JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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JXL said:

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Waco1947 said:

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JXL: Read the text carefully 19:3 Some Pharisees wanted to test Jesus. They came up to him and asked, "Is it right for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?"

The question was not "Can a man divorce his man?"

A Bible student like you should be more careful

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That's correct, the specific context of Jesus' statement was a question about divorce.

But in order to have a divorce, you first have to have what? A marriage!

And specifically the question was about man and a woman, not man and man; or woman and woman. Jesus, answered the question asked him about a man - woman marriage. That's a literal answer. I am sorry the text doe3s not support your bias. Well not really sorry. I am sorry that you are biased against LGBTQ because of your narrow religious upbringing.
If you really believe the Bible and Matthew 19 then you have to acknowledge that Jesus was asked a man and woman and He answered accordingly.

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Try again.

Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator made them male and female, 5 and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and will be united with his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?

From the beginning God created man and woman, and for this reason (ie the creation of man and woman) a man will leave his parents and marry a woman.

Your interpretation says that because God created man and woman, a man will marry another man, which makes no sense. Why would the creation of man and woman be a reason for a man to marry another man?

If it had been up to me I would have created a system of civil unions to allow gay couples to have all of the legal rights of straight married couples. But let's not pretend it's any sort of Biblical marriage.

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bearassnekkid said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Made them man and woman. Simply descriptive of gender

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Wait. You mean it didn't describe the other 37 genders? Are you saying there's only TWO genders!!?? What gives?
Two genders but masculinity and femininity are separate concepts and the line between them is fluid.

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bearassnekkid said:

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xiledinok said:

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How many plan to punish Baylor by refusing to send your kids to Baylor because of them admitting to the pews that homosexuality actually exists at a place like Baylor?
What minor league Baptist colleges will you consider instead of BU?

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Are you feeling ok? You keep repeating this same thing over and over again, and it's like you're having an argument with yourself.

Nobody. Has. Ever. Argued. That. Homosexuals. Don't. Exist. At. Baylor.

Please read that 20 more times, and say it loud each time so it really sinks in. You are making an irrelevant point that no one disputes or even cares about.

Pre-marital sex exists at Baylor. Drunkenness exists at Baylor. Liars exist at Baylor. Greedy people exist at Baylor. Porn exists at Baylor. SO THE HELL WHAT. The point is that the University doesn't formally recognize, sanction, endorse, and facilitate "groups" who wish to celebrate and tout and participate in those behaviors. That's what this is about. Is Baylor going to condone and facilitate Biblical sin by formally encouraging and "welcoming" and "including" etc etc etc groups who participate in it or "orient" around it, yada yada. Not whether they "exist." That is a non-issue.

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bearassnekkid said:

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Waco1947 said:

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bearassnekkid said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Made them man and woman. Simply descriptive of gender

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Wait. You mean it didn't describe the other 37 genders? Are you saying there's only TWO genders!!?? What gives?
Two genders but masculinity and femininity are separate concepts and the line between them is fluid.

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I am literally begging you to learn how to use the quote feature on this site.

Ok, so there are two genders, and the Bible says those two genders are to marry each other. What does it say about one gender marrying the same gender? I know it speaks about how detestable it is for one gender to "lie with" the same gender, so it seems to pretty clearly disapprove of same gender relations. But maybe it carves out an exception for loving relationships and marriages. Can you point me to that verse?

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xiledinok said:

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bearassnekkid said:

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xiledinok said:

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How many plan to punish Baylor by refusing to send your kids to Baylor because of them admitting to the pews that homosexuality actually exists at a place like Baylor?
What minor league Baptist colleges will you consider instead of BU?

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Are you feeling ok? You keep repeating this same thing over and over again, and it's like you're having an argument with yourself.

Nobody. Has. Ever. Argued. That. Homosexuals. Don't. Exist. At. Baylor.

Please read that 20 more times, and say it loud each time so it really sinks in. You are making an irrelevant point that no one disputes or even cares about.

Pre-marital sex exists at Baylor. Drunkenness exists at Baylor. Liars exist at Baylor. Greedy people exist at Baylor. Porn exists at Baylor. SO THE HELL WHAT. The point is that the University doesn't formally recognize, sanction, endorse, and facilitate "groups" who wish to celebrate and tout and participate in those behaviors. That's what this is about. Is Baylor going to condone and facilitate Biblical sin by formally encouraging and "welcoming" and "including" etc etc etc groups who participate in it or "orient" around it, yada yada. Not whether they "exist." That is a non-issue.

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It's not going to effect the brand. The general alumni don't care. It's towards the bottom of the list concerning improving the school. It's all how you view Baylor.

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bearassnekkid said:

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Waco1947 said:

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bearassnekkid said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Made them man and woman. Simply descriptive of gender

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Wait. You mean it didn't describe the other 37 genders? Are you saying there's only TWO genders!!?? What gives?
Two genders but masculinity and femininity are separate concepts and the line between them is fluid.

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I am literally begging you to learn how to use the quote feature on this site.

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xiledinok said:

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How many plan to punish Baylor by refusing to send your kids to Baylor because of them admitting to the pews that homosexuality actually exists at a place like Baylor?
What minor league Baptist colleges will you consider instead of BU?

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Florda_mike said:

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xiledinok said:

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bearassnekkid said:

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xiledinok said:

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How many plan to punish Baylor by refusing to send your kids to Baylor because of them admitting to the pews that homosexuality actually exists at a place like Baylor?
What minor league Baptist colleges will you consider instead of BU?

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Are you feeling ok? You keep repeating this same thing over and over again, and it's like you're having an argument with yourself.

Nobody. Has. Ever. Argued. That. Homosexuals. Don't. Exist. At. Baylor.

Please read that 20 more times, and say it loud each time so it really sinks in. You are making an irrelevant point that no one disputes or even cares about.

Pre-marital sex exists at Baylor. Drunkenness exists at Baylor. Liars exist at Baylor. Greedy people exist at Baylor. Porn exists at Baylor. SO THE HELL WHAT. The point is that the University doesn't formally recognize, sanction, endorse, and facilitate "groups" who wish to celebrate and tout and participate in those behaviors. That's what this is about. Is Baylor going to condone and facilitate Biblical sin by formally encouraging and "welcoming" and "including" etc etc etc groups who participate in it or "orient" around it, yada yada. Not whether they "exist." That is a non-issue.

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It's not going to effect the brand. The general alumni don't care. It's towards the bottom of the list concerning improving the school. It's all how you view Baylor.

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^^^ You completely missed his point

I'm not surprised though

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xiledinok said:

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Florda_mike said:

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xiledinok said:

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bearassnekkid said:

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xiledinok said:

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How many plan to punish Baylor by refusing to send your kids to Baylor because of them admitting to the pews that homosexuality actually exists at a place like Baylor?
What minor league Baptist colleges will you consider instead of BU?

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Are you feeling ok? You keep repeating this same thing over and over again, and it's like you're having an argument with yourself.

Nobody. Has. Ever. Argued. That. Homosexuals. Don't. Exist. At. Baylor.

Please read that 20 more times, and say it loud each time so it really sinks in. You are making an irrelevant point that no one disputes or even cares about.

Pre-marital sex exists at Baylor. Drunkenness exists at Baylor. Liars exist at Baylor. Greedy people exist at Baylor. Porn exists at Baylor. SO THE HELL WHAT. The point is that the University doesn't formally recognize, sanction, endorse, and facilitate "groups" who wish to celebrate and tout and participate in those behaviors. That's what this is about. Is Baylor going to condone and facilitate Biblical sin by formally encouraging and "welcoming" and "including" etc etc etc groups who participate in it or "orient" around it, yada yada. Not whether they "exist." That is a non-issue.

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It's not going to effect the brand. The general alumni don't care. It's towards the bottom of the list concerning improving the school. It's all how you view Baylor.

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^^^ You completely missed his point

I'm not surprised though

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Don't care. I get the fact some will not like it.

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Edmond Bear said:

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xiledinok said:

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Florda_mike said:

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xiledinok said:

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bearassnekkid said:

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xiledinok said:

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How many plan to punish Baylor by refusing to send your kids to Baylor because of them admitting to the pews that homosexuality actually exists at a place like Baylor?
What minor league Baptist colleges will you consider instead of BU?

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Are you feeling ok? You keep repeating this same thing over and over again, and it's like you're having an argument with yourself.

Nobody. Has. Ever. Argued. That. Homosexuals. Don't. Exist. At. Baylor.

Please read that 20 more times, and say it loud each time so it really sinks in. You are making an irrelevant point that no one disputes or even cares about.

Pre-marital sex exists at Baylor. Drunkenness exists at Baylor. Liars exist at Baylor. Greedy people exist at Baylor. Porn exists at Baylor. SO THE HELL WHAT. The point is that the University doesn't formally recognize, sanction, endorse, and facilitate "groups" who wish to celebrate and tout and participate in those behaviors. That's what this is about. Is Baylor going to condone and facilitate Biblical sin by formally encouraging and "welcoming" and "including" etc etc etc groups who participate in it or "orient" around it, yada yada. Not whether they "exist." That is a non-issue.

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It's not going to effect the brand. The general alumni don't care. It's towards the bottom of the list concerning improving the school. It's all how you view Baylor.

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^^^ You completely missed his point

I'm not surprised though

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Don't care. I get the fact some will not like it.

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Who? No one is arguing that there are not homosexuals at Baylor. Even blue hairs know it.

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Waco1947 said:

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Made them man and woman. Simply descriptive of gender

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PartyBear said:

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If y'all were seriously sincerely rigid adherents to what ancient people thought, you would be raising issues about shrimp being served in the cafeterias. Stop picking and choosing what to ignore as to what ancient people wrote and what to rigidly adhere to.

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Edmond Bear said:

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xiledinok said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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xiledinok said:

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Florda_mike said:

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xiledinok said:

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bearassnekkid said:

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xiledinok said:

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How many plan to punish Baylor by refusing to send your kids to Baylor because of them admitting to the pews that homosexuality actually exists at a place like Baylor?
What minor league Baptist colleges will you consider instead of BU?

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Are you feeling ok? You keep repeating this same thing over and over again, and it's like you're having an argument with yourself.

Nobody. Has. Ever. Argued. That. Homosexuals. Don't. Exist. At. Baylor.

Please read that 20 more times, and say it loud each time so it really sinks in. You are making an irrelevant point that no one disputes or even cares about.

Pre-marital sex exists at Baylor. Drunkenness exists at Baylor. Liars exist at Baylor. Greedy people exist at Baylor. Porn exists at Baylor. SO THE HELL WHAT. The point is that the University doesn't formally recognize, sanction, endorse, and facilitate "groups" who wish to celebrate and tout and participate in those behaviors. That's what this is about. Is Baylor going to condone and facilitate Biblical sin by formally encouraging and "welcoming" and "including" etc etc etc groups who participate in it or "orient" around it, yada yada. Not whether they "exist." That is a non-issue.

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It's not going to effect the brand. The general alumni don't care. It's towards the bottom of the list concerning improving the school. It's all how you view Baylor.

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^^^ You completely missed his point

I'm not surprised though

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Don't care. I get the fact some will not like it.

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Who? No one is arguing that there are not homosexuals at Baylor. Even blue hairs know it.

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I suppose you do not want the group allowed. Times are a changing, imo.

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I don't but not for the reasons you're thinking.

I think homosexuals should be at Baylor for the same reasons that homosexuals should be around church and ideally Christians who actually love other human beings the way Christ loves them.

I don't think it's a good idea for Baylor to recognize an LGBTQ group (not because it would be a show of supporting homosexuality) but because it would be a foothold for activists to make Baylor ground zero for their "rights" argument.

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quash said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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xiledinok said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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xiledinok said:

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Florda_mike said:

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xiledinok said:

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bearassnekkid said:

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xiledinok said:

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How many plan to punish Baylor by refusing to send your kids to Baylor because of them admitting to the pews that homosexuality actually exists at a place like Baylor?
What minor league Baptist colleges will you consider instead of BU?

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Are you feeling ok? You keep repeating this same thing over and over again, and it's like you're having an argument with yourself.

Nobody. Has. Ever. Argued. That. Homosexuals. Don't. Exist. At. Baylor.

Please read that 20 more times, and say it loud each time so it really sinks in. You are making an irrelevant point that no one disputes or even cares about.

Pre-marital sex exists at Baylor. Drunkenness exists at Baylor. Liars exist at Baylor. Greedy people exist at Baylor. Porn exists at Baylor. SO THE HELL WHAT. The point is that the University doesn't formally recognize, sanction, endorse, and facilitate "groups" who wish to celebrate and tout and participate in those behaviors. That's what this is about. Is Baylor going to condone and facilitate Biblical sin by formally encouraging and "welcoming" and "including" etc etc etc groups who participate in it or "orient" around it, yada yada. Not whether they "exist." That is a non-issue.

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It's not going to effect the brand. The general alumni don't care. It's towards the bottom of the list concerning improving the school. It's all how you view Baylor.

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^^^ You completely missed his point

I'm not surprised though

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Don't care. I get the fact some will not like it.

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Who? No one is arguing that there are not homosexuals at Baylor. Even blue hairs know it.

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I suppose you do not want the group allowed. Times are a changing, imo.

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I don't but not for the reasons you're thinking.

I think homosexuals should be at Baylor for the same reasons that homosexuals should be around church and ideally Christians who actually love other human beings the way Christ loves them.

I don't think it's a good idea for Baylor to recognize an LGBTQ group (not because it would be a show of supporting homosexuality) but because it would be a foothold for activists to make Baylor ground zero for their "rights" argument.

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Why do rights deserve scare quotes?

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Edmond Bear said:

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xiledinok said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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xiledinok said:

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Florda_mike said:

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xiledinok said:

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bearassnekkid said:

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xiledinok said:

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How many plan to punish Baylor by refusing to send your kids to Baylor because of them admitting to the pews that homosexuality actually exists at a place like Baylor?
What minor league Baptist colleges will you consider instead of BU?

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Are you feeling ok? You keep repeating this same thing over and over again, and it's like you're having an argument with yourself.

Nobody. Has. Ever. Argued. That. Homosexuals. Don't. Exist. At. Baylor.

Please read that 20 more times, and say it loud each time so it really sinks in. You are making an irrelevant point that no one disputes or even cares about.

Pre-marital sex exists at Baylor. Drunkenness exists at Baylor. Liars exist at Baylor. Greedy people exist at Baylor. Porn exists at Baylor. SO THE HELL WHAT. The point is that the University doesn't formally recognize, sanction, endorse, and facilitate "groups" who wish to celebrate and tout and participate in those behaviors. That's what this is about. Is Baylor going to condone and facilitate Biblical sin by formally encouraging and "welcoming" and "including" etc etc etc groups who participate in it or "orient" around it, yada yada. Not whether they "exist." That is a non-issue.

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It's not going to effect the brand. The general alumni don't care. It's towards the bottom of the list concerning improving the school. It's all how you view Baylor.

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^^^ You completely missed his point

I'm not surprised though

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Don't care. I get the fact some will not like it.

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Who? No one is arguing that there are not homosexuals at Baylor. Even blue hairs know it.

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I suppose you do not want the group allowed. Times are a changing, imo.

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I don't but not for the reasons you're thinking.

I think homosexuals should be at Baylor for the same reasons that homosexuals should be around church and ideally Christians who actually love other human beings the way Christ loves them.

I don't think it's a good idea for Baylor to recognize an LGBTQ group (not because it would be a show of supporting homosexuality) but because it would be a foothold for activists to make Baylor ground zero for their "rights" argument.

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ValhallaBear said:

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quash said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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xiledinok said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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xiledinok said:

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Florda_mike said:

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xiledinok said:

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bearassnekkid said:

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xiledinok said:

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How many plan to punish Baylor by refusing to send your kids to Baylor because of them admitting to the pews that homosexuality actually exists at a place like Baylor?
What minor league Baptist colleges will you consider instead of BU?

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Are you feeling ok? You keep repeating this same thing over and over again, and it's like you're having an argument with yourself.

Nobody. Has. Ever. Argued. That. Homosexuals. Don't. Exist. At. Baylor.

Please read that 20 more times, and say it loud each time so it really sinks in. You are making an irrelevant point that no one disputes or even cares about.

Pre-marital sex exists at Baylor. Drunkenness exists at Baylor. Liars exist at Baylor. Greedy people exist at Baylor. Porn exists at Baylor. SO THE HELL WHAT. The point is that the University doesn't formally recognize, sanction, endorse, and facilitate "groups" who wish to celebrate and tout and participate in those behaviors. That's what this is about. Is Baylor going to condone and facilitate Biblical sin by formally encouraging and "welcoming" and "including" etc etc etc groups who participate in it or "orient" around it, yada yada. Not whether they "exist." That is a non-issue.

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It's not going to effect the brand. The general alumni don't care. It's towards the bottom of the list concerning improving the school. It's all how you view Baylor.

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^^^ You completely missed his point

I'm not surprised though

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Don't care. I get the fact some will not like it.

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Who? No one is arguing that there are not homosexuals at Baylor. Even blue hairs know it.

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I suppose you do not want the group allowed. Times are a changing, imo.

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I don't but not for the reasons you're thinking.

I think homosexuals should be at Baylor for the same reasons that homosexuals should be around church and ideally Christians who actually love other human beings the way Christ loves them.

I don't think it's a good idea for Baylor to recognize an LGBTQ group (not because it would be a show of supporting homosexuality) but because it would be a foothold for activists to make Baylor ground zero for their "rights" argument.

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Why do rights deserve scare quotes?

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Because aggrieved groups don't want acknowledgment they want special treatment which, in this case, means being allowed to have anal sex on their homecoming float

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Kyle said:

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Personally, I think it fits more within Christ's love and the biblical narrative to focus on what unites us under Christ vs. what divides us. I wish not only at Baylor but also in our culture we would focus more on seeing each other's sameness vs. our differences, and I do not think race-, sex-, gay-, nationality-, etc. specialty interest groups necessarily supports that vision.

I would ask a some basic questions:
1. What value would this group provide that student today cannot receive, i.e. does it fill a particular need or solve a particular problem that exists today?
2. Are gay students discriminated against (uniquely at Baylor)? If so, would this group reverse this trend?
3. How would this group better promote the academic or spiritual development of gay Baylor students?

If the answer to those are yes, then there might be a strong case to support the group.

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quash said:

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Kyle said:

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Personally, I think it fits more within Christ's love and the biblical narrative to focus on what unites us under Christ vs. what divides us. I wish not only at Baylor but also in our culture we would focus more on seeing each other's sameness vs. our differences, and I do not think race-, sex-, gay-, nationality-, etc. specialty interest groups necessarily supports that vision.

I would ask a some basic questions:
1. What value would this group provide that student today cannot receive, i.e. does it fill a particular need or solve a particular problem that exists today?
2. Are gay students discriminated against (uniquely at Baylor)? If so, would this group reverse this trend?
3. How would this group better promote the academic or spiritual development of gay Baylor students?

If the answer to those are yes, then there might be a strong case to support the group.

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Are you willing to apply those conditions to every student group at Baylor? I doubt the BSU exists to prevent discrimination...

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Kyle said:

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quash said:

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Kyle said:

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Personally, I think it fits more within Christ's love and the biblical narrative to focus on what unites us under Christ vs. what divides us. I wish not only at Baylor but also in our culture we would focus more on seeing each other's sameness vs. our differences, and I do not think race-, sex-, gay-, nationality-, etc. specialty interest groups necessarily supports that vision.

I would ask a some basic questions:
1. What value would this group provide that student today cannot receive, i.e. does it fill a particular need or solve a particular problem that exists today?
2. Are gay students discriminated against (uniquely at Baylor)? If so, would this group reverse this trend?
3. How would this group better promote the academic or spiritual development of gay Baylor students?

If the answer to those are yes, then there might be a strong case to support the group.

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Are you willing to apply those conditions to every student group at Baylor? I doubt the BSU exists to prevent discrimination...

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Yeah, but I would exclude religious groups because IMHO that is such an integral part of a person's being - certainly at the world's largest Baptist University, I could see where there is value for non-Baptist students to find religious support.

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JXL said:

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PartyBear said:

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If y'all were seriously sincerely rigid adherents to what ancient people thought, you would be raising issues about shrimp being served in the cafeterias. Stop picking and choosing what to ignore as to what ancient people wrote and what to rigidly adhere to.

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Could you cite some of the NT passages on prohibiting shrimp? I seem to have missed them.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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PartyBear said:

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If y'all were seriously sincerely rigid adherents to what ancient people thought, you would be raising issues about shrimp being served in the cafeterias. Stop picking and choosing what to ignore as to what ancient people wrote and what to rigidly adhere to.

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This is perhaps the poorest, most uneducated, most overused argument regarding the bible that exist. Do just a little bit of reading on your own and then delete your post before others read it.

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Prairie_Bear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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PartyBear said:

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If y'all were seriously sincerely rigid adherents to what ancient people thought, you would be raising issues about shrimp being served in the cafeterias. Stop picking and choosing what to ignore as to what ancient people wrote and what to rigidly adhere to.

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This is perhaps the poorest, most uneducated, most overused argument regarding the bible that exist. Do just a little bit of reading on your own and then delete your post before others read it.

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Why is it the "poorest, most uneducated, most overused argument regarding the Bible"? Because you don't like it nor have a good retort?

If we had a complete solar eclipse tomorrow, would you want a 500 B.C. sheep herding cave dweller to explain it to you or a current day educated astrophysicist? How do you feel naturally occurring phenomenon like that was interpreted and past down orally? Accurately?

I'm curious how questioning the judgement/context of people who knew nothing about the world/environment/science around them is "uneducated"? Willing to be educated...

Couldn't care less about LBGTQ groups or whatever at Baylor. Being a loving example will gain you more influence than a preachy moralist, IMO.

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