Waco: "No one has dealt with this argument."

This is a false claim, sadly common to Waco when he does not like the answers he gets.

Waco1947 said:

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No one has dealt with this argument.
if God creates Elaine with free will and knows that she will use that free will to reject Christ and go to hell.
Why would God create Elaine in the first place knowing she will suffer eternal damnation?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
And "God gave us free will!"
Why is God so cruel to humans that God supposedly loves?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
True or false for you?
You know that if you say "Yes." You lose.
God is beyond time. Big Deal. We and Elaine live in this time and space.

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Repeating a false claim does not change anything, Waco

Waco1947 said:

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No one has dealt with this argument.
if God creates Elaine with free will and knows that she will use that free will to reject Christ and go to hell.
Why would God create Elaine in the first place knowing she will suffer eternal damnation?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
And "God gave us free will!"
Why is God so cruel to humans that God supposedly loves?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
True or false for you?
You know that if you say "Yes." You lose.
God is beyond time. Big Deal. We and Elaine live in this time and space.

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I've already answered it at least twice.

JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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No one has dealt with this argument.
if God creates Elaine with free will and knows that she will use that free will to reject Christ and go to hell.
Why would God create Elaine in the first place knowing she will suffer eternal damnation?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
And "God gave us free will!"
Why is God so cruel to humans that God supposedly loves?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
True or false for you?
You know that if you say "Yes." You lose.
God is beyond time. Big Deal. We and Elaine live in this time and space.

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I've already answered it at least twice.

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And I knocked it down twice. You failed to acknowledge that you were wrong.

Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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No one has dealt with this argument.
if God creates Elaine with free will and knows that she will use that free will to reject Christ and go to hell.
Why would God create Elaine in the first place knowing she will suffer eternal damnation?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
And "God gave us free will!"
Why is God so cruel to humans that God supposedly loves?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
True or false for you?
You know that if you say "Yes." You lose.
God is beyond time. Big Deal. We and Elaine live in this time and space.

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I've already answered it at least twice.

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And I knocked it down twice. You failed to acknowledge that you were wrong.

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Since he is not wrong, JXL is doing what he should.

Hubris is a sin, Waco. And you are full of it today.

Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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No one has dealt with this argument.
if God creates Elaine with free will and knows that she will use that free will to reject Christ and go to hell.
Why would God create Elaine in the first place knowing she will suffer eternal damnation?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
And "God gave us free will!"
Why is God so cruel to humans that God supposedly loves?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
True or false for you?
You know that if you say "Yes." You lose.
God is beyond time. Big Deal. We and Elaine live in this time and space.

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I've already answered it at least twice.

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And I knocked it down twice. You failed to acknowledge that you were wrong.

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You haven't knocked anything down. You continue to repeat the same assertions over and over despite being told several times that the premise of your assertion was flawed.

Waco1947 said:

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No one has dealt with this argument.
if God creates Elaine with free will and knows that she will use that free will to reject Christ and go to hell.
Why would God create Elaine in the first place knowing she will suffer eternal damnation?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
And "God gave us free will!"
Why is God so cruel to humans that God supposedly loves?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
True or false for you?
You know that if you say "Yes." You lose.
God is beyond time. Big Deal. We and Elaine live in this time and space.

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I've answered it multiple times. Read the thread. In actuality, you haven't dealt with the answer.

JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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No one has dealt with this argument.
if God creates Elaine with free will and knows that she will use that free will to reject Christ and go to hell.
Why would God create Elaine in the first place knowing she will suffer eternal damnation?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
And "God gave us free will!"
Why is God so cruel to humans that God supposedly loves?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
True or false for you?
You know that if you say "Yes." You lose.
God is beyond time. Big Deal. We and Elaine live in this time and space.

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I've already answered it at least twice.

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And I knocked it down twice. You failed to acknowledge that you were wrong.

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You haven't knocked anything down. You continue to repeat the same assertions over and over despite being told several times that the premise of your assertion was flawed.

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Yeah "God is above time" is rhetorical nonsense. We live now. Elaine lives now. Why create her to suffer in hell? The moment she is born God knows it, yet God will do it anyway. Your all knowing god is very cruel.

Elaine rejects God. Elaine is cruel not God. Stay out of 1947's church.

Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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No one has dealt with this argument.
if God creates Elaine with free will and knows that she will use that free will to reject Christ and go to hell.
Why would God create Elaine in the first place knowing she will suffer eternal damnation?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
And "God gave us free will!"
Why is God so cruel to humans that God supposedly loves?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
True or false for you?
You know that if you say "Yes." You lose.
God is beyond time. Big Deal. We and Elaine live in this time and space.

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I've already answered it at least twice.

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And I knocked it down twice. You failed to acknowledge that you were wrong.

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You haven't knocked anything down. You continue to repeat the same assertions over and over despite being told several times that the premise of your assertion was flawed.

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Yeah "God is above time" is rhetorical nonsense. We live now. Elaine lives now. Why create her to suffer in hell? The moment she is born God knows it, yet God will do it anyway. Your all knowing god is very cruel.

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The Bible you claim to believe says that God is above time. (2 Pet. 3:8). It also says, in the very next verse, that Elaine was not predestined for Hell, but has the ability to choose.

You're right - we and Elaine live in linear time. We're not God. The fact of our living in linear time is irrelevant to the question of what God may know.

Oh, and just as a matter of curiosity - is the god you worship subject to linear time?

JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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No one has dealt with this argument.
if God creates Elaine with free will and knows that she will use that free will to reject Christ and go to hell.
Why would God create Elaine in the first place knowing she will suffer eternal damnation?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
And "God gave us free will!"
Why is God so cruel to humans that God supposedly loves?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
True or false for you?
You know that if you say "Yes." You lose.
God is beyond time. Big Deal. We and Elaine live in this time and space.

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I've already answered it at least twice.

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And I knocked it down twice. You failed to acknowledge that you were wrong.

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You haven't knocked anything down. You continue to repeat the same assertions over and over despite being told several times that the premise of your assertion was flawed.

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Yeah "God is above time" is rhetorical nonsense. We live now. Elaine lives now. Why create her to suffer in hell? The moment she is born God knows it, yet God will do it anyway. Your all knowing god is very cruel.

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The Bible you claim to believe says that God is above time. (2 Pet. 3:8). It also says, in the very next verse, that Elaine was not predestined for Hell, but has the ability to choose.

You're right - we and Elaine live in linear time. We're not God. The fact of our living in linear time is irrelevant to the question of what God may know.

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I already knocked the predestined notion. To know ahead is not the same intentionally causing (predestined)

Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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No one has dealt with this argument.
if God creates Elaine with free will and knows that she will use that free will to reject Christ and go to hell.
Why would God create Elaine in the first place knowing she will suffer eternal damnation?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
And "God gave us free will!"
Why is God so cruel to humans that God supposedly loves?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
True or false for you?
You know that if you say "Yes." You lose.
God is beyond time. Big Deal. We and Elaine live in this time and space.

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I've already answered it at least twice.

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And I knocked it down twice. You failed to acknowledge that you were wrong.

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You haven't knocked anything down. You continue to repeat the same assertions over and over despite being told several times that the premise of your assertion was flawed.

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Yeah "God is above time" is rhetorical nonsense. We live now. Elaine lives now. Why create her to suffer in hell? The moment she is born God knows it, yet God will do it anyway. Your all knowing god is very cruel.

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The Bible you claim to believe says that God is above time. (2 Pet. 3:8). It also says, in the very next verse, that Elaine was not predestined for Hell, but has the ability to choose.

You're right - we and Elaine live in linear time. We're not God. The fact of our living in linear time is irrelevant to the question of what God may know.

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I already knocked the predestined notion. To know ahead is not the same intentionally causing (predestined)

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You only "knocked it down" by confusing different concepts. If her destiny was known at birth, on a linear time scale, then she was necessarily predestined. But no one caused her to wind up in Hell other than her own choices.

JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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No one has dealt with this argument.
if God creates Elaine with free will and knows that she will use that free will to reject Christ and go to hell.
Why would God create Elaine in the first place knowing she will suffer eternal damnation?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
And "God gave us free will!"
Why is God so cruel to humans that God supposedly loves?
Remember the orthodox premise is "God is all knowing!"
True or false for you?
You know that if you say "Yes." You lose.
God is beyond time. Big Deal. We and Elaine live in this time and space.

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I've already answered it at least twice.

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And I knocked it down twice. You failed to acknowledge that you were wrong.

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You haven't knocked anything down. You continue to repeat the same assertions over and over despite being told several times that the premise of your assertion was flawed.

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Yeah "God is above time" is rhetorical nonsense. We live now. Elaine lives now. Why create her to suffer in hell? The moment she is born God knows it, yet God will do it anyway. Your all knowing god is very cruel.

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The Bible you claim to believe says that God is above time. (2 Pet. 3:8). It also says, in the very next verse, that Elaine was not predestined for Hell, but has the ability to choose.

You're right - we and Elaine live in linear time. We're not God. The fact of our living in linear time is irrelevant to the question of what God may know.

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I already knocked the predestined notion. To know ahead is not the same intentionally causing (predestined)

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You only "knocked it down" by confusing different concepts. If her destiny was known at birth, on a linear time scale, then she was necessarily predestined. But no one caused her to wind up in Hell other than her own choices.

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I knocked it by clarifying the two concepts. You confused them.
Predetermined is not already knowing.
What's at issue is God's "knowing." It is not God's predetermining.