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When are the people in charge at Baylor going to learn that the only way the school and its family will leave this chapter behind is to come clean, produce all the report and investigation, enact meaningful and transparent reforms and accept responsibility...
The Regents always claimed there was NO written report.PartyBear said:
I was going to mention that the Trib reported last week there is in fact a written PH Report and the Court has ordered it be produced to the Plaintiffs. It will very interesting to see if the actual PH report is consistent with the BOR summary. I could have sworn at the time it was claimed there was no written report just a verbal one.
That is what we were told.....and Truett told us that the correct action was to just stay quiet and it would blow over.PartyBear said:
I was going to mention that the Trib reported last week there is in fact a written PH Report and the Court has ordered it be produced to the Plaintiffs. It will very interesting to see if the actual PH report is consistent with the BOR summary. I could have sworn at the time it was claimed there was no written report just a verbal one.
Does this mean the hiatus of butt hurt is over?bubbadog said:
Not clear to me from reading this whether (1) there was always a written report from P-H and the board simply lied to the public about it; or (2) what is being now described as the written report were actually more like the presentation notes P-H needed to prepare in order to give the 2-hour verbal briefing that the board requested, but that they never turned over these written notes to Baylor; or (3) after the verbal briefing, P-H put their findings in written form for their own records and perhaps their own protection.
In any case, what is tragic is that these board members who loudly profess their love for Baylor actually damaged Baylor severely by trying to hide the full picture of what went on -- by pretending that there wasn't a real problem beyond the football program.
The greater act of love here toward Baylor was shown by David Barron, who wrote this piece for the Chronicle. Barron is a Baylor alum who got his start at the Tribune-Herald and did a lot of work for Dave Campbell's Texas Football. It's better for Baylor in the long run that the truth come out, all of it, instead of a bunch of pious posturing.
Redbrickbear said:
Its just keeps on going.
Didn't the regent clan tell us firing Briles would make all this go away?
Hiring Solomon wouldn't do much good if you didn't use the findings and advice well. Who knows whether or not we responded to P-H "well" or not? BU has sent some folks packing and others drifted into shadows so far as I can tell, but did that really address the issues in P-H? Lots of opinions being batted around and conventional wisdom says we did not. Problem is that none of us know really what that "report" said, and I don't believe much of what I read that others have said about that "report" given to the BOR. Maybe this lawyer knows something--he'd better with all the claims and depositions he's making and taking., and all the demands he's sending out. My grandkids might live to see this diminish into nothingness...Johnny Bear said:
We were idiots to hire Pepper Hamilton in the first place.
witchmo said:Hiring Solomon wouldn't do much good if you didn't use the findings and advice well. Who knows whether or not we responded to P-H "well" or not? BU has sent some folks packing and others drifted into shadows so far as I can tell, but did that really address the issues in P-H? Lots of opinions being batted around and conventional wisdom says we did not. Problem is that none of us know really what that "report" said, and I don't believe much of what I read that others have said about that "report" given to the BOR. Maybe this lawyer knows something--he'd better with all the claims and depositions he's making and taking., and all the demands he's sending out. My grandkids might live to see this diminish into nothingness...Johnny Bear said:
We were idiots to hire Pepper Hamilton in the first place.
It was probably short too.Keyser Soze said:
Check was late
Keyser Soze said:witchmo said:Hiring Solomon wouldn't do much good if you didn't use the findings and advice well. Who knows whether or not we responded to P-H "well" or not? BU has sent some folks packing and others drifted into shadows so far as I can tell, but did that really address the issues in P-H? Lots of opinions being batted around and conventional wisdom says we did not. Problem is that none of us know really what that "report" said, and I don't believe much of what I read that others have said about that "report" given to the BOR. Maybe this lawyer knows something--he'd better with all the claims and depositions he's making and taking., and all the demands he's sending out. My grandkids might live to see this diminish into nothingness...Johnny Bear said:
We were idiots to hire Pepper Hamilton in the first place.
Well according to Smith and Gomez, the lead attorneys in the PH investigation, Baylor did. This is their report on the completion of the 105 recommendations.
https://www.baylor.edu/thefacts/doc.php/301337.pdf
We find that the University has effectively implemented the 105 Recommendations. From all walks of the University community students, faculty, staff, senior leadership, the President, and the Board of Regents we have seen tremendous effort and engagement that has met or exceeded the tasks set forth in the recommendations. We note and the University recognizes that implementation is an ongoing task for many of these recommendations. To that end, we find that the University has invested time, energy, resources, personnel, policy, procedures and systems that will continue to support and enhance the ongoing implementation efforts.
Going through the 750 pages of Smith & Gomez's report, it is clear that the Findings of Fact given in 2016 are a valid summary of what Smith & Gomez discovered at Baylor.
Right there with you on this Blackie. I don't trust Baylor at all any more.blackie said:That is what we were told.....and Truett told us that the correct action was to just stay quiet and it would blow over.PartyBear said:
I was going to mention that the Trib reported last week there is in fact a written PH Report and the Court has ordered it be produced to the Plaintiffs. It will very interesting to see if the actual PH report is consistent with the BOR summary. I could have sworn at the time it was claimed there was no written report just a verbal one.
All of these situations are sad. Baylor was just the first to which it occurred. Everybody else since has been able to stonewall it. Staying quiet might have worked a year or two later. But being the first kid on the block was not the time to do it. This could have been handled without blowing up the university (and IMO more damage was done to the university than to any football program).
The division that was caused will linger far longer than my lifetime and that of many on this board. Many of us don't trust Baylor anymore, and I don't know of any reason why we should. The pettiness of the BOR was far worse than most of us ever imagined. You can't run a multi-billion dollar business as a personal toy or Sunday School. They ruined it for me, and not because of the sexual assaults, but how they "dealt" with it, and I don't think I am alone. Sexual assaults are unfortunately now a fact of student life. The stupidity at Baylor was trying to convince the public that somehow miraculously Baylor was immune to the evils of the world. Well, we aren't and come to find out we had evil roaming the halls of Pat Neff.
I have yet to answer one phone call from Baylor since this mess started. They don't deserve a penny of my money from a charitable perspective. The only money that I do give now is for personal pleasure (tickets) as I would for any other entertainment option out there. We have yet to walk the campus since this started. I just don't feel the pride in my school that I once had. That is a lot to lose.........and we still don't have an iota of an apology from anybody running the place during that time.
Alfred Anchorsen said:Right there with you on this Blackie. I don't trust Baylor at all any more.blackie said:That is what we were told.....and Truett told us that the correct action was to just stay quiet and it would blow over.PartyBear said:
I was going to mention that the Trib reported last week there is in fact a written PH Report and the Court has ordered it be produced to the Plaintiffs. It will very interesting to see if the actual PH report is consistent with the BOR summary. I could have sworn at the time it was claimed there was no written report just a verbal one.
All of these situations are sad. Baylor was just the first to which it occurred. Everybody else since has been able to stonewall it. Staying quiet might have worked a year or two later. But being the first kid on the block was not the time to do it. This could have been handled without blowing up the university (and IMO more damage was done to the university than to any football program).
The division that was caused will linger far longer than my lifetime and that of many on this board. Many of us don't trust Baylor anymore, and I don't know of any reason why we should. The pettiness of the BOR was far worse than most of us ever imagined. You can't run a multi-billion dollar business as a personal toy or Sunday School. They ruined it for me, and not because of the sexual assaults, but how they "dealt" with it, and I don't think I am alone. Sexual assaults are unfortunately now a fact of student life. The stupidity at Baylor was trying to convince the public that somehow miraculously Baylor was immune to the evils of the world. Well, we aren't and come to find out we had evil roaming the halls of Pat Neff.
I have yet to answer one phone call from Baylor since this mess started. They don't deserve a penny of my money from a charitable perspective. The only money that I do give now is for personal pleasure (tickets) as I would for any other entertainment option out there. We have yet to walk the campus since this started. I just don't feel the pride in my school that I once had. That is a lot to lose.........and we still don't have an iota of an apology from anybody running the place during that time.
The Pepper Hamilton Report can be found nestled with Hillary Clinton's missing 30,000 E-mails. Unfortunately, that is just how Baylor rolls these days.YoakDaddy said:
As many of us have stated numerous times since May 2016, the best way for Baylor to handle this was full disclosure of all facts no matter where they may lead. Transparency and Accountability.
But, hey, 105! 105! 105! 105! 105! 105! Look at our 105! It's all been bullshlt and leadership trying to save their own a sses.
Who did the audit?Keyser Soze said:
The regents who wrote the Findings of Facts did so with the guidance of PH. The subsequent audit of the completion of the 105 recommendations very much supports the accuracy of the FoF. Much like the power point, done in this fashion the document is of limited value to a potential plaintiff.
I did. bubba's questions below never answered. I guess PH did audit and wants us to stop asking questions.Keyser Soze said:
read the thread
Osodecentx said:I did. bubba's questions below never answeredKeyser Soze said:
read the thread
This from bubba:
Not clear to me from reading this whether (1) there was always a written report from P-H and the board simply lied to the public about it; or (2) what is being now described as the written report were actually more like the presentation notes P-H needed to prepare in order to give the 2-hour verbal briefing that the board requested, but that they never turned over these written notes to Baylor; or (3) after the verbal briefing, P-H put their findings in written form for their own records and perhaps their own protection.
Thanks, but is that the audit?Keyser Soze said:Osodecentx said:I did. bubba's questions below never answeredKeyser Soze said:
read the thread
This from bubba:
Not clear to me from reading this whether (1) there was always a written report from P-H and the board simply lied to the public about it; or (2) what is being now described as the written report were actually more like the presentation notes P-H needed to prepare in order to give the 2-hour verbal briefing that the board requested, but that they never turned over these written notes to Baylor; or (3) after the verbal briefing, P-H put their findings in written form for their own records and perhaps their own protection.
My understanding is #2
Thanks for the clarificationKeyser Soze said:
The audit was of the completion of the 105 recommendations. It was done by Smith & Gomez the main attorneys of the PH investigation.
The Findings of Fact is mentioned in the audit multiple times. It is either an accurate summary or you must draw the conclusions Smith and Gomez are part of any deception. Far fetched, but plenty of conspiracy nuts around here.
Osodecentx said:Thanks for the clarificationKeyser Soze said:
The audit was of the completion of the 105 recommendations. It was done by Smith & Gomez the main attorneys of the PH investigation.
The Findings of Fact is mentioned in the audit multiple times. It is either an accurate summary or you must draw the conclusions Smith and Gomez are part of any deception. Far fetched, but plenty of conspiracy nuts around here.
People out here who are skeptics aren't all conspiracy nuts. The skepticism of BOR is well deserved
I took Keyser's post as the answer to my question. Or at least that was his understanding, although it didn't sound like he could make this statement with absolute certainty.Osodecentx said:I did. bubba's questions below never answered. I guess PH did audit and wants us to stop asking questions.Keyser Soze said:
read the thread
This from bubba:
Not clear to me from reading this whether (1) there was always a written report from P-H and the board simply lied to the public about it; or (2) what is being now described as the written report were actually more like the presentation notes P-H needed to prepare in order to give the 2-hour verbal briefing that the board requested, but that they never turned over these written notes to Baylor; or (3) after the verbal briefing, P-H put their findings in written form for their own records and perhaps their own protection.
Good questions. I'd like to know the answers.Malbec said:
Why didn't the BOR engage PH to conduct the audit of the recommendations that were created under their auspices? And if they were going to hire another firm that was independent of the responsibility for those PH recommendations, why did they hire the same attorneys (who had been separated from the responsible law firm) who had acted in concert with the BOR to produce the FoF who were now working at another firm, instead of bringing in a firm with no ties to the investigation at all?