Trump Plans National Emergency to Build Border Wall

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Osodecentx
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This is a mistake. It sets a precedent for Trump's successors to do things without Congress. I believe we need a wall, but this is wrong

Remember Harry Reid changing the rules?


Trump Plans National Emergency to Build Border Wall as Senate Passes Spending Bill

WASHINGTON President Trump plans to declare a national emergency so he can bypass Congress and build his long-promised wall along the border even as he signs a spending bill that does not fund it, the White House said Thursday.
The announcement of his decision came just minutes before the Senate voted 82-16 to advance the spending package in anticipation of final passage on Thursday night by the House.
Mr. Trump's decision to sign it effectively ends a two-month war of attrition between the president and Congress that closed much of the federal government for 35 days and left it facing a second shutdown as early as Friday, but it could instigate a new constitutional clash over who controls the federal purse.
"President Trump will sign the government funding bill, and as he has stated before, he will also take other executive action including a national emergency to ensure we stop the national security and humanitarian crisis at the border," said Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/us/politics/trump-national-emergency-border.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage


EatMoreSalmon
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Maybe this will get Congress to quit abdicating their power to the bureaucracy. Or not.
Canada2017
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Agreed

This would be a mistake.
Osodecentx
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Under Article I of the Constitution, Congress has the power to appropriate funds. "No money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law."
Midnight Rider
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Wow. Just think, with this precedent, what future Dem Presidents can do citing a "National Emergency"!

We need Medicare for all! Our health care system is a national emergency!

We need a Green New Deal! The threat to our environment is a national emergency!

Oh, the possibilities!
BaylorBJM
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Midnight Rider said:

Wow. Just think, with this precedent, what future Dem Presidents can do citing a "National Emergency"!

We need Medicare for all! Our health care system is a national emergency!

We need a Green New Deal! The threat to our environment is a national emergency!

Oh, the possibilities!
Yep. This is not a national emergency.

It's a political one.
cinque
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Midnight Rider said:

Wow. Just think, with this precedent, what future Dem Presidents can do citing a "National Emergency"!

We need Medicare for all! Our health care system is a national emergency!

We need a Green New Deal! The threat to our environment is a national emergency!

Oh, the possibilities!
Don't forget sensible gun legislation and climate change.
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Doc Holliday
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Are you sure his successor didn't set that precedent lol?
DioNoZeus
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Doc Holliday said:

Are you sure his successor didn't set that precedent lol?
Does it really matter? This decision is dumb.
Doc Holliday
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DioNoZeus said:

Doc Holliday said:

Are you sure his successor didn't set that precedent lol?
Does it really matter? This decision is dumb.
It's the only option if congress can't represent their constituents.

Plus we got el chapo's 14 billion back so technically Mexican cartels paid for it lmao
DioNoZeus
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Doc Holliday said:

DioNoZeus said:

Doc Holliday said:

Are you sure his successor didn't set that precedent lol?
Does it really matter? This decision is dumb.
It's the only option if congress can't represent their constituents.

Plus we got el chapo's 14 billion back so technically Mexican cartels paid for it lmao
Sounds like Congress is representing its constituents

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/423709-poll-shows-americans-are-split-on-feelings-toward-border-wall%3famp
YoakDaddy
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I'm a Trump supporter in general and this is a bad idea. Not only does it set bad precedent, but there's only 1 profane word among land owners...eminent domain.
Midnight Rider
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Doc Holliday said:



Plus we got el chapo's 14 billion back so technically Mexican cartels paid for it lmao
Huh? When was that money deposited into the U.S. Treasury?
corncob pipe
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shhhhhh

it's a great talking point
Doc Holliday
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2000+ illegals cross the border at a cost of $70,000 each every single day.

IMO it's an emergency.
Doc Holliday
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Midnight Rider said:

Doc Holliday said:



Plus we got el chapo's 14 billion back so technically Mexican cartels paid for it lmao
Huh? When was that money deposited into the U.S. Treasury?
It was meant to be funny, I'm not being serious.

Hopefully the following scenario works:

He is already building, that won't stop. They will go to court, but his is legally correct. They hate him so much they will change the laws that allow him to act. There will be no 'next dem Pres that can declare an emergency for climate, etc. Trump gets another big win for the country by handing more power back to the people.
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Quote:

For his part, Trump has thus far declared three national emergencies during his tenure, CNN reported. One centers on creating penalties for individuals around the world who are involved in human rights abuses. Another penalizes individuals involved in perpetuating violence in Nicaragua. And another imposes sanctions on foreign entities who seek to interfere in American elections.
[url=https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/][/url]

Obama declared 13 times while in office.

In almost all cases they are not an actual "National Emergency" though you could argue foreign entities interfering with elections is, but something the President feels strongly about and wants it to be pushed through.


I think this use would be a mistake, it is however his prerogative.
PartyBear
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This is an accelerant on the blueing of Texas. The party of Texas ranch land confiscation is not going be go over well. The diminishing rural vote is the only thing keeping Texas from tipping. Cornyn understands this. Hence why he was pleading the Trump not to do it.
Forest Bueller
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PartyBear said:

This is an accelerant on the blueing of Texas. The party of Texas ranch land confiscation is not going be go over well. The diminishing rural vote is the only thing keeping Texas from tipping. Cornyn understands this. Hence why he was pleading the Trump not to do it.
Once Texas goes blue, with the ELECTORAL COLLEGE setup, Republicans will never win the presidency.

Then Dems would be loving the electoral college.
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YoakDaddy said:

I'm a Trump supporter in general and this is a bad idea. Not only does it set bad precedent, but there's only 1 profane word among land owners...eminent domain.



Not if the price is right....I promise you.
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YoakDaddy said:

I'm a Trump supporter in general and this is a bad idea. Not only does it set bad precedent, but there's only 1 profane word among land owners...eminent domain.
Agree with Yoak. I support Trump but think this would set a bad precedent. Hope he goes ahead and declares the national emergency and the courts shoot him down. That way, the Dems can declare victory and Trump can claim he did all that was within his power to get it done. Then we get to go through two more years of not getting a damned thing done in Washington. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Edmond Bear
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Doc Holliday said:

DioNoZeus said:

Doc Holliday said:

Are you sure his successor didn't set that precedent lol?
Does it really matter? This decision is dumb.
It's the only option if congress can't represent their constituents.

Plus we got el chapo's 14 billion back so technically Mexican cartels paid for it lmao


Disagree. This is a terrible idea. If you can't get your stuff passed then work to get the people you need in Congress or learn to negotiate better.

Doc Holliday
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Edmond Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

DioNoZeus said:

Doc Holliday said:

Are you sure his successor didn't set that precedent lol?
Does it really matter? This decision is dumb.
It's the only option if congress can't represent their constituents.

Plus we got el chapo's 14 billion back so technically Mexican cartels paid for it lmao


Disagree. This is a terrible idea. If you can't get your stuff passed then work to get the people you need in Congress or learn to negotiate better.


There is no negotiating with two parties that both make money by perpetuating illegal immigration.
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Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

Repubs must not allow Pres Obama to subvert the Constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ Congress.

8:36 AM Nov 20, 2014 Twitter Web Client

Limited IQ Redneck in PU
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Lying no longer matters and these repubs will always say the end justifies the means. The majority of American voters voted against the wall candidate but that doesnt matter.
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Living fast or dying slow.
I dont want to live forever.
But I will live while I'm here.
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

Lying no longer matters and these repubs will always say the end justifies the means. The majority of American voters voted against the wall candidate but that doesnt matter.


True. But, you could replace Repubs with Dems and it would also be true.

Mitch Blood Green
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Canada2017 said:

YoakDaddy said:

I'm a Trump supporter in general and this is a bad idea. Not only does it set bad precedent, but there's only 1 profane word among land owners...eminent domain.



Not if the price is right....I promise you.


Some things don't have a price.
Mitch Blood Green
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Trump is banking on otherwise good dudes making an excuse and justifying his actions for politics.

We are 48 hours away from many here telling us how right this wrong is. Or telling us, "yeah, but".
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#SwainTheDramp

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Forest Bueller said:

PartyBear said:

This is an accelerant on the blueing of Texas. The party of Texas ranch land confiscation is not going be go over well. The diminishing rural vote is the only thing keeping Texas from tipping. Cornyn understands this. Hence why he was pleading the Trump not to do it.
Once Texas goes blue, with the ELECTORAL COLLEGE setup, Republicans will never win the presidency.

Then Dems would be loving the electoral college.

Nothing is ever permanent. Typically, parties are kicked out of office not so much because the other party is so good, but because the ones in office have screwed up to the point where voters just want a change....kick the bums out. Reps and Dems over my lifetime have been both the victims and recipients of this. Politicians are too blinded by power and money and waste too much of their efforts on themselves or they roll out the same old agendas that have been proven not to work in the past. There are really not a lot of bright light bulbs running and winning elections. At some point, the public has enough and votes them out, doesn't matter what their party may be. It won't be any different in the future.
Doc Holliday
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Everybody forgot the 8 years Obama was in office already? When he said he couldn't write immigration law himself, then proceeded to do exactly that with DACA?

Politics. Both sides do it.

But there's a lot most people don't know:
Trump ok'd a 115 Mile Bollard Barrier in Texas.
Because he's been cleared as having the LEGAL AUTHORITY to do it. He's also signed off on 100's more Miles in NM & AZ with ZERO input from Congress.

Have you heard any of that?
Probably not.

Well, if Trump is already building the Wall, why is he doing this? Trump gave THE "REPRESENTATIVES" of the People every chance to do their jobs=they won't.

He's leaving FUTURE Americans & History no doubt whatsoever he tried to do this through the System & it failed.

And the real technology will devastate the Democrats:
https://fox5sandiego.com/2018/12/19/border-patrols-new-mobile-surveillance-system-can-see-for-miles
settegast
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On 20 nov 2014 donald tweeted:
"Repubs must not allow pres obama to subvert the constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ congress"
This was posted in response to obama dealings with illegal immigration.
Karma is a mother
Mitch Blood Green
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Doc Holliday said:

Everybody forgot the 8 years Obama was in office already? When he said he couldn't write immigration law himself, then proceeded to do exactly that with DACA?

Politics. Both sides do it.

But there's a lot most people don't know:
Trump ok'd a 115 Mile Bollard Barrier in Texas.
Because he's been cleared as having the LEGAL AUTHORITY to do it. He's also signed off on 100's more Miles in NM & AZ with ZERO input from Congress.

Have you heard any of that?
Probably not.

Well, if Trump is already building the Wall, why is he doing this? Trump gave THE "REPRESENTATIVES" of the People every chance to do their jobs=they won't.

He's leaving FUTURE Americans & History no doubt whatsoever he tried to do this through the System & it failed.

And the real technology will devastate the Democrats:
https://fox5sandiego.com/2018/12/19/border-patrols-new-mobile-surveillance-system-can-see-for-miles


"They do it" is the cop out for those who claim to stand for something.

Trump could drop a duece in front of you. You can see him do it. There can be video evidence and eye witnesses and Melania can identify his small hands along with DNA verification.

He can say it wasn't him.

You'd believe him over Melania and your eyes and the DNA.

"The leftist uses a hologram and ass double".
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settegast said:

On 20 nov 2014 donald tweeted:
"Repubs must not allow pres obama to subvert the constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ congress"
This was posted in response to obama dealings with illegal immigration.
Karma is a mother
The beauty of his dysfunction is there is a tweet of his somewhere out there to rebut everything he says.
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Edmond Bear said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

Lying no longer matters and these repubs will always say the end justifies the means. The majority of American voters voted against the wall candidate but that doesnt matter.


True. But, you could replace Repubs with Dems and it would also be true.


Yes, except for the majority of voters part.
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Living fast or dying slow.
I dont want to live forever.
But I will live while I'm here.
 
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