More Free Stuff! Thank God for Rich People!!

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In reply to RD2WINAGNBEAR86 • 2:35a, 4/24/19
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
fadskier said:
So far, it's going to be Trump again for me. This "government pay for everything" is crap and stupid crap at that...
Agree with you Sir. Trump is an arrogant, narcissistic, womanizing ass. But he is by far a better choice than anyone in the New Far Left Democratic Party. I don't have to like him to vote for him.


Why focus any at all on Trump's negatives? Why apologize in any way for voting against Communists?

The Communist left is all that should be exposed and constantly too!
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In reply to fadskier • 2:38a, 4/24/19
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
fadskier said:
So far, it's going to be Trump again for me. This "government pay for everything" is crap and stupid crap at that...
Agree with you Sir. Trump is an arrogant, narcissistic, womanizing ass. But he is by far a better choice than anyone in the New Far Left Democratic Party. I don't have to like him to vote for him.
He'd win my vote hands down if he'd disengage his Twitter.


He "disengages" from Twitter then he allows MSM to run all over him unbound

Grow some balls and defend yourself. Life is too short to just roll over and take it not defending yourself!
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In reply to Waco1947 • 6:34a, 4/24/19
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midgett said:
Waco1947 said:
Outline of Warren Proposal
Sen. Elizabeth Warren unveiled a sweeping higher education plan on Monday that calls for canceling tens of thousands of dollars in student loan debt for a huge swath of working and middle-class Americans and eliminating tuition at public colleges.
The proposal by Warren, who is among a crowded field of candidates vying for the Democratic presidential nomination, would eliminate up to $50,000 in student loan debt for every indebted person with a household income of less than $100,000.

Borrowers who make between $100,000 and $250,000 would also be eligible to have a smaller portion of their debt forgiven. Americans making more than $250,000 would not be eligible for loan forgiveness under the plan.
USA Today
What about borrowers who has a HH income of less than $100k who paid off all their debt in the past? Shouldn't they be refunded? How much does that add to the cost?

Free tuition. Is the gov't paying or are schools going to be forced to eat costs? If the gov't is paying they will enact cost controls. If they enact cost controls, some colleges will need to fire lots of qualified professors. How much will a free education really be worth and how "free" will it truly be?
Maybe.


I.e., details of free Democratic ideas can't be discussed. We have no answers for legitimate questions!!!
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8:59a, 4/24/19
There's no such thing as absolved debt.

Someone is going to pay for these freebies and it's always going to be the middle class.
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In reply to Waco1947 • 9:35a, 4/24/19
Waco1947 said:
Johnny Bear said:
Jack Bauer said:
This is her plan"

Senator Warren Unveils Proposal to Tax Wealth of Ultra-Rich Americans

Annual Tax on Richest 0.1% of Americans Would Generate $2.75 Trillion in Revenue Over Ten Years
I love the way these "I'll promise anything to get elected..." leftist democrats always act like there will be an endless supply of "ultra rich people" (which there clearly isn't and won't be) that will just smile, lay down, and let the government confiscate whatever insane amount of money it wants to suck from them (which they won't - they'll figure out ways to move assets elsewhere and many of the jobs creators among them will stop doing so with devastating trickle down impact). These proposals are beyond insane and if implemented will do nothing but ultimately turn America into a giant 3rd world country.
Kind of like Trump promised coal miners?
No, not at all and your response makes zero sense. When did Trump ever promise ridiculous, unobtainable and undeserved "freebies" that will cost untold $trillions that "the rich" will pay for??
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In reply to Florda_mike • 10:29a, 4/24/19
Florda_mike said:
fadskier said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
fadskier said:
So far, it's going to be Trump again for me. This "government pay for everything" is crap and stupid crap at that...
Agree with you Sir. Trump is an arrogant, narcissistic, womanizing ass. But he is by far a better choice than anyone in the New Far Left Democratic Party. I don't have to like him to vote for him.
He'd win my vote hands down if he'd disengage his Twitter.


He "disengages" from Twitter then he allows MSM to run all over him unbound

Grow some balls and defend yourself. Life is too short to just roll over and take it not defending yourself!
Exactly.

A lot of people don't listen to conservative talk radio or watch Fox News (which by the way also allows liberal talking points to be spewed half the time on their non-opinion side). What other outlet does Trump have to counter the non-stop 24 / 7 vicious attacks and lies directed at him and his supporters in the MSM besides social media?? We've seen how disastrous the results can be from taking the George W. Bush just lay down and take it because you're trying to "look presidential" approach. It's actually inspiring and refreshing to see a POTUS that unashamedly defends himself, his beliefs, his successful record, and those that support him.
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In reply to Johnny Bear • 9:38p, 4/24/19
Calling people names, lying, good people among white supremacists, calling a dictator a good guy.
That's inspiring?
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In reply to Waco1947 • 9:43p, 4/24/19
Waco1947 said:
Calling people names, lying, good people among white supremacists, calling a dictator a good guy.
That's inspiring?


Drunk again ^^^
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In reply to Waco1947 • 9:44p, 4/24/19
"Calling people names, lying, good people among black supremacists, calling a dictator a good guy."

Except for the color confusion, an apt summary of the Obama years.
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In reply to Waco1947 • 10:21p, 4/24/19
Waco1947 said:
Calling people names, lying, good people among white supremacists, calling a dictator a good guy.
That's inspiring?

People are doing well. That's what's inspiring:
  • Record employment
  • Highest median household income in US History
  • Lowest rate African-American unemployment
  • Lowest rate of Hispanic unemployment
  • Women's unemployment rate lowest in 65 years
  • 3.9 million Americans lifted off food stamps
  • Removed Obama healthcare mandate penalty from people that couldn't afford it

For some reason, you advocate a party that wants to punish people who work hard to be successful.

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In reply to RD2WINAGNBEAR86 • 1:37a, 4/25/19
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
More freebies for the young'uns! Not sure how Bernie will top this. Elizabeth Warren wants to forgive student debt and get the "ultra-rich" to pay for it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/warren-calls-for-massive-student-debt-relief-and-free-public-college-tuition/ar-BBWaYx4?OCID=AVRES007

What kind of message does that send to young people that it is okay to not pay your bills? How will those that worked, sacrificed, and did without and paid off their college loans feel about this?
Oversimplified. I know a lot of people that sacrificed financially to go to college. I also know a lot that didn't sacrifice anything financially. Parent's money makes life easier. I guess government money makes life easier too.
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In reply to Buddha Bear • 8:23a, 4/25/19
Buddha bear: "I guess government money makes life easier too."

But there is no such thing as 'government money'. That money comes from some individual or group of people who worked to create that wealth, then the government simply took it.

It's one thing to provide things which benefit everyone, like roads or a strong army. Taking money from someone to give it to someone else is theft, plain and dirty.
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In reply to Edmond Bear • 9:09a, 4/25/19
Edmond Bear said:
Waco1947 said:
Calling people names, lying, good people among white supremacists, calling a dictator a good guy.
That's inspiring?

People are doing well. That's what's inspiring:
  • Record employment
  • Highest median household income in US History
  • Lowest rate African-American unemployment
  • Lowest rate of Hispanic unemployment
  • Women's unemployment rate lowest in 65 years
  • 3.9 million Americans lifted off food stamps
  • Removed Obama healthcare mandate penalty from people that couldn't afford it

For some reason, you advocate a party that wants to punish people who work hard to be successful.



Dems only hope in 2020 is that voters ....

A. Have short memories
B. Will vote Democrat out of habit
C. Can be influenced by the incredible wave of anti Trump propaganda that 80% of the media will unleash .
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In reply to Canada2017 • 9:33p, 4/25/19
Canada2017 said:
Edmond Bear said:
Waco1947 said:
Calling people names, lying, good people among white supremacists, calling a dictator a good guy.
That's inspiring?

People are doing well. That's what's inspiring:
  • Record employment
  • Highest median household income in US History
  • Lowest rate African-American unemployment
  • Lowest rate of Hispanic unemployment
  • Women's unemployment rate lowest in 65 years
  • 3.9 million Americans lifted off food stamps
  • Removed Obama healthcare mandate penalty from people that couldn't afford it

For some reason, you advocate a party that wants to punish people who work hard to be successful.



Dems only hope in 2020 is that voters ....

A. Have short memories
B. Will vote Democrat out of habit
C. Can be influenced by the incredible wave of anti Trump propaganda that 80% of the media will unleash .

Oh! You have a practical morality.
I am happy for the unemployed but get back to me when wages go up.
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In reply to Waco1947 • 9:38p, 4/25/19
Waco1947 said:
Canada2017 said:
Edmond Bear said:
Waco1947 said:
Calling people names, lying, good people among white supremacists, calling a dictator a good guy.
That's inspiring?

People are doing well. That's what's inspiring:
  • Record employment
  • Highest median household income in US History
  • Lowest rate African-American unemployment
  • Lowest rate of Hispanic unemployment
  • Women's unemployment rate lowest in 65 years
  • 3.9 million Americans lifted off food stamps
  • Removed Obama healthcare mandate penalty from people that couldn't afford it

For some reason, you advocate a party that wants to punish people who work hard to be successful.



Dems only hope in 2020 is that voters ....

A. Have short memories
B. Will vote Democrat out of habit
C. Can be influenced by the incredible wave of anti Trump propaganda that 80% of the media will unleash .

Oh! You have a practical morality.
I am happy for the unemployed but get back to me when wages go up.
Waco gets lots of exercise moving goalposts
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 10:10p, 4/25/19
tommie said:
57Bear said:
How is tax the rich working out for California?


It has the largest GDP by state in the union.


It also has the most needles and **** in the streets.
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In reply to GrowlTowel • 6:25a, 4/26/19
GrowlTowel said:
tommie said:
57Bear said:
How is tax the rich working out for California?


It has the largest GDP by state in the union.


It also has the most needles and **** in the streets.


...... and illegal aliens, tenfold
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In reply to Buddha Bear • 8:12a, 4/26/19
Buddha Bear said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
More freebies for the young'uns! Not sure how Bernie will top this. Elizabeth Warren wants to forgive student debt and get the "ultra-rich" to pay for it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/warren-calls-for-massive-student-debt-relief-and-free-public-college-tuition/ar-BBWaYx4?OCID=AVRES007

What kind of message does that send to young people that it is okay to not pay your bills? How will those that worked, sacrificed, and did without and paid off their college loans feel about this?
Oversimplified. I know a lot of people that sacrificed financially to go to college. I also know a lot that didn't sacrifice anything financially. Parent's money makes life easier. I guess government money makes life easier too.
Not sure I understand your reasoning here, Buddha. My wife and I told our kids that we will pay for your education and give you a clean start out of college, but the rest is up to you. The loan forgiveness policy is also not fair to PARENTS that have sacrificed to pay for their children's education.

Like so many other things, there used to be a stigma attached to not paying your bills but it seems that times have changed. Think about how many companies are advertising these days for people to get relief from IRS debt and credit card debt.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

-- Barack Obama
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In reply to GrowlTowel • 8:52a, 4/26/19
GrowlTowel said:
tommie said:
57Bear said:
How is tax the rich working out for California?


It has the largest GDP by state in the union.


It also has the most needles and **** in the streets.


So, should their goal be to become West Virginia?
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 9:40a, 4/26/19
tommie said:
GrowlTowel said:
tommie said:
57Bear said:
How is tax the rich working out for California?


It has the largest GDP by state in the union.


It also has the most needles and **** in the streets.


So, should their goal be to become West Virginia?
I would hope the good people of California would aim higher.
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In reply to Waco1947 • 10:00a, 4/26/19
Waco1947 said:
Calling people names, lying, good people among white supremacists, calling a dictator a good guy.
That's inspiring?
First of all the "good people among white supremacists" as something attributed to Trump is a bald-faced lie. Read the transcript of the press conference that alleged comment comes from and you will clearly see that Trump appropriately condemned the actual white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and Klan members who were present at Charlottesville and he also appropriately condemned the "bad people" on the other side (i.e. members of the violent, bigoted, white leftist hate group known as ANTIFA). His comment about the "good people" had to do with the peaceful protestors who were present because of a love for history and who were/are concerned about tearing down statues of historical figures (like Robert E. Lee) because they weren't perfect (a very valid concern) and who furthermore have absolutely nothing to do with the Klan, or the neo-Nazis, or white supremacists. Again, read the transcript in context and stop lying about this.

Otherwise, the rest of your post could be more accurately applied to Barrack Obama. And no, that wasn't inspiring.
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In reply to Johnny Bear • 10:04a, 4/26/19
Joe Biden had better get a clue and figure out very quickly that his biggest adversary in the short term in NOT Donald Trump, but his own party. The Neo Socialist Democrats are going to eat him alive.

Believe it or not, had Biden been the Democratic nominee in the last election, my wife and I would have voted for him. Looking back, thank God that didn't happen. Trump is an arrogant ass but so far has been a pretty damn good President.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

-- Barack Obama
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In reply to Waco1947 • 10:10a, 4/26/19
Waco1947 said:
Calling people names, lying, good people among white supremacists, calling a dictator a good guy.
That's inspiring?
A lot of good people don't want statues of Robt E Lee removed. They aren't white supremacists.
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In reply to Waco1947 • 8:46a, 4/27/19
Waco1947 said:
Canada2017 said:
Edmond Bear said:
Waco1947 said:
Calling people names, lying, good people among white supremacists, calling a dictator a good guy.
That's inspiring?

People are doing well. That's what's inspiring:
  • Record employment
  • Highest median household income in US History
  • Lowest rate African-American unemployment
  • Lowest rate of Hispanic unemployment
  • Women's unemployment rate lowest in 65 years
  • 3.9 million Americans lifted off food stamps
  • Removed Obama healthcare mandate penalty from people that couldn't afford it

For some reason, you advocate a party that wants to punish people who work hard to be successful.



Dems only hope in 2020 is that voters ....

A. Have short memories
B. Will vote Democrat out of habit
C. Can be influenced by the incredible wave of anti Trump propaganda that 80% of the media will unleash .

Oh! You have a practical morality.
I am happy for the unemployed but get back to me when wages go up.


You have no morality whatsoever . But hypocrisy by the ton.

In Colorado wages are most certainly up.

Get back to me when you pay a significant amount of income taxes in lieu of message board chatter .
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In reply to RD2WINAGNBEAR86 • 10:12a, 4/27/19
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Buddha Bear said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
More freebies for the young'uns! Not sure how Bernie will top this. Elizabeth Warren wants to forgive student debt and get the "ultra-rich" to pay for it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/warren-calls-for-massive-student-debt-relief-and-free-public-college-tuition/ar-BBWaYx4?OCID=AVRES007

What kind of message does that send to young people that it is okay to not pay your bills? How will those that worked, sacrificed, and did without and paid off their college loans feel about this?
Oversimplified. I know a lot of people that sacrificed financially to go to college. I also know a lot that didn't sacrifice anything financially. Parent's money makes life easier. I guess government money makes life easier too.
Not sure I understand your reasoning here, Buddha. My wife and I told our kids that we will pay for your education and give you a clean start out of college, but the rest is up to you. The loan forgiveness policy is also not fair to PARENTS that have sacrificed to pay for their children's education.

Like so many other things, there used to be a stigma attached to not paying your bills but it seems that times have changed. Think about how many companies are advertising these days for people to get relief from IRS debt and credit card debt.
Some people have help from their parents, and good for them if they deserve it. Some people have no external help to pay for college. And I think those people need more help today than any previous generation. For example, in Australia, no one pays interest on student loans. That sorta levels the playing field a little more if you happen to start off with nothing.

Where your kids will be able to build wealth immediately out of college, another student will pay $40k to the bank with a 6% interest rate for 20 years ($100k in total payments). That's potentially a $200,000 USD head start in life due to your careful planning. Your kids won the lottery.
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In reply to Waco1947 • 10:20a, 4/27/19
Waco1947 said:
Canada2017 said:
Edmond Bear said:
Waco1947 said:
Calling people names, lying, good people among white supremacists, calling a dictator a good guy.
That's inspiring?

People are doing well. That's what's inspiring:
  • Record employment
  • Highest median household income in US History
  • Lowest rate African-American unemployment
  • Lowest rate of Hispanic unemployment
  • Women's unemployment rate lowest in 65 years
  • 3.9 million Americans lifted off food stamps
  • Removed Obama healthcare mandate penalty from people that couldn't afford it

For some reason, you advocate a party that wants to punish people who work hard to be successful.



Dems only hope in 2020 is that voters ....

A. Have short memories
B. Will vote Democrat out of habit
C. Can be influenced by the incredible wave of anti Trump propaganda that 80% of the media will unleash .

I am happy for the unemployed but get back to me when wages go up.


^^^ How in the world would your unemployed entitled arse have a clue about wages?

Good Lord, wages are up everywhere and if you got out you'd know it too!
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In reply to Buddha Bear • 10:38a, 4/27/19
"Your kids won the lottery."

Nope, his kids has responsible parents and learned work ethic.

Big difference.
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In reply to Jack Bauer • 10:56a, 4/27/19
Jack Bauer said:
This is her plan"

Senator Warren Unveils Proposal to Tax Wealth of Ultra-Rich Americans

Annual Tax on Richest 0.1% of Americans Would Generate $2.75 Trillion in Revenue Over Ten Years


I got no problem with this. Generational wealth creating oligarchs was never the America envisioned by our founders.
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In reply to RD2WINAGNBEAR86 • 10:59a, 4/27/19
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Joe Biden had better get a clue and figure out very quickly that his biggest adversary in the short term in NOT Donald Trump, but his own party. The Neo Socialist Democrats are going to eat him alive.

Believe it or not, had Biden been the Democratic nominee in the last election, my wife and I would have voted for him. Looking back, thank God that didn't happen. Trump is an arrogant ass but so far has been a pretty damn good President.


No idea why you think he's been good.
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In reply to bularry • 11:41a, 4/27/19
bularry said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Joe Biden had better get a clue and figure out very quickly that his biggest adversary in the short term in NOT Donald Trump, but his own party. The Neo Socialist Democrats are going to eat him alive.

Believe it or not, had Biden been the Democratic nominee in the last election, my wife and I would have voted for him. Looking back, thank God that didn't happen. Trump is an arrogant ass but so far has been a pretty damn good President.


No idea why you think he's been good.


Are you a trust baby???

Does your income and the economy matter to you?
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In reply to bularry • 11:48a, 4/27/19
bularry said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Joe Biden had better get a clue and figure out very quickly that his biggest adversary in the short term in NOT Donald Trump, but his own party. The Neo Socialist Democrats are going to eat him alive.

Believe it or not, had Biden been the Democratic nominee in the last election, my wife and I would have voted for him. Looking back, thank God that didn't happen. Trump is an arrogant ass but so far has been a pretty damn good President.


No idea why you think he's been good.
I like Americans having jobs.

I like effective action against ISIS.

I like judges who follow the Constitution.

Just for starters.
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In reply to Osodecentx • 6:03p, 4/27/19
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Calling people names, lying, good people among white supremacists, calling a dictator a good guy.
That's inspiring?
A lot of good people don't want statues of Robt E Lee removed. They aren't white supremacists.
If one wants a statue of a traitor in a public place one cannot be a good person. Should we have a statue of Benedict Arnold?
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In reply to Waco1947 • 6:25p, 4/27/19
Waco1947 said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Calling people names, lying, good people among white supremacists, calling a dictator a good guy.
That's inspiring?
A lot of good people don't want statues of Robt E Lee removed. They aren't white supremacists.
If one wants a statue of a traitor in a public place one cannot be a good person. Should we have a statue of Benedict Arnold?
Funny you should mention that. There are actually several monuments to Arnold, although the name has been removed from each. The problem is that while Arnold was undeniably a traitor, he was also a hero and almost single-handedly won the battle at Saratoga.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 3:53p, 4/28/19
Oldbear83 said:
Buddha bear: "I guess government money makes life easier too."

But there is no such thing as 'government money'. That money comes from some individual or group of people who worked to create that wealth, then the government simply took it.

It's one thing to provide things which benefit everyone, like roads or a strong army. Taking money from someone to give it to someone else is theft, plain and dirty.


We benefit from a strong army? But not feeding citizens? Or funding schools?
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bularry said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Joe Biden had better get a clue and figure out very quickly that his biggest adversary in the short term in NOT Donald Trump, but his own party. The Neo Socialist Democrats are going to eat him alive.

Believe it or not, had Biden been the Democratic nominee in the last election, my wife and I would have voted for him. Looking back, thank God that didn't happen. Trump is an arrogant ass but so far has been a pretty damn good President.


No idea why you think he's been good.
I like Americans having jobs.

I like effective action against ISIS.

I like judges who follow the Constitution.

Just for starters.


Judges who follow the Constitution is nonsensical

Effective action against ISIS? By ceding all influence in Middle East to Russia? That's his big win?

Trump hasn't done anything to help jobs. Presidents don't control the economy
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