Seattle is Dying - This is so disgusting - thanks Lefties!

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Alfred Anchorsen
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bearassnekkid
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Looks awesome. San Francisco is the same or worse. Wonder what policies they have in common.
greatdivide
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Sadly eye opening
Baylor3216
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What? This is only fairness. Street defamation. Drugs on every corner. Workers paying for people to do nothing all day

A liberal democrat socialist dream.

Some can only vote to oppress themselves

These 8 years of Trump May be our last true glimmer of freedom on this once great Republic
bearassnekkid
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I'd like for some of the libertarian folks in favor of legalizing drugs to watch this and then let's have a conversation.
DioNoZeus
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I love Seattle but the open drug use there is startling. I will never forget walking downtown at 8AM on a Sunday morning, looking inside a window of a McDonalds as I was passing by, and seeing some guy freebasing in a booth. It's a huge problem.
Jack and DP
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https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/03/24/is-bay-area-pushing-people-to-the-breaking-point/
Canada2017
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bearassnekkid said:

I'd like for some of the libertarian folks in favor of legalizing drugs to watch this and then let's have a conversation.


Suspect 30% of our local homeless population are addicted to drugs. Almost all the violence and theft associated with our homeless is drug related .

Yet there are people who want to legalize heroin, meth and crack. Unbelievable.

Sam Lowry
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bearassnekkid said:

I'd like for some of the libertarian folks in favor of legalizing drugs to watch this and then let's have a conversation.
Are drugs legal in Seattle?
DioNoZeus
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Sam Lowry said:

bearassnekkid said:

I'd like for some of the libertarian folks in favor of legalizing drugs to watch this and then let's have a conversation.
Are drugs legal in Seattle?
No, but their existing laws are not well enforced. Think of Hamsterdam from The Wire.
Osodecentx
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Alfred Anchorsen said:


Alfred, thank you for posting this.

Everyone who favors legalization of drugs should watch this. Seattle is killing the addicts with compassion.

The drug laws are not enforced. Businesses moving out. Defecation on the streets.
Sam Lowry
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It's a long video, and I didn't get much from the first ten minutes. I would say not enforcing the law is different from legalizing. You still have a black market and all the problems that entails.
OldBurlyBear86
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Sam Lowry said:

bearassnekkid said:

I'd like for some of the libertarian folks in favor of legalizing drugs to watch this and then let's have a conversation.
Are drugs legal in Seattle?
Back to being the old contrarian.

Cant wait for you to offer something original.

How bout the Pope?
Sam Lowry
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OldBurlyBear86 said:

Sam Lowry said:

bearassnekkid said:

I'd like for some of the libertarian folks in favor of legalizing drugs to watch this and then let's have a conversation.
Are drugs legal in Seattle?
Back to being the old contrarian.

Cant wait for you to offer something original.

How bout the Pope?
You want something original? Get ready for the bombshell...

Maybe a town where drugs aren't legal isn't the best example of what happens when drugs are legal.
bearassnekkid
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Sam Lowry said:

bearassnekkid said:

I'd like for some of the libertarian folks in favor of legalizing drugs to watch this and then let's have a conversation.
Are drugs legal in Seattle?
Basically "possession" amounts of heroin, meth, etc are "legal." There is no enforcement against usage (even in the open in the streets) or possession up to a certain quantity.

The video is a great example of the reason that societies collectively choose to protect individuals from themselves in order to serve the greater societal good. We know that individuals get consumed by addiction (drugs, gambling, etc) and there is a public policy argument that having a huge portion of our populace impaired and non-productive hurts society as a whole. So we put limitations on substances or activities that tend to lower the tide for all (even non users).

I'm pretty libertarian in my thinking generally, but I've arrived at my stance on drugs after careful deliberation of all the arguments. This video (you should watch the whole thing) is a good case for why it's worth the fight, and shows the rehab model that Rhode Island law enforcement has implemented as a pretty good solution.
Osodecentx
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Sam Lowry said:

It's a long video, and I didn't get much from the first ten minutes. I would say not enforcing the law is different from legalizing. You still have a black market and all the problems that entails.
Same result

People sleeping in tents in front of Nordstrom's, urinating wherever and whenever the need arises, huge spike in property crimes (second only to San Francisco)

Addicts steal to afford their drugs because they can't hold a job. That'll be the same if their drug of choice is legal.
Canada2017
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Sam Lowry said:

OldBurlyBear86 said:

Sam Lowry said:

bearassnekkid said:

I'd like for some of the libertarian folks in favor of legalizing drugs to watch this and then let's have a conversation.
Are drugs legal in Seattle?
Back to being the old contrarian.

Cant wait for you to offer something original.

How bout the Pope?
You want something original? Get ready for the bombshell...

Maybe a town where drugs aren't legal isn't the best example of what happens when drugs are legal.


The destructive powers of heroin should be obvious to anyone. To make it more available with legalization would only increase the carnage.

Watch the entire video.

Osodecentx
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Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

OldBurlyBear86 said:

Sam Lowry said:

bearassnekkid said:

I'd like for some of the libertarian folks in favor of legalizing drugs to watch this and then let's have a conversation.
Are drugs legal in Seattle?
Back to being the old contrarian.

Cant wait for you to offer something original.

How bout the Pope?
You want something original? Get ready for the bombshell...

Maybe a town where drugs aren't legal isn't the best example of what happens when drugs are legal.


The destructive powers of heroin should be obvious to anyone. To make it more available with legalization would only increase the carnage.

Watch the entire video.


It is long and well worth the time

Alfred Anchorsen
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Watch the whole thing, it's critical.
Osodecentx
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Alfred Anchorsen said:

Watch the whole thing, it's critical.
Alfred
I wasn't planning on watching, but it just grabbed me. 2 million views in 11 days.

It is important. It shows the results of well intentioned but poor policy
Canada2017
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Osodecentx said:

Alfred Anchorsen said:

Watch the whole thing, it's critical.
Alfred
I wasn't planning on watching, but it just grabbed me. 2 million views in 11 days.

It is important. It shows the results of well intentioned but poor policy


Some mentally ill folks simply need to be put into hospitals against their will .

And hard drugs DO cause permanent brain damage in many instances .
Alfred Anchorsen
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Osodecentx said:

Alfred Anchorsen said:

Watch the whole thing, it's critical.
Alfred
I wasn't planning on watching, but it just grabbed me. 2 million views in 11 days.

It is important. It shows the results of well intentioned but poor policy
It grabbed me too. So many parts of Seattle remind me of Mumbai India. Unreal.
bularry
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DioNoZeus said:

I love Seattle but the open drug use there is startling. I will never forget walking downtown at 8AM on a Sunday morning, looking inside a window of a McDonalds as I was passing by, and seeing some guy freebasing in a booth. It's a huge problem.


Stayed downtown for a few days on vacation 4 years ago and didn't see anything like that. Did see a lot of weirdos, but not unexpected
bularry
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Osodecentx said:

Sam Lowry said:

It's a long video, and I didn't get much from the first ten minutes. I would say not enforcing the law is different from legalizing. You still have a black market and all the problems that entails.
Same result

People sleeping in tents in front of Nordstrom's, urinating wherever and whenever the need arises, huge spike in property crimes (second only to San Francisco)

Addicts steal to afford their drugs because they can't hold a job. That'll be the same if their drug of choice is legal.

I don't recall hearing of these issues in European countries where it is legalized
bularry
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Canada2017 said:

bearassnekkid said:

I'd like for some of the libertarian folks in favor of legalizing drugs to watch this and then let's have a conversation.


Suspect 30% of our local homeless population are addicted to drugs. Almost all the violence and theft associated with our homeless is drug related .

Yet there are people who want to legalize heroin, meth and crack. Unbelievable.




Probably 80% have mental health issues and due to self medication to treat themselves you end up with addicts.
Canada2017
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bularry said:

Canada2017 said:

bearassnekkid said:

I'd like for some of the libertarian folks in favor of legalizing drugs to watch this and then let's have a conversation.


Suspect 30% of our local homeless population are addicted to drugs. Almost all the violence and theft associated with our homeless is drug related .

Yet there are people who want to legalize heroin, meth and crack. Unbelievable.




Probably 80% have mental health issues and due to self medication to treat themselves you end up with addicts.


That is possible as well .

Regardless they need to be in hospitals ....against their will if need be.

This whole business of 'patients rights ' has condemned tens of thousands to a horrible death .
Keyser Soze
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They can't keep drugs out of prisons - yet some of you think a few more laws or a few more police will do something.

Many problems with the left leaning cities that have been self created problems


Zoning: particularly in San Fran prevents builders from making affordable housing and the quantity of housing needed.

Minimum wage laws prices the very low skilled completely out of a job.
Osodecentx
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Keyser Soze said:


They can't keep drugs out of prisons - yet some of you think a few more laws or a few more police will do something.

Many problems with the left leaning cities that have been self created problems


Zoning: particularly in San Fran prevents builders from making affordable housing and the quantity of housing needed.

Minimum wage laws prices the very low skilled completely out of a job.
Look at the video on Seattle. It isn't a housing problem. It is a drug problem. Legalizing will only make it worse
Keyser Soze
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Everything is connected.

There is also a fairly strong correlation between legalization and lower crime.
EatMoreSalmon
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Keyser Soze said:


They can't keep drugs out of prisons - yet some of you think a few more laws or a few more police will do something.

Many problems with the left leaning cities that have been self created problems


Zoning: particularly in San Fran prevents builders from making affordable housing and the quantity of housing needed.

Minimum wage laws prices the very low skilled completely out of a job.
Zoning issues alone in San Francisco alone would cause most people pushed out to the street from job loss and home loss to leave - on foot if necessary - to find a better place. Likely they move before the hammer falls and they have to walk. They would have nothing to lose by leaving the place that doesn't allow for lower wage earners, but everything to lose by staying.

Drug addicts stay because they find what they want there.

It's not a housing problem. More people should listen to the people they pay to keep the peace in their town.

bularry
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I would keep skeptical of anything police say. Not to say it isn't valuable input in discussions, but always comes with an agenda
Keyser Soze
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EatMoreSalmon said:

Keyser Soze said:


They can't keep drugs out of prisons - yet some of you think a few more laws or a few more police will do something.

Many problems with the left leaning cities that have been self created problems


Zoning: particularly in San Fran prevents builders from making affordable housing and the quantity of housing needed.

Minimum wage laws prices the very low skilled completely out of a job.
Zoning issues alone in San Francisco alone would cause most people pushed out to the street from job loss and home loss to leave - on foot if necessary - to find a better place. Likely they move before the hammer falls and they have to walk. They would have nothing to lose by leaving the place that doesn't allow for lower wage earners, but everything to lose by staying.

Drug addicts stay because they find what they want there.

It's not a housing problem. More people should listen to the people they pay to keep the peace in their town.




Speaking of problems, not saying either of those is "the" problem, just a problem

GoneGirl
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Part of the problem is that housing in Seattle is not affordable. If you don't have housing, it's hard to keep a job.

Do Texas cities have a large homeless population? My city has one--not huge, but large enough so that panhandling is a real problem and there are regular "cleanups" of tent cities that arise in various places.Our number of homeless has increased in recent years, as--due to an increasing population--the housing supply is less, rents are higher and someone who makes $50K a year can't afford to buy or rent a house without a roommate or spouse with a second income.
GoneGirl
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Osodecentx said:

Keyser Soze said:


They can't keep drugs out of prisons - yet some of you think a few more laws or a few more police will do something.

Many problems with the left leaning cities that have been self created problems


Zoning: particularly in San Fran prevents builders from making affordable housing and the quantity of housing needed.

Minimum wage laws prices the very low skilled completely out of a job.
Look at the video on Seattle. It isn't a housing problem. It is a drug problem. Legalizing will only make it worse
How can legalizing drugs make things worse than depicted in that video? The streets of Seattle look like a cross between Limbo and Hell, complete with wraiths and demons.

Housing isn't the only problem. But it's a significant problem in Seattle and many other cities, including mine. People like me who bought their houses 30 years ago are fortunate. People seeking housing now are going to pay a lot for a little, and even though new construction has lots of bells and whistles, I'd hate to live in a house of that quality.

This film is a polemic by a Sinclair station. Should be viewed with the same skepticism you'd view a Michael Moore polemic.
Canada2017
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Jinx 2 said:

Part of the problem is that housing in Seattle is not affordable. If you don't have housing, it's hard to keep a job.

Do Texas cities have a large homeless population? My city has one--not huge, but large enough so that panhandling is a real problem and there are regular "cleanups" of tent cities that arise in various places.Our number of homeless has increased in recent years, as--due to an increasing population--the housing supply is less, rents are higher and someone who makes $50K a year can't afford to buy or rent a house without a roommate or spouse with a second income.


With lot costs , water tap fees, sewer tap fees, insurance , labor costs , lumber costs , subcontractors......

single family 'affordable housing ' is near impossible to construct.

Honestly...it's no one's fault . There are legitimate reasons for each expense .

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