Booray said:
Not a Tommy Robinson scholar, but his record is littered with assaults and crimes that have little to do with political activism. Sort of a Michael Ferguson for the right.
Gunny Hartman said:Booray said:
Not a Tommy Robinson scholar, but his record is littered with assaults and crimes that have little to do with political activism. Sort of a Michael Ferguson for the right.
He was arrested, tried, and imprisoned literally all within a manner of a few hours for filming with his iPhone the Muslim rape gangs going on in the UK that the government and the mainstream media are desperately trying to keep quiet. It's as Orwellian as you can get.
Booray said:Gunny Hartman said:Booray said:
Not a Tommy Robinson scholar, but his record is littered with assaults and crimes that have little to do with political activism. Sort of a Michael Ferguson for the right.
He was arrested, tried, and imprisoned literally all within a manner of a few hours for filming with his iPhone the Muslim rape gangs going on in the UK that the government and the mainstream media are desperately trying to keep quiet. It's as Orwellian as you can get.
First, your point has nothing to do with my comment.
Second, you point is a distortion of the reason he was jailed and the process through which it happened.
Third, Alex Jones appreciates your subscription.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tommy-robinson-arrest/
Booray said:
99.9% of trials have zero media coverage, whether here or in England. So this is a rule that applies only in the rarest of circumstances.
In trials that generate media interest, that interest is often used by all parties in a way that harms the judicial process. England strikes a different balance than we do. They may have fairer trials, but less freedom of expression.
This is pure nonsense Gunny, he was arrested for trying to influence the result of the trial, he was actively trying to get a mistrial declared to try and inflame racial tensions in England, he plead guilty and then tried to blame his lawyersGunny Hartman said:Booray said:
Not a Tommy Robinson scholar, but his record is littered with assaults and crimes that have little to do with political activism. Sort of a Michael Ferguson for the right.
He was arrested, tried, and imprisoned literally all within a manner of a few hours for filming with his iPhone the Muslim rape gangs going on in the UK that the government and the mainstream media are desperately trying to keep quiet. It's as Orwellian as you can get.
You are just silly dense.Gunny Hartman said:Booray said:
99.9% of trials have zero media coverage, whether here or in England. So this is a rule that applies only in the rarest of circumstances.
In trials that generate media interest, that interest is often used by all parties in a way that harms the judicial process. England strikes a different balance than we do. They may have fairer trials, but less freedom of expression.
Gotcha, so then let's add a fourth point to your list above: leftists are okay with government suppression of reporting on what is otherwise a public function.
Booray said:You are just silly dense.Gunny Hartman said:Booray said:
99.9% of trials have zero media coverage, whether here or in England. So this is a rule that applies only in the rarest of circumstances.
In trials that generate media interest, that interest is often used by all parties in a way that harms the judicial process. England strikes a different balance than we do. They may have fairer trials, but less freedom of expression.
Gotcha, so then let's add a fourth point to your list above: leftists are okay with government suppression of reporting on what is otherwise a public function.
We have gag orders all the time in trials--it is usually the ACLU and the MSM that attacks them. This issue cannot be reduced to a bumper sticker or a sound bite.
cms186 said:This is pure nonsense Gunny, he was arrested for trying to influence the result of the trial, he was actively trying to get a mistrial declared to try and inflame racial tensions in England, he plead guilty and then tried to blame his lawyersGunny Hartman said:Booray said:
Not a Tommy Robinson scholar, but his record is littered with assaults and crimes that have little to do with political activism. Sort of a Michael Ferguson for the right.
He was arrested, tried, and imprisoned literally all within a manner of a few hours for filming with his iPhone the Muslim rape gangs going on in the UK that the government and the mainstream media are desperately trying to keep quiet. It's as Orwellian as you can get.
This is a Twitter "Moment" (cringe) from an actual reporter who was there at the time and doing actual journalism rather than what Robinson was doing: https://twitter.com/i/moments/1001517056150339584
Robinson is a dangerous racist who is purely interested in inciting racial hatred, he is not some freedom fighter standing up for free speech and British values, hes an arrogant, hateful man.
A: He didnt just stand there and film, please, read the link i posted, it details precisely what he did and why it was illegal.Gunny Hartman said:cms186 said:This is pure nonsense Gunny, he was arrested for trying to influence the result of the trial, he was actively trying to get a mistrial declared to try and inflame racial tensions in England, he plead guilty and then tried to blame his lawyersGunny Hartman said:Booray said:
Not a Tommy Robinson scholar, but his record is littered with assaults and crimes that have little to do with political activism. Sort of a Michael Ferguson for the right.
He was arrested, tried, and imprisoned literally all within a manner of a few hours for filming with his iPhone the Muslim rape gangs going on in the UK that the government and the mainstream media are desperately trying to keep quiet. It's as Orwellian as you can get.
This is a Twitter "Moment" (cringe) from an actual reporter who was there at the time and doing actual journalism rather than what Robinson was doing: https://twitter.com/i/moments/1001517056150339584
Robinson is a dangerous racist who is purely interested in inciting racial hatred, he is not some freedom fighter standing up for free speech and British values, hes an arrogant, hateful man.
CMS, I don't know anything about the guy so if he is indeed a racist and that's not just some smear label that his enemies have attached to him, then he deserves to be roundly condemned. However, I'm not comfortable that someone can stand in public and make a video with their iPhone and get sentenced to 13 months for doing so. But y'all can run your country however you see fit, as it's not my or any American's place to tell you what laws you should make and enforce.
They don't call it "The Wild West" for nothin'.Canada2017 said:
Meanwhile leftists can take over the streets in Portland, threaten innocent people, bash their cars, scream obscenities at the drivers......and its A-Ok. Cops just sit back and watch.
Strange times
cms186 said:A: He didnt just stand there and film, please, read the link i posted, it details precisely what he did and why it was illegal.Gunny Hartman said:cms186 said:This is pure nonsense Gunny, he was arrested for trying to influence the result of the trial, he was actively trying to get a mistrial declared to try and inflame racial tensions in England, he plead guilty and then tried to blame his lawyersGunny Hartman said:Booray said:
Not a Tommy Robinson scholar, but his record is littered with assaults and crimes that have little to do with political activism. Sort of a Michael Ferguson for the right.
He was arrested, tried, and imprisoned literally all within a manner of a few hours for filming with his iPhone the Muslim rape gangs going on in the UK that the government and the mainstream media are desperately trying to keep quiet. It's as Orwellian as you can get.
This is a Twitter "Moment" (cringe) from an actual reporter who was there at the time and doing actual journalism rather than what Robinson was doing: https://twitter.com/i/moments/1001517056150339584
Robinson is a dangerous racist who is purely interested in inciting racial hatred, he is not some freedom fighter standing up for free speech and British values, hes an arrogant, hateful man.
CMS, I don't know anything about the guy so if he is indeed a racist and that's not just some smear label that his enemies have attached to him, then he deserves to be roundly condemned. However, I'm not comfortable that someone can stand in public and make a video with their iPhone and get sentenced to 13 months for doing so. But y'all can run your country however you see fit, as it's not my or any American's place to tell you what laws you should make and enforce.
B: He was already under a suspended sentence for a previous charge when he committed this crime, which is why the sentence was 13 months
Because its not just him giving his opinion to his followers, hes talking about an ongoing trial which he (and everyone else) has been specifically ordered not to talk about until it is over. Its not a permanent reporting ban, its a temporary ban for the duration of the Trial to try and ensure that the Jurors dont get influenced further by outside opinion and so the defendant/s can get a fair trial, because if they dont get a fair trial, they can appeal and get the verdict overturned. In America i believe they achieve this aim by sequestering the Jury (or at least, thats what the John Grisham novels ive read have told meGunny Hartman said:cms186 said:A: He didnt just stand there and film, please, read the link i posted, it details precisely what he did and why it was illegal.Gunny Hartman said:cms186 said:This is pure nonsense Gunny, he was arrested for trying to influence the result of the trial, he was actively trying to get a mistrial declared to try and inflame racial tensions in England, he plead guilty and then tried to blame his lawyersGunny Hartman said:Booray said:
Not a Tommy Robinson scholar, but his record is littered with assaults and crimes that have little to do with political activism. Sort of a Michael Ferguson for the right.
He was arrested, tried, and imprisoned literally all within a manner of a few hours for filming with his iPhone the Muslim rape gangs going on in the UK that the government and the mainstream media are desperately trying to keep quiet. It's as Orwellian as you can get.
This is a Twitter "Moment" (cringe) from an actual reporter who was there at the time and doing actual journalism rather than what Robinson was doing: https://twitter.com/i/moments/1001517056150339584
Robinson is a dangerous racist who is purely interested in inciting racial hatred, he is not some freedom fighter standing up for free speech and British values, hes an arrogant, hateful man.
CMS, I don't know anything about the guy so if he is indeed a racist and that's not just some smear label that his enemies have attached to him, then he deserves to be roundly condemned. However, I'm not comfortable that someone can stand in public and make a video with their iPhone and get sentenced to 13 months for doing so. But y'all can run your country however you see fit, as it's not my or any American's place to tell you what laws you should make and enforce.
B: He was already under a suspended sentence for a previous charge when he committed this crime, which is why the sentence was 13 months
Okay, I read your Twitter moment and I'm even more appalled. He was a private citizen standing IN PUBLIC filming Facebook live video with his iPhone who according to that journalist committed the unpardonable sin of verbally giving his opinion on the matter that he was filming. The other unforgivable sin he apparently committed was not being an "accredited journalist."
The horror!! How dare he not be accredited!!! And speak his "uninformed" opinions into a Facebook live video!!! For the second time even!! Lock that criminal up and throw away the key immediately!!!!!!
Like I said, y'all are welcome to run the UK however you see fit, but him being imprisoned for precisely what that journalist who was present described is anathema to me. Absolutely beyond comprehension that a citizenry would not only allow it, but even support it. And it makes me thankful that at least to the present day, that is not something I believe most Americans would support happening here.
)Debate about the TR aside, the idea that a proceeding before a court could be subject to a "reporting ban", permanent or otherwise, which can land a violator in jail is, quite frankly, terrifying.cms186 said:
Because its not just him giving his opinion to his followers, hes talking about an ongoing trial which he (and everyone else) has been specifically ordered not to talk about until it is over. Its not a permanent reporting ban, its a temporary ban for the duration of the Trial to try and ensure that the Jurors dont get influenced further by outside opinion and so the defendant/s can get a fair trial, because if they dont get a fair trial, they can appeal and get the verdict overturned. In America i believe they achieve this aim by sequestering the Jury (or at least, thats what the John Grisham novels ive read have told me
The point is that Robinson knows this is why hes been arrested and Jailed, he's trying to get the Trial go to a mistrial, because thats what will cause further public outrage, which is his ultimate aim, he doesnt give a **** about justice in this particular case, hes using it for his own reprehensible motives.
303Bear said:Debate about the TR aside, the idea that a proceeding before a court could be subject to a "reporting ban", permanent or otherwise, which can land a violator in jail is, quite frankly, terrifying.cms186 said:
Because its not just him giving his opinion to his followers, hes talking about an ongoing trial which he (and everyone else) has been specifically ordered not to talk about until it is over. Its not a permanent reporting ban, its a temporary ban for the duration of the Trial to try and ensure that the Jurors dont get influenced further by outside opinion and so the defendant/s can get a fair trial, because if they dont get a fair trial, they can appeal and get the verdict overturned. In America i believe they achieve this aim by sequestering the Jury (or at least, thats what the John Grisham novels ive read have told me
The point is that Robinson knows this is why hes been arrested and Jailed, he's trying to get the Trial go to a mistrial, because thats what will cause further public outrage, which is his ultimate aim, he doesnt give a **** about justice in this particular case, hes using it for his own reprehensible motives.
its not permanent, i said as much in the bit you conveniently didnt bold, I dont believe it ever is, though i dont pretend to know everything in this regard. I guess it depends on whether you value Free Speech at all times or a temporary hiatus of Free Speech in order to facilitate a Persons right to a Fair Trial.303Bear said:Debate about the TR aside, the idea that a proceeding before a court could be subject to a "reporting ban", permanent or otherwise, which can land a violator in jail is, quite frankly, terrifying.cms186 said:
Because its not just him giving his opinion to his followers, hes talking about an ongoing trial which he (and everyone else) has been specifically ordered not to talk about until it is over. Its not a permanent reporting ban, its a temporary ban for the duration of the Trial to try and ensure that the Jurors dont get influenced further by outside opinion and so the defendant/s can get a fair trial, because if they dont get a fair trial, they can appeal and get the verdict overturned. In America i believe they achieve this aim by sequestering the Jury (or at least, thats what the John Grisham novels ive read have told me
The point is that Robinson knows this is why hes been arrested and Jailed, he's trying to get the Trial go to a mistrial, because thats what will cause further public outrage, which is his ultimate aim, he doesnt give a **** about justice in this particular case, hes using it for his own reprehensible motives.
Are you dense? My comment specifically acknowledged that permanent or not, it is a scary thing.cms186 said:its not permanent, i said as much in the bit you conveniently didnt bold, I dont believe it ever is, though i dont pretend to know everything in this regard. I guess it depends on whether you value Free Speech at all times or a temporary hiatus of Free Speech in order to facilitate a Persons right to a Fair Trial.303Bear said:Debate about the TR aside, the idea that a proceeding before a court could be subject to a "reporting ban", permanent or otherwise, which can land a violator in jail is, quite frankly, terrifying.cms186 said:
Because its not just him giving his opinion to his followers, hes talking about an ongoing trial which he (and everyone else) has been specifically ordered not to talk about until it is over. Its not a permanent reporting ban, its a temporary ban for the duration of the Trial to try and ensure that the Jurors dont get influenced further by outside opinion and so the defendant/s can get a fair trial, because if they dont get a fair trial, they can appeal and get the verdict overturned. In America i believe they achieve this aim by sequestering the Jury (or at least, thats what the John Grisham novels ive read have told me
The point is that Robinson knows this is why hes been arrested and Jailed, he's trying to get the Trial go to a mistrial, because thats what will cause further public outrage, which is his ultimate aim, he doesnt give a **** about justice in this particular case, hes using it for his own reprehensible motives.
I mean in America, because of the first amendment, a Newspaper is legally able to report the name of victims of Rape or Sexual assault without their consent, even if they havent courted any kind of publicity, surely thats taking Free Speech a little too far?
Doc Holliday said:
Theresa May - UK Prime Minister in Mosque, on a prayer mat, wearing a hijab.
how dare a leader of a country go out of her way to make a minority in said country feel valued and included (even if it was probably just a PR stunt)Florda_mike said:Doc Holliday said:
Theresa May - UK Prime Minister in Mosque, on a prayer mat, wearing a hijab.
^^^ She's pretty much what I'd call in the Muslim camp!
Sickening what she's doing to her people
Bought and paid for politician
cms186 said:how dare a leader of a country go out of her way to make a minority in said country feel valued and included (even if it was probably just a PR stunt)Florda_mike said:Doc Holliday said:
Theresa May - UK Prime Minister in Mosque, on a prayer mat, wearing a hijab.
^^^ She's pretty much what I'd call in the Muslim camp!
Sickening what she's doing to her people
Bought and paid for politician
Well there are 2.79 million Muslims officially living in the UK (theres probably many illegals as well, but i doubt that would take the figure any higher than 3 million) which is 4.4% of the Population of the UK, thats the literal definition of "Minority", which definition is your Islamophobic "azz" working from?Florda_mike said:cms186 said:how dare a leader of a country go out of her way to make a minority in said country feel valued and included (even if it was probably just a PR stunt)Florda_mike said:Doc Holliday said:
Theresa May - UK Prime Minister in Mosque, on a prayer mat, wearing a hijab.
^^^ She's pretty much what I'd call in the Muslim camp!
Sickening what she's doing to her people
Bought and paid for politician
Minority my azz
Invite Muslims in your home. I'm fine with them there, or preferably back in the country they came from
Signed -
Infidel
cms186 said:Well there are 2.79 million Muslims officially living in the UK (theres probably many illegals as well, but i doubt that would take the figure any higher than 3 million) which is 4.4% of the Population of the UK, thats the literal definition of "Minority", which definition is your Islamophobic "azz" working from?Florda_mike said:cms186 said:how dare a leader of a country go out of her way to make a minority in said country feel valued and included (even if it was probably just a PR stunt)Florda_mike said:Doc Holliday said:
Theresa May - UK Prime Minister in Mosque, on a prayer mat, wearing a hijab.
^^^ She's pretty much what I'd call in the Muslim camp!
Sickening what she's doing to her people
Bought and paid for politician
Minority my azz
Invite Muslims in your home. I'm fine with them there, or preferably back in the country they came from
Signed -
Infidel
Doc Holliday said:
Does anyone else find it odd that lefties won't comment on posts like this?
Waco1947 said:
In a case that has attracted worldwide attention, the far-right activist was arrested for potentially prejudicing a criminal case while streaming an hour-long Facebook Live video outside the court during a rape trial. The Guardian
Potentially prejudicing a criminal case."
It was stupid on his part. The defense could have the trial thrown out.
cms186 said:how dare a leader of a country go out of her way to make a minority in said country feel valued and included (even if it was probably just a PR stunt)Florda_mike said:Doc Holliday said:
Theresa May - UK Prime Minister in Mosque, on a prayer mat, wearing a hijab.
^^^ She's pretty much what I'd call in the Muslim camp!
Sickening what she's doing to her people
Bought and paid for politician
