say "Jews"? How about, individuals deserve blame for their scams, regardless of their race?

The truth is, you do assign collective guilt. These comments of yours aren't made in a vacuum. I recall you blaming "Jews" for the porn industry.

I am not sure what a "super goy" is, but none of what you described about me is accurate. I think you confuse someone who doesn't hate and blame Jews as you do, as "goy."

2) So, the answer is, "I don't have jack **** for evidence."


2 cont...) I have posted many very informative links providing plenty of evidence and even specific names of individuals who committed crimes in association w/ Epstein in the Epstein thread.

Go through and read the damn thread instead of calling it nothing.

Guys like you arent interested in the truth. Defending jews at all costs, even monsters that abused children, is a spiritual calling for you bcs you actually believe these people are "God's Chosen" and the Noahide laws allow them to commit crimes against non-Jews bcs it is their divine right

What you're doing here blends several different, independent issues into one sweeping claim, which is a common pattern in conspiracy thinking.

No one is denying that Jeffrey Epstein committed serious, well-documented crimes or that he had connections to powerful people. Those facts have been established through investigations, court records, and victim testimony. However, acknowledging these things does not automatically prove the existence of a coordinated, top-down political conspiracy directed by a specific individual - in this case Trump. Investigations into Epstein spanned multiple administrations and involved journalists, prosecutors, and courts over many years, and a claim of a massive, organized cover-up would require strong, independently verified evidence. Simply posting a large number of links or citing names does not establish proof; what matters is whether those sources are credible, whether they directly support the claim being made, and whether they have been validated through reliable investigation or legal scrutiny.

As for your rhetoric regarding my support of the Jews, that is just more of your baseless bull***** Anyone who has read your posts knows you constantly introduce completely baseless and prejudicial assertions that are widely recognized as conspiracy tropes and undermine any serious discussion.


A Democrat Dpeaker might be good for the country

Mothra
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Osodecentx said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.

1) Jews deserve blame for their scams

2) Epstein (a Jewish pedophile) is not a conspiracy you Boomer halfwit... Prince Andrew would not have been removed from the Royal family if there was nothing there. Trump is clearly protecting these cretins and the Republican party is going to get hammered for it in November and it will be well deserved

1) Are all whites deserving of blame when a white person commits a scam? Or does collective guilt only apply to Jews?

2) So, can you provide us with some evidence that Trump is "clearly protecting" pedophiles? I mean, if it is that obvious to a super-intelligent millennial such as yourself, and should be obvious to anyone outside of a "Boomer halfwit," surely you have some evidence that Trump is actively trying to cover up this massive pedophile ring and why?

I'll hang up and listen.


1) I didnt say "all" you halfwit. Poor attempt to misrepresent my position. My problem with you is you are such a super goy that you will defend a Jew even if he is the most reprehensible immoral monster to ever exist bcs you believe he is "God's Chosen" and superior to all others

2) Put me in charge of the FBI or the CIA for a week and I will publish a dossier exposing all the corrupt bankers, intelligent agents, politicians, and foreign leaders who are implicated in the Epstein criminal syndicate.
It's obvious to anyone with half a brain but for me to definitively debunk you halfwits who think its "nothing" I need to the full power that the people covering it up have bcs halfwits like you want to believe that these evil *******s are innocent

1) If that's the case, why say "Jews"? How about, individuals deserve blame for their scams, regardless of their race?

The truth is, you do assign collective guilt. These comments of yours aren't made in a vacuum. I recall you blaming "Jews" for the porn industry.

I am not sure what a "super goy" is, but none of what you described about me is accurate. I think you confuse someone who doesn't hate and blame Jews as you do, as "goy."

2) So, the answer is, "I don't have jack **** for evidence."


2 cont...) I have posted many very informative links providing plenty of evidence and even specific names of individuals who committed crimes in association w/ Epstein in the Epstein thread.

Go through and read the damn thread instead of calling it nothing.

Guys like you arent interested in the truth. Defending jews at all costs, even monsters that abused children, is a spiritual calling for you bcs you actually believe these people are "God's Chosen" and the Noahide laws allow them to commit crimes against non-Jews bcs it is their divine right

What you're doing here blends several different, independent issues into one sweeping claim, which is a common pattern in conspiracy thinking.

No one is denying that Jeffrey Epstein committed serious, well-documented crimes or that he had connections to powerful people. Those facts have been established through investigations, court records, and victim testimony. However, acknowledging these things does not automatically prove the existence of a coordinated, top-down political conspiracy directed by a specific individual - in this case Trump. Investigations into Epstein spanned multiple administrations and involved journalists, prosecutors, and courts over many years, and a claim of a massive, organized cover-up would require strong, independently verified evidence. Simply posting a large number of links or citing names does not establish proof; what matters is whether those sources are credible, whether they directly support the claim being made, and whether they have been validated through reliable investigation or legal scrutiny.

As for your rhetoric regarding my support of the Jews, that is just more of your baseless bull***** Anyone who has read your posts knows you constantly introduce completely baseless and prejudicial assertions that are widely recognized as conspiracy tropes and undermine any serious discussion.


A Democrat Dpeaker might be good for the country



We had Nancy Pelosi from 2019 to 2023, along with a Democrat administration to boot. I suppose they were also involved in this massive, govt. conspiracy to cover up a pedophile ring.

The real question is, why did they cover up Trump's participation? I mean, their DOJ prosecuted or sought to prosecute Trump for multiple crimes. Why in the world would they not have done so over his involvement in Epstein's pedophile ring?
Osodecentx
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Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.

1) Jews deserve blame for their scams

2) Epstein (a Jewish pedophile) is not a conspiracy you Boomer halfwit... Prince Andrew would not have been removed from the Royal family if there was nothing there. Trump is clearly protecting these cretins and the Republican party is going to get hammered for it in November and it will be well deserved

1) Are all whites deserving of blame when a white person commits a scam? Or does collective guilt only apply to Jews?

2) So, can you provide us with some evidence that Trump is "clearly protecting" pedophiles? I mean, if it is that obvious to a super-intelligent millennial such as yourself, and should be obvious to anyone outside of a "Boomer halfwit," surely you have some evidence that Trump is actively trying to cover up this massive pedophile ring and why?

I'll hang up and listen.


1) I didnt say "all" you halfwit. Poor attempt to misrepresent my position. My problem with you is you are such a super goy that you will defend a Jew even if he is the most reprehensible immoral monster to ever exist bcs you believe he is "God's Chosen" and superior to all others

2) Put me in charge of the FBI or the CIA for a week and I will publish a dossier exposing all the corrupt bankers, intelligent agents, politicians, and foreign leaders who are implicated in the Epstein criminal syndicate.
It's obvious to anyone with half a brain but for me to definitively debunk you halfwits who think its "nothing" I need to the full power that the people covering it up have bcs halfwits like you want to believe that these evil *******s are innocent

1) If that's the case, why say "Jews"? How about, individuals deserve blame for their scams, regardless of their race?

The truth is, you do assign collective guilt. These comments of yours aren't made in a vacuum. I recall you blaming "Jews" for the porn industry.

I am not sure what a "super goy" is, but none of what you described about me is accurate. I think you confuse someone who doesn't hate and blame Jews as you do, as "goy."

2) So, the answer is, "I don't have jack **** for evidence."


2 cont...) I have posted many very informative links providing plenty of evidence and even specific names of individuals who committed crimes in association w/ Epstein in the Epstein thread.

Go through and read the damn thread instead of calling it nothing.

Guys like you arent interested in the truth. Defending jews at all costs, even monsters that abused children, is a spiritual calling for you bcs you actually believe these people are "God's Chosen" and the Noahide laws allow them to commit crimes against non-Jews bcs it is their divine right

What you're doing here blends several different, independent issues into one sweeping claim, which is a common pattern in conspiracy thinking.

No one is denying that Jeffrey Epstein committed serious, well-documented crimes or that he had connections to powerful people. Those facts have been established through investigations, court records, and victim testimony. However, acknowledging these things does not automatically prove the existence of a coordinated, top-down political conspiracy directed by a specific individual - in this case Trump. Investigations into Epstein spanned multiple administrations and involved journalists, prosecutors, and courts over many years, and a claim of a massive, organized cover-up would require strong, independently verified evidence. Simply posting a large number of links or citing names does not establish proof; what matters is whether those sources are credible, whether they directly support the claim being made, and whether they have been validated through reliable investigation or legal scrutiny.

As for your rhetoric regarding my support of the Jews, that is just more of your baseless bull***** Anyone who has read your posts knows you constantly introduce completely baseless and prejudicial assertions that are widely recognized as conspiracy tropes and undermine any serious discussion.


A Democrat Dpeaker might be good for the country



We had Nancy Pelosi from 2019 to 2023, along with a Democrat administration to boot. I suppose they were also involved in this massive, govt. conspiracy to cover up a pedophile ring.

The real question is, why did they cover up Trump's participation? I mean, their DOJ prosecuted or sought to prosecute Trump for multiple crimes. Why in the world would they not have done so over his involvement in Epstein's pedophile ring?


Well, Hillary had her pizza parlor
ScottS
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Kentucky decided no more Massie.
ATL Bear
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Mothra said:

ATL Bear said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.


Did he blame Jews as a people or did he blame the actions of the country of Israel?

So, the Israel blame game then.

If critiquing policy toward Israel is a litmus test, you're giving fodder to the extremes. Massie wasn't anywhere near some of the more radical anti-zionists.

But that's the cover story, not the real one. Trump wants sycophants and bootlickers, and he goes as hard after his party mates as he does the opposition. Loyalty above all else is how he operates, and everyone else be damned.

Nobody is saying that merely critiquing Israeli policy is antisemitic. The issue isn't whether someone criticizes Israel, it's how they do it. When the rhetoric leans on insinuations about hidden influence, dual loyalty, or shadowy control over U.S. politics - which is absolutely what Massie has insinuated, including in his concession speech - that's not ordinary policy critique. That's where it starts to overlap with longstanding antisemitic tropes and conspiracies.

Massie may be more subtle than others, but he still engages in such rhetoric.
Israel has tremendous influence in American politics, and I don't think there's anything "hidden" about it. It weaves its way into defense spending, economic aid, and domestic policy. In an environment where everyone is claiming "America First", drawing a line in the sand against spending money on a foreign country and wars is as old as politics, and is just the typical rhetoric of division. But there is an odd sensitivity to criticism of the relationship and policy with Israel. It's like woke identity politics in foreign policy. And oddly enough I'm pro Israel. I disagree with Massie, and say often, everyone wants Israel to handle its own problems until Israel starts handling them. It's an outpost in the middle of insanity from which we can project power.

But once again, this is just red paint used to scarlet letter Massie. The reality is this is about political disloyalty, power, and control from the Trump admin.
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Kentucky decided no more Massie.


Was it Kentucky that decided it?

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This is feeling like a very consequential primary race. Trump and AIPAC are pushing all their chips to the middle of the table.

If Massie wins this I think it will be significant.



Trump can go to Hell....Fake Christian...Anyone who knowingly is hiding information (Ep Files) related to all the Pedo's in DC and beyond is one themselves...

So that would include both Obama and Biden, correct?


Duh? You people love playing whataboutism when it comes to your precious DJT

So that is a yes to my question?

And I object to the nonresponsive portion of your answer.

Now, do you care to offer an opinion as to why Obama, Biden, and Trump did not release the full Epstein files?

We can assume that Obama or Biden are not soiled by what is in those files because Trump did not release them to tarnish their reputations. Trump loves a grudge and certainly would release them if they were to hurt either Obama or Biden.

We can also assume that Trump is not soiled by the files because neither Biden nor Obama released them. In fact both *******ized and weaponized the DOJ to sink Trump through other avenues. Certainly if the Epstein files were of consequence, they would have been leaked by now.

We already know there's material that Trump's opponents could have used against him and didn't. Politicians on both sides seem to wish anything related to Epstein would just go away. It doesn't take a huge leap of logic to hypothesize why that might be.
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Lets see if Mothra can solve the riddle...



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wHy ArE yOu So oBsSesSeD WiTh iSrAeL?!?!

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The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.


Did he blame Jews as a people or did he blame the actions of the country of Israel?

So, the Israel blame game then.

If critiquing policy toward Israel is a litmus test, you're giving fodder to the extremes. Massie wasn't anywhere near some of the more radical anti-zionists.

But that's the cover story, not the real one. Trump wants sycophants and bootlickers, and he goes as hard after his party mates as he does the opposition. Loyalty above all else is how he operates, and everyone else be damned.

Nobody is saying that merely critiquing Israeli policy is antisemitic. The issue isn't whether someone criticizes Israel, it's how they do it. When the rhetoric leans on insinuations about hidden influence, dual loyalty, or shadowy control over U.S. politics - which is absolutely what Massie has insinuated, including in his concession speech - that's not ordinary policy critique. That's where it starts to overlap with longstanding antisemitic tropes and conspiracies.

Massie may be more subtle than others, but he still engages in such rhetoric.

Israel has tremendous influence in American politics, and I don't think there's anything "hidden" about it. It weaves its way into defense spending, economic aid, and domestic policy. In an environment where everyone is claiming "America First", drawing a line in the sand against spending money on a foreign country and wars is as old as politics, and is just the typical rhetoric of division. But there is an odd sensitivity to criticism of the relationship and policy with Israel. It's like woke identity politics in foreign policy. And oddly enough I'm pro Israel. I disagree with Massie, and say often, everyone wants Israel to handle its own problems until Israel starts handling them. It's an outpost in the middle of insanity from which we can project power.

But once again, this is just red paint used to scarlet letter Massie. The reality is this is about political disloyalty, power, and control from the Trump admin.

I don't disagree with you about Trump's motivations, in part, and my post was in no way a defense of Trump. But Trump's motivations are actually separate from the point I'm making about Massie.

My point isn't really about why Trump or his administration is reacting. It's about what Massie is saying and why so much was spent to defeat him. Even if there are internal loyalty dynamics at play (and there probably are), that doesn't automatically mean the pushback is only about control or punishment. It can be both: political dynamics on one level and real disagreement with Massie's position on another.

There's a big difference between saying Israel has significant influence in U.S. policy (a point I don't disagree with) and suggesting something like a shadow-government dynamic where it effectively controls outcomes. Those aren't remotely the same. If Massie were just arguing for a different level of foreign aid or involvement, that's a normal policy disagreement. But if the rhetoric starts to sound like it's questioning the legitimacy or independence of U.S. decision-making itself, that's when the rhetoric starts to feel like the sort of antisemitic conspiracy theories we have come to expect from the MTGs and Tucker Carlson's of the world.
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Mothra said:

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The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.


Did he blame Jews as a people or did he blame the actions of the country of Israel?

So, the Israel blame game then.

If critiquing policy toward Israel is a litmus test, you're giving fodder to the extremes. Massie wasn't anywhere near some of the more radical anti-zionists.

But that's the cover story, not the real one. Trump wants sycophants and bootlickers, and he goes as hard after his party mates as he does the opposition. Loyalty above all else is how he operates, and everyone else be damned.

Nobody is saying that merely critiquing Israeli policy is antisemitic. The issue isn't whether someone criticizes Israel, it's how they do it. When the rhetoric leans on insinuations about hidden influence, dual loyalty, or shadowy control over U.S. politics - which is absolutely what Massie has insinuated, including in his concession speech - that's not ordinary policy critique. That's where it starts to overlap with longstanding antisemitic tropes and conspiracies.

Massie may be more subtle than others, but he still engages in such rhetoric.

Influence is not in question, hidden or not.

You play make believe. You still playing that they don't hold tremendous influence in finance. And you probably think Hollywood is run by WASPs.

It's ok, people can actually not hate jews or Israel while also recognizing some clear truths about modern day politics and industry.
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There really isn't any credible evidence that Israel controls the Federal Reserve, either. Again, these are the sorts of claims that tend to come from conspiracy narratives rather than verifiable facts. It's totally fair to debate how the Fed operates or whether it has too much power, but tying it to control by another nation, whether that be Israel or anyone else, doesn't hold up when you look at how the institution is actually structured and governed


Oof, I actually agree with you. The Fed is an independent institution and a force for good, but maybe I'm bias

Careful, now, agreeing with the old GenXer.



Independent from taxpayer and Congress, pretty much yes.
Banking run and aligned, for sure.
Never run by anyone outside of one small percentage heritage, yep.

Force for good? Harder to say. It is the primary driver of inflation and provides a means for the government to continually overspend with zero accountability and passing the debt to our kids.

Some of you all need to study the Fed. It primarily is looking out for the financier class.

I am not anti Fed, but force for good is hardly a given.
But It has been a force for the West to influence other countries policies... sometimes on the backs of the US taxpayers.


I'll keep my reasoning on this short so we don't derail the thread too badly butโ€ฆ

The average American household became far wealthier after the Federal Reserve was established. While it wasn't the only factor, the Fed helped facilitate a more stable financial system that allowed modern industry and global trade to flourish. I feel People also tend to forget just how common financial crises were before the Federal Reserve Act.

Lol, the boom to bust is a hallmark of Fed intervention. Wealthier? OK Sure, but that's hardly the Fed's doing necessarily. The Fed has diluted families' income, made the US taxpayer the guarantor for foreign loans and grifts, and made it so that it takes two people to afford to live in a house for the average person, that's if they can even afford a house.

The Fed is an inflationary institution. It is designed to do exactly that. The benefits to an inflationary system all flow to the upper class. As for the financial failures you speak of, they are nearly always due to bankers and not having a central bank system that regulates itself.

As I said, I actually don't hate the Fed, but I am not convinced it's made things better. A stable gold backed money supply may have very well been better for the average person. The idea that we have to inflate our money prices is just financier economist propaganda. There is an alternative.

Trusting the Morgan's and the Rothschilds to form the Fed at Jekyll Island, and now practically under Goldman Sach's rule to run our country's finances guarantees that they will always look out for their own class and not us.


Banks failed because they didn't have a lender of last resort. And yup, the Fed is inflationary by design, a moderate inflation rate of 2% is healthy for growth and investments.

The 19th century had less inflation but far worse recessions, frequent bank runs, and a wider wealth gap. Also access to credit was far more limited for ordinary people.

Additionally, It's a fact that gold financial crises are worse under a gold standard as they constrain a governments growth.

Call me a groyper, but calling the Fed a Jewish institution is an example of low-IQ antisemitism.


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But it is a Warrior-ethos... I feel so much safer.
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Mothra said:

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The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.


Did he blame Jews as a people or did he blame the actions of the country of Israel?

So, the Israel blame game then.

If critiquing policy toward Israel is a litmus test, you're giving fodder to the extremes. Massie wasn't anywhere near some of the more radical anti-zionists.

But that's the cover story, not the real one. Trump wants sycophants and bootlickers, and he goes as hard after his party mates as he does the opposition. Loyalty above all else is how he operates, and everyone else be damned.

Nobody is saying that merely critiquing Israeli policy is antisemitic. The issue isn't whether someone criticizes Israel, it's how they do it. When the rhetoric leans on insinuations about hidden influence, dual loyalty, or shadowy control over U.S. politics - which is absolutely what Massie has insinuated, including in his concession speech - that's not ordinary policy critique. That's where it starts to overlap with longstanding antisemitic tropes and conspiracies.

Massie may be more subtle than others, but he still engages in such rhetoric.

Influence is not in question, hidden or not.

You play make believe. You still playing that they don't hold tremendous influence in finance. And you probably think Hollywood is run by WASPs.

It's ok, people can actually not hate jews or Israel while also recognizing some clear truths about modern day politics and industry.


This is you engaging in speculation and mistaken assumptions, as you so often do. I recall you arguing not too long ago that I was a never trumper. That's a character flaw. You really do need to fight that tendency. It evidences a low intellect when you have difficulty reading with an attempt to understand or have an inability to engage in nuanced discussions.

I don't allege Jews don't have influence over us, just as I don't allege those critical of Israel are antisemitic. In fact, I've argued just the opposite in this thread, for those actually reading with the attempt to understand. As I said above, when that belief leads you to conclude the Jews are essentially a shadow govt, that's when it moves beyond mere criticism into antisemitic tropes.
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Mothra said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Mothra said:

ATL Bear said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.


Did he blame Jews as a people or did he blame the actions of the country of Israel?

So, the Israel blame game then.

If critiquing policy toward Israel is a litmus test, you're giving fodder to the extremes. Massie wasn't anywhere near some of the more radical anti-zionists.

But that's the cover story, not the real one. Trump wants sycophants and bootlickers, and he goes as hard after his party mates as he does the opposition. Loyalty above all else is how he operates, and everyone else be damned.

Nobody is saying that merely critiquing Israeli policy is antisemitic. The issue isn't whether someone criticizes Israel, it's how they do it. When the rhetoric leans on insinuations about hidden influence, dual loyalty, or shadowy control over U.S. politics - which is absolutely what Massie has insinuated, including in his concession speech - that's not ordinary policy critique. That's where it starts to overlap with longstanding antisemitic tropes and conspiracies.

Massie may be more subtle than others, but he still engages in such rhetoric.

Influence is not in question, hidden or not.

You play make believe. You still playing that they don't hold tremendous influence in finance. And you probably think Hollywood is run by WASPs.

It's ok, people can actually not hate jews or Israel while also recognizing some clear truths about modern day politics and industry.


This is you engaging in speculation and mistaken assumptions, as you so often do. I recall you arguing not too long ago that I was a never trumper. That's a character flaw. You really do need to fight that tendency. It evidences a low intellect when you have difficulty reading with an attempt to understand or have an inability to engage in nuanced discussions.

I don't allege Jews don't have influence over us, just as I don't allege those critical of Israel are antisemitic. In fact, I've argued just the opposite in this thread, for those actually reading with the attempt to understand. As I said above, when that belief leads you to conclude the Jews are essentially a shadow govt, that's when it moves beyond mere criticism into antisemitic tropes.

Lol, if any say that Jews control Hollywood, it's antisemitic. Because saying they control anything isn't allowed despite the evidence. You refuse to admit what is common knowledge. Nobody but you and the media pretend that they don't control Hollywood ... and for that matter, much of global finance. Stop playing pretend, it's actually ok to admit that they have significant control in certain areas. It's called just being honest.











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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Mothra said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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The Jew blame game, and the Epstein conspiracy nothing burger doomed him.


Did he blame Jews as a people or did he blame the actions of the country of Israel?

So, the Israel blame game then.

If critiquing policy toward Israel is a litmus test, you're giving fodder to the extremes. Massie wasn't anywhere near some of the more radical anti-zionists.

But that's the cover story, not the real one. Trump wants sycophants and bootlickers, and he goes as hard after his party mates as he does the opposition. Loyalty above all else is how he operates, and everyone else be damned.

Nobody is saying that merely critiquing Israeli policy is antisemitic. The issue isn't whether someone criticizes Israel, it's how they do it. When the rhetoric leans on insinuations about hidden influence, dual loyalty, or shadowy control over U.S. politics - which is absolutely what Massie has insinuated, including in his concession speech - that's not ordinary policy critique. That's where it starts to overlap with longstanding antisemitic tropes and conspiracies.

Massie may be more subtle than others, but he still engages in such rhetoric.

Influence is not in question, hidden or not.

You play make believe. You still playing that they don't hold tremendous influence in finance. And you probably think Hollywood is run by WASPs.

It's ok, people can actually not hate jews or Israel while also recognizing some clear truths about modern day politics and industry.


This is you engaging in speculation and mistaken assumptions, as you so often do. I recall you arguing not too long ago that I was a never trumper. That's a character flaw. You really do need to fight that tendency. It evidences a low intellect when you have difficulty reading with an attempt to understand or have an inability to engage in nuanced discussions.

I don't allege Jews don't have influence over us, just as I don't allege those critical of Israel are antisemitic. In fact, I've argued just the opposite in this thread, for those actually reading with the attempt to understand. As I said above, when that belief leads you to conclude the Jews are essentially a shadow govt, that's when it moves beyond mere criticism into antisemitic tropes.

Lol, if any say that Jews control Hollywood, it's antisemitic. Because saying they control anything isn't allowed despite the evidence. You refuse to admit what is common knowledge. Nobody but you and the media pretend that they don't control Hollywood ... and for that matter, much of global finance. Stop playing pretend, it's actually ok to admit that they have significant control in certain areas. It's called just being honest.




Understanding nuance just isn't your thing.

Never said that there aren't large concentrations of Jews in some industries. Having worked in Hollywood, I can say there are a number of Jewish producers. But control Hollywood? Absolutely not. Most of the people in charge of the studios are Caucasian.

Again, as I tried to explain - though it apparently doesn't seem to be getting through - is there's a difference between having influence in particular areas and controlling the U.S. govt. This really isn't a difficult concept for those older than 13.
 
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