Trump is a BOSS!

Doc Holliday
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Politicians thinking that the real negotiations and talk weren't going to start yet since the press was in the room, and Trump just says "f__k that lets go right now" and takes it to the EU and specifically Germany - WOW!'

I've never seen anyone speak truth and defend America like that against other global decision makers. Trump just put on a clinic on how to fight for American interests. He lets Germany talk their BS than INSTANTLY calls out the money that Germany is paying Russia for energy, and points out how Germany's former chancellor is profiting off of the deal, and asks why we should pay to protect Germany from Russia while Germany is enriching their so-called enemy.

Seriously, they had to kick the press out of the room because it got too real too fast.
This is our president. He loves America.

God bless America.

God bless Trump.



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I feel sorry for Kay Bailey Hutchison.
Doc Holliday
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bubbadog said:

I feel sorry for Kay Bailey Hutchison.
I don't feel sorry for her, she's never been around an alpha with actual balls.

She is clearly turned on.
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Are you pro Russia now?

The former Chancellor of Germany is the head of the pipeline company that is paying Russia billions of dollars.

The USA has to "protect" the Germans, who are inviting in millions of terrorists, their leaders and former leaders are getting rich, and Germany is funding Russia and their military.

He is telling the truth that they all hide.

Russia will control Germany, by controlling their energy, and Germany will control Europe and its borders by controlling the EU.

Germany gave up their own coal, and nuke energy- energy essential to sustain their own country, especially in times of war, so the f_ckers could buy Russian gas. Russia! The country that US tax payer money, and soldiers are supposedly needed for, to "protect" against!

Meanwhile, the "enemy" they so deeply fear, (Russia) is making bank from selling them gas, while German politicians are getting paid from the Russian trade deal.

Then, the son's of b!!tches don't pay up for what they owe according to NATO treaty. Then they try to appease their American lap dogs with some BS "promise" to pay up...in 12 years! Then they squak about the USA wanting fair trade tarrifs!

We are the biggest chumps on the planet for playing this game! Burn it all down!
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bubbadog said:

I feel sorry for Kay Bailey Hutchison.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/08/trump-making-impact-on-nato-as-allies-ramp-up-defense-spending-ambassador-kay-bailey-hutchison.html
She had some great words about Trump the other day.

"I've worked for three presidents, all of whom have said the same thing," Hutchison said. "Now, I think for the first time, we are really seeing the Europeans start going in the same direction. Every ally is now increasing defense spending -- we've had the largest increase in defense spending snce the Cold War."
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General Kelly seems to be embarrassed of his boss, and Hutchison looks like a deer in headlights...
Johnny Bear
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It is insane that 73 years after the end of World War II the USA is still shouldering so much of the financial burden for the defense of the West along with the rest of the free world. It was understandable through the 60's or so, but after that there should have at least been a phasing in of increased cost sharing with Western Europe and other countries like Japan that never happened. Trump is the first POTUS we've had in that time period to have the guts to call out these countries that deserve to be called out on this issue.
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HuMcK said:

General Kelly seems to be embarrassed of his boss, and Hutchison looks like a deer in headlights...

Are you a body language expert? To me it seems like he is saying that's exactly right. Glad someone is saying it.

Read the post above about what Hutchison said, she knows exactly what he is doing and it's getting results.

Do you let your friends take advantage of you all the time and walk all over you? I hope not.
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Johnny Bear said:

Trump is the first POTUS we've had in that time period to have the guts to call out these countries that deserve to be called out on this issue.
Factually incorrect.
riflebear
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bubbadog said:

Johnny Bear said:

Trump is the first POTUS we've had in that time period to have the guts to call out these countries that deserve to be called out on this issue.
Factually incorrect.
He's the first President getting results because he's doing it in public & not behind closed doors.
Doc Holliday
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riflebear said:

bubbadog said:

Johnny Bear said:

Trump is the first POTUS we've had in that time period to have the guts to call out these countries that deserve to be called out on this issue.
Factually incorrect.
He's the first President getting results because he's doing it in public & not behind closed doors.
Trump UNLOADS on NATO defense sec. The only thing Obama ever unloaded was pallets of cash to Iran.

The anti Trumpers are full of cognitive dissonance.
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riflebear said:

bubbadog said:

I feel sorry for Kay Bailey Hutchison.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/08/trump-making-impact-on-nato-as-allies-ramp-up-defense-spending-ambassador-kay-bailey-hutchison.html
She had some great words about Trump the other day.

"I've worked for three presidents, all of whom have said the same thing," Hutchison said. "Now, I think for the first time, we are really seeing the Europeans start going in the same direction. Every ally is now increasing defense spending -- we've had the largest increase in defense spending snce the Cold War."



They actually stared 4 years ago increasing their defense spending. Why? Because leaders can get you to what what's right and best AND leave you with dignity and value.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/world/europe/nato-trump-spending.html

HuMcK
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riflebear said:

bubbadog said:

Johnny Bear said:

Trump is the first POTUS we've had in that time period to have the guts to call out these countries that deserve to be called out on this issue.
Factually incorrect.
He's the first President getting results because he's doing it in public & not behind closed doors.

Just fyi, the 2% spending threshold Trump loves to complain about was agreed to in 2014, during the Obama administration. It also was an agreement to build to 2% by 2024, not immediately, so there are no "delinquencies" like Trump keeps saying.
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Trump was 100% right to call out Germany on their duplicity with their Russian pipeline.....not a close call .

NATO has been bilking the US for decades. There was a time it was necessary to allow this.

No longer.

What a pleasure to have a POTUS that puts his own country (and it's people ). FIRST.
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I like it how he clearly has that Secretary General very nervous and almost scared. Trump is just the BOSS.
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tommie said:

riflebear said:

bubbadog said:

I feel sorry for Kay Bailey Hutchison.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/08/trump-making-impact-on-nato-as-allies-ramp-up-defense-spending-ambassador-kay-bailey-hutchison.html
She had some great words about Trump the other day.

"I've worked for three presidents, all of whom have said the same thing," Hutchison said. "Now, I think for the first time, we are really seeing the Europeans start going in the same direction. Every ally is now increasing defense spending -- we've had the largest increase in defense spending snce the Cold War."



They actually stared 4 years ago increasing their defense spending. Why? Because leaders can get you to what what's right and best AND leave you with dignity and value.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/world/europe/nato-trump-spending.html



Based on your own article it was Putin, not Obama that caused them to talk about spending the 2%.

"Only in 2014, after Russia annexed Crimea and intervened militarily in eastern Ukraine, did NATO leaders meeting in Wales agree to the 2 percent standard, and even then they urged members to "move toward" that goal by 2024, still seven years away."

You should try and be more honest.
riflebear
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HuMcK said:

riflebear said:

bubbadog said:

Johnny Bear said:

Trump is the first POTUS we've had in that time period to have the guts to call out these countries that deserve to be called out on this issue.
Factually incorrect.
He's the first President getting results because he's doing it in public & not behind closed doors.

Just fyi, the 2% spending threshold Trump loves to complain about was agreed to in 2014, during the Obama administration. It also was an agreement to build to 2% by 2024, not immediately, so there are no "delinquencies" like Trump keeps saying.
Incorrect, it was agreed upon years earlier but because of the Ukraine conflict in 2014 they decided to come together and move closer to the 2% since just about every country was slow to reach the 2% mainly because of the tough economic times last decade.

Trump even said Germany was trying to move it out to 2030. Bottom line is all of us in business are used to making decisions and getting things done. Politicians are used to handshakes and taking pictures and moving at a snails pace. Trump (and all Americans) are sick of Congress & our allies taking advantage of us and only worrying about reelection.

Again, read Hutchison's quote above and it proves the point of the OP.

Trump is exactly right when he has to look out for the American Taxpayer's first and it's unfair to all of us when we have so many other areas we could use those billions of dollars if other countries are not going to play ball.
Johnny Bear
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riflebear said:

bubbadog said:

Johnny Bear said:

Trump is the first POTUS we've had in that time period to have the guts to call out these countries that deserve to be called out on this issue.
Factually incorrect.
He's the first President getting results because he's doing it in public & not behind closed doors.
Well put.

Upon further reflection, I seem to recall Reagan at least bringing the issue up, but even he never put the effort behind actually trying to correct the problem like Trump, who again is the first POTUS we've had with the guts to proactively try to meaningfully resolve the problem.
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riflebear said:

bubbadog said:

Johnny Bear said:

Trump is the first POTUS we've had in that time period to have the guts to call out these countries that deserve to be called out on this issue.
Factually incorrect.
He's the first President getting results because he's doing it in public & not behind closed doors.
Also factually incorrect.
TexasScientist
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Doc Holliday said:

Politicians thinking that the real negotiations and talk weren't going to start yet since the press was in the room, and Trump just says "f__k that lets go right now" and takes it to the EU and specifically Germany - WOW!'

I've never seen anyone speak truth and defend America like that against other global decision makers. Trump just put on a clinic on how to fight for American interests. He lets Germany talk their BS than INSTANTLY calls out the money that Germany is paying Russia for energy, and points out how Germany's former chancellor is profiting off of the deal, and asks why we should pay to protect Germany from Russia while Germany is enriching their so-called enemy.

Seriously, they had to kick the press out of the room because it got too real too fast.
This is our president. He loves America.

God bless America.

God bless Trump.




Although I'm not a Trump fan, I'll give him credit when it is due. He is right to call out the NATO members that are not carrying their share.

According to NATO's own figures, just 5 of the 28 alliance members meet the requirement agreed upon in 2006 that members spend at least 2 percent of their GDP on defense.
Time http://time.com/4680885/nato-defense-spending-budget-trump/
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Doc Holliday said:

Are you pro Russia now?

The former Chancellor of Germany is the head of the pipeline company that is paying Russia billions of dollars.

The USA has to "protect" the Germans, who are inviting in millions of terrorists, their leaders and former leaders are getting rich, and Germany is funding Russia and their military.

He is telling the truth that they all hide.

Russia will control Germany, by controlling their energy, and Germany will control Europe and its borders by controlling the EU.

Germany gave up their own coal, and nuke energy- energy essential to sustain their own country, especially in times of war, so the f_ckers could buy Russian gas. Russia! The country that US tax payer money, and soldiers are supposedly needed for, to "protect" against!

Meanwhile, the "enemy" they so deeply fear, (Russia) is making bank from selling them gas, while German politicians are getting paid from the Russian trade deal.

Then, the son's of b!!tches don't pay up for what they owe according to NATO treaty. Then they try to appease their American lap dogs with some BS "promise" to pay up...in 12 years! Then they squak about the USA wanting fair trade tarrifs!

We are the biggest chumps on the planet for playing this game! Burn it all down!
We have an oversupply in this country of natural gas for years to come. With new LNG platforms coming on line, and if the government would encourage additional construction of LNG platforms, the U.S. could easily supply Germany's and the EU's energy needs. They could close the valves to Russian pipelines. Why are we not moving more quickly in this direction should be the question.
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At an issue level, no one should disagree with the POTUS on this. It's better for the US, it's even better long term for our allies, and it actually strengthens NATO overall. As it seems with everything having to do with this POTUS, it ends up being an argument over style and approach. I'm okay with some public ridicule and pressure as years of the diplomatic slow play hasn't been effective. I'd rather he be direct (even if uncomfortable) in a face to face situation than tweet out a bunch of shots across the bow.
riflebear
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Ari has been critical of Trump many times but he is very fair when credit is due.

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TexasScientist said:

Doc Holliday said:

Are you pro Russia now?

The former Chancellor of Germany is the head of the pipeline company that is paying Russia billions of dollars.

The USA has to "protect" the Germans, who are inviting in millions of terrorists, their leaders and former leaders are getting rich, and Germany is funding Russia and their military.

He is telling the truth that they all hide.

Russia will control Germany, by controlling their energy, and Germany will control Europe and its borders by controlling the EU.

Germany gave up their own coal, and nuke energy- energy essential to sustain their own country, especially in times of war, so the f_ckers could buy Russian gas. Russia! The country that US tax payer money, and soldiers are supposedly needed for, to "protect" against!

Meanwhile, the "enemy" they so deeply fear, (Russia) is making bank from selling them gas, while German politicians are getting paid from the Russian trade deal.

Then, the son's of b!!tches don't pay up for what they owe according to NATO treaty. Then they try to appease their American lap dogs with some BS "promise" to pay up...in 12 years! Then they squak about the USA wanting fair trade tarrifs!

We are the biggest chumps on the planet for playing this game! Burn it all down!
We have an oversupply in this country of natural gas for years to come. With new LNG platforms coming on line, and if the government would encourage additional construction of LNG platforms, the U.S. could easily supply Germany's and the EU's energy needs. They could close the valves to Russian pipelines. Why are we not moving more quickly in this direction should be the question.
Agreed.
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ATL Bear said:

At an issue level, no one should disagree with the POTUS on this. It's better for the US, it's even better long term for our allies, and it actually strengthens NATO overall. As it seems with everything having to do with this POTUS, it ends up being an argument over style and approach. I'm okay with some public ridicule and pressure as years of the diplomatic slow play hasn't been effective. I'd rather he be direct (even if uncomfortable) in a face to face situation than tweet out a bunch of shots across the bow.
And nobody really disagrees at an issue level, as far as I can tell. Trump isn't breaking new ground here; getting NATO allies to pay their share is a continuation of the policy of previous administrations.

Trump's style is loud, bullying diplomacy over quieter diplomacy. Sometimes there is a place for louder diplomacy.

But I think it's a mistake to dismiss this as merely a difference in style. At some point, the line between Trump's style and Trump's policies become very blurred. Here's what I mean. If Trump had simply been cajoling NATO members to increase their contributions, that would be one thing. But he goes way beyond that. He disparages the entire concept of NATO, to the point that the Europeans seriously believed he would not honor America's commitment to defend NATO members. He disparages the European Union, which makes allies nervous because NATO is also a union of mostly European states. He attacks our allies at levels that go beyond their NATO contributions. He says Russia is a competitor, not an adversary, which doesn't give the Baltic states (Estonia in particular) much confidence that the US will look out for them if Putin behaves aggressively (remember that the Russians already have launched a crippling cyber attack on Estonia). Trump may in his own mind view all these statements as nothing more than leverage to get NATO members to ramp up their defense spending, but these are all statements that have a bearing on US policy, or at least reflect the "thinking" of the administration that Trump leads, and that's why his "style" has broader implications.

Besides, as others have pointed out on this thread, the 2% commitment was for 2024 and, thus, none of the nations that aren't there yet are actually out of compliance. So when Trump claims they're deadbeats, he's lying, and our allies naturally resent being lied about in public.

And why would anyone trust Trump's figures anyway? This guy admits he lied about Canadian tariffs when he met Trudeau and just pulled figures out of his ass. Apparently, he doesn't understand or doesn't care that this admission of deliberate lying will affect his relations with every other ally.
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bubbadog said:

ATL Bear said:

At an issue level, no one should disagree with the POTUS on this. It's better for the US, it's even better long term for our allies, and it actually strengthens NATO overall. As it seems with everything having to do with this POTUS, it ends up being an argument over style and approach. I'm okay with some public ridicule and pressure as years of the diplomatic slow play hasn't been effective. I'd rather he be direct (even if uncomfortable) in a face to face situation than tweet out a bunch of shots across the bow.
and just pulled figures out of his ass.
He learned from the best...

riflebear
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Congress (both Dems & GOP) have been fighting this Russia/Germany partnership for this huge pipeline for almost 4 years but most people don't know this. Trump brings it up and somehow gets criticized.

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riflebear said:

bubbadog said:

ATL Bear said:

At an issue level, no one should disagree with the POTUS on this. It's better for the US, it's even better long term for our allies, and it actually strengthens NATO overall. As it seems with everything having to do with this POTUS, it ends up being an argument over style and approach. I'm okay with some public ridicule and pressure as years of the diplomatic slow play hasn't been effective. I'd rather he be direct (even if uncomfortable) in a face to face situation than tweet out a bunch of shots across the bow.
and just pulled figures out of his ass.
He learned from the best...


There is a big difference between citing information that proves to be inaccurate later and deliberately making **** up. You get that, right?
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bubbadog said:

riflebear said:

bubbadog said:

ATL Bear said:

At an issue level, no one should disagree with the POTUS on this. It's better for the US, it's even better long term for our allies, and it actually strengthens NATO overall. As it seems with everything having to do with this POTUS, it ends up being an argument over style and approach. I'm okay with some public ridicule and pressure as years of the diplomatic slow play hasn't been effective. I'd rather he be direct (even if uncomfortable) in a face to face situation than tweet out a bunch of shots across the bow.
and just pulled figures out of his ass.
He learned from the best...


There is a big difference between citing information that proves to be inaccurate later and deliberately making **** up. You get that, right?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're hopeless.
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GolemIII said:

tommie said:

riflebear said:

bubbadog said:

I feel sorry for Kay Bailey Hutchison.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/08/trump-making-impact-on-nato-as-allies-ramp-up-defense-spending-ambassador-kay-bailey-hutchison.html
She had some great words about Trump the other day.

"I've worked for three presidents, all of whom have said the same thing," Hutchison said. "Now, I think for the first time, we are really seeing the Europeans start going in the same direction. Every ally is now increasing defense spending -- we've had the largest increase in defense spending snce the Cold War."



They actually stared 4 years ago increasing their defense spending. Why? Because leaders can get you to what what's right and best AND leave you with dignity and value.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/world/europe/nato-trump-spending.html



Based on your own article it was Putin, not Obama that caused them to talk about spending the 2%.

"Only in 2014, after Russia annexed Crimea and intervened militarily in eastern Ukraine, did NATO leaders meeting in Wales agree to the 2 percent standard, and even then they urged members to "move toward" that goal by 2024, still seven years away."

You should try and be more honest.


Go with that. They've started increasing our spending since 2014. They've agreed to raise their spending to 2% by 2024.

How are they delinquent?
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bubbadog said:

riflebear said:

bubbadog said:

ATL Bear said:

At an issue level, no one should disagree with the POTUS on this. It's better for the US, it's even better long term for our allies, and it actually strengthens NATO overall. As it seems with everything having to do with this POTUS, it ends up being an argument over style and approach. I'm okay with some public ridicule and pressure as years of the diplomatic slow play hasn't been effective. I'd rather he be direct (even if uncomfortable) in a face to face situation than tweet out a bunch of shots across the bow.
and just pulled figures out of his ass.
He learned from the best...


There is a big difference between citing information that proves to be inaccurate later and deliberately making **** up. You get that, right?
I do, Obama definitely was making sh** up all the time. Thanks for confirming my point.
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riflebear said:

bubbadog said:

riflebear said:

bubbadog said:

ATL Bear said:

At an issue level, no one should disagree with the POTUS on this. It's better for the US, it's even better long term for our allies, and it actually strengthens NATO overall. As it seems with everything having to do with this POTUS, it ends up being an argument over style and approach. I'm okay with some public ridicule and pressure as years of the diplomatic slow play hasn't been effective. I'd rather he be direct (even if uncomfortable) in a face to face situation than tweet out a bunch of shots across the bow.
and just pulled figures out of his ass.
He learned from the best...


There is a big difference between citing information that proves to be inaccurate later and deliberately making **** up. You get that, right?
I do, Obama definitely was making sh** up all the time. Thanks for confirming my point.
You may need to consult the definition of "confirming" here.
You assert that Obama deliberately made things up all the time, with no evidence behind that claim and none forthcoming.
While you've got the dictionary out, also explore the meanings of "making **** up" and "all the time." You seem confused on what those involve as well.
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riflebear said:

bubbadog said:

riflebear said:

bubbadog said:

ATL Bear said:

At an issue level, no one should disagree with the POTUS on this. It's better for the US, it's even better long term for our allies, and it actually strengthens NATO overall. As it seems with everything having to do with this POTUS, it ends up being an argument over style and approach. I'm okay with some public ridicule and pressure as years of the diplomatic slow play hasn't been effective. I'd rather he be direct (even if uncomfortable) in a face to face situation than tweet out a bunch of shots across the bow.
and just pulled figures out of his ass.
He learned from the best...


There is a big difference between citing information that proves to be inaccurate later and deliberately making **** up. You get that, right?
I do, Obama definitely was making sh** up all the time. Thanks for confirming my point.


You can't be against lying and support trump. Trump lies because it's tuesday.

The problem with Europe is my bother and my dad aren't European. They both would have let Trump know that the door that he came through is the one he can leave through.
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bubbadog said:

ATL Bear said:

At an issue level, no one should disagree with the POTUS on this. It's better for the US, it's even better long term for our allies, and it actually strengthens NATO overall. As it seems with everything having to do with this POTUS, it ends up being an argument over style and approach. I'm okay with some public ridicule and pressure as years of the diplomatic slow play hasn't been effective. I'd rather he be direct (even if uncomfortable) in a face to face situation than tweet out a bunch of shots across the bow.
And nobody really disagrees at an issue level, as far as I can tell. Trump isn't breaking new ground here; getting NATO allies to pay their share is a continuation of the policy of previous administrations.

Trump's style is loud, bullying diplomacy over quieter diplomacy. Sometimes there is a place for louder diplomacy.

But I think it's a mistake to dismiss this as merely a difference in style. At some point, the line between Trump's style and Trump's policies become very blurred. Here's what I mean. If Trump had simply been cajoling NATO members to increase their contributions, that would be one thing. But he goes way beyond that. He disparages the entire concept of NATO, to the point that the Europeans seriously believed he would not honor America's commitment to defend NATO members. He disparages the European Union, which makes allies nervous because NATO is also a union of mostly European states. He attacks our allies at levels that go beyond their NATO contributions. He says Russia is a competitor, not an adversary, which doesn't give the Baltic states (Estonia in particular) much confidence that the US will look out for them if Putin behaves aggressively (remember that the Russians already have launched a crippling cyber attack on Estonia). Trump may in his own mind view all these statements as nothing more than leverage to get NATO members to ramp up their defense spending, but these are all statements that have a bearing on US policy, or at least reflect the "thinking" of the administration that Trump leads, and that's why his "style" has broader implications.

Besides, as others have pointed out on this thread, the 2% commitment was for 2024 and, thus, none of the nations that aren't there yet are actually out of compliance. So when Trump claims they're deadbeats, he's lying, and our allies naturally resent being lied about in public.

And why would anyone trust Trump's figures anyway? This guy admits he lied about Canadian tariffs when he met Trudeau and just pulled figures out of his ass. Apparently, he doesn't understand or doesn't care that this admission of deliberate lying will affect his relations with every other ally.
Again, most of what you're citing is style not substance, feelings not actions. That is projecting what we "think" would happen based upon simple framing of sporadic dialogue and snippets. I can tell you most of our NATO allies don't view Russia as much an adversary as we are choosing to do. I also believe, even prior to Trump, that the NATO alliance needed to be rethought. Even Obama agreed with that. Obama also carried the "weak" moniker because NATO allies knew he would press them to take the lead on many NATO operations (Libya being one example). I believe that he didn't deserve that moniker for that particular approach.

The contribution levels have been consistently resisted and pushed back. The costs we bare regarding use of our bases and operations centers, intelligence, equipment, and manpower via NATO which is the reality of the claim of how much people ride our tails for defense. It's a huge percentage, like about 3/4's. But the interesting part is we're talking whether these nations have met minimums, meanwhile the US has been contributing much more than is required under NATO terms, which has allowed other countries to not put forth anything comparable. That should be rectified, and if that's not a deadbeat, it's certainly a leech as they take advantage of the largess of another.

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