Man incites a group of teenagers to commit a murder and film it

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GoneGirl
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He claimed to be a millionaire but was actually a 21-year-old kid from Indiana. He has also been accused of murder.

This fits into the "morally bankrupt" department.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/06/17/cynthia-hoffman-murder-friends-million-catfished/?utm_term=.924b5ba7f1e3&wpisrc=nl_mix&wpmm=1

Authorities said Friday that Brehmer, 18, orchestrated the murder and recruited four friends to help her, thinking that a man who she met on the Internet would pay her $9 million or more for filming it. While officials haven't said why Cynthia, who went by "CeeCee," was targeted, her family told the Daily News that she had a developmental disability that caused her to operate intellectually at a seventh-grade level, and likely made her vulnerable.

According to court documents obtained by the Daily News, Brehmer had formed an online relationship with a man who called himself "Tyler," and claimed to be from Kansas. He had convinced her that he was a millionaire, and offered to pay her $9 million or more to "rape and murder someone in Alaska," then send him videos and photographs.

Brehmer agreed to the arrangement, court documents say. She allegedly recruited four of her friends to help her, offering them a cut of the money if they helped orchestrate and carry out the murder.

On June 2, Brehmer and 16-year-old Kayden McIntosh borrowed a friend's car to pick up Cynthia and drove with her to the northern outskirts of Anchorage, claiming that they were going to go hiking, authorities allege. They brought the 19-year-old to the Thunderbird Falls trail, a popular hiking path that cuts through a mile of birch forest before reaching a spectacular 200-foot waterfall. But instead of heading for the falls, they abandoned the trail and followed another path that ran alongside the Eklutna River, walking until they found an isolated clearing.

The teenagers bound Cynthia's hands, feet and mouth with duct tape, according to prosecutors. Once she was restrained, McIntosh allegedly took Brehmer's 9mm handgun and shot her in the back of the head. They left her body in the river.

"I'm sorry everybody, my family, my friends," Brehmer reportedly said in a video that she posted on Snapchat afterward. "I guess you will hear from me when you hear from me, but I won't be back for a long time. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to do it."

It wasn't until later that Brehmer learned that she had been catfished, prosecutors say. All along, she had been sending photos and videos to "Tyler," not knowing that his name was actually Darin Schilmiller a 21-year-old who lived in Indiana instead of Kansas, looked nothing like the photo he had sent her online and wasn't a millionaire. When first questioned by police on June 6, two days after Cynthia's body was found, Brehmer allegedly claimed that the three teenagers Cynthia, McIntosh and herself had gone to Thunderbird Falls to take pictures of each other wrapped in duct tape. She said that she had no idea that McIntosh planned to shoot the 19-year-old.

Further investigation yielded a stomach-churning discovery. Police got a search warrant for Brehmer's iPhone, and found child pornography "in plain view," court records obtained by Alaska Public Media said. In a text message conversation with Schilmiller, who was identified as "Babe" in her contact list, she had detailed her plans to sexually assault a teenage girl and film it for him.
"Gonna go buy weed first," Brehmer wrote, according to court documents. "I wanna get her high for it so she doesn't fight me."

Later in the conversation, Schilmiller allegedly told Brehmer that he wished he had never "made a deal" with her in the first place. "[W]e can meet but once I see a cop I'm telling him or her that I made you rape people and killed cece," he wrote, apparently referencing Cynthia's nickname.

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contrario
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So many sick people out there.
YoakDaddy
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Totally sick.
Canada2017
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Cruel beyond words .

Hope everyone involved gets life imprisonment without the possibly of parole.

Jack and DP
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https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article231599988.html
Mitch Blood Green
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Jack and DP said:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article231599988.html


So, he was saving people from rape?
Jack and DP
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tommie said:

Jack and DP said:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article231599988.html


So, he was saving people from rape?


By raping the pool floats.
Mitch Blood Green
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Jack and DP said:

tommie said:

Jack and DP said:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article231599988.html


So, he was saving people from rape?


By raping the pool floats.


I hope he wore a condom.
GoneGirl
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Jack and DP said:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article231599988.html
Sort of a victimless crime. With a really high "Ew" factor.

Whereas the Alaska thing says something about the infectiousness of base cruelty that's as scary as the idiot in Wisconsin who murdered a 13-year-old girl's parents and then forced her to spend most of her time hiding under his bed, thinking he could keep her prisoner indefinitely in a way similar to the Jaycee Dugard case in Southern California.
Jack and DP
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Jinx 2 said:

Jack and DP said:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article231599988.html
Sort of a victimless crime. With a really high "Ew" factor.

Whereas the Alaska thing says something about the infectiousness of base cruelty that's as scary as the idiot in Wisconsin who murdered a 13-year-old girl's parents and then forced her to spend most of her time hiding under his bed, thinking he could keep her prisoner indefinitely in a way similar to the Jaycee Dugard case in Southern California.


And you used to post here as a middle aged man. Life's weird.
Canada2017
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Jack and DP said:

Jinx 2 said:

Jack and DP said:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article231599988.html
Sort of a victimless crime. With a really high "Ew" factor.

Whereas the Alaska thing says something about the infectiousness of base cruelty that's as scary as the idiot in Wisconsin who murdered a 13-year-old girl's parents and then forced her to spend most of her time hiding under his bed, thinking he could keep her prisoner indefinitely in a way similar to the Jaycee Dugard case in Southern California.


And you used to post here as a middle aged man. Life's weird.


Proof anxiety medication has its drawbacks.
BaylorFTW
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This is the kind of stuff that happens when you get further away from God. At least 5 separate people were involved and nobody thought, "Hey this is a really bad idea." This is why we should support and encourage God's laws. Just off the top of my head:

1. I see the worshipping of money instead of God.
2. An attempt to kill someone.
3. Lust through child pornography and a snuff film
4 Not being sober minded by using weed and who knows what else
5. Lying from the ring leader who encouraged this plot wasn't who he claimed to be.
6. Not loving their neighbor as thyself as they tried to kill a developmentally challenged person.
7. And if the ring leader is to be believed on this point, he encouraged the others to rape some people too.

GoneGirl
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BaylorFTW said:

This is the kind of stuff that happens when you get further away from God. At least 5 separate people were involved and nobody thought, "Hey this is a really bad idea." This is why we should support and encourage God's laws. Just off the top of my head:

1. I see the worshipping of money instead of God.
2. An attempt to kill someone.
3. Lust through child pornography and a snuff film
4 Not being sober minded by using weed and who knows what else
5. Lying from the ring leader who encouraged this plot wasn't who he claimed to be.
6. Not loving their neighbor as thyself as they tried to kill a developmentally challenged person.
7. And if the ring leader is to be believed on this point, he encouraged the others to rape some people too.


How about no real adult involvement and supervision?
Malbec
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Jinx 2 said:

Jack and DP said:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article231599988.html
Sort of a victimless crime. With a really high "Ew" factor.

Whereas the Alaska thing says something about the infectiousness of base cruelty that's as scary as the idiot in Wisconsin who murdered a 13-year-old girl's parents and then forced her to spend most of her time hiding under his bed, thinking he could keep her prisoner indefinitely in a way similar to the Jaycee Dugard case in Southern California.
Yeah, property theft, vandalism, burglary and trespassing are pretty much "victimless crimes." Doh!
GoneGirl
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Malbec said:

Jinx 2 said:

Jack and DP said:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article231599988.html
Sort of a victimless crime. With a really high "Ew" factor.

Whereas the Alaska thing says something about the infectiousness of base cruelty that's as scary as the idiot in Wisconsin who murdered a 13-year-old girl's parents and then forced her to spend most of her time hiding under his bed, thinking he could keep her prisoner indefinitely in a way similar to the Jaycee Dugard case in Southern California.
Yeah, property theft, vandalism, burglary and trespassing are pretty much "victimless crimes." Doh!
One guy stole floaties off people's porches.

Another incited a soulless group of teens to execute a disabled girl.

Seriously, which of those crimes do you think is worse?
Malbec
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Jinx 2 said:

Malbec said:

Jinx 2 said:

Jack and DP said:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article231599988.html
Sort of a victimless crime. With a really high "Ew" factor.

Whereas the Alaska thing says something about the infectiousness of base cruelty that's as scary as the idiot in Wisconsin who murdered a 13-year-old girl's parents and then forced her to spend most of her time hiding under his bed, thinking he could keep her prisoner indefinitely in a way similar to the Jaycee Dugard case in Southern California.
Yeah, property theft, vandalism, burglary and trespassing are pretty much "victimless crimes." Doh!
One guy stole floaties off people's porches.

Another incited a soulless group of teens to execute a disabled girl.

Seriously, which of those crimes do you think is worse?
It's not a question of severity. The man did more than steal floaties. He cut into screened pool patios, destroying property that had to be repaired and replaced. He broke into a vacant home and stored his contaminated trophies in someone else's house. Sure, the property was recovered, but would you want those floaties back? The point is....his crimes had victims. Maybe they didn't suffer the way other victims did, but that doesn't make the crime "victimless" by any stretch of the imagination. Would you suggest that a bank that was robbed of $200 was a victimless crime, because the bank across the street was robbed of $50,000 and a teller was shot? Stop excusing crime.
BaylorFTW
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Jinx 2 said:

BaylorFTW said:

This is the kind of stuff that happens when you get further away from God. At least 5 separate people were involved and nobody thought, "Hey this is a really bad idea." This is why we should support and encourage God's laws. Just off the top of my head:

1. I see the worshipping of money instead of God.
2. An attempt to kill someone.
3. Lust through child pornography and a snuff film
4 Not being sober minded by using weed and who knows what else
5. Lying from the ring leader who encouraged this plot wasn't who he claimed to be.
6. Not loving their neighbor as thyself as they tried to kill a developmentally challenged person.
7. And if the ring leader is to be believed on this point, he encouraged the others to rape some people too.


How about no real adult involvement and supervision?
I think it is very likely that these young people did not have strong adult involvement and supervision.
Of course, a number of these things are things the young people should know are wrong and not need to be told. It is an open question on what is the age of accountability by God's standard. Some believe the age of accountability of young people is 20 years old but others say around 12 or 13. The bible doesn't explicitly say when the age of accountability is but I think it is younger than 20 for most people. https://bible.org/question/what-does-bible-say-about-age-accountability

GoneGirl
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Malbec said:

Jinx 2 said:

Malbec said:

Jinx 2 said:

Jack and DP said:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article231599988.html
Sort of a victimless crime. With a really high "Ew" factor.

Whereas the Alaska thing says something about the infectiousness of base cruelty that's as scary as the idiot in Wisconsin who murdered a 13-year-old girl's parents and then forced her to spend most of her time hiding under his bed, thinking he could keep her prisoner indefinitely in a way similar to the Jaycee Dugard case in Southern California.
Yeah, property theft, vandalism, burglary and trespassing are pretty much "victimless crimes." Doh!
One guy stole floaties off people's porches.

Another incited a soulless group of teens to execute a disabled girl.

Seriously, which of those crimes do you think is worse?
It's not a question of severity. The man did more than steal floaties. He cut into screened pool patios, destroying property that had to be repaired and replaced. He broke into a vacant home and stored his contaminated trophies in someone else's house. Sure, the property was recovered, but would you want those floaties back? The point is....his crimes had victims. Maybe they didn't suffer the way other victims did, but that doesn't make the crime "victimless" by any stretch of the imagination. Would you suggest that a bank that was robbed of $200 was a victimless crime, because the bank across the street was robbed of $50,000 and a teller was shot? Stop excusing crime.
Eyeroll. You compared petty theft to a cold-blooded murder. That's just dumb.
BaylorFTW
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Jinx 2 said:

Malbec said:

Jinx 2 said:

Jack and DP said:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article231599988.html
Sort of a victimless crime. With a really high "Ew" factor.

Whereas the Alaska thing says something about the infectiousness of base cruelty that's as scary as the idiot in Wisconsin who murdered a 13-year-old girl's parents and then forced her to spend most of her time hiding under his bed, thinking he could keep her prisoner indefinitely in a way similar to the Jaycee Dugard case in Southern California.
Yeah, property theft, vandalism, burglary and trespassing are pretty much "victimless crimes." Doh!
One guy stole floaties off people's porches.

Another incited a soulless group of teens to execute a disabled girl.

Seriously, which of those crimes do you think is worse?
The bible says in James 2:10 "If you have committed one sin you are guilty of all." This doesn't mean that all sins are equally bad because certain sins have more collateral damage or a greater negative impact. But a sin is still a sin. Are all sins equal to God? Yes and no. In severity? No. In penalty? Yes. In forgivability? Yes.
GoneGirl
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BaylorFTW said:

Jinx 2 said:

BaylorFTW said:

This is the kind of stuff that happens when you get further away from God. At least 5 separate people were involved and nobody thought, "Hey this is a really bad idea." This is why we should support and encourage God's laws. Just off the top of my head:

1. I see the worshipping of money instead of God.
2. An attempt to kill someone.
3. Lust through child pornography and a snuff film
4 Not being sober minded by using weed and who knows what else
5. Lying from the ring leader who encouraged this plot wasn't who he claimed to be.
6. Not loving their neighbor as thyself as they tried to kill a developmentally challenged person.
7. And if the ring leader is to be believed on this point, he encouraged the others to rape some people too.


How about no real adult involvement and supervision?
I think it is very likely that these young people did not have strong adult involvement and supervision.
Of course, a number of these things are things the young people should know are wrong and not need to be told. It is an open question on what is the age of accountability by God's standard. Some believe the age of accountability of young people is 20 years old but others say around 12 or 13. The bible doesn't explicitly say when the age of accountability is but I think it is younger than 20 for most people. https://bible.org/question/what-does-bible-say-about-age-accountability


One issue is that the age of accountability may vary based on the person. Our objective standard in the U.S. is 18. You commit a crime the day before your 18th birthday; you're still a juvenile and may face less harsh consequences. Commit a crime the day after your birthday, and you're an adult.

Brain development continues until age 25. Perhaps we should have an intermediate period.

The kids who did this crime don't sound mature in the least. When I read a story like this, I wonder if the parents ever asked the kids what they were doing online. And the 21-year-old boy who egged the girl on could have dared her to do something good instead of something heinous.
Malbec
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Jinx 2 said:

Malbec said:

Jinx 2 said:

Malbec said:

Jinx 2 said:

Jack and DP said:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article231599988.html
Sort of a victimless crime. With a really high "Ew" factor.

Whereas the Alaska thing says something about the infectiousness of base cruelty that's as scary as the idiot in Wisconsin who murdered a 13-year-old girl's parents and then forced her to spend most of her time hiding under his bed, thinking he could keep her prisoner indefinitely in a way similar to the Jaycee Dugard case in Southern California.
Yeah, property theft, vandalism, burglary and trespassing are pretty much "victimless crimes." Doh!
One guy stole floaties off people's porches.

Another incited a soulless group of teens to execute a disabled girl.

Seriously, which of those crimes do you think is worse?
It's not a question of severity. The man did more than steal floaties. He cut into screened pool patios, destroying property that had to be repaired and replaced. He broke into a vacant home and stored his contaminated trophies in someone else's house. Sure, the property was recovered, but would you want those floaties back? The point is....his crimes had victims. Maybe they didn't suffer the way other victims did, but that doesn't make the crime "victimless" by any stretch of the imagination. Would you suggest that a bank that was robbed of $200 was a victimless crime, because the bank across the street was robbed of $50,000 and a teller was shot? Stop excusing crime.
Eyeroll. You compared petty theft to a cold-blooded murder. That's just dumb.
Bull****. I didn't compare anything to cold-blooded murder. You did that. I only commented on one crime. The one YOU called "victimless." Stop trying to deflect from your tolerance of crime.
BaylorFTW
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Jinx 2 said:

BaylorFTW said:

Jinx 2 said:

BaylorFTW said:

This is the kind of stuff that happens when you get further away from God. At least 5 separate people were involved and nobody thought, "Hey this is a really bad idea." This is why we should support and encourage God's laws. Just off the top of my head:

1. I see the worshipping of money instead of God.
2. An attempt to kill someone.
3. Lust through child pornography and a snuff film
4 Not being sober minded by using weed and who knows what else
5. Lying from the ring leader who encouraged this plot wasn't who he claimed to be.
6. Not loving their neighbor as thyself as they tried to kill a developmentally challenged person.
7. And if the ring leader is to be believed on this point, he encouraged the others to rape some people too.


How about no real adult involvement and supervision?
I think it is very likely that these young people did not have strong adult involvement and supervision.
Of course, a number of these things are things the young people should know are wrong and not need to be told. It is an open question on what is the age of accountability by God's standard. Some believe the age of accountability of young people is 20 years old but others say around 12 or 13. The bible doesn't explicitly say when the age of accountability is but I think it is younger than 20 for most people. https://bible.org/question/what-does-bible-say-about-age-accountability


One issue is that the age of accountability may vary based on the person. Our objective standard in the U.S. is 18. You commit a crime the day before your 18th birthday; you're still a juvenile and may face less harsh consequences. Commit a crime the day after your birthday, and you're an adult.

Brain development continues until age 25. Perhaps we should have an intermediate period.

The kids who did this crime don't sound mature in the least. When I read a story like this, I wonder if the parents ever asked the kids what they were doing online. And the 21-year-old boy who egged the girl on could have dared her to do something good instead of something heinous.
I get what you are saying but the trouble makers were what 18 and 16 years old along with the 21 year old ring leader. Unless you have some developmental issue, how old do you have to be to know that murder, rape and child pornography are wrong? I do like to think if our society was more moralistic and honoring God that we would see less incidents like these as the young people would have received more moralistic reinforcement and thus had greater internal conflict when such a scenario presented itself and thus be not be willing to go along with it. In this case, the idea of money was all it took for them to be willing to do all these bad acts.
GoneGirl
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BaylorFTW said:

Jinx 2 said:

BaylorFTW said:

Jinx 2 said:

BaylorFTW said:

This is the kind of stuff that happens when you get further away from God. At least 5 separate people were involved and nobody thought, "Hey this is a really bad idea." This is why we should support and encourage God's laws. Just off the top of my head:

1. I see the worshipping of money instead of God.
2. An attempt to kill someone.
3. Lust through child pornography and a snuff film
4 Not being sober minded by using weed and who knows what else
5. Lying from the ring leader who encouraged this plot wasn't who he claimed to be.
6. Not loving their neighbor as thyself as they tried to kill a developmentally challenged person.
7. And if the ring leader is to be believed on this point, he encouraged the others to rape some people too.


How about no real adult involvement and supervision?
I think it is very likely that these young people did not have strong adult involvement and supervision.
Of course, a number of these things are things the young people should know are wrong and not need to be told. It is an open question on what is the age of accountability by God's standard. Some believe the age of accountability of young people is 20 years old but others say around 12 or 13. The bible doesn't explicitly say when the age of accountability is but I think it is younger than 20 for most people. https://bible.org/question/what-does-bible-say-about-age-accountability


One issue is that the age of accountability may vary based on the person. Our objective standard in the U.S. is 18. You commit a crime the day before your 18th birthday; you're still a juvenile and may face less harsh consequences. Commit a crime the day after your birthday, and you're an adult.

Brain development continues until age 25. Perhaps we should have an intermediate period.

The kids who did this crime don't sound mature in the least. When I read a story like this, I wonder if the parents ever asked the kids what they were doing online. And the 21-year-old boy who egged the girl on could have dared her to do something good instead of something heinous.
I get what you are saying but the trouble makers were what 18 and 16 years old along with the 21 year old ring leader. Unless you have some developmental issue, how old do you have to be to know that murder, rape and child pornography are wrong? I do like to think if our society was more moralistic and honoring God that we would see less incidents like these as the young people would have received more moralistic reinforcement and thus had greater internal conflict when such a scenario presented itself and thus be not be willing to go along with it. In this case, the idea of money was all it took for them to be willing to do all these bad acts.
I'm definitely not saying anyone involved in this scheme should get off easily. Someone who would (1) believe that a guy you're communicating with on the Internet is going to pay you millions to kill somebody and (2) recruit helpers, callously choose a victim and kill a girl in cold blood for money, is a danger to society. And so is anyone who would go along with such a scheme or incite it. My guess is the juvenile participants will be tried as adults.
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