Fox News Poll: Top Five Democrats Each Lead Trump Head To Head

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TexasScientist
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Trump is out polled head to head, anywhere from 1% to 10%, by each of the top five democrats according to a recent Fox News Poll.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-democrats-want-a-steady-leader-biden-leads-trump-by-10-points

A wide margin, 60% - 35%, of voters believe a politician with low ethical standards cannot be a good leader. The good news for Trump is, by 55% - 40% margin, voters believe its more important to share views on issues than to be highly ethical. Further, more voters would be enthusiastic and fewer would be scared, if Trump were reelected than in 2016.

What does this say about our culture and our society???
Mitch Blood Green
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TexasScientist said:

Trump is out polled head to head, anywhere from 1% to 10%, by each of the top five democrats according to a recent Fox News Poll.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-democrats-want-a-steady-leader-biden-leads-trump-by-10-points

A wide margin, 60% - 35%, of voters believe a politician with low ethical standards cannot be a good leader. The good news for Trump is, by 55% - 40% margin, voters believe its more important to share views on issues than to be highly ethical. Further, more voters would be enthusiastic and fewer would be scared, if Trump were reelected than in 2016.

What does this say about our culture and our society???


Fake news. BTW, I didn't read your link.
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TexasScientist said:

Trump is out polled head to head, anywhere from 1% to 10%, by each of the top five democrats according to a recent Fox News Poll.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-democrats-want-a-steady-leader-biden-leads-trump-by-10-points

A wide margin, 60% - 35%, of voters believe a politician with low ethical standards cannot be a good leader. The good news for Trump is, by 55% - 40% margin, voters believe its more important to share views on issues than to be highly ethical. Further, more voters would be enthusiastic and fewer would be scared, if Trump were reelected than in 2016.

What does this say about our culture and our society???


Says our society is still highly influenced by constant exposure to propaganda.
Waco1947
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Whose propaganda?
TexasScientist
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Fox News is now Fake news.
fadskier
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Hillary led the whole way...
Salute the Marines - Joe Biden
Waco1947
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Yep but we woke up. There is a tsunami of new registered voters.
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Waco1947 said:

Yep but we woke up. There is a tsunami of new registered voters.
and they're falling for the "free" guarantee...California is the new USA. Time for Texas to seriously think about #seceed
Salute the Marines - Joe Biden
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Waco1947 said:

Yep but we woke up. There is a tsunami of new voters.
Fixed it fer ya. From Honduras.....................Guatemala...............El Salvador..............Mexico...................................

Yeah, we get that.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

-- Barack Obama
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Waco1947 said:

Yep but we woke up. There is a tsunami of new voters.
Fixed it fer ya. From Honduras.....................Guatemala...............El Salvador..............Mexico...................................

Yeah, we get that.


Yeah the 'minister' is reveling in this new America coming down the pipeline .

The consequences of which he either doesn't understand or doesn't care .
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3 things:

  • Trump will always poll lower than he will actually perform because a lot of people will vote for Trump because he does not spout socialism and free this and free that like the other party but still wishing like hell there was an alternative
  • Trump is probably a loser to Biden as he is a palatable alternative to a lot of white swing voters in the key Blue States that he won over Hillary
  • If the Dems nominate any of the front runners not named Biden, they will lose to Trump because their extremism will be more negative than our current president who is an ok President despite being an absolutely lousy human being
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https://news.gallup.com/poll/148487/republican-candidate-extends-lead-obama.aspx
Oldbear83
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From the Fox article discussing the poll:

"The president's current standing is actually better than where he stood at this point in the cycle four years ago. In June 2015, Democrat Hillary Clinton was ahead of Trump by 17 points."

How many Democrats read that far, and considered the significance of that fact?
El Oso
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jimdue said:

3 things:

  • Trump will always poll lower than he will actually perform because a lot of people will vote for Trump because he does not spout socialism and free this and free that like the other party but still wishing like hell there was an alternative
  • Trump is probably a loser to Biden as he is a palatable alternative to a lot of white swing voters in the key Blue States that he won over Hillary
  • If the Dems nominate any of the front runners not named Biden, they will lose to Trump because their extremism will be more negative than our current president who is an ok President despite being an absolutely lousy human being

I think there's a lot of truth here.

Not many people who I interact with face to face know I voted for Trump in 2016. It's not a good thing to point out in business and certain friend circles.

Agree. I will vote Biden if he is on the ticket (and his running mate is not named Sanders, Beto, Warren or Harris). A few more may get added to that list as we go along.

I will vote Trump over any other name in that FOX poll and sleep just as well as I did the night I voted him over Clinton. (And every night since.)
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Oldbear83 said:

From the Fox article discussing the poll:

"The president's current standing is actually better than where he stood at this point in the cycle four years ago. In June 2015, Democrat Hillary Clinton was ahead of Trump by 17 points."

How many Democrats read that far, and considered the significance of that fact?
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Oldbear83 said:

From the Fox article discussing the poll:

"The president's current standing is actually better than where he stood at this point in the cycle four years ago. In June 2015, Democrat Hillary Clinton was ahead of Trump by 17 points."

How many Democrats read that far, and considered the significance of that fact?
Are you serious? Four years ago, he wasn't even the front-runner for the Republican nomination. Today, he's the incumbent, with all the trappings of the office.

The poll is far too early to mean anything, but if you're hanging your hat on "he's doing better than he was four years ago," I don't really know what to say. Except that you're either stupid or being silly.
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Canada2017 said:

TexasScientist said:

Trump is out polled head to head, anywhere from 1% to 10%, by each of the top five democrats according to a recent Fox News Poll.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-democrats-want-a-steady-leader-biden-leads-trump-by-10-points

A wide margin, 60% - 35%, of voters believe a politician with low ethical standards cannot be a good leader. The good news for Trump is, by 55% - 40% margin, voters believe its more important to share views on issues than to be highly ethical. Further, more voters would be enthusiastic and fewer would be scared, if Trump were reelected than in 2016.

What does this say about our culture and our society???


Says our society is still highly influenced by constant exposure to propaganda.
Yep - the constant 24/7 MSM inundation of negativity, lies and half truths about Trump will at a minimum have an impact. I still think in the end enough voters will vote with their pocket books (as has always been historically the case) and re-elect the President, but the constant and unrelenting application of the "big lie strategy" by the MSM will likely keep it from being the no brainer slam dunk that it otherwise would be.
Doc Holliday
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He's going to win in a landslide because Democrats have squeezed themselves to the radical left.

Dems will eventually capture that vote, but not yet.
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TexasScientist said:

Trump is out polled head to head, anywhere from 1% to 10%, by each of the top five democrats according to a recent Fox News Poll.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-democrats-want-a-steady-leader-biden-leads-trump-by-10-points

A wide margin, 60% - 35%, of voters believe a politician with low ethical standards cannot be a good leader. The good news for Trump is, by 55% - 40% margin, voters believe its more important to share views on issues than to be highly ethical. Further, more voters would be enthusiastic and fewer would be scared, if Trump were reelected than in 2016.

What does this say about our culture and our society???
Trump is out polled head to head? I think I remember hearing that before.
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Oldbear83
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pruritus_ani said:

Oldbear83 said:

From the Fox article discussing the poll:

"The president's current standing is actually better than where he stood at this point in the cycle four years ago. In June 2015, Democrat Hillary Clinton was ahead of Trump by 17 points."

How many Democrats read that far, and considered the significance of that fact?
Are you serious? Four years ago, he wasn't even the front-runner for the Republican nomination. Today, he's the incumbent, with all the trappings of the office.

The poll is far too early to mean anything, but if you're hanging your hat on "he's doing better than he was four years ago," I don't really know what to say. Except that you're either stupid or being silly.
OK then, go back and look at 2011 polls, 2007 polls or 2003 polls in each summer, and compare them to the actual election results.

You can be, to use your choice of words, "stupid or silly" all you want, but you better not confuse a June 2019 poll with any kind of predictive value.
Waco1947
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dt fired the polling people that showed him losing.
Doc Holliday
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Waco1947 said:

dt fired the polling people that showed him losing.
They were wrong were they not?
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Trump has over 100k reservations for his 2020 campaign kickoff in FL and Biden can barely get a few hundred people to show up for his events.

I'm sure these polls are spot on....again.

Waco1947
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"Signs are growing that voter turnout in 2020 could reach the highest levels in decadesif not the highest in the past centurywith a surge of new voters potentially producing the most diverse electorate in American history.

But paradoxically, that surge may not dislodge the central role of the predominantly white and heavily working-class voters who tipped the three Rust Belt states that decided 2016: Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Even amid a tide of new participation, those same voters could remain the tipping point of the 2020 election.

With Donald Trump's tumultuous presidency stirring such strong emotions among both supporters and opponents, strategists in both parties and academic experts are now bracing for what Michael McDonald, a University of Florida political scientist who specializes in voting behavior, recently called "a voter turnout storm of a century in 2020."

In a recent paper, the Democratic voter-targeting firm Catalist projected that about 156 million people could vote in 2020, an enormous increase from the 139 million who cast ballots in 2016. Likewise, Public Opinion Strategies, a leading Republican polling firm, recently forecast that the 2020 contest could produce a massive turnout that is also unprecedentedly diverse.

"I think we are heading for a record presidential turnout at least in the modern era, and by that I mean since the franchise went to 18-year-olds," in 1972, says Glen Bolger, a partner at Public Opinion Strategies. "And I mean not only in total numbers [but also] in terms of the percentage of eligible voters [who turn out]. The emotion behind politics is sky-high, and I don't think it's just on one side. I think it's on both sides." Ronald Brownstein
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Doc Holliday said:

Waco1947 said:

dt fired the polling people that showed him losing.
They were wrong were they not?
How were they wrong?
Oldbear83
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One of the most intriguing lessons from 2016, in part because it's already being ignored, is what happened with the polls. Since politics is intensely personal to a lot of people, it should not surprise anyone that both sides took what they wanted to see from the poll results; Trump supporters looked at all the media promising Hillary would win, and ignored that the final national polls were fairly close to the actual popular vote aggregate results, while Hillary supporters looked at the polls' aggregate numbers and forgot that Presidential elections, being federal, depend on specific state results and ignored warning signs in some of those polls. Both sides, to this day, tend to ignore the state polling and focus on national polls, despite what happened in 2016.
A good easy-to-use source is the website 270towin.com. That site kept track of the state polls and posted the average final poll result for each state here:

https://www.270towin.com/2016-polls-clinton-trump/

Here's where it gets interesting.

The aggregate result from the state polls predicted Trump would claim 44% of the Popular Vote (he won 46.1% in the actual election) while Hillary would claim 47% of the Popular Vote (she won 48.1% in the actual election, with around 5% of the vote going to other candidates (who actually won about 5%). But in the state polling, polls undercounted Hillary's support by more than 3% (standard MOE) in ten states while overcounting Hillary's support beyond the MOE in three states. For Trump, polls undercounted his support by more than the 3% MOE in forty states, and overcounted Trump's support in no state. And these state polls cited by 270towin.com were the final polls taken before the election.

Ignore that lesson at your peril.
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First of all, OldBear is right, it is way too early to take polls seriously.
I have been a respondent on a few polls, and the type of call they were making in this poll would be incredibly annoying. They would ask your preference in a contest between Biden and Trump, and then ask the same question for all of the other candidates. Now while there are some of the voting population that would vote for any living mammal not named Trump, I don't believe the results are a real picture, because half the respondents can't really prefer Seth Moulton because 95% of them have no idea who he is...

The numbers feed delusional thinking by some Democrats that "anyone" can beat Trump. The reality is Biden has a chance, and not really anyone else yet. Warren, Sanders, Harris would all report just lovely numbers in California, NY. There is not a single state Hillary lost that they will win.
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Johnny Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

TexasScientist said:

Trump is out polled head to head, anywhere from 1% to 10%, by each of the top five democrats according to a recent Fox News Poll.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-democrats-want-a-steady-leader-biden-leads-trump-by-10-points

A wide margin, 60% - 35%, of voters believe a politician with low ethical standards cannot be a good leader. The good news for Trump is, by 55% - 40% margin, voters believe its more important to share views on issues than to be highly ethical. Further, more voters would be enthusiastic and fewer would be scared, if Trump were reelected than in 2016.

What does this say about our culture and our society???


Says our society is still highly influenced by constant exposure to propaganda.
Yep - the constant 24/7 MSM inundation of negativity, lies and half truths about Trump will at a minimum have an impact. I still think in the end enough voters will vote with their pocket books (as has always been historically the case) and re-elect the President, but the constant and unrelenting application of the "big lie strategy" by the MSM will likely keep it from being the no brainer slam dunk that it otherwise would be.


I no longer believe that a strong economy will get Trump re elected .

The media will destroy him .
Waco1947
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The Trump political cult is a product of many things, including racism, nativism, social dominance behavior, death anxiety, malignant sexism, anti-intellectualism, Christian nationalism, political sadism, white privilege, the individually cathartic and identity-reinforcing power of violence, a decline in civic literacy, a failing educational system, economic inequality, a society drunk on spectacle and distraction, a social democracy under siege, and an irrational lust for revenge. Trumpism in action is right-wing authoritarianism unleashed in its crudest form.
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The Trump political cult is a product of many things, including
1 racism,
2 nativism,
3 social dominance behavior,
4 death anxiety,
5malignant sexism,
6anti-intellectualism,
7 Christian nationalism,
8 political sadism,
9 white privilege,
10 individually cathartic and identity-reinforcing power of violence, a
11 decline in civic literacy, a
12 failing educational system,
13 economic inequality, a
14 society drunk on spectacle and distraction,
15 a social democracy under siege, and
16 an irrational lust for revenge.
Trumpism in action is right-wing authoritarianism unleashed in its crudest form."
Chauncey DeVega
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Doc Holliday said:

Waco1947 said:

dt fired the polling people that showed him losing.
They were wrong were they not?
We don't know, he fired a couple of current pollsters. And not for showing him behind, but because they leaked it. He was right to fire them.

And how stupid, if you work for Trump and haven't figured out by now that his highest standard is loyalty to Trump Inc., then you deserve to be fired for cluelessness.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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Canada2017 said:

Johnny Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

TexasScientist said:

Trump is out polled head to head, anywhere from 1% to 10%, by each of the top five democrats according to a recent Fox News Poll.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-democrats-want-a-steady-leader-biden-leads-trump-by-10-points

A wide margin, 60% - 35%, of voters believe a politician with low ethical standards cannot be a good leader. The good news for Trump is, by 55% - 40% margin, voters believe its more important to share views on issues than to be highly ethical. Further, more voters would be enthusiastic and fewer would be scared, if Trump were reelected than in 2016.

What does this say about our culture and our society???


Says our society is still highly influenced by constant exposure to propaganda.
Yep - the constant 24/7 MSM inundation of negativity, lies and half truths about Trump will at a minimum have an impact. I still think in the end enough voters will vote with their pocket books (as has always been historically the case) and re-elect the President, but the constant and unrelenting application of the "big lie strategy" by the MSM will likely keep it from being the no brainer slam dunk that it otherwise would be.


I no longer believe that a strong economy will get Trump re elected .

The media will destroy him .
That's just it. The people who benefit most from this economy may vote for him . There are millions who are not benefiting and will not vote for him. The fact that he's not likely to get another two billion in free advertising will contribute to his well earned ouster.
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Canada2017 said:

Johnny Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

TexasScientist said:

Trump is out polled head to head, anywhere from 1% to 10%, by each of the top five democrats according to a recent Fox News Poll.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-democrats-want-a-steady-leader-biden-leads-trump-by-10-points

A wide margin, 60% - 35%, of voters believe a politician with low ethical standards cannot be a good leader. The good news for Trump is, by 55% - 40% margin, voters believe its more important to share views on issues than to be highly ethical. Further, more voters would be enthusiastic and fewer would be scared, if Trump were reelected than in 2016.

What does this say about our culture and our society???


Says our society is still highly influenced by constant exposure to propaganda.
Yep - the constant 24/7 MSM inundation of negativity, lies and half truths about Trump will at a minimum have an impact. I still think in the end enough voters will vote with their pocket books (as has always been historically the case) and re-elect the President, but the constant and unrelenting application of the "big lie strategy" by the MSM will likely keep it from being the no brainer slam dunk that it otherwise would be.


I no longer believe that a strong economy will get Trump re elected .

The media will destroy him .
The same media that went all-out to keep him from winning in 2016?

The same media that tried to make his SCOTUS nominees look like Nazis?

One thing you should understand about polls, is when and how they work. Polls taken in the last weeks of a general election are very different from polls taken during primaries, and polls taken more than a year from the election are taken for very different reasons than the others.

The media - all media - exist to create attention to their stories. And people answering polls in June 2019 should not be understood to think the same way people will in October 2020.

I'm old enough to remember how the media went after Reagan. I have read enough to know how they went after Goldwater in 1964. I know that the Washington Post has never endorsed a Republican for President, and the New York Times last did it for Eisenhower (yes, the WaPo wouldn't even support Ike!).

This is not new at all, it's just a new flavor and it will succeed only so far as Americans allow it to go. The thing about Trump that people miss, is that while some will desert him because of the media war since 2016, others will be on board because he surprised them by keeping his promises after getting elected.

Read through those polls, and notice that none of them ask if the respondents are happy with the Supreme Court picks, or feel good about their job situations. There are no questions asking if they like the change in tax structure.

The questions asked are the things liberals care about, like abortion rights and whether Trump can be trusted. Those kinds of questions won't be liked in places like Nebraska or West Virginia, meaning the results will be skewed by the wording chosen.

These are not polls designed to check the real mood of voters. It's advertising, nothing better.
El Oso
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The critical issue isnt how many new voters there are.

What matters is WHERE those new voters will be voting.

Seems someone still hasnt learned about the electoral college.
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