The Sunday NYTimes has a full-page ad promoting this website: TheJewishJesus.com .

(A .com? That raises questions in and of itself.)

Here's the question the ad poses: Did Jesus come to start a new religion?

chuckle

Read the New Testament

It's all there .

OT
NT
and chapel

Where were you?

We have TexasScientist. They have NewYork Socialogist.

Always trying to sow seeds of doubt. Who do you suppose those sowing the seeds work for?

Jinx 2 said:

---

The Sunday NYTimes has a full-page ad promoting this website: TheJewishJesus.com .

(A .com? That raises questions in and of itself.)

Here's the question the ad poses: Did Jesus come to start a new religion?

---

Are you an atheist?

Huh? How does an acknowledgement that Jesus was Jewish and never disavowed his Jewishness make one an atheist or non-believer?

Temple Judaism/Israelite traditional religion died when the Temple was burned to the ground and Jerusalem destroyed. No more priests, no more animal offerings, no more high priest position, etc

From that came two new religions Christianity and Rabbicial Judaism (modern Jews).

Which has the better case for being the true successor faith is of course open to interpretation.

Jinx 2 said:

---

The Sunday NYTimes has a full-page ad promoting this website: TheJewishJesus.com .

(A .com? That raises questions in and of itself.)

Here's the question the ad poses: Did Jesus come to start a new religion?

---

Great question. I say 'no', but will require red wine and a few hours to discuss

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

OT
NT
and chapel

Where were you?

We have TexasScientist. They have NewYork Socialogist.

Always trying to sow seeds of doubt. Who do you suppose those sowing the seeds work for?

---

Michael Avenatti ?

Midnight Rider said:

---

Huh? How does an acknowledgement that Jesus was Jewish and never disavowed his Jewishness make one an atheist or non-believer?

---

Go get 'em bubba!

defend the honor of your shield maiden

No.

Redbrickbear said:

---

Midnight Rider said:

---

Huh? How does an acknowledgement that Jesus was Jewish and never disavowed his Jewishness make one an atheist or non-believer?

---

Huge difference from being an Israelite/Jew of the first century.....than being a modern Jew today.

Same way their is a huge difference between being a Celt in 1st century England and being British today.

My personal feeling is that Jesus saw being Jewish as his national/cultural/religious identity. He was born in that land after all.

Modern Jews see their identity has being primarily racial in nature. Example: 50% of modern Jews don't even believe in God....more than half have never set foot in Israel...yet they still claim to be Jewish.

---

There is a huge difference between first century Christianity and being a modern Christian today.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

OT
NT
and chapel

Where were you?

We have TexasScientist. They have NewYork Socialogist.

Always trying to sow seeds of doubt. Who do you suppose those sowing the seeds work for?

---

Reality and rational thought.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

OT
NT
and chapel

Where were you?

We have TexasScientist. They have NewYork Socialogist.

Always trying to sow seeds of doubt. Who do you suppose those sowing the seeds work for?

---

Reality and rational thought.

---

you put in a great deal of effort fighting the imagined. Tell me about rational thought again.

---

Conforming thoughts and beliefs to the evidence of reality.

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

OT
NT
and chapel

Where were you?

We have TexasScientist. They have NewYork Socialogist.

Always trying to sow seeds of doubt. Who do you suppose those sowing the seeds work for?

---

Reality and rational thought.

---

you put in a great deal of effort fighting the imagined. Tell me about rational thought again.

---

Conforming thoughts and beliefs to the evidence of reality.

---

Whose reality shall we use?

Oldbear83 said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

OT
NT
and chapel

Where were you?

We have TexasScientist. They have NewYork Socialogist.

Always trying to sow seeds of doubt. Who do you suppose those sowing the seeds work for?

---

Reality and rational thought.

---

you put in a great deal of effort fighting the imagined. Tell me about rational thought again.

---

Conforming thoughts and beliefs to the evidence of reality.

---

Whose reality shall we use?

---

What is real as revealed by empirical evidence.

TexasScientist said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

OT
NT
and chapel

Where were you?

We have TexasScientist. They have NewYork Socialogist.

Always trying to sow seeds of doubt. Who do you suppose those sowing the seeds work for?

---

Reality and rational thought.

---

you put in a great deal of effort fighting the imagined. Tell me about rational thought again.

---

Conforming thoughts and beliefs to the evidence of reality.

---

Whose reality shall we use?

---

What is real as revealed by empirical evidence.

---

TS, everyday people are found guilty based on the preponderance of the evidence. Not every case has video evidence of the event. Do you question each guilty verdict where there is a preponderance of evidence but not empirical evidence?

Science constantly changes its theories as more is learned. Darwin's theory is not plausible and science now accepts that as fact. The thing that has not changed (except for getting stronger as archeologist fund more supporting evidence is God and Christianity ).

IF I could prove to you, this very instant, that Christianity is true, would you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

OT
NT
and chapel

Where were you?

We have TexasScientist. They have NewYork Socialogist.

Always trying to sow seeds of doubt. Who do you suppose those sowing the seeds work for?

---

Reality and rational thought.

---

you put in a great deal of effort fighting the imagined. Tell me about rational thought again.

---

Conforming thoughts and beliefs to the evidence of reality.

---

Whose reality shall we use?

---

What is real as revealed by empirical evidence.

---

TS, everyday people are found guilty based on the preponderance of the evidence. Not every case has video evidence of the event. Do you question each guilty verdict where there is a preponderance of evidence but not empirical evidence?

Science constantly changes its theories as more is learned. Darwin's theory is not plausible and science now accepts that as fact. The thing that has not changed (except for getting stronger as archeologist fund more supporting evidence is God and Christianity ).

IF I could prove to you, this very instant, that Christianity is true, would you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

---

Criminal cases are resolved upon evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, not preponderance of the evidence.

Darwin's theory is the foundation of evolution and biology, borne out by the scientific method. Even Baylor teaches evolution.

I would love to believe in a hereafter in paradise. Unfortunately, the evidence of reality doesn't support that belief.

TexasScientist said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

OT
NT
and chapel

Where were you?

We have TexasScientist. They have NewYork Socialogist.

Always trying to sow seeds of doubt. Who do you suppose those sowing the seeds work for?

---

Reality and rational thought.

---

you put in a great deal of effort fighting the imagined. Tell me about rational thought again.

---

Conforming thoughts and beliefs to the evidence of reality.

---

Whose reality shall we use?

---

What is real as revealed by empirical evidence.

---

So, your subjective reality, then.

How convenient for you.

Oldbear83 said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

OT
NT
and chapel

Where were you?

We have TexasScientist. They have NewYork Socialogist.

Always trying to sow seeds of doubt. Who do you suppose those sowing the seeds work for?

---

Reality and rational thought.

---

you put in a great deal of effort fighting the imagined. Tell me about rational thought again.

---

Conforming thoughts and beliefs to the evidence of reality.

---

Whose reality shall we use?

---

What is real as revealed by empirical evidence.

---

So, your subjective reality, then.

How convenient for you.

---

We know airplanes fly based upon the evidence of the physics of aerodynamics, as opposed to evidence that airplanes fly on the backs of angels.

I would join in the banter but I REALLY don't know much about this Bible stuff.

Even though I teach it . . . AT BAYLOR!

Oldbear83 said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

OT
NT
and chapel

Where were you?

We have TexasScientist. They have NewYork Socialogist.

Always trying to sow seeds of doubt. Who do you suppose those sowing the seeds work for?

---

Reality and rational thought.

---

you put in a great deal of effort fighting the imagined. Tell me about rational thought again.

---

Conforming thoughts and beliefs to the evidence of reality.

---

Whose reality shall we use?

---

What is real as revealed by empirical evidence.

---

So, your subjective reality, then.

How convenient for you.

---

We know airplanes fly based upon the evidence of the physics of aerodynamics, as opposed to evidence that airplanes fly on the backs of angels.

---

We perceive that airplanes fly.

We use those perceptions, sometimes imperfectly, to design and build airplanes.

The 737 Max is irrefutable proof that our perceptions and minds sometimes lead us into grave error.

As for angels, nowhere in Scripture are angels listed as a transportation service. You seem to be confusing holy writ with the plot from the Disney movie Aladdin.

---

We perceive airplanes fly and we also know airplanes fly. We perceive and know airplanes in all probablility don't fly on the backs of angels from the lack of evidence and from evidence to the contrary. The 737 Max flys. The crashes are due to training failure in the auto pilot system, and a stall warning and control system design shortcut. We know this from empirical evidence.

SSadler said:

---

I would join in the banter but I REALLY don't know much about this Bible stuff.

Even though I teach it . . . AT BAYLOR!

---

c'mon in. The water is fine.

TexasScientist said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

Oldbear83 said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

LIB,MR BEARS said:

---

OT
NT
and chapel

Where were you?

We have TexasScientist. They have NewYork Socialogist.

Always trying to sow seeds of doubt. Who do you suppose those sowing the seeds work for?

---

Reality and rational thought.

---

you put in a great deal of effort fighting the imagined. Tell me about rational thought again.

---

Conforming thoughts and beliefs to the evidence of reality.

---

Whose reality shall we use?

---

What is real as revealed by empirical evidence.

---

So, your subjective reality, then.

How convenient for you.

---

We know airplanes fly based upon the evidence of the physics of aerodynamics, as opposed to evidence that airplanes fly on the backs of angels.

---

We perceive that airplanes fly.

We use those perceptions, sometimes imperfectly, to design and build airplanes.

The 737 Max is irrefutable proof that our perceptions and minds sometimes lead us into grave error.

As for angels, nowhere in Scripture are angels listed as a transportation service. You seem to be confusing holy writ with the plot from the Disney movie Aladdin.

---

We perceive airplanes fly and we also know airplanes fly. We perceive and know airplanes in all probablility don't fly on the backs of angels from the lack of evidence and from evidence to the contrary. The 737 Max flys. The crashes are due to training failure in the auto pilot system, and a stall warning and control system design shortcut. We know this from empirical evidence.

---

Hubris is common among humans, especially lab-coat cultists.

Was Jesus a resident of Judea and a member of the line of David? yes

Was he Hebrew? Yes, Leviticus 24:10 says that the son in a marriage between a Hebrew woman and an Egyptian man is "of the community of Israel." So all sons born to a Hebrew mother are of the community of Israel.

Was he what we would call a modern jew? No.....not at all

Modern Jews are mostly Ashkenazi Jews.......and the Ashkenzai Jews are not direct descendants of the ancient Hebrew people.

"Ernest Renan and other scholars speculated that the Ashkenazi Jews of Europe originated among Turkic refugees who had migrated from the collapsed Khazarian Khanate westward into Europe, and exchanged their native Khazar language for Yiddish while continuing to practice Judaism the religion they converted to. Ancient Scythian population groups may also constitute a good portion of modern Ashkenazi Jewish lineage."


But honestly it does not matter..........after 2,000 of wondering around from country to country modern jews are so ethnically and racially mixed up that the only thing that unites them is Jewish custom and practice......and increasingly "practice' is subject to change since atheism is extremely high among jews.....plus the whole attempt to revive Hebrew by the modern state of Israel was an attempt to give modern jews a language they could all speak. So what is a jew? Its someone who calls themselves a jew and is certain they are not Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, etc.