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HuMcK said:

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Membership in the TPP sure would be a pretty useful tool to use as leverage against China right now...

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Wrong.

https://rooseveltinstitute.org/tricks-trade-deal-six-big-problems-trans-pacific-partnership/

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Wow, never thought I'd see you quote a leftist place like the Roosevelt Institute. Was your main concern #3, the increase in global warming?

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Name me one extremely successful businessmen/woman owner over the age of 60 who hasn't failed in a big way at least once during their career. There are some incredible books I suggest you read of our most successful people in the World who tell their stories of failure throughout their careers and how they overcame it.

I wish all of us could be as perfect as you and never make a mistake or wrong decision. That must be nice - you should write a book on how to do it.

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You're absolutely correct. Lots of successful people have failures along the way. It takes grit and will to drive success.

I'm suggesting that we all have a hole in our swing. Many people learn to crowd the plate or take the pitch. It just seems to me, we see actions with Trump as President that cost him dearly in business.

I'm also suggesting (saying) Trump has left lots of people holding the bad as he's moved on. This time it will be the farmers. It's clear to me that Trump takes huge risks with others livelihood. He did it with the bankruptcy of the USFL, Atlantic City, Trump Airlines and other deals where the bank was left holding the bag.

Let's hope I'm wrong. These high stakes are really high for my neighbors.

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Oldbear83 said:

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HuMcK said:

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Membership in the TPP sure would be a pretty useful tool to use as leverage against China right now...

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Wrong.

https://rooseveltinstitute.org/tricks-trade-deal-six-big-problems-trans-pacific-partnership/

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Wow, never thought I'd see you quote a leftist place like the Roosevelt Institute. Was your main concern #3, the increase in global warming?

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I like all good scholarly work.

But no, #3 was not my main concern.

Didn't read the whole thread, but I can tell you that the U.S. was already barrelling toward another recession. This just puts the country on the fast track.

Also...(conspiracy theory) I think Trump might be working for Russia.

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riflebear said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Name me one extremely successful businessmen/woman owner over the age of 60 who hasn't failed in a big way at least once during their career. There are some incredible books I suggest you read of our most successful people in the World who tell their stories of failure throughout their careers and how they overcame it.

I wish all of us could be as perfect as you and never make a mistake or wrong decision. That must be nice - you should write a book on how to do it.

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You're absolutely correct. Lots of successful people have failures along the way. It takes grit and will to drive success.

I'm suggesting that we all have a hole in our swing. Many people learn to crowd the plate or take the pitch. It just seems to me, we see actions with Trump as President that cost him dearly in business.

I'm also suggesting (saying) Trump has left lots of people holding the bad as he's moved on. This time it will be the farmers. It's clear to me that Trump takes huge risks with others livelihood. He did it with the bankruptcy of the USFL, Atlantic City, Trump Airlines and other deals where the bank was left holding the bag.

Let's hope I'm wrong. These high stakes are really high for my neighbors.

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It would be best for all of us if we keep in mind China is our adversary...not the current President of the United States .

Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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riflebear said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Name me one extremely successful businessmen/woman owner over the age of 60 who hasn't failed in a big way at least once during their career. There are some incredible books I suggest you read of our most successful people in the World who tell their stories of failure throughout their careers and how they overcame it.

I wish all of us could be as perfect as you and never make a mistake or wrong decision. That must be nice - you should write a book on how to do it.

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You're absolutely correct. Lots of successful people have failures along the way. It takes grit and will to drive success.

I'm suggesting that we all have a hole in our swing. Many people learn to crowd the plate or take the pitch. It just seems to me, we see actions with Trump as President that cost him dearly in business.

I'm also suggesting (saying) Trump has left lots of people holding the bad as he's moved on. This time it will be the farmers. It's clear to me that Trump takes huge risks with others livelihood. He did it with the bankruptcy of the USFL, Atlantic City, Trump Airlines and other deals where the bank was left holding the bag.

Let's hope I'm wrong. These high stakes are really high for my neighbors.

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It would be best for all of us if we keep in mind China is our adversary...not the current President of the United States .

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Well we spend a lot of time in bed with them for such a contentious relationship.

Prior to this season the record for a MLB team in giving up at least 5 HRs in a game in one season is 9 ('16 Reds).

The Orioles have already done it 15 times this season and there's 1/3 of the season to go!

Wait. What's this thread about?

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Considering the obstruction Trump faced from Democrats, he's done just fine keeping his word.

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Yea, except he hasn't.

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Yes he has.

Originalist judges, the economy, trying to secure the border, just as I said.


Pretending those were not the main goal just makes it look like you were sleeping during the campaign, boyo.

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Gotcha. So there's promises and then there's REAL promises.

Let me guess, the real promises are the ones he followed through. The others which he didn't keep or lied about, weren't real or "main" promises, right?

How mighty convenient.

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There you are folks, selective ability to comprehend.

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Almost as selective as Trump's promises, amirite?

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Did your mom feed you lead flakes for breakfast because she couldn't afford corn flakes?

is that how you got that way, BJM?

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Sorry this thread is going so poorly for you.

Lulz.

BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Considering the obstruction Trump faced from Democrats, he's done just fine keeping his word.

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Yea, except he hasn't.

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Yes he has.

Originalist judges, the economy, trying to secure the border, just as I said.


Pretending those were not the main goal just makes it look like you were sleeping during the campaign, boyo.

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Gotcha. So there's promises and then there's REAL promises.

Let me guess, the real promises are the ones he followed through. The others which he didn't keep or lied about, weren't real or "main" promises, right?

How mighty convenient.

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There you are folks, selective ability to comprehend.

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Almost as selective as Trump's promises, amirite?

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Did your mom feed you lead flakes for breakfast because she couldn't afford corn flakes?

is that how you got that way, BJM?

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Sorry this thread is going so poorly for you.

Lulz.

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Oh, you are still batting .000 BJM, you guys are a comedy riot, all the more because you think you are winning.

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Considering the obstruction Trump faced from Democrats, he's done just fine keeping his word.

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Yea, except he hasn't.

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Yes he has.

Originalist judges, the economy, trying to secure the border, just as I said.


Pretending those were not the main goal just makes it look like you were sleeping during the campaign, boyo.

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Gotcha. So there's promises and then there's REAL promises.

Let me guess, the real promises are the ones he followed through. The others which he didn't keep or lied about, weren't real or "main" promises, right?

How mighty convenient.

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There you are folks, selective ability to comprehend.

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Almost as selective as Trump's promises, amirite?

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Did your mom feed you lead flakes for breakfast because she couldn't afford corn flakes?

is that how you got that way, BJM?

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Sorry this thread is going so poorly for you.

Lulz.

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Oh, you are still batting .000 BJM, you guys are a comedy riot, all the more because you think you are winning.

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It's okay Old. I promise (wink, wink) you'll be okay.

BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Considering the obstruction Trump faced from Democrats, he's done just fine keeping his word.

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Yea, except he hasn't.

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Yes he has.

Originalist judges, the economy, trying to secure the border, just as I said.


Pretending those were not the main goal just makes it look like you were sleeping during the campaign, boyo.

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Gotcha. So there's promises and then there's REAL promises.

Let me guess, the real promises are the ones he followed through. The others which he didn't keep or lied about, weren't real or "main" promises, right?

How mighty convenient.

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There you are folks, selective ability to comprehend.

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Almost as selective as Trump's promises, amirite?

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Did your mom feed you lead flakes for breakfast because she couldn't afford corn flakes?

is that how you got that way, BJM?

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Sorry this thread is going so poorly for you.

Lulz.

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Oh, you are still batting .000 BJM, you guys are a comedy riot, all the more because you think you are winning.

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It's okay Old. I promise (wink, wink) you'll be okay.

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< chuckles > BJM, hate to break it to ya sport, but that quivering sobbing figure you're looking at ...


is your reflection in the mirror.


I'm still laughing at this thread!

BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Considering the obstruction Trump faced from Democrats, he's done just fine keeping his word.

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Yea, except he hasn't.

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Yes he has.

Originalist judges, the economy, trying to secure the border, just as I said.


Pretending those were not the main goal just makes it look like you were sleeping during the campaign, boyo.

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Gotcha. So there's promises and then there's REAL promises.

Let me guess, the real promises are the ones he followed through. The others which he didn't keep or lied about, weren't real or "main" promises, right?

How mighty convenient.

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There you are folks, selective ability to comprehend.

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Almost as selective as Trump's promises, amirite?

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Did your mom feed you lead flakes for breakfast because she couldn't afford corn flakes?

is that how you got that way, BJM?

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Sorry this thread is going so poorly for you.

Lulz.

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What did I post that makes it appear it's going so poorly for me? Project much?

I believe my only post was near the beginning and suggesting a recession is a bigger threat than Trump supporters care to believe.

My post was mocking everyone who contributed to extending this thread often veering off topic (like yourself).

Staying off topic, which appears to be the key to this thread, if Trump is worth only $500M and he declared bankruptcy several times, doesn't that suggest he built his wealth (only $500M, poor fellow, without Papa's help, i.e., he lost it? (FTR, he did not inherit $400M. It would have made his dad one of the richest people in the world in the 70s. He wasn't.)

BarleyMcDougal said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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riflebear said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Name me one extremely successful businessmen/woman owner over the age of 60 who hasn't failed in a big way at least once during their career. There are some incredible books I suggest you read of our most successful people in the World who tell their stories of failure throughout their careers and how they overcame it.

I wish all of us could be as perfect as you and never make a mistake or wrong decision. That must be nice - you should write a book on how to do it.

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You're absolutely correct. Lots of successful people have failures along the way. It takes grit and will to drive success.

I'm suggesting that we all have a hole in our swing. Many people learn to crowd the plate or take the pitch. It just seems to me, we see actions with Trump as President that cost him dearly in business.

I'm also suggesting (saying) Trump has left lots of people holding the bad as he's moved on. This time it will be the farmers. It's clear to me that Trump takes huge risks with others livelihood. He did it with the bankruptcy of the USFL, Atlantic City, Trump Airlines and other deals where the bank was left holding the bag.

Let's hope I'm wrong. These high stakes are really high for my neighbors.

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It would be best for all of us if we keep in mind China is our adversary...not the current President of the United States .

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Well we spend a lot of time in bed with them for such a contentious relationship.

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Bedmates ...yes...at times .

However ask most US corporate executives and they'll tell you its been the Chinese doing the vast majority of the ****ing .

Canada2017 said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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riflebear said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

---

Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Name me one extremely successful businessmen/woman owner over the age of 60 who hasn't failed in a big way at least once during their career. There are some incredible books I suggest you read of our most successful people in the World who tell their stories of failure throughout their careers and how they overcame it.

I wish all of us could be as perfect as you and never make a mistake or wrong decision. That must be nice - you should write a book on how to do it.

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You're absolutely correct. Lots of successful people have failures along the way. It takes grit and will to drive success.

I'm suggesting that we all have a hole in our swing. Many people learn to crowd the plate or take the pitch. It just seems to me, we see actions with Trump as President that cost him dearly in business.

I'm also suggesting (saying) Trump has left lots of people holding the bad as he's moved on. This time it will be the farmers. It's clear to me that Trump takes huge risks with others livelihood. He did it with the bankruptcy of the USFL, Atlantic City, Trump Airlines and other deals where the bank was left holding the bag.

Let's hope I'm wrong. These high stakes are really high for my neighbors.

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It would be best for all of us if we keep in mind China is our adversary...not the current President of the United States .

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Well we spend a lot of time in bed with them for such a contentious relationship.

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Bedmates ...yes...at times .

However ask most US corporate executives and they'll tell you its been the Chinese doing the vast majority of the ****ing .

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They'll also tell you China pays. We want those markets. Trump is causing us to lose them.

the more I try to read the tea leaves, the more i'm inclined to see a serious downturn. This pissing match with Ghina is horrible for the economy. Hey, I do understand where the Trumps is coming from on unfair trade, I just think he's going about it in the wrong way. The Bears are out, and I'm concerned. He's in no man's land currently. Ghina ain't backing down. The will continue you devalue the Yuan. Farmers getting pummeled , manufacturing suffering, the consumer is about to be hammered. Trump is an absolute POS (Liar, Bully, Masogonist, Cheat), but I wish nothing but the best for our economy... I just fear that he is way, way over his head. Good luck to all.

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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This is why I feel that whether you love or hate Trump, you have to conclude that either he's one of the craziest SOBs that has ever lived, or he is completely sincere in his commitment/desire to make the country stronger and better to the extent that he's willing to take the unimaginable daily abuse leveled at him and keep going.

JR "I do understand where the Trumps is coming from on unfair trade, I just think he's going about it in the wrong way."

I hear that a lot from people who don't like Trump, but they never say what alternative they would offer to end China's IP theft and unfair practices.

What's your solution?

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JR "I do understand where the Trumps is coming from on unfair trade, I just think he's going about it in the wrong way."

I hear that a lot from people who don't like Trump, but they never say what alternative they would offer to end China's IP theft and unfair practices.

What's your solution?

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The TPP has already been mentioned but you didn't like: it's effect on unions, global warming, barriers to increased regulation, the business-friendly arbitration system (ISDS), corporate influence over the rules, or the benefit to be gained by "Big Pharma".

Personally, I'm willing to trade a small increase in global warming for the economic benefits of decreased union influence, increased corporate influence (since they are the ones with skin in the game, especially as to IP) and no stifling regulations to protect unions and the environment. Leave those to sovereign nations.

Trump is defined by unilateralism. The trade war, the chaos in the Gulf, neo-NAFTA, etc.

This feels like the kind of situation a unified trade deal like the TPP was designed to prevent. Meanwhile talks about new one-on-one trade deals with SK and Japan have shown little progress, and the trade war with China escalates.

Also this, Moon openly talking about an alliance with (nuclear armed) Kim against Japan, a major US ally. Where does the US figure into that scenario? Where does China?

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

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I'm not knocking lack of military service I'm referring to avoiding the draft.
There was no draft for Obama's age range. Clinton got 1 college deferment not 4 plus a medical

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You served in which branch of the military ?

And no...the service of other family members is not the same thing .

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

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I'm not knocking lack of military service I'm referring to avoiding the draft.
There was no draft for Obama's age range. Clinton got 1 college deferment not 4 plus a medical

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You served in which branch of the military ?

And no...the service of other family members is not the same thing .

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I didn't serve in any branch of the military I was one of the guys who had an opportunity to go to college which was huge in my family.

Thanks for trying to throw shade at my family of which there is a line of folks (4 generations) who served (2 KIA) Currently have 3 nephews serving in the Army. I am proud of all of them. Real patriots

Mr President hasn't had any members of his family serve in the military. Ever. That covers 150 years and 2 World Wars

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Canada2017 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

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I'm not knocking lack of military service I'm referring to avoiding the draft.
There was no draft for Obama's age range. Clinton got 1 college deferment not 4 plus a medical

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You served in which branch of the military ?

And no...the service of other family members is not the same thing .

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I didn't serve in any branch of the military I was one of the guys who had an opportunity to go to college which was huge in my family.

Thanks for trying to throw shade at my family of which there is a line of folks (4 generations) who served (2 KIA) Currently have 3 nephews serving in the Army. I am proud of all of them. Real patriots

Mr President hasn't had any members of his family serve in the military. Ever. That covers 150 years and 2 World Wars

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Just find it odd you routinely criticize others for not serving in the military.....when you didn't either .

Then lean on the service of family members .

But of course you played college football so that trumps everything.

Quash: "The TPP has already been mentioned"

How, specifically, would a treaty like TPP reduce CO2 emissions?

robby: "Mr President hasn't had any members of his family serve in the military."

Yet President Trump has done out of his way to avoid unnecessary military deployment/escalation, without giving up territory or US influence.


That's interesting, and it tells me that as much I respect and admire service in the military, maybe our Founding Fathers understood something when they chose not to even mention military service when specifying the qualifications for President of the United States.

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Quash: "The TPP has already been mentioned"

How, specifically, would a treaty like TPP reduce CO2 emissions?

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Beats me. You chose to post opposition to the TPP via a link that said the TPP might increase global warming.

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Canada2017 said:

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robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

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I'm not knocking lack of military service I'm referring to avoiding the draft.
There was no draft for Obama's age range. Clinton got 1 college deferment not 4 plus a medical

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You served in which branch of the military ?

And no...the service of other family members is not the same thing .

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I didn't serve in any branch of the military I was one of the guys who had an opportunity to go to college which was huge in my family.

Thanks for trying to throw shade at my family of which there is a line of folks (4 generations) who served (2 KIA) Currently have 3 nephews serving in the Army. I am proud of all of them. Real patriots

Mr President hasn't had any members of his family serve in the military. Ever. That covers 150 years and 2 World Wars

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Just find it odd you routinely criticize others for not serving in the military.....when you didn't either .

Then lean on the service of family members .

But of course you played college football so that trumps everything.

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No I didn't criticize others. I criticized Trump
I have no problem with folks not serving in the military. My problem is a person props himself up as this super patriot who wraps himself in the flag and calls out folks as people who don't love their country when he was the guy who wussed out.
I'm not leaning my family I celebrate them and give props.

Not sure why you mentioned me playing college football? My dad played also. Isn't that kind of cool.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Quash: "The TPP has already been mentioned"

How, specifically, would a treaty like TPP reduce CO2 emissions?

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Beats me. You chose to post opposition to the TPP via a link that said the TPP might increase global warming.

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And I said at the time that was not my reason for opposing TPP. I don't believe TPP would do a damn thing to stop climate change, so since you brought it up as a way to stop climate change, it's still in your court to say how it does that.

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Canada2017 said:

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robby44 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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robby44 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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robby44 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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tommie said:

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Canada2017 said:

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So either Trump is crazy to risk his biggest re election asset ( the economy ) in a showdown with China.

or

Trump is patriotic enough to put his country's long term trade interests ahead of his personal political interests .


Starting to understand why so many past presidents ( of both political parties ) chose to do nothing about China's continuing trade abuses.

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Or maybe he's the guy that has bankrupted multiple businesses.

If you have cash, there's about to be lots of midwestern land for sake for cheap.

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Yeah that's a 3rd option.

A 70+ year old billionaire willingly accepts daily national abuse and the ever growing chance of assassination in order to make a few extra bucks .

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I don't believe he's a billionaire.

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Well there it is......your in-depth assessment of Trumps wealth confirms his motives are nothing but a Midwest land grab .

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Actually not. My assessment is his judgement (and temperament) gets on the way of him being aWarren Buffet or a Bill Gates.

A few things stand out. He doesn't seem to have any long term relationships (partnerships). None of us can go it alone. Gates has(d) Allen. Buffet has Munger.

Trump has Trump. He's boastful. He's a superb marketer. He doesn't water other peoples lawn. He instead takes their water and feels slighted when they want compensation for it.

He churns through people and distrusts. It's impossible to build a successful enterprise that way.

It's just my sniff of the situation.

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Shortcomings not withstanding......I am amazed Trump functions as well as he does with all of the abuse he takes .

If I had 1/10 of his mere millions I would be in bed with my gorgeous wife on some massive yacht off the southern coast of France and let this incredibly ignorant US electorate rot in their own juices .

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^^^ Canada I would too

Trump's sacrifice isn't missed by me either

He's a decade older than me and there's no way I'd be doing what he's doing if I were him

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Sacrifice?
You mean like dodging the draft

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Show me where you said that about Bill Clinton, or held Obama's lack of military service against him.

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I'm not knocking lack of military service I'm referring to avoiding the draft.
There was no draft for Obama's age range. Clinton got 1 college deferment not 4 plus a medical

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You served in which branch of the military ?

And no...the service of other family members is not the same thing .

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I didn't serve in any branch of the military I was one of the guys who had an opportunity to go to college which was huge in my family.

Thanks for trying to throw shade at my family of which there is a line of folks (4 generations) who served (2 KIA) Currently have 3 nephews serving in the Army. I am proud of all of them. Real patriots

Mr President hasn't had any members of his family serve in the military. Ever. That covers 150 years and 2 World Wars

---

Just find it odd you routinely criticize others for not serving in the military.....when you didn't either .

Then lean on the service of family members .

But of course you played college football so that trumps everything.

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No I didn't criticize others. I criticized Trump
I have no problem with folks not serving in the military. My problem is a person props himself up as this super patriot who wraps himself in the flag and calls out folks as people who don't love their country when he was the guy who wussed out.
I'm not leaning my family I celebrate them and give props.

Not sure why you mentioned me playing college football? My dad played also. Isn't that kind of cool.

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Yes...and I'm pretty sure I saw you play.

In my opinion one can love this country ....be a patriotic citizen....without having been in the military.

Props are fine.....I'm very proud of my fathers WW2 war record . Dad saw constant combat ...many shipmates were killed around him .

But I'm even more proud of his successful struggle out of horrible poverty .

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Quash: "The TPP has already been mentioned"

How, specifically, would a treaty like TPP reduce CO2 emissions?

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Beats me. You chose to post opposition to the TPP via a link that said the TPP might increase global warming.

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And I said at the time that was not my reason for opposing TPP. I don't believe TPP would do a damn thing to stop climate change, so since you brought it up as a way to stop climate change, it's still in your court to say how it does that.

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Wrong. You cut this part out when you quoted me, but it shows you got my stance exactly backward.

Here's my quote: "Personally, I'm willing to trade a small increase in global warming for the economic benefits of decreased union influence, increased corporate influence (since they are the ones with skin in the game, especially as to IP) and no stifling regulations to protect unions and the environment. Leave those to sovereign nations."

So which of the 6 liberal points in your Roosevelt Institute link were you relying on to oppose the TPP?

Robby44 and Canada2017 are two of my favorite posters! How the Hell did that happen?

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Quash: "The TPP has already been mentioned"

How, specifically, would a treaty like TPP reduce CO2 emissions?

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Beats me. You chose to post opposition to the TPP via a link that said the TPP might increase global warming.

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And I said at the time that was not my reason for opposing TPP. I don't believe TPP would do a damn thing to stop climate change, so since you brought it up as a way to stop climate change, it's still in your court to say how it does that.

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Wrong. You cut this part out when you quoted me, but it shows you got my stance exactly backward.

Here's my quote: "Personally, I'm willing to trade a small increase in global warming for the economic benefits of decreased union influence, increased corporate influence (since they are the ones with skin in the game, especially as to IP) and no stifling regulations to protect unions and the environment. Leave those to sovereign nations."

So which of the 6 liberal points in your Roosevelt Institute link were you relying on to oppose the TPP?

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Sounds like you are admitting the TPP won't help the environment.

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Quash: "The TPP has already been mentioned"

How, specifically, would a treaty like TPP reduce CO2 emissions?

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Beats me. You chose to post opposition to the TPP via a link that said the TPP might increase global warming.

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And I said at the time that was not my reason for opposing TPP. I don't believe TPP would do a damn thing to stop climate change, so since you brought it up as a way to stop climate change, it's still in your court to say how it does that.

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Wrong. You cut this part out when you quoted me, but it shows you got my stance exactly backward.

Here's my quote: "Personally, I'm willing to trade a small increase in global warming for the economic benefits of decreased union influence, increased corporate influence (since they are the ones with skin in the game, especially as to IP) and no stifling regulations to protect unions and the environment. Leave those to sovereign nations."

So which of the 6 liberal points in your Roosevelt Institute link were you relying on to oppose the TPP?

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Sounds like you are admitting the TPP won't help the environment.

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I don't know or care if it will or won't. I didn't bring the environment into this thread, you did when linked that liberal anti-trade website. Shoulda read before pasting...

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Quash: "The TPP has already been mentioned"

How, specifically, would a treaty like TPP reduce CO2 emissions?

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Beats me. You chose to post opposition to the TPP via a link that said the TPP might increase global warming.

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And I said at the time that was not my reason for opposing TPP. I don't believe TPP would do a damn thing to stop climate change, so since you brought it up as a way to stop climate change, it's still in your court to say how it does that.

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Wrong. You cut this part out when you quoted me, but it shows you got my stance exactly backward.

Here's my quote: "Personally, I'm willing to trade a small increase in global warming for the economic benefits of decreased union influence, increased corporate influence (since they are the ones with skin in the game, especially as to IP) and no stifling regulations to protect unions and the environment. Leave those to sovereign nations."

So which of the 6 liberal points in your Roosevelt Institute link were you relying on to oppose the TPP?

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Sounds like you are admitting the TPP won't help the environment.

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I don't know or care if it will or won't. I didn't bring the environment into this thread, you did when linked that liberal anti-trade website. Shoulda read before pasting...

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Are you that dense, or just that bitter? I brought up TPP in a trade discussion to point out that even liberals had problems with it, and because I read more widely than you seem to believe I do. That in no way means, nor did I say or imply, that I wholly agreed with the paper's conclusions. My statements all along have been consistent on the dubious quality of activists' claims and the true nature of the issue, but you were busy looking to argue rather than learn anything.

It's blindingly apparent that you don't even have a decent guess about what would really lessen the effects of climate change you obsess on so much, which is consistent with your own habit of flinging things without looking to see what they were first. You have told everyone here much about your thinking style and the character of your argument.

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Quash: "The TPP has already been mentioned"

How, specifically, would a treaty like TPP reduce CO2 emissions?

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Beats me. You chose to post opposition to the TPP via a link that said the TPP might increase global warming.

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And I said at the time that was not my reason for opposing TPP. I don't believe TPP would do a damn thing to stop climate change, so since you brought it up as a way to stop climate change, it's still in your court to say how it does that.

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Wrong. You cut this part out when you quoted me, but it shows you got my stance exactly backward.

Here's my quote: "Personally, I'm willing to trade a small increase in global warming for the economic benefits of decreased union influence, increased corporate influence (since they are the ones with skin in the game, especially as to IP) and no stifling regulations to protect unions and the environment. Leave those to sovereign nations."

So which of the 6 liberal points in your Roosevelt Institute link were you relying on to oppose the TPP?

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Sounds like you are admitting the TPP won't help the environment.

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I don't know or care if it will or won't. I didn't bring the environment into this thread, you did when linked that liberal anti-trade website. Shoulda read before pasting...

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Are you that dense, or just that bitter? I brought up TPP in a trade discussion to point out that even liberals had problems with it, and because I read more widely than you seem to believe I do. That in no way means, nor did I say or imply, that I wholly agreed with the paper's conclusions. My statements all along have been consistent on the dubious quality of activists' claims and the true nature of the issue, but you were busy looking to argue rather than learn anything.

It's blindingly apparent that you don't even have a decent guess about what would really lessen the effects of climate change you obsess on so much, which is consistent with your own habit of flinging things without looking to see what they were first. You have told everyone here much about your thinking style and the character of your argument.

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Dude. I asked you which of the six liberal points you were standing behind and only now have you decided that you posted it to show liberal opposition to TPP. Big whoop. So I guess we still don't know why you oppose the TPP.

As to my solution to global warming I posted it on tbe aporopriate thread, triggering you into a rant about not putting it into my own words, For the tenth time...

So.

What is your real reason for opposing the TPP?