President Trump just won with tariffs.
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Trump understands economic power .
Many people don't .
Many people don't .
Yep. It's all about leverage.Canada2017 said:
Trump understands economic power .
Many people don't .
Trump also fully understands that the USA is in a position to negotiate from strength in virtually all of these types of situations and he isn't at all ashamed or afraid to do so. It's a shock to a lot of people to have a POTUS that is ready, willing and able to unapologetically exercise the leverage that the USA has in these types of negotiations instead of being too timid or too afraid to do so. Yes, there's some risk involved - especially in the short term - but it will be more than worth it in the long run.
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
I'd much rather sacrifice in the short term to tackle a long term problem which has much worse consequences.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
Not everything is about money. It's our governments duty to protect it's citizens.
Actually, this is something our President and Mexico's President should have done without any economic threat. In the old days, we used to call it diplomacy.Doc Holliday said:I'd much rather sacrifice in the short term to tackle a long term problem which has much worse consequences.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
Not everything is about money. It's our governments duty to protect it's citizens.
The U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate need to get off their sorry asses and make an effort to fix this problem. Neither body seems to give a ***** Trump can't fix this by himself.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
I agree, but we both know that ain't happening.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Actually, this is something our President and Mexico's President should have done without any economic threat. In the old days, we used to call it diplomacy.Doc Holliday said:I'd much rather sacrifice in the short term to tackle a long term problem which has much worse consequences.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
Not everything is about money. It's our governments duty to protect it's citizens.
The U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate need to get off their sorry asses and make an effort to fix this problem. Neither body seems to give a ***** Trump can't fix this by himself.
Democrats have a firewall on immigration reform. Republicans want to perpetuate the problem to campaign and make money on.
You have to respect that POTUS is working with what he has at his disposal. At least he's making the effort and it appears to be working very well.
Dems will do something to destroy this, no way they are going to give Trump a big quick win on the border.
RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Interesting that you think hating tariffs is un-American. You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
I do not 'like' tariffs, but I recognize the purpose and need.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
You obviously think there is a unicorn somewhere which magically fixes these things.
You are correct that we will again disagree.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
There are two ways to get the same result.Oldbear83 said:I do not 'like' tariffs, but I recognize the purpose and need.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
You obviously think there is a unicorn somewhere which magically fixes these things.
You are correct that we will again disagree.
DONALD TRUMP: "President Obrador. Would you please be so kind to bring me a cerveza out of the fridge?"
or
DONALD TRUMP: "Hey A s shole. Get your ass up and bring me a beer or I am going to whip your ass!"
In the end, you get the same result but just go about it in a different way. It is not called a unicorn. It is called diplomacy. In my opinion, this newest tariff stunt was unnecessary drama, but I am pleased with the result.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
If Paul Ryan would have done his job we wouldn't be at this point. The GOP were cowards starting in 2017. Now the Dems are even worse in that they would rather see Trump not fulfill a campaign promise over the safety & health of illegals making a dangerous journey and American citizens (including Border patrol, etc) being harmed by dangerous illegals. It's embarrassing how leaders from both parties refuse to get things done that now all of us have to pay for w/ our tax dollars.
RD2: "It is called diplomacy."
I don't care what name you give your unicorn, the fact that nothing has been done to address the problem for literally decades means it was already overdue for us to use different weapons in our arsenal.
I don't care what name you give your unicorn, the fact that nothing has been done to address the problem for literally decades means it was already overdue for us to use different weapons in our arsenal.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Obviously you and Donald Trump think that taxing Americans is a "weapon in our arsenal". I don't believe it should be.Oldbear83 said:
RD2: "It is called diplomacy."
I don't care what name you give your unicorn, the fact that nothing has been done to address the problem for literally decades means it was already overdue for us to use different weapons in our arsenal.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
Tariffs worked fine for the US for a very long time, going back to George Washington himself.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Obviously you and Donald Trump think that taxing Americans is a "weapon in our arsenal". I don't believe it should be.Oldbear83 said:
RD2: "It is called diplomacy."
I don't care what name you give your unicorn, the fact that nothing has been done to address the problem for literally decades means it was already overdue for us to use different weapons in our arsenal.
Your paranoia of tariffs is like people who don't even want law enforcement to carry guns, in the naive belief the criminals will throw away their guns if we do. Same for tariffs; we have been forced to use tariffs because foreign leaders have robbed us when we played nice.
And I observe you have still failed to provide even one specific, practical option we have to protect our IP from Chinese thieves, or to stop Mexico from providing buses and swift passage through to the US for Guatemalan illegals.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Option A sounds sweet, except when they say "No" and their inaction is hurting the U.S. In such cases, I like Option B.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:There are two ways to get the same result.Oldbear83 said:I do not 'like' tariffs, but I recognize the purpose and need.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
You obviously think there is a unicorn somewhere which magically fixes these things.
You are correct that we will again disagree.
DONALD TRUMP: "President Obrador. Would you please be so kind to bring me a cerveza out of the fridge?"
or
DONALD TRUMP: "Hey A s shole. Get your ass up and bring me a beer or I am going to whip your ass!"
In the end, you get the same result but just go about it in a different way. It is not called a unicorn. It is called diplomacy. In my opinion, this newest tariff stunt was unnecessary drama, but I am pleased with the result.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Interesting that you think hating tariffs is un-American. You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
The argument against tariffs (as applied by Trump) is similar to the argument against enhanced interrogation. The naysayers claim the latter doesn't work because it only yields false confessions...when it's not confessions it's intended to yield, but actionable intelligence. The former is denigrated because long term use of tariffs under the guise of protectionism is bad (and it is) but that's not what short term targeted tariffs are being used for.
The tariffs you hate are straw men. Trump uses them to hurt foreign opponents in the short run and, like it or not, they work extraordinarily well in the short run for that purpose.
This may even top the historic North Korea agreement.
GolemIII said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Interesting that you think hating tariffs is un-American. You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
The argument against tariffs (as applied by Trump) is similar to the argument against enhanced interrogation. The naysayers claim the latter doesn't work because it only yields false confessions...when it's not confessions it's intended to yield, but actionable intelligence. The former is denigrated because long term use of tariffs under the guise of protectionism is bad (and it is) but that's not what short term targeted tariffs are being used for.
The tariffs you hate are straw men. Trump uses them to hurt foreign opponents in the short run and, like it or not, they work extraordinarily well in the short run for that purpose.
100% correct
After the Trump administration, our elected politicians will have a new weapon. They can just package and present new taxes as "tariffs". Americans hate taxes. They cost George H. Bush his second term for President. New tariffs are a sure fire way to increase tax revenue since most everybody,(even Republicans) seem to just love them.GolemIII said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Interesting that you think hating tariffs is un-American. You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
The argument against tariffs (as applied by Trump) is similar to the argument against enhanced interrogation. The naysayers claim the latter doesn't work because it only yields false confessions...when it's not confessions it's intended to yield, but actionable intelligence. The former is denigrated because long term use of tariffs under the guise of protectionism is bad (and it is) but that's not what short term targeted tariffs are being used for.
The tariffs you hate are straw men. Trump uses them to hurt foreign opponents in the short run and, like it or not, they work extraordinarily well in the short run for that purpose.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
For the record, I am all for enhanced interrogation and waterboarding. I don't think we use them enough. To say the argument against tariffs is similar to the argument against enhanced interrogation is kinda like saying Elizabeth Warren will win the Democratic nomination because zebras have black and white stripes. One really has nothing to do with the other.GolemIII said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Interesting that you think hating tariffs is un-American. You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
The argument against tariffs (as applied by Trump) is similar to the argument against enhanced interrogation. The naysayers claim the latter doesn't work because it only yields false confessions...when it's not confessions it's intended to yield, but actionable intelligence. The former is denigrated because long term use of tariffs under the guise of protectionism is bad (and it is) but that's not what short term targeted tariffs are being used for.
The tariffs you hate are straw men. Trump uses them to hurt foreign opponents in the short run and, like it or not, they work extraordinarily well in the short run for that purpose.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
Debbie Downer, ladies and gentlemen. She will be here posting as RD2 through January 2025.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:After the Trump administration, our elected politicians will have a new weapon. They can just package and present new taxes as "tariffs". Americans hate taxes. They cost George H. Bush his second term for President. New tariffs are a sure fire way to increase tax revenue since most everybody,(even Republicans) seem to just love them.GolemIII said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Interesting that you think hating tariffs is un-American. You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
The argument against tariffs (as applied by Trump) is similar to the argument against enhanced interrogation. The naysayers claim the latter doesn't work because it only yields false confessions...when it's not confessions it's intended to yield, but actionable intelligence. The former is denigrated because long term use of tariffs under the guise of protectionism is bad (and it is) but that's not what short term targeted tariffs are being used for.
The tariffs you hate are straw men. Trump uses them to hurt foreign opponents in the short run and, like it or not, they work extraordinarily well in the short run for that purpose.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
RD2 is always a worthwhile read in my book .
As a result of past catches of Cinque socks, I now find myself questioning newfound anti-Trumpers on this site and others
Right now I'm questioning Aliceinbubble and RD2
It might be wrong but we're dealing with a lowlife in this
Cinque/Jinx/Quash/etc character
Right now I'm questioning Aliceinbubble and RD2
It might be wrong but we're dealing with a lowlife in this
Cinque/Jinx/Quash/etc character
It's not that cinque has created new fake personas, it's more than some people put their personal desires ahead of good of the country, and cannot accept that President Trump means what he says about addressing threats to America.Florda_mike said:
As a result of past catches of Cinque socks, I now find myself questioning newfound anti-Trumpers on this site and others
Right now I'm questioning Aliceinbubble and RD2
It might be wrong but we're dealing with a lowlife in this
Cinque/Jinx/Quash/etc character
One thing I am very glad to see, is how Trump resists the use of military force as his first option, something Obama, Bush and Clinton did not do.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Actionable BS is still BS.GolemIII said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Interesting that you think hating tariffs is un-American. You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
The argument against tariffs (as applied by Trump) is similar to the argument against enhanced interrogation. The naysayers claim the latter doesn't work because it only yields false confessions...when it's not confessions it's intended to yield, but actionable intelligence. The former is denigrated because long term use of tariffs under the guise of protectionism is bad (and it is) but that's not what short term targeted tariffs are being used for.
The tariffs you hate are straw men. Trump uses them to hurt foreign opponents in the short run and, like it or not, they work extraordinarily well in the short run for that purpose.
I don't know which of these statements is more perplexing - that tariffs are new or that everyone loves them.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:After the Trump administration, our elected politicians will have a new weapon. They can just package and present new taxes as "tariffs". Americans hate taxes. They cost George H. Bush his second term for President. New tariffs are a sure fire way to increase tax revenue since most everybody,(even Republicans) seem to just love them.GolemIII said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Interesting that you think hating tariffs is un-American. You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
The argument against tariffs (as applied by Trump) is similar to the argument against enhanced interrogation. The naysayers claim the latter doesn't work because it only yields false confessions...when it's not confessions it's intended to yield, but actionable intelligence. The former is denigrated because long term use of tariffs under the guise of protectionism is bad (and it is) but that's not what short term targeted tariffs are being used for.
The tariffs you hate are straw men. Trump uses them to hurt foreign opponents in the short run and, like it or not, they work extraordinarily well in the short run for that purpose.
Oldbear83 said:It's not that cinque has created new fake personas, it's more than some people put their personal desires ahead of good of the country, and cannot accept that President Trump means what he says about addressing threats to America.Florda_mike said:
As a result of past catches of Cinque socks, I now find myself questioning newfound anti-Trumpers on this site and others
Right now I'm questioning Aliceinbubble and RD2
It might be wrong but we're dealing with a lowlife in this
Cinque/Jinx/Quash/etc character
One thing I am very glad to see, is how Trump resists the use of military force as his first option, something Obama, Bush and Clinton did not do.
Good point.
Economic retaliation beats the hell out of military action .
Bitter and deluded, you are.
Much you will resent next year's election.
Much you will resent next year's election.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier