15-20 you 2 guess?

I'd guess just 1-2 years after next democrat is president with democrat congress

That's possibly early as 2022-23 or '26-27 imo

May not be permanent then but it'll get bad fast and they'll try to make it permanent and it could be

Booray said:

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Deficits fall when Democrats are in the White House. Deficits rise when Republicans are in the White House, It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

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Compare federal budgets from the mid 60's to today.

Increases in social services have skyrocketed. And with services extended to more illegals by the tens of thousands every month .....

we are either going to have to pay more in taxes or cut defense spending .

Booray said:

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It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

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Republicans have indeed decided that deficits don't matter.

Booray said:

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Deficits fall when Democrats are in the White House. Deficits rise when Republicans are in the White House, It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

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Didn't fall when Obama was in the white house.

Osodecentx said:

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Booray said:

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It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

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Republicans have indeed decided that deficits don't matter.

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It needs addressed

This allows the draining of money to be constantly completely open

We need to stop our politicians, both sides, from bankrupting our country

Media isn't allowing us to see what's happening in France because it'll make us wanna do same and politicians fear that!

Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Deficits fall when Democrats are in the White House. Deficits rise when Republicans are in the White House, It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

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Didn't fall when Obama was in the white house.

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Yes it did. By quite a bit.

"Deficit " is not the same as "debt."

Canada2017 said:

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Booray said:

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Deficits fall when Democrats are in the White House. Deficits rise when Republicans are in the White House, It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

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Compare federal budgets from the mid 60's to today.

Increases in social services have skyrocketed. And with services extended to more illegals by the tens of thousands every month .....

we are either going to have to pay more in taxes or cut defense spending .

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Compare them to 2000. We had a balanced budget or something close to it less than two decades ago. The biggest increase in entitlements since then was Medicare Part D.

Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Deficits fall when Democrats are in the White House. Deficits rise when Republicans are in the White House, It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

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Didn't fall when Obama was in the white house.

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Yes it did. By quite a bit.

"Deficit " is not the same as "debt."

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Now this is certainly debatable!

Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Deficits fall when Democrats are in the White House. Deficits rise when Republicans are in the White House, It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

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Didn't fall when Obama was in the white house.

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Yes it did. By quite a bit.

"Deficit " is not the same as "debt."

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The first deficit that occurred after President Trump took office was due to Obama's last budget. It's misleading to hold any president completely accountable for the deficit incurred during the first year. Most of that deficit rightfully belongs to the previous president since he created the budget.

If you add just the deficits created by president Obama's specific initiatives, we're looking at a debt contribution of $983 billion.

The reason we have such a large national debt of 23+ trillion is because Bush and Obama nearly spent the same for war.

The deficits from all of Obama's budgets total $6.785 trillion. But, like most presidents, Obama's contribution to the debt was higher. There's a difference between the deficit and the debt by president. All presidents can employ sleight of hand to reduce the appearance of the deficit. They can borrow from federal retirement funds for example.

Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Deficits fall when Democrats are in the White House. Deficits rise when Republicans are in the White House, It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

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Didn't fall when Obama was in the white house.

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Yes it did. By quite a bit.

"Deficit " is not the same as "debt."

---

The first deficit that occurred after President Trump took office was due to Obama's last budget. It's misleading to hold any president completely accountable for the deficit incurred during the first year. Most of that deficit rightfully belongs to the previous president since he created the budget.

If you add just the deficits created by president Obama's specific initiatives, we're looking at a debt contribution of $983 billion.

The reason we have such a large national debt of 23+ trillion is because Bush and Obama nearly spent the same for war.

The deficits from all of Obama's budgets total $6.785 trillion. But, like most presidents, Obama's contribution to the debt was higher. There's a difference between the deficit and the debt by president. All presidents can employ sleight of hand to reduce the appearance of the deficit. They can borrow from federal retirement funds for example.

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Your link goes to a different page than what you quote. Here's what your site says:

List of Presidents' Budget Deficits by Fiscal Year
"President Donald Trump: Total Actual plus Budgeted = $4.040 trillion, a 20 percent increase. That's one reason why so many argue that Trump may not be better than Obama for the economy. Trump did not have to fight a recession during his term. It's usually better to have contractionary fiscal policy during an expansion instead of adding to the nation's debt.

• FY 2021 - $1.068 trillion.
• FY 2020 - $1.101 trillion.
• FY 2019 - $1.092 trillion.
• FY 2018 - $779 billion.

President Barack Obama: Total = $6.785 trillion, a 57 percent increase.

• FY 2017 - $666 billion. Although Trump requested additional spending, Congress did not approve it.
• FY 2016 - $585 billion.
• FY 2015 - $438 billion.
• FY 2014 - $485 billion.
• FY 2013 - $679 billion.
• FY 2012 - $1.087 trillion.
• FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion.
• FY 2010 - $1.547 trillion. This is the sum of $1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget."

As Booray noted, Obama reduced the annual deficits. In a recession. Says your cited website.

Hoisted by his petard.

Just kidding. I didnt study the numbers.

is either presidents' monetary policy good in the long run?

quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Deficits fall when Democrats are in the White House. Deficits rise when Republicans are in the White House, It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

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Didn't fall when Obama was in the white house.

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Yes it did. By quite a bit.

"Deficit " is not the same as "debt."

---

The first deficit that occurred after President Trump took office was due to Obama's last budget. It's misleading to hold any president completely accountable for the deficit incurred during the first year. Most of that deficit rightfully belongs to the previous president since he created the budget.

If you add just the deficits created by president Obama's specific initiatives, we're looking at a debt contribution of $983 billion.

The reason we have such a large national debt of 23+ trillion is because Bush and Obama nearly spent the same for war.

The deficits from all of Obama's budgets total $6.785 trillion. But, like most presidents, Obama's contribution to the debt was higher. There's a difference between the deficit and the debt by president. All presidents can employ sleight of hand to reduce the appearance of the deficit. They can borrow from federal retirement funds for example.

---

Your link goes to a different page than what you quote. Here's what your site says:

List of Presidents' Budget Deficits by Fiscal Year
"President Donald Trump: Total Actual plus Budgeted = $4.040 trillion, a 20 percent increase. That's one reason why so many argue that Trump may not be better than Obama for the economy. Trump did not have to fight a recession during his term. It's usually better to have contractionary fiscal policy during an expansion instead of adding to the nation's debt.

• FY 2021 - $1.068 trillion.
• FY 2020 - $1.101 trillion.
• FY 2019 - $1.092 trillion.
• FY 2018 - $779 billion.

President Barack Obama: Total = $6.785 trillion, a 57 percent increase.

• FY 2017 - $666 billion. Although Trump requested additional spending, Congress did not approve it.
• FY 2016 - $585 billion.
• FY 2015 - $438 billion.
• FY 2014 - $485 billion.
• FY 2013 - $679 billion.
• FY 2012 - $1.087 trillion.
• FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion.
• FY 2010 - $1.547 trillion. This is the sum of $1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget."

As Booray noted, Obama reduced the annual deficits. In a recession. Says your cited website.

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Jobs + Trillions gained in the market. Surely that counts for something?

When did you become an advocate for increased taxes/government?

Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Deficits fall when Democrats are in the White House. Deficits rise when Republicans are in the White House, It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

---

Didn't fall when Obama was in the white house.

---

Yes it did. By quite a bit.

"Deficit " is not the same as "debt."

---

The first deficit that occurred after President Trump took office was due to Obama's last budget. It's misleading to hold any president completely accountable for the deficit incurred during the first year. Most of that deficit rightfully belongs to the previous president since he created the budget.

If you add just the deficits created by president Obama's specific initiatives, we're looking at a debt contribution of $983 billion.

The reason we have such a large national debt of 23+ trillion is because Bush and Obama nearly spent the same for war.

The deficits from all of Obama's budgets total $6.785 trillion. But, like most presidents, Obama's contribution to the debt was higher. There's a difference between the deficit and the debt by president. All presidents can employ sleight of hand to reduce the appearance of the deficit. They can borrow from federal retirement funds for example.

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Your link goes to a different page than what you quote. Here's what your site says:

List of Presidents' Budget Deficits by Fiscal Year
"President Donald Trump: Total Actual plus Budgeted = $4.040 trillion, a 20 percent increase. That's one reason why so many argue that Trump may not be better than Obama for the economy. Trump did not have to fight a recession during his term. It's usually better to have contractionary fiscal policy during an expansion instead of adding to the nation's debt.

• FY 2021 - $1.068 trillion.
• FY 2020 - $1.101 trillion.
• FY 2019 - $1.092 trillion.
• FY 2018 - $779 billion.

President Barack Obama: Total = $6.785 trillion, a 57 percent increase.

• FY 2017 - $666 billion. Although Trump requested additional spending, Congress did not approve it.
• FY 2016 - $585 billion.
• FY 2015 - $438 billion.
• FY 2014 - $485 billion.
• FY 2013 - $679 billion.
• FY 2012 - $1.087 trillion.
• FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion.
• FY 2010 - $1.547 trillion. This is the sum of $1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget."

As Booray noted, Obama reduced the annual deficits. In a recession. Says your cited website.

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Jobs + Trillions gained in the market. Surely that counts for something?

When did you become an advocate for increased taxes/government?

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It does, but that's not the subject at hand.

Advocating for accuracy, not taxes. You should try it.

quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Deficits fall when Democrats are in the White House. Deficits rise when Republicans are in the White House, It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

---

Didn't fall when Obama was in the white house.

---

Yes it did. By quite a bit.

"Deficit " is not the same as "debt."

---

The first deficit that occurred after President Trump took office was due to Obama's last budget. It's misleading to hold any president completely accountable for the deficit incurred during the first year. Most of that deficit rightfully belongs to the previous president since he created the budget.

If you add just the deficits created by president Obama's specific initiatives, we're looking at a debt contribution of $983 billion.

The reason we have such a large national debt of 23+ trillion is because Bush and Obama nearly spent the same for war.

The deficits from all of Obama's budgets total $6.785 trillion. But, like most presidents, Obama's contribution to the debt was higher. There's a difference between the deficit and the debt by president. All presidents can employ sleight of hand to reduce the appearance of the deficit. They can borrow from federal retirement funds for example.

---

Your link goes to a different page than what you quote. Here's what your site says:

List of Presidents' Budget Deficits by Fiscal Year
"President Donald Trump: Total Actual plus Budgeted = $4.040 trillion, a 20 percent increase. That's one reason why so many argue that Trump may not be better than Obama for the economy. Trump did not have to fight a recession during his term. It's usually better to have contractionary fiscal policy during an expansion instead of adding to the nation's debt.

• FY 2021 - $1.068 trillion.
• FY 2020 - $1.101 trillion.
• FY 2019 - $1.092 trillion.
• FY 2018 - $779 billion.

President Barack Obama: Total = $6.785 trillion, a 57 percent increase.

• FY 2017 - $666 billion. Although Trump requested additional spending, Congress did not approve it.
• FY 2016 - $585 billion.
• FY 2015 - $438 billion.
• FY 2014 - $485 billion.
• FY 2013 - $679 billion.
• FY 2012 - $1.087 trillion.
• FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion.
• FY 2010 - $1.547 trillion. This is the sum of $1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget."

As Booray noted, Obama reduced the annual deficits. In a recession. Says your cited website.

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Jobs + Trillions gained in the market. Surely that counts for something?

When did you become an advocate for increased taxes/government?

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It does, but that's not the subject at hand.

Advocating for accuracy, not taxes. You should try it.

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Everything you advocate makes my life harder, diminishes my freedoms and makes me have to pay more money.

Don't tread on me.

Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Deficits fall when Democrats are in the White House. Deficits rise when Republicans are in the White House, It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

---

Didn't fall when Obama was in the white house.

---

Yes it did. By quite a bit.

"Deficit " is not the same as "debt."

---

The first deficit that occurred after President Trump took office was due to Obama's last budget. It's misleading to hold any president completely accountable for the deficit incurred during the first year. Most of that deficit rightfully belongs to the previous president since he created the budget.

If you add just the deficits created by president Obama's specific initiatives, we're looking at a debt contribution of $983 billion.

The reason we have such a large national debt of 23+ trillion is because Bush and Obama nearly spent the same for war.

The deficits from all of Obama's budgets total $6.785 trillion. But, like most presidents, Obama's contribution to the debt was higher. There's a difference between the deficit and the debt by president. All presidents can employ sleight of hand to reduce the appearance of the deficit. They can borrow from federal retirement funds for example.

---

Your link goes to a different page than what you quote. Here's what your site says:

List of Presidents' Budget Deficits by Fiscal Year
"President Donald Trump: Total Actual plus Budgeted = $4.040 trillion, a 20 percent increase. That's one reason why so many argue that Trump may not be better than Obama for the economy. Trump did not have to fight a recession during his term. It's usually better to have contractionary fiscal policy during an expansion instead of adding to the nation's debt.

• FY 2021 - $1.068 trillion.
• FY 2020 - $1.101 trillion.
• FY 2019 - $1.092 trillion.
• FY 2018 - $779 billion.

President Barack Obama: Total = $6.785 trillion, a 57 percent increase.

• FY 2017 - $666 billion. Although Trump requested additional spending, Congress did not approve it.
• FY 2016 - $585 billion.
• FY 2015 - $438 billion.
• FY 2014 - $485 billion.
• FY 2013 - $679 billion.
• FY 2012 - $1.087 trillion.
• FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion.
• FY 2010 - $1.547 trillion. This is the sum of $1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget."

As Booray noted, Obama reduced the annual deficits. In a recession. Says your cited website.

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Jobs + Trillions gained in the market. Surely that counts for something?

When did you become an advocate for increased taxes/government?

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It does, but that's not the subject at hand.

Advocating for accuracy, not taxes. You should try it.

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Everything you advocate makes my life harder, diminishes my freedoms and makes me have to pay more money.

Don't tread on me.

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For example? I think you and your husband should be able to open carry in your marijuana field. Why does that cost you money?

quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Deficits fall when Democrats are in the White House. Deficits rise when Republicans are in the White House, It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

---

Didn't fall when Obama was in the white house.

---

Yes it did. By quite a bit.

"Deficit " is not the same as "debt."

---

The first deficit that occurred after President Trump took office was due to Obama's last budget. It's misleading to hold any president completely accountable for the deficit incurred during the first year. Most of that deficit rightfully belongs to the previous president since he created the budget.

If you add just the deficits created by president Obama's specific initiatives, we're looking at a debt contribution of $983 billion.

The reason we have such a large national debt of 23+ trillion is because Bush and Obama nearly spent the same for war.

The deficits from all of Obama's budgets total $6.785 trillion. But, like most presidents, Obama's contribution to the debt was higher. There's a difference between the deficit and the debt by president. All presidents can employ sleight of hand to reduce the appearance of the deficit. They can borrow from federal retirement funds for example.

---

Your link goes to a different page than what you quote. Here's what your site says:

List of Presidents' Budget Deficits by Fiscal Year
"President Donald Trump: Total Actual plus Budgeted = $4.040 trillion, a 20 percent increase. That's one reason why so many argue that Trump may not be better than Obama for the economy. Trump did not have to fight a recession during his term. It's usually better to have contractionary fiscal policy during an expansion instead of adding to the nation's debt.

• FY 2021 - $1.068 trillion.
• FY 2020 - $1.101 trillion.
• FY 2019 - $1.092 trillion.
• FY 2018 - $779 billion.

President Barack Obama: Total = $6.785 trillion, a 57 percent increase.

• FY 2017 - $666 billion. Although Trump requested additional spending, Congress did not approve it.
• FY 2016 - $585 billion.
• FY 2015 - $438 billion.
• FY 2014 - $485 billion.
• FY 2013 - $679 billion.
• FY 2012 - $1.087 trillion.
• FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion.
• FY 2010 - $1.547 trillion. This is the sum of $1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget."

As Booray noted, Obama reduced the annual deficits. In a recession. Says your cited website.

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Jobs + Trillions gained in the market. Surely that counts for something?

When did you become an advocate for increased taxes/government?

---

It does, but that's not the subject at hand.

Advocating for accuracy, not taxes. You should try it.

---

Everything you advocate makes my life harder, diminishes my freedoms and makes me have to pay more money.

Don't tread on me.

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For example?

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Increased taxes. Mass immigration. Bigger government.

You support all three.

You never ask the government to be frugal. You ask the citizen to kneel and obey.

Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Deficits fall when Democrats are in the White House. Deficits rise when Republicans are in the White House, It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

---

Didn't fall when Obama was in the white house.

---

Yes it did. By quite a bit.

"Deficit " is not the same as "debt."

---

The first deficit that occurred after President Trump took office was due to Obama's last budget. It's misleading to hold any president completely accountable for the deficit incurred during the first year. Most of that deficit rightfully belongs to the previous president since he created the budget.

If you add just the deficits created by president Obama's specific initiatives, we're looking at a debt contribution of $983 billion.

The reason we have such a large national debt of 23+ trillion is because Bush and Obama nearly spent the same for war.

The deficits from all of Obama's budgets total $6.785 trillion. But, like most presidents, Obama's contribution to the debt was higher. There's a difference between the deficit and the debt by president. All presidents can employ sleight of hand to reduce the appearance of the deficit. They can borrow from federal retirement funds for example.

---

Your link goes to a different page than what you quote. Here's what your site says:

List of Presidents' Budget Deficits by Fiscal Year
"President Donald Trump: Total Actual plus Budgeted = $4.040 trillion, a 20 percent increase. That's one reason why so many argue that Trump may not be better than Obama for the economy. Trump did not have to fight a recession during his term. It's usually better to have contractionary fiscal policy during an expansion instead of adding to the nation's debt.

• FY 2021 - $1.068 trillion.
• FY 2020 - $1.101 trillion.
• FY 2019 - $1.092 trillion.
• FY 2018 - $779 billion.

President Barack Obama: Total = $6.785 trillion, a 57 percent increase.

• FY 2017 - $666 billion. Although Trump requested additional spending, Congress did not approve it.
• FY 2016 - $585 billion.
• FY 2015 - $438 billion.
• FY 2014 - $485 billion.
• FY 2013 - $679 billion.
• FY 2012 - $1.087 trillion.
• FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion.
• FY 2010 - $1.547 trillion. This is the sum of $1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget."

As Booray noted, Obama reduced the annual deficits. In a recession. Says your cited website.

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Jobs + Trillions gained in the market. Surely that counts for something?

When did you become an advocate for increased taxes/government?

---

It does, but that's not the subject at hand.

Advocating for accuracy, not taxes. You should try it.

---

Everything you advocate makes my life harder, diminishes my freedoms and makes me have to pay more money.

Don't tread on me.

---

For example?

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Increased taxes. Mass immigration. Bigger government.

You support all three.

You never ask the government to be frugal. You ask the citizen to kneel and obey.

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Yer delirious. Taxation is theft. Immigration reform would allow the market to control immigration, not the govt.

I oppose Trumpcare, prescription drug coverage, the drug war, the warfare state, minimum wage, city owned bikes and hotels, USA PATRIOT Act, gun control, AUMF, domestic spying, professional licensing, drone attacks, enhanced interrogation, signing statements, federally guaranteed student loans, speech codes, victimless crimes, tariffs, rent controls, subsidies, TIFFs, requiring union membership to get a govt position, bailouts.

Off the top of my head.

quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Deficits fall when Democrats are in the White House. Deficits rise when Republicans are in the White House, It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

---

Didn't fall when Obama was in the white house.

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Yes it did. By quite a bit.

"Deficit " is not the same as "debt."

---

The first deficit that occurred after President Trump took office was due to Obama's last budget. It's misleading to hold any president completely accountable for the deficit incurred during the first year. Most of that deficit rightfully belongs to the previous president since he created the budget.

If you add just the deficits created by president Obama's specific initiatives, we're looking at a debt contribution of $983 billion.

The reason we have such a large national debt of 23+ trillion is because Bush and Obama nearly spent the same for war.

The deficits from all of Obama's budgets total $6.785 trillion. But, like most presidents, Obama's contribution to the debt was higher. There's a difference between the deficit and the debt by president. All presidents can employ sleight of hand to reduce the appearance of the deficit. They can borrow from federal retirement funds for example.

---

Your link goes to a different page than what you quote. Here's what your site says:

List of Presidents' Budget Deficits by Fiscal Year
"President Donald Trump: Total Actual plus Budgeted = $4.040 trillion, a 20 percent increase. That's one reason why so many argue that Trump may not be better than Obama for the economy. Trump did not have to fight a recession during his term. It's usually better to have contractionary fiscal policy during an expansion instead of adding to the nation's debt.

• FY 2021 - $1.068 trillion.
• FY 2020 - $1.101 trillion.
• FY 2019 - $1.092 trillion.
• FY 2018 - $779 billion.

President Barack Obama: Total = $6.785 trillion, a 57 percent increase.

• FY 2017 - $666 billion. Although Trump requested additional spending, Congress did not approve it.
• FY 2016 - $585 billion.
• FY 2015 - $438 billion.
• FY 2014 - $485 billion.
• FY 2013 - $679 billion.
• FY 2012 - $1.087 trillion.
• FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion.
• FY 2010 - $1.547 trillion. This is the sum of $1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget."

As Booray noted, Obama reduced the annual deficits. In a recession. Says your cited website.

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Jobs + Trillions gained in the market. Surely that counts for something?

When did you become an advocate for increased taxes/government?

---

It does, but that's not the subject at hand.

Advocating for accuracy, not taxes. You should try it.

---

Everything you advocate makes my life harder, diminishes my freedoms and makes me have to pay more money.

Don't tread on me.

---

For example?

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Increased taxes. Mass immigration. Bigger government.

You support all three.

You never ask the government to be frugal. You ask the citizen to kneel and obey.

---

Yer delirious. Taxation is theft. Immigration reform would allow the market to control immigration, not the govt.

I oppose Trumpcare, prescription drug coverage, the drug war, the warfare state, minimum wage, city owned bikes and hotels, USA PATRIOT Act, gun control, AUMF, domestic spying, professional licensing, drone attacks, enhanced interrogation, signing statements, federally guaranteed student loans, speech codes, victimless crimes, tariffs, rent controls, subsidies, TIFFs, requiring union membership to get a govt position, bailouts.

Off the top of my head.

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All those things the left advocates heavily for.

Why are you not fighting against the left?!

You're so worried about Trump...while we have Democrats advocating for extreme expansions of the government and they could easily gain power soon.

Like what are you doing?

You don't have to agree with conservatives, but DAMN, know your enemy for once man!

I don't think I have heard your opinion on Democrats...ever.

Damn it Quash, tow the line. If you arent for it you are against it. I have not heard you say anything negative against mooslims or catholics lately. You must have converted. Hurry up and thrown in a "Obama sucks" or "HRC is a witch" so people can understand you. This nonsense about facts will not be a hit here.

quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Booray said:

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Deficits fall when Democrats are in the White House. Deficits rise when Republicans are in the White House, It is almost as if Republicans adopted the strategy of "deficits don't matter."

---

Didn't fall when Obama was in the white house.

---

Yes it did. By quite a bit.

"Deficit " is not the same as "debt."

---

The first deficit that occurred after President Trump took office was due to Obama's last budget. It's misleading to hold any president completely accountable for the deficit incurred during the first year. Most of that deficit rightfully belongs to the previous president since he created the budget.

If you add just the deficits created by president Obama's specific initiatives, we're looking at a debt contribution of $983 billion.

The reason we have such a large national debt of 23+ trillion is because Bush and Obama nearly spent the same for war.

The deficits from all of Obama's budgets total $6.785 trillion. But, like most presidents, Obama's contribution to the debt was higher. There's a difference between the deficit and the debt by president. All presidents can employ sleight of hand to reduce the appearance of the deficit. They can borrow from federal retirement funds for example.

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Your link goes to a different page than what you quote. Here's what your site says:

List of Presidents' Budget Deficits by Fiscal Year
"President Donald Trump: Total Actual plus Budgeted = $4.040 trillion, a 20 percent increase. That's one reason why so many argue that Trump may not be better than Obama for the economy. Trump did not have to fight a recession during his term. It's usually better to have contractionary fiscal policy during an expansion instead of adding to the nation's debt.

• FY 2021 - $1.068 trillion.
• FY 2020 - $1.101 trillion.
• FY 2019 - $1.092 trillion.
• FY 2018 - $779 billion.

President Barack Obama: Total = $6.785 trillion, a 57 percent increase.

• FY 2017 - $666 billion. Although Trump requested additional spending, Congress did not approve it.
• FY 2016 - $585 billion.
• FY 2015 - $438 billion.
• FY 2014 - $485 billion.
• FY 2013 - $679 billion.
• FY 2012 - $1.087 trillion.
• FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion.
• FY 2010 - $1.547 trillion. This is the sum of $1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget."

As Booray noted, Obama reduced the annual deficits. In a recession. Says your cited website.

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Jobs + Trillions gained in the market. Surely that counts for something?

When did you become an advocate for increased taxes/government?

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It does, but that's not the subject at hand.

Advocating for accuracy, not taxes. You should try it.

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Everything you advocate makes my life harder, diminishes my freedoms and makes me have to pay more money.

Don't tread on me.

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For example?

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Increased taxes. Mass immigration. Bigger government.

You support all three.

You never ask the government to be frugal. You ask the citizen to kneel and obey.

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Yer delirious. Taxation is theft. Immigration reform would allow the market to control immigration, not the govt.

I oppose Trumpcare, prescription drug coverage, the drug war, the warfare state, minimum wage, city owned bikes and hotels, USA PATRIOT Act, gun control, AUMF, domestic spying, professional licensing, drone attacks, enhanced interrogation, signing statements, federally guaranteed student loans, speech codes, victimless crimes, tariffs, rent controls, subsidies, TIFFs, requiring union membership to get a govt position, bailouts.

Off the top of my head.

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Do you have reflections on this opinion and excerpt in light of your beliefs?
"Only with the advent of Enlightenment liberalism did people begin to believe that the individual conscience, as well as the individual's body, should be inviolate and protected from the intrusions of state and church. And from the moment the idea was born, it sparked the most intense opposition. Not only did Enlightenment liberalism challenge traditional hierarchies, but its rationalism also challenged the traditional beliefs and social mores that had united communities over the centuries. Its universalist understanding of human nature and the primacy of the individual cut against traditional ties of race and tribe and even of family."
Robert Kagan
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2019/03/14/feature/the-strongmen-strike-back/?utm_term=.0a4e623ed30b