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300 priests
1000 boys and girls raped
1000 boys and girls raped
Here is a link to the actual grand jury report:
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/local/report-on-pennsylvania-church-sex-abuse/2319/
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/local/report-on-pennsylvania-church-sex-abuse/2319/
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
Make Racism Wrong Again
Nothing yet from the Vatican.
Make Racism Wrong Again
In the late 1960s, we were living in a small South Georgia town. My brother started going with a friend to his Church of Christ youth group. The youth director took an interest in my brother, a short, shy kid who was, as my mother diplomatically put it, a "late maturer"--he did not really hit puberty until he was 16. My brother was devastated when the youth director made an inappropriate suggestion. He told my mother. She told my father.
Then she and the other boy's mother had to talk my father and the other boy's father out of visiting the youth director to "punch his lights out," as my father put it. Instead, the other boy's parents complained to the pastor. The youth director was fired, but quickly hired by another church in another small Georgia town.
It's not just the Catholic Church, folks,
But, because they have a large, entrenched bureaucracy and centralized, global control over priests and nuns, they perfected the art of covering over their misdeeds, thus enabling the perps to continue to abuse for decades.
I hope the exposure of the Catholic system of protecting priests rather than children resulted in some real soul searching, but that hasn't seemed to be the case thus far. I also hope other churches examine their own policies and procedures re: dealing with abuse of children and women in their congregations. No church has a good record in this regard.
Then she and the other boy's mother had to talk my father and the other boy's father out of visiting the youth director to "punch his lights out," as my father put it. Instead, the other boy's parents complained to the pastor. The youth director was fired, but quickly hired by another church in another small Georgia town.
It's not just the Catholic Church, folks,
But, because they have a large, entrenched bureaucracy and centralized, global control over priests and nuns, they perfected the art of covering over their misdeeds, thus enabling the perps to continue to abuse for decades.
I hope the exposure of the Catholic system of protecting priests rather than children resulted in some real soul searching, but that hasn't seemed to be the case thus far. I also hope other churches examine their own policies and procedures re: dealing with abuse of children and women in their congregations. No church has a good record in this regard.
cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
Being Catholic does not equal Trump voter. That's the dumbest thing I've read today and it's early.
What happened was sickening, tragic, and those who perpetrated those crimes should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I think he has a valid point. Everyone is horrified about the revelations about the Catholic cover-ups, and some of what they've covered up are children fathered by priests with teenage girls or adult women.YoakDaddy said:cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
Being Catholic does not equal Trump voter. That's the dumbest thing I've read today and it's early.
What happened was sickening, tragic, and those who perpetrated those crimes should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
But the religious right blithely ignored revelations that Donald Trump was a serial adulterer who bragged to a TV host about "grabbing women by the p----y" and who had sex with a porn star soon after the birth of his son with his third wife. They still ignore this and numerous other very public misdeeds that are easily proved beyond a reasonable doubt, some by Trump's own admission.
I've seen claims on this site that God put Trump in office. I don't believe in God or the devil, but if I did, I'd hold the devil responsible for the Trump presidency. God didn't have nuthin to do with it.
cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
"It it ain't broke, get a bigger hammer!"
If you think Bill Clinton was so morally reprehensible, then why did you vote for a candidate who did exactly the same thing?Loaded4Bear said:cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
Jinx 2 said:I think he has a valid point. Everyone is horrified about the revelations about the Catholic cover-ups, and some of what they've covered up are children fathered by priests with teenage girls or adult women.YoakDaddy said:cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
Being Catholic does not equal Trump voter. That's the dumbest thing I've read today and it's early.
What happened was sickening, tragic, and those who perpetrated those crimes should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
But the religious right blithely ignored revelations that Donald Trump was a serial adulterer who bragged to a TV host about "grabbing women by the p----y" and who had sex with a porn star soon after the birth of his son with his third wife. They still ignore this and numerous other very public misdeeds that are easily proved beyond a reasonable doubt, some by Trump's own admission.
I've seen claims on this site that God put Trump in office. I don't believe in God or the devil, but if I did, I'd hold the devil responsible for the Trump presidency. God didn't have nuthin to do with it.
Like I stated, it was still early....
Yes. It's tragic. No argument there. To compare systematic, serial sexual abuse of minors by catholic clergy to one guy who is a known cheater is preposterous. God puts every leader into office; good and bad. Now you've outdone cinque on dumbest things posted today. That's hard to do. Congratulations.
God doesn't put leaders into office.YoakDaddy said:Jinx 2 said:I think he has a valid point. Everyone is horrified about the revelations about the Catholic cover-ups, and some of what they've covered up are children fathered by priests with teenage girls or adult women.YoakDaddy said:cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
Being Catholic does not equal Trump voter. That's the dumbest thing I've read today and it's early.
What happened was sickening, tragic, and those who perpetrated those crimes should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
But the religious right blithely ignored revelations that Donald Trump was a serial adulterer who bragged to a TV host about "grabbing women by the p----y" and who had sex with a porn star soon after the birth of his son with his third wife. They still ignore this and numerous other very public misdeeds that are easily proved beyond a reasonable doubt, some by Trump's own admission.
I've seen claims on this site that God put Trump in office. I don't believe in God or the devil, but if I did, I'd hold the devil responsible for the Trump presidency. God didn't have nuthin to do with it.
Like I stated, it was still early....
Yes. It's tragic. No argument there. To compare systematic, serial sexual abuse of minors by catholic clergy to one guy who is a known cheater is preposterous. God puts every leader into office; good and bad. Now you've outdone cinque on dumbest things posted today. That's hard to do. Congratulations.
God doesn't side with one army over another in a war.
God does not regard the United States as a chosen nation.
First, let's be clear: Cinque did not "compare systematic, serial sexual abuse of minors by catholic clergy to one guy who is a known cheater." He simply pointed out the selective morals and outrageous hypocrisy of people who condemn Catholic clergy for their sexual misdeed (as we all should), but who supported Donald Trump as "God's candidate" because he would appoint conservative judges to SCOTUS.YoakDaddy said:Jinx 2 said:I think he has a valid point. Everyone is horrified about the revelations about the Catholic cover-ups, and some of what they've covered up are children fathered by priests with teenage girls or adult women.YoakDaddy said:cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
Being Catholic does not equal Trump voter. That's the dumbest thing I've read today and it's early.
What happened was sickening, tragic, and those who perpetrated those crimes should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
But the religious right blithely ignored revelations that Donald Trump was a serial adulterer who bragged to a TV host about "grabbing women by the p----y" and who had sex with a porn star soon after the birth of his son with his third wife. They still ignore this and numerous other very public misdeeds that are easily proved beyond a reasonable doubt, some by Trump's own admission.
I've seen claims on this site that God put Trump in office. I don't believe in God or the devil, but if I did, I'd hold the devil responsible for the Trump presidency. God didn't have nuthin to do with it.
Like I stated, it was still early....
Yes. It's tragic. No argument there. To compare systematic, serial sexual abuse of minors by catholic clergy to one guy who is a known cheater is preposterous. God puts every leader into office; good and bad. Now you've outdone cinque on dumbest things posted today. That's hard to do. Congratulations.
The only one appointed thus far was for a stolen seat, which also speaks to the current moral status of the GOP--and to how ineffective the rule of law and a government that's supposed to have checks and balances when under single-party control. The only thing that's saved us from utter stupidity is the infighting amongst the uber-conservatives and the saner members of the GOP.
As for God putting Trump and any other president in office, I didn't see a lot of prayers of support for God's choice of Obama for 2 terms from you and others on this board.
And you apparently don't believe people have the free will to sin individually or in concert.
Since I don't believe God is in control of anyone's fate, individually or as a group or nation, this isn't an issue for me. When I still believed in God, I believed he allowed us total freedom to make mistakes--including really bad ones--but also offered us the resources to examine those choices with our mind and heart and should and make better decisions going forward.
IMO, Trump was a very bad decision on the part of our nation. Now we have a chance to do better than continue to allow the part of the immoral bully currently sitting in the Oval Office (they should rename it the Oral Office, since all he does there is pontificate about important issues like...Omarosa) unfettered control of our government. I hope Democrats win to stop Trump and his unqualified appointees from undermining our national stability and status.
Jinx 2 said:First, let's be clear: Cinque did not "compare systematic, serial sexual abuse of minors by catholic clergy to one guy who is a known cheater." He simply pointed out the selective morals and outrageous hypocrisy of people who condemn Catholic clergy for their sexual misdeed (as we all should), but who supported Donald Trump as "God's candidate" because he would appoint conservative judges to SCOTUS.YoakDaddy said:Jinx 2 said:I think he has a valid point. Everyone is horrified about the revelations about the Catholic cover-ups, and some of what they've covered up are children fathered by priests with teenage girls or adult women.YoakDaddy said:cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
Being Catholic does not equal Trump voter. That's the dumbest thing I've read today and it's early.
What happened was sickening, tragic, and those who perpetrated those crimes should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
But the religious right blithely ignored revelations that Donald Trump was a serial adulterer who bragged to a TV host about "grabbing women by the p----y" and who had sex with a porn star soon after the birth of his son with his third wife. They still ignore this and numerous other very public misdeeds that are easily proved beyond a reasonable doubt, some by Trump's own admission.
I've seen claims on this site that God put Trump in office. I don't believe in God or the devil, but if I did, I'd hold the devil responsible for the Trump presidency. God didn't have nuthin to do with it.
Like I stated, it was still early....
Yes. It's tragic. No argument there. To compare systematic, serial sexual abuse of minors by catholic clergy to one guy who is a known cheater is preposterous. God puts every leader into office; good and bad. Now you've outdone cinque on dumbest things posted today. That's hard to do. Congratulations.
The only one appointed thus far was for a stolen seat, which also speaks to the current moral status of the GOP--and to how ineffective the rule of law and a government that's supposed to have checks and balances when under single-party control. The only thing that's saved us from utter stupidity is the infighting amongst the uber-conservatives and the saner members of the GOP.
As for God putting Trump and any other president in office, I didn't see a lot of prayers of support for God's choice of Obama for 2 terms from you and others on this board.
And you apparently don't believe people have the free will to sin individually or in concert.
Since I don't believe God is in control of anyone's fate, individually or as a group or nation, this isn't an issue for me. When I still believed in God, I believed he allowed us total freedom to make mistakes--including really bad ones--but also offered us the resources to examine those choices with our mind and heart and should and make better decisions going forward.
IMO, Trump was a very bad decision on the part of our nation. Now we have a chance to do better than continue to allow the part of the immoral bully currently sitting in the Oval Office (they should rename it the Oral Office, since all he does there is pontificate about important issues like...Omarosa) unfettered control of our government. I hope Democrats win to stop Trump and his unqualified appointees from undermining our national stability and status.
Triggered much? Which antifa rally you headed to next?
The office was thus renamed when Clinton occupied it.Jinx 2 said:First, let's be clear: Cinque did not "compare systematic, serial sexual abuse of minors by catholic clergy to one guy who is a known cheater." He simply pointed out the selective morals and outrageous hypocrisy of people who condemn Catholic clergy for their sexual misdeed (as we all should), but who supported Donald Trump as "God's candidate" because he would appoint conservative judges to SCOTUS.YoakDaddy said:Jinx 2 said:I think he has a valid point. Everyone is horrified about the revelations about the Catholic cover-ups, and some of what they've covered up are children fathered by priests with teenage girls or adult women.YoakDaddy said:cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
Being Catholic does not equal Trump voter. That's the dumbest thing I've read today and it's early.
What happened was sickening, tragic, and those who perpetrated those crimes should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
But the religious right blithely ignored revelations that Donald Trump was a serial adulterer who bragged to a TV host about "grabbing women by the p----y" and who had sex with a porn star soon after the birth of his son with his third wife. They still ignore this and numerous other very public misdeeds that are easily proved beyond a reasonable doubt, some by Trump's own admission.
I've seen claims on this site that God put Trump in office. I don't believe in God or the devil, but if I did, I'd hold the devil responsible for the Trump presidency. God didn't have nuthin to do with it.
Like I stated, it was still early....
Yes. It's tragic. No argument there. To compare systematic, serial sexual abuse of minors by catholic clergy to one guy who is a known cheater is preposterous. God puts every leader into office; good and bad. Now you've outdone cinque on dumbest things posted today. That's hard to do. Congratulations.
The only one appointed thus far was for a stolen seat, which also speaks to the current moral status of the GOP--and to how ineffective the rule of law and a government that's supposed to have checks and balances when under single-party control. The only thing that's saved us from utter stupidity is the infighting amongst the uber-conservatives and the saner members of the GOP.
As for God putting Trump and any other president in office, I didn't see a lot of prayers of support for God's choice of Obama for 2 terms from you and others on this board.
And you apparently don't believe people have the free will to sin individually or in concert.
Since I don't believe God is in control of anyone's fate, individually or as a group or nation, this isn't an issue for me. When I still believed in God, I believed he allowed us total freedom to make mistakes--including really bad ones--but also offered us the resources to examine those choices with our mind and heart and should and make better decisions going forward.
IMO, Trump was a very bad decision on the part of our nation. Now we have a chance to do better than continue to allow the part of the immoral bully currently sitting in the Oval Office (they should rename it the Oral Office, since all he does there is pontificate about important issues like...Omarosa) unfettered control of our government. I hope Democrats win to stop Trump and his unqualified appointees from undermining our national stability and status.
Regarding SCOTUS appointments, the historical practice is that an outgoing president gets to make an appointment if he has a majority in the Senate. If he doesn't, he doesn't. It's always been that way.
That didn't appear to me to be what he was saying. I took the "you" in his post to be addressed to Trump voters, not Catholics.YoakDaddy said:cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
Being Catholic does not equal Trump voter. That's the dumbest thing I've read today and it's early.
Jinx 2 said:If you think Bill Clinton was so morally reprehensible, then why did you vote for a candidate who did exactly the same thing?Loaded4Bear said:cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
I did not vote for Bill but he was my President. Being a dirtbag that cheats on his wife is not against the law nor grounds for removal of a President. Bill set the bar. Hilarious to see the Moral outrage coming from the Left.
"It it ain't broke, get a bigger hammer!"
bubbadog said:That didn't appear to me to be what he was saying. I took the "you" in his post to be addressed to Trump voters, not Catholics.YoakDaddy said:cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
Being Catholic does not equal Trump voter. That's the dumbest thing I've read today and it's early.
I took it as being Catholic and remaining silent regarding their clergy abuses equals to being a Trump voter and being silent about his cheating. Those abuses are not even in the same zip code.
This is terrible, but this goes back to the 1940's. 70 something years ago. If it were 300 priest in the past few years it would be a horrible epidemic, but some of these cases are several generations ago.Florda_mike said:
300 priests
1000 boys and girls raped
We agree here, this is not about the Catholic church really. They are a much more centralized organization, that say the Baptists or church of Christ which are autonomous. Those guys don't report to a central authority, a guy in a Baptist or C of C church could get away with it for years and nobody would ever know, especially back in the day, when they didn't really have checks and certifications to try and make sure folks were above board.Jinx 2 said:
In the late 1960s, we were living in a small South Georgia town. My brother started going with a friend to his Church of Christ youth group. The youth director took an interest in my brother, a short, shy kid who was, as my mother diplomatically put it, a "late maturer"--he did not really hit puberty until he was 16. My brother was devastated when the youth director made an inappropriate suggestion. He told my mother. She told my father.
Then she and the other boy's mother had to talk my father and the other boy's father out of visiting the youth director to "punch his lights out," as my father put it. Instead, the other boy's parents complained to the pastor. The youth director was fired, but quickly hired by another church in another small Georgia town.
It's not just the Catholic Church, folks,
But, because they have a large, entrenched bureaucracy and centralized, global control over priests and nuns, they perfected the art of covering over their misdeeds, thus enabling the perps to continue to abuse for decades.
I hope the exposure of the Catholic system of protecting priests rather than children resulted in some real soul searching, but that hasn't seemed to be the case thus far. I also hope other churches examine their own policies and procedures re: dealing with abuse of children and women in their congregations. No church has a good record in this regard.
Even more hiliarious to see the total lack of it from the evangelical right, includng lots of people who blame Hillary for sticking by a serial adulterer but admire Melanie for _____ (whatever she does).Loaded4Bear said:Jinx 2 said:If you think Bill Clinton was so morally reprehensible, then why did you vote for a candidate who did exactly the same thing?Loaded4Bear said:cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
I did not vote for Bill but he was my President. Being a dirtbag that cheats on his wife is not against the law nor grounds for removal of a President. Bill set the bar. Hilarious to see the Moral outrage coming from the Left.
Not that the Right ever had a valid claim to moral superiority (Newt Gingrich, Mark Foley, Dennis Hastert). But whatever moral authority or superiority they claimed and sold to evangelical Christians like a used car with a shiny new body covering an engine that starts leaking oil like a sieve right after you drive it off the lot is now in the gutter with Trump.
Jinx 2 said:Even more hiliarious to see the total lack of it from the evangelical right, includng lots of people who blame Hillary for sticking by a serial adulterer but admire Melanie for _____ (whatever she does).Loaded4Bear said:Jinx 2 said:If you think Bill Clinton was so morally reprehensible, then why did you vote for a candidate who did exactly the same thing?Loaded4Bear said:cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
I did not vote for Bill but he was my President. Being a dirtbag that cheats on his wife is not against the law nor grounds for removal of a President. Bill set the bar. Hilarious to see the Moral outrage coming from the Left.
Not that the Right ever had a valid claim to moral superiority (Newt Gingrich, Mark Foley, Dennis Hastert). But whatever moral authority or superiority they claimed and sold to evangelical Christians like a used car with a shiny new body covering an engine that starts leaking oil like a sieve right after you drive it off the lot is now in the gutter with Trump.
Evangelical Christians voted like most of the rest of us did. They voted for the lesser of two evils of two vile candidates.
"It it ain't broke, get a bigger hammer!"
Jinx 2 said:Even more hiliarious to see the total lack of it from the evangelical right, includng lots of people who blame Hillary for sticking by a serial adulterer but admire Melanie for _____ (whatever she does).Loaded4Bear said:Jinx 2 said:If you think Bill Clinton was so morally reprehensible, then why did you vote for a candidate who did exactly the same thing?Loaded4Bear said:cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
I did not vote for Bill but he was my President. Being a dirtbag that cheats on his wife is not against the law nor grounds for removal of a President. Bill set the bar. Hilarious to see the Moral outrage coming from the Left.
I don't think that is what the issue was, Hillary in her normal nasty way to operate, insulted the women Bill took advantage of. Of Lewinsky, a 20 year old being messed with by a 50 year old.
Yes, Hillary Clinton did call Monica Lewinsky, who had an affair with her husband, a "narcissistic loony toon."
Of the women he raped or assaulted before he was in office. She called "Bimbo eruptions"
Hillary is just a nasty hateful woman, who will do anything to advance herself, she is not a "feminist" or "forward thinking" or anything the left loves, she just finds a slot that she thinks will advance her the fastest and goes with it. Very similar to Trump.
If you think Trump is so morally reprehensible, why do you still defend Bubba to this day?Jinx 2 said:If you think Bill Clinton was so morally reprehensible, then why did you vote for a candidate who did exactly the same thing?Loaded4Bear said:cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
People defending Trump in this thread voted for him knowing there were multiple credible allegations of sexual assault that are currently pending. My question is how can you be outraged about that behavior in the Catholic Church and vote for someone who has a history of being just like those priest predators?Jinx 2 said:First, let's be clear: Cinque did not "compare systematic, serial sexual abuse of minors by catholic clergy to one guy who is a known cheater." He simply pointed out the selective morals and outrageous hypocrisy of people who condemn Catholic clergy for their sexual misdeed (as we all should), but who supported Donald Trump as "God's candidate" because he would appoint conservative judges to SCOTUS.YoakDaddy said:Jinx 2 said:I think he has a valid point. Everyone is horrified about the revelations about the Catholic cover-ups, and some of what they've covered up are children fathered by priests with teenage girls or adult women.YoakDaddy said:cinque said:
LThe RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
Being Catholic does not equal Trump voter. That's the dumbest thing I've read today and it's early.
What happened was sickening, tragic, and those who perpetrated those crimes should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
But the religious right blithely ignored revelations that Donald Trump was a serial adulterer who bragged to a TV host about "grabbing women by the p----y" and who had sex with a porn star soon after the birth of his son with his third wife. They still ignore this and numerous other very public misdeeds that are easily proved beyond a reasonable doubt, some by Trump's own admission.
I've seen claims on this site that God put Trump in office. I don't believe in God or the devil, but if I did, I'd hold the devil responsible for the Trump presidency. God didn't have nuthin to do with it.
Like I stated, it was still early....
Yes. It's tragic. No argument there. To compare systematic, serial sexual abuse of minors by catholic clergy to one guy who is a known cheater is preposterous. God puts every leader into office; good and bad. Now you've outdone cinque on dumbest things posted today. That's hard to do. Congratulations.
The only one appointed thus far was for a stolen seat, which also speaks to the current moral status of the GOP--and to how ineffective the rule of law and a government that's supposed to have checks and balances when under single-party control. The only thing that's saved us from utter stupidity is the infighting amongst the uber-conservatives and the saner members of the GOP.
As for God putting Trump and any other president in office, I didn't see a lot of prayers of support for God's choice of Obama for 2 terms from you and others on this board.
And you apparently don't believe people have the free will to sin individually or in concert.
Since I don't believe God is in control of anyone's fate, individually or as a group or nation, this isn't an issue for me. When I still believed in God, I believed he allowed us total freedom to make mistakes--including really bad ones--but also offered us the resources to examine those choices with our mind and heart and should and make better decisions going forward.
IMO, Trump was a very bad decision on the part of our nation. Now we have a chance to do better than continue to allow the part of the immoral bully currently sitting in the Oval Office (they should rename it the Oral Office, since all he does there is pontificate about important issues like...Omarosa) unfettered control of our government. I hope Democrats win to stop Trump and his unqualified appointees from undermining our national stability and status.
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Count on our local leaders liberals to sidetrack an important topic. This has nothing to do with presidents and everything to do with the Church.
Why aren't you struck by the similarities in behavior of predator priests and presidents?Jack and DP said:
Count on our local leaders liberals to sidetrack an important topic. This has nothing to do with presidents and everything to do with the Church.
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The major difference of course being, Presidents, go after primarily grown women, and Priests after little kids.cinque said:Why aren't you struck by the similarities in behavior of predator priests and presidents?Jack and DP said:
Count on our local leaders liberals to sidetrack an important topic. This has nothing to do with presidents and everything to do with the Church.
So that is a big difference.
So it's OK for presidents to go after grown women?Forest Bueller said:The major difference of course being, Presidents, go after primarily grown women, and Priests after little kids.cinque said:Why aren't you struck by the similarities in behavior of predator priests and presidents?Jack and DP said:
Count on our local leaders liberals to sidetrack an important topic. This has nothing to do with presidents and everything to do with the Church.
So that is a big difference.
Trump is the Edwin Edwards of today; he won't face consequences for his sexual misdeeds unless he's found with a dead prostitute or a live boy.
The Catholic Church's response to some victims who reported the abuse when it happened reminds me of the response Rob Porter's first wife described she got from Mormon church leaders when she reported that he was physically abusing her: that she should "Keep in mind: Rob has career ambitions."
Most of the rest of us voted for Hillary.Loaded4Bear said:Jinx 2 said:Even more hiliarious to see the total lack of it from the evangelical right, includng lots of people who blame Hillary for sticking by a serial adulterer but admire Melanie for _____ (whatever she does).Loaded4Bear said:Jinx 2 said:If you think Bill Clinton was so morally reprehensible, then why did you vote for a candidate who did exactly the same thing?Loaded4Bear said:cinque said:
The RCC model is flawed and continues to be exposed as the one constant that will ultimately be the church's undoing. An exclusively male, ostensibly celibate fraternity which discourages healthy relationships with and input from women will fail of its own weight.
But before too many of you post in outrage about the evils of the RCC and its gullible members, consider that credible allegations of sexual assault and predation did not keep you from voting for Donald Trump.
Something's wrong.
I did not vote for Bill but he was my President. Being a dirtbag that cheats on his wife is not against the law nor grounds for removal of a President. Bill set the bar. Hilarious to see the Moral outrage coming from the Left.
Not that the Right ever had a valid claim to moral superiority (Newt Gingrich, Mark Foley, Dennis Hastert). But whatever moral authority or superiority they claimed and sold to evangelical Christians like a used car with a shiny new body covering an engine that starts leaking oil like a sieve right after you drive it off the lot is now in the gutter with Trump.
Evangelical Christians voted like most of the rest of us did. They voted for the lesser of two evils of two vile candidates.
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Jinx 2 said:So it's OK for presidents to go after grown women?Forest Bueller said:The major difference of course being, Presidents, go after primarily grown women, and Priests after little kids.cinque said:Why aren't you struck by the similarities in behavior of predator priests and presidents?Jack and DP said:
Count on our local leaders liberals to sidetrack an important topic. This has nothing to do with presidents and everything to do with the Church.
So that is a big difference.
Trump is the Edwin Edwards of today; he won't face consequences for his sexual misdeeds unless he's found with a dead prostitute or a live boy.
The Catholic Church's response to some victims who reported the abuse when it happened reminds me of the response Rob Porter's first wife described she got from Mormon church leaders when she reported that he was physically abusing her: that she should "Keep in mind: Rob has career ambitions."
Of course it is not ok, but a man taking advantage of a 7 year old girl or boy is an unimaginable evil.
It is also unimaginable for anybody to sexually assault you, regardless of age.Forest Bueller said:Jinx 2 said:So it's OK for presidents to go after grown women?Forest Bueller said:The major difference of course being, Presidents, go after primarily grown women, and Priests after little kids.cinque said:Why aren't you struck by the similarities in behavior of predator priests and presidents?Jack and DP said:
Count on our local leaders liberals to sidetrack an important topic. This has nothing to do with presidents and everything to do with the Church.
So that is a big difference.
Trump is the Edwin Edwards of today; he won't face consequences for his sexual misdeeds unless he's found with a dead prostitute or a live boy.
The Catholic Church's response to some victims who reported the abuse when it happened reminds me of the response Rob Porter's first wife described she got from Mormon church leaders when she reported that he was physically abusing her: that she should "Keep in mind: Rob has career ambitions."
Of course it is not ok, but a man taking advantage of a 7 year old girl or boy is an unimaginable evil.
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