Singapore Summit
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Why do you jump to name calling. CNN, your beloved news source, disagrees with you.J.R. said:Hey dumbass, read what it says. They in no way agreed to Complete Denuc. That saidDoc Holliday said:
COMPLETE DENUCLEARIZATION in document SIGNED by Kim.
Screw everyone who said Trump didn't know what he was doing. Seriously, screw you.
"they would work toward it" That is an entirely different thing. So don't be an ass.
ATL Bear said:
A serious step forward. That's a good thing by any measure. Honestly, like dealing with the Middle East, we'll have to turn a blind eye for some time regarding dictatorship tactics in exchange for denuclearization, getting NK into the world community, and a more peaceful Far East. Eventually we'll likely see the oppression relieved as their economic fortunes change. A junior type China is all we can realistically expect in the next couple of decades. Anything beyond that is gravy.
You don't think a German type reunification is possible?
Not with Kim in power in NK. Dictatorships do not age well in transitions to more open societies. ATL is spot on.quash said:ATL Bear said:
A serious step forward. That's a good thing by any measure. Honestly, like dealing with the Middle East, we'll have to turn a blind eye for some time regarding dictatorship tactics in exchange for denuclearization, getting NK into the world community, and a more peaceful Far East. Eventually we'll likely see the oppression relieved as their economic fortunes change. A junior type China is all we can realistically expect in the next couple of decades. Anything beyond that is gravy.
You don't think a German type reunification is possible?
I won't say anything is impossible, but that would seem a stretch, unless Mr. Jong-un gets "Ceausescu-ed" by the populace. Long term, maybe it reaches a point where a peaceful transition can occur.quash said:ATL Bear said:
A serious step forward. That's a good thing by any measure. Honestly, like dealing with the Middle East, we'll have to turn a blind eye for some time regarding dictatorship tactics in exchange for denuclearization, getting NK into the world community, and a more peaceful Far East. Eventually we'll likely see the oppression relieved as their economic fortunes change. A junior type China is all we can realistically expect in the next couple of decades. Anything beyond that is gravy.
You don't think a German type reunification is possible?
It's never good to pull random twitters out of the twitter sphere. Perhaps you should have gone to the signed document itself. Here is exactly what was agreed from a copy of the actual document signed.Doc Holliday said:Well shoot, I guess CNN is fake news . I Should have known.J.R. said:Hey dumbass, read what it says. They in no way agreed to Complete Denuc. That saidDoc Holliday said:
COMPLETE DENUCLEARIZATION in document SIGNED by Kim.
Screw everyone who said Trump didn't know what he was doing. Seriously, screw you.
"they would work toward it" That is an entirely different thing. So don't be an ass.
[ol]
CNN is a random twitter?J.R. said:It's never good to pull random twitters out of the twitter sphere. Perhaps you should have gone to the signed document itself. Here is exactly what was agreed from a copy of the actual document signed.Doc Holliday said:Well shoot, I guess CNN is fake news . I Should have known.J.R. said:Hey dumbass, read what it says. They in no way agreed to Complete Denuc. That saidDoc Holliday said:
COMPLETE DENUCLEARIZATION in document SIGNED by Kim.
Screw everyone who said Trump didn't know what he was doing. Seriously, screw you.
"they would work toward it" That is an entirely different thing. So don't be an ass.
[ol]The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified. [/ol]
Or do you not want to admit that CNN is fake news?
Perhaps you should have a better understanding of who this guy is and how love to get personal and hurl insults, even when he is wrong like this. See post below with actual text of the agreement. He doesn't do his homework, yet wants to get in people's grill with out facts. I don't know what yo means.contrario said:Why do you jump to name calling. CNN, your beloved news source, disagrees with yoJ.R. said:Hey dumbass, read what it says. They in no way agreed to Complete Denuc. That saidDoc Holliday said:
COMPLETE DENUCLEARIZATION in document SIGNED by Kim.
Screw everyone who said Trump didn't know what he was doing. Seriously, screw you.
"they would work toward it" That is an entirely different thing. So don't be an ass.
The fact is, you had your facts wrong and made you look foolish. Quit trying to "Trump" and deflect. Nothing to with CNN or Twitters. Notice the words "work towards" being the operative phrase.Doc Holliday said:CNN is a random twitter?J.R. said:It's never good to pull random twitters out of the twitter sphere. Perhaps you should have gone to the signed document itself. Here is exactly what was agreed from a copy of the actual document signed.Doc Holliday said:Well shoot, I guess CNN is fake news . I Should have known.J.R. said:Hey dumbass, read what it says. They in no way agreed to Complete Denuc. That saidDoc Holliday said:
COMPLETE DENUCLEARIZATION in document SIGNED by Kim.
Screw everyone who said Trump didn't know what he was doing. Seriously, screw you.
"they would work toward it" That is an entirely different thing. So don't be an ass.
[ol]The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified. [/ol]
Or do you not want to admit that CNN is fake news?
Here is what you said:J.R. said:The fact is, you had your facts wrong and made you look foolish. Quit trying to "Trump" and deflect. Nothing to with CNN or Twitters. Notice the words "work towards" being the operative phrase.Doc Holliday said:CNN is a random twitter?J.R. said:It's never good to pull random twitters out of the twitter sphere. Perhaps you should have gone to the signed document itself. Here is exactly what was agreed from a copy of the actual document signed.Doc Holliday said:Well shoot, I guess CNN is fake news . I Should have known.J.R. said:Hey dumbass, read what it says. They in no way agreed to Complete Denuc. That saidDoc Holliday said:
COMPLETE DENUCLEARIZATION in document SIGNED by Kim.
Screw everyone who said Trump didn't know what he was doing. Seriously, screw you.
"they would work toward it" That is an entirely different thing. So don't be an ass.
[ol]The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified. [/ol]
Or do you not want to admit that CNN is fake news?
Here is what you just listed:Quote:
Hey dumbass, read what it says. They in no way agreed to Complete Denuc
So they in 'no way' agreed to complete denuclearization? Not a single way at all? Working towards doesn't meaning agreeing to?Quote:
3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.
And this tweet from CNN is lies?
Also you said:
Then you said:Quote:
It's never good to pull random twitters out of the twitter sphere.
Quote:
Nothing to with CNN or Twitters.
There's a lot of doublethink going on here.
Things I learned today:
Signing a document that says I agree and commit to work towards denuclearization' is in no way agreeing to commit or work towards denuclearization.
Signing a document that says I agree and commit to work towards denuclearization' is in no way agreeing to commit or work towards denuclearization.
Doc Holliday said:
Things I learned today:
Signing a document that says I agree and commit to work towards denuclearization' is in no way agreeing to commit or work towards denuclearization.
chuckle
Let it go.....Trump haters are experiencing mental flip flops this week.
Dang, Doc is just wiping the floor with JR today.
Chuckle. He's doing no such thing.CSIBear said:
Dang, Doc is just wiping the floor with JR today.
Make Racism Wrong Again
cinque said:Chuckle. He's doing no such thing.CSIBear said:
Dang, Doc is just wiping the floor with JR today.
To summarize, North Korea got Trump to:Doc Holliday said:cinque said:Chuckle. He's doing no such thing.CSIBear said:
Dang, Doc is just wiping the floor with JR today.
- Give them their desired world stage
- Avoid any discussion on human rights
- End military exercises with South Korea
- Hint at ending U.S. Forces Korea
- Attack NATO and allies as cheap
In return, "dealmaker" Trump got nothing.
Chuckle.
Make Racism Wrong Again
But JR told me he did the following:cinque said:To summarize, North Korea got Trump to:Doc Holliday said:cinque said:Chuckle. He's doing no such thing.CSIBear said:
Dang, Doc is just wiping the floor with JR today.
- Give them their desired world stage
- Avoid any discussion on human rights
- End military exercises with South Korea
- Hint at ending U.S. Forces Korea
- Attack NATO and allies as cheap
In return, "dealmaker" Trump got nothing.
Chuckle.
I feel like a 7th grade English teacher having to to mark up and correct every one of Cinque's English papers (i.e. posts).cinque said:Doc Holliday said:cinque said:Chuckle. He's doing no such thing.CSIBear said:
Dang, Doc is just wiping the floor with JR today.
In return, "dealmaker" Trump got nothing.
Chuckle.
To summarize, North Korea got Trump to:
- Give them their desired world stage
Incorrect - when you are threatening the World w/ nuclear weapons and have been the focal point of the last 4 Presidents and even Obama told Trump N. Korea would be his biggest challenge - I'd say N. Korea already had the 'world stage'
- Avoid any discussion on human rights
100% FALSE - Trump even said in the press conference last night that this came up and was discussed but I doubt CNN or MSNBC reported on this so I'll give you a pass.
- End military exercises with South Korea
Negotiating 101, when you are trying to negotiate anything, especially w/ a crazy Dictator w/ nuclear weapons, you play nice when they are in the process of denuclearizing. Are you saying after Trump had a pleasant peaceful negotiation where he got Kim to agree to everything Trump wanted and more that Trump should turn around and crap all over N. Korea by threatening them w/ our power and strength? ridiculous comment
- Hint at ending U.S. Forces Korea
English please? I'm assuming you mean ending u.s. forces in Korea? Every President has wanted to bring our troops home and have less of a force in Korea assuming we come to a peace agreement. Why keep 30,000 troops in Korea? Also, he specifically said he would not bring troops home until they 100% verified that all their nukes were gone which could take a few years.
- Attack NATO and allies as cheap
What are you talking about? He literally started the press conference off by thanking South Korea, Japan and China for their efforts in helping bring N. Korea to the table.
Anything else you want to misinform or lie about?
Did he tell you China and Russia got everything they wanted from the Singapore Summit?Doc Holliday said:But JR told me he did the following:cinque said:To summarize, North Korea got Trump to:Doc Holliday said:cinque said:Chuckle. He's doing no such thing.CSIBear said:
Dang, Doc is just wiping the floor with JR today.
- Give them their desired world stage
- Avoid any discussion on human rights
- End military exercises with South Korea
- Hint at ending U.S. Forces Korea
- Attack NATO and allies as cheap
In return, "dealmaker" Trump got nothing.
Chuckle.The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.
Make Racism Wrong Again
Computer says no,riflebear said:I feel like a 7th grade English teacher having to to mark up and correct every one of Cinque's English papers (i.e. posts).cinque said:Doc Holliday said:cinque said:Chuckle. He's doing no such thing.CSIBear said:
Dang, Doc is just wiping the floor with JR today.
In return, "dealmaker" Trump got nothing.
Chuckle.
To summarize, North Korea got Trump to:
- Give them their desired world stage
Incorrect - when you are threatening the World w/ nuclear weapons and have been the focal point of the last 4 Presidents and even Obama told Trump N. Korea would be his biggest challenge - I'd say N. Korea already had the 'world stage'
- Avoid any discussion on human rights
100% FALSE - Trump even said in the press conference last night that this came up and was discussed but I doubt CNN or MSNBC reported on this so I'll give you a pass.
- End military exercises with South Korea
Negotiating 101, when you are trying to negotiate anything, especially w/ a crazy Dictator w/ nuclear weapons, you play nice when they are in the process of denuclearizing. Are you saying after Trump had a pleasant peaceful negotiation where he got Kim to agree to everything Trump wanted and more that Trump should turn around and crap all over N. Korea by threatening them w/ our power and strength? ridiculous comment
- Hint at ending U.S. Forces Korea
English please? I'm assuming you mean ending u.s. forces in Korea? Every President has wanted to bring our troops home and have less of a force in Korea assuming we come to a peace agreement. Why keep 30,000 troops in Korea? Also, he specifically said he would not bring troops home until they 100% verified that all their nukes were gone which could take a few years.
- Attack NATO and allies as cheap
What are you talking about? He literally started the press conference off by thanking South Korea, Japan and China for their efforts in helping bring N. Korea to the table.
Anything else you want to misinform or lie about?
Make Racism Wrong Again
cinque said:Did he tell you China and Russia got everything they wanted from the Singapore Summit?Doc Holliday said:But JR told me he did the following:cinque said:To summarize, North Korea got Trump to:Doc Holliday said:cinque said:Chuckle. He's doing no such thing.CSIBear said:
Dang, Doc is just wiping the floor with JR today.
- Give them their desired world stage
- Avoid any discussion on human rights
- End military exercises with South Korea
- Hint at ending U.S. Forces Korea
- Attack NATO and allies as cheap
In return, "dealmaker" Trump got nothing.
Chuckle.The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.
That is becuase they have a mind.Canada2017 said:Doc Holliday said:
Things I learned today:
Signing a document that says I agree and commit to work towards denuclearization' is in no way agreeing to commit or work towards denuclearization.
chuckle
Let it go.....Trump haters are experiencing mental flip flops this week.
Really, I am glad that President Trump is trying on North Korea. The recent effort is a ton better than flinging insults at an insecure dictator who apparently has some sort of nuclear capability. But pretending this summit actually accomplished anything is just stupid. NK has said several times before it would end its nuclear program. Now it is saying it will end its nuclear program if.... well if what, we don't know.
We will see where it goes from here. Maybe this president will be more successful than several others who have tried. I'm not holding my breath, but I am pulling for him.
On the other hand his comments and those of his worker bees after the G-7 were bizarre, uncalled for, not based in reality and damaging to our most important relationships.
If all that adds up to a "great week" for the President, I want to play a round of golf using your score card.
I don't know what "how love to get personal" means.J.R. said:Perhaps you should have a better understanding of who this guy is and how love to get personal and hurl insults, even when he is wrong like this. See post below with actual text of the agreement. He doesn't do his homework, yet wants to get in people's grill with out facts. I don't know what yo means.contrario said:Why do you jump to name calling. CNN, your beloved news source, disagrees with yoJ.R. said:Hey dumbass, read what it says. They in no way agreed to Complete Denuc. That saidDoc Holliday said:
COMPLETE DENUCLEARIZATION in document SIGNED by Kim.
Screw everyone who said Trump didn't know what he was doing. Seriously, screw you.
"they would work toward it" That is an entirely different thing. So don't be an ass.
Leftists have already begun their rumors, lies, and rather desperate criticism of the summit.
Didn't even take 48 hours to begin.
Didn't even take 48 hours to begin.
Jack and DP said:
https://twitter.com/sbrsport*****s/status/1006658186575785984?s=21
Ok now that is a pretty funny instance of censorship right there.
I hope denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula is an impeachable offense
Hurry Mueller
Hurry Mueller
The last agreement failed at least in part because we didn't keep our promises regarding oil. If we follow through this time, there's no reason to assume NK won't do the same. It's also a good thing we're making progress toward removing our troops from the peninsula. Many think of it as a concession, but in fact it's an accomplishment in its own right.Booray said:
That is becuase they have a mind.
Really, I am glad that President Trump is trying on North Korea. The recent effort is a ton better than flinging insults at an insecure dictator who apparently has some sort of nuclear capability. But pretending this summit actually accomplished anything is just stupid. NK has said several times before it would end its nuclear program. Now it is saying it will end its nuclear program if.... well if what, we don't know.
We will see where it goes from here. Maybe this president will be more successful than several others who have tried. I'm not holding my breath, but I am pulling for him.
On the other hand his comments and those of his worker bees after the G-7 were bizarre, uncalled for, not based in reality and damaging to our most important relationships.
If all that adds up to a "great week" for the President, I want to play a round of golf using your score card.
The only thing I don't understand is why we don't have the same attitude toward negotiating with Iran. I'm giving Trump the benefit of the doubt (difficult as that is with Mad Dog Bolton in the room) and hoping he really has a better deal in mind.
Sam, probably for another thread, but the current regime in Iran is bad for Iran and bad for the region. There is movement for change from within. Just not sure if it's enough.
I think we'd all agree that Kim's regime is bad too.Jack and DP said:
Sam, probably for another thread, but the current regime in Iran is bad for Iran and bad for the region. There is movement for change from within. Just not sure if it's enough.