How much sense does this make?

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cinque
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bearassnekkid
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Yeah, other than an explicit Constitutional right, the two things are basically identical. Good comparison.
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bearassnekkid said:

Yeah, other than an explicit Constitutional right, the two things are basically identical. Good comparison.


There's no constitutional right to just die from gun violence. I should be able to be killed by cigarettes or drugs or drunk behind the wheel.
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cinque said:




It makes zero sense to ban something because it could be used dangerously or it actually is dangerous.

It's personal responsibility. Make good choices. It's quite simple but also easier said than done.

contrario
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Why focus on guns? Over 3,000 people die per day in vehicle accidents. 3,000 PER DAY!!
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tommie said:

bearassnekkid said:

Yeah, other than an explicit Constitutional right, the two things are basically identical. Good comparison.


There's no constitutional right to just die from gun violence. I should be able to be killed by cigarettes or drugs or drunk behind the wheel.

of course there isn't a constitutional right to die from gun violence. But there is a constitutional right to bear arms. Try to amend the constitution if you want, but there is no amendment protecting one's right to vape, which is why the OP is idiotic and a false equivalency.
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Yes this is silly from the president. Vaping has definitely saved more lives than it has taken.
blackie
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Obviously the vaping lobbyists are rookies compared to those of the NRA.
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contrario said:

Why focus on guns? Over 3,000 people die per day in vehicle accidents. 3,000 PER DAY!!
thats a bull**** argument on various fronts

1: Cars arent designed to cause harm, they are a method of transportation, there are so many Auto fatalities because Cars are so prevalent throughout everyday society, pretty much every household in the country owns a car and many own several.Guns primary aim is to cause harm and potentially death to a living being.

2: People that die in auto fatalities are, overwhelmingly the victims of accidents, there are rare cases of people using their cars as weapons, but these are overwhelming exceptions to the rule, People that die in Firearms fatalities are usually the victims of someone aiming to kill someone (or at least cause harm to someone else)

3: This video:

ably demonstrates point 3, The Government and Car Companies in various forms have conducted masses of research and taken many steps to reduce Fatalities in Car accidents, Technology such as Airbags, ABS, Crumple Zones and many, many more different technological innovations have been implemented in order to make Cars safer to drive.

Why cant these steps be taken to look at ways to reduce Gun Violence? Im no expert, so im not going to make suggestions as to what these innovations (be they Technological or implementation of new legislation) could be, but why are you (this is a general you rather than you in particular) so opposed to looking into it?

TLDR: Focus on Guns because nothing is being done about them, plenty has and will be done in the future about Auto Fatalities
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LOL. Trump could cure cancer and the libs would cry that he didn't cure AIDS.

Doc Holliday
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We have politicians wanting to outright ban guns.

It's a slippery slope.
cinque
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bearassnekkid said:

Yeah, other than an explicit Constitutional right, the two things are basically identical. Good comparison.
There is no constitutional right to possess a specific type of weapon that poses a greater risk to the public than other guns.
The larger point being Trump is not accepting vaping deaths as inevitable but is correctly seeing them as preventable. Where is this kind of sound logic when it comes to gun mass murders?
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cms186 said:

contrario said:

Why focus on guns? Over 3,000 people die per day in vehicle accidents. 3,000 PER DAY!!
thats a bull**** argument on various fronts

1: Cars arent designed to cause harm, they are a method of transportation, there are so many Auto fatalities because Cars are so prevalent throughout everyday society, pretty much every household in the country owns a car and many own several.Guns primary aim is to cause harm and potentially death to a living being.

2: People that die in auto fatalities are, overwhelmingly the victims of accidents, there are rare cases of people using their cars as weapons, but these are overwhelming exceptions to the rule, People that die in Firearms fatalities are usually the victims of someone aiming to kill someone (or at least cause harm to someone else)

3: This video:

ably demonstrates point 3, The Government and Car Companies in various forms have conducted masses of research and taken many steps to reduce Fatalities in Car accidents, Technology such as Airbags, ABS, Crumple Zones and many, many more different technological innovations have been implemented in order to make Cars safer to drive.

Why cant these steps be taken to look at ways to reduce Gun Violence? Im no expert, so im not going to make suggestions as to what these innovations (be they Technological or implementation of new legislation) could be, but why are you (this is a general you rather than you in particular) so opposed to looking into it?

TLDR: Focus on Guns because nothing is being done about them, plenty has and will be done in the future about Auto Fatalities
OP compared based on number of fatalities. So as long as we're comparing apples and toasters, might as well throw in the fatality comparison of 36,000 vs 1.25 MILLION. That was the point. Dumb comparisons are dumb.

Also, since you're throwing out "accidents" as a talking point, please remove all accidental gun deaths from your statistics in the future when discussing gun related deaths. K thanks.
cms186
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bearassnekkid said:

cms186 said:

contrario said:

Why focus on guns? Over 3,000 people die per day in vehicle accidents. 3,000 PER DAY!!
thats a bull**** argument on various fronts

1: Cars arent designed to cause harm, they are a method of transportation, there are so many Auto fatalities because Cars are so prevalent throughout everyday society, pretty much every household in the country owns a car and many own several.Guns primary aim is to cause harm and potentially death to a living being.

2: People that die in auto fatalities are, overwhelmingly the victims of accidents, there are rare cases of people using their cars as weapons, but these are overwhelming exceptions to the rule, People that die in Firearms fatalities are usually the victims of someone aiming to kill someone (or at least cause harm to someone else)

3: This video:

ably demonstrates point 3, The Government and Car Companies in various forms have conducted masses of research and taken many steps to reduce Fatalities in Car accidents, Technology such as Airbags, ABS, Crumple Zones and many, many more different technological innovations have been implemented in order to make Cars safer to drive.

Why cant these steps be taken to look at ways to reduce Gun Violence? Im no expert, so im not going to make suggestions as to what these innovations (be they Technological or implementation of new legislation) could be, but why are you (this is a general you rather than you in particular) so opposed to looking into it?

TLDR: Focus on Guns because nothing is being done about them, plenty has and will be done in the future about Auto Fatalities
OP compared based on number of fatalities. So as long as we're comparing apples and toasters, might as well throw in the fatality comparison of 36,000 vs 1.25 MILLION. That was the point. Dumb comparisons are dumb.

Also, since you're throwing out "accidents" as a talking point, please remove all accidental gun deaths from your statistics in the future when discussing gun related deaths. K thanks.
why are you comparing Americas Gun Deaths to the Global number of Car Crashes? that's bizarre and incredibly misleading, i'm going to be generous and assume you read an article without properly digesting the details

Heres where your argument gets blown out of the water, in 2017, there were 37'133 Auto Fatalities in the USA according to the NHTSA ( https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2019/06/17/car-crashes-36-750-people-were-killed-us-2018-nhtsa-estimates/1478103001/ )

In the same year, there were 39'773 Gun Deaths ( https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ ), so in the USA, more people are killed by Guns than they are by Cars.
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cowboycwr
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cms186 said:

bearassnekkid said:

cms186 said:

contrario said:

Why focus on guns? Over 3,000 people die per day in vehicle accidents. 3,000 PER DAY!!
thats a bull**** argument on various fronts

1: Cars arent designed to cause harm, they are a method of transportation, there are so many Auto fatalities because Cars are so prevalent throughout everyday society, pretty much every household in the country owns a car and many own several.Guns primary aim is to cause harm and potentially death to a living being.

2: People that die in auto fatalities are, overwhelmingly the victims of accidents, there are rare cases of people using their cars as weapons, but these are overwhelming exceptions to the rule, People that die in Firearms fatalities are usually the victims of someone aiming to kill someone (or at least cause harm to someone else)

3: This video:

ably demonstrates point 3, The Government and Car Companies in various forms have conducted masses of research and taken many steps to reduce Fatalities in Car accidents, Technology such as Airbags, ABS, Crumple Zones and many, many more different technological innovations have been implemented in order to make Cars safer to drive.

Why cant these steps be taken to look at ways to reduce Gun Violence? Im no expert, so im not going to make suggestions as to what these innovations (be they Technological or implementation of new legislation) could be, but why are you (this is a general you rather than you in particular) so opposed to looking into it?

TLDR: Focus on Guns because nothing is being done about them, plenty has and will be done in the future about Auto Fatalities
OP compared based on number of fatalities. So as long as we're comparing apples and toasters, might as well throw in the fatality comparison of 36,000 vs 1.25 MILLION. That was the point. Dumb comparisons are dumb.

Also, since you're throwing out "accidents" as a talking point, please remove all accidental gun deaths from your statistics in the future when discussing gun related deaths. K thanks.
why are you comparing Americas Gun Deaths to the Global number of Car Crashes? that's bizarre and incredibly misleading, i'm going to be generous and assume you read an article without properly digesting the details

Heres where your argument gets blown out of the water, in 2017, there were 37'133 Auto Fatalities in the USA according to the NHTSA ( https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2019/06/17/car-crashes-36-750-people-were-killed-us-2018-nhtsa-estimates/1478103001/ )

In the same year, there were 39'773 Gun Deaths ( https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ ), so in the USA, more people are killed by Guns than they are by Cars.
LOL.

Those stats are skewed to make them worse than they are.

They include things that are not gun deaths in the gun death category.

As usual you use a false argument to start with.

Again why do you care what happens in a country you do not live in? Go away.
cms186
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cowboycwr said:

cms186 said:

bearassnekkid said:

cms186 said:

contrario said:

Why focus on guns? Over 3,000 people die per day in vehicle accidents. 3,000 PER DAY!!
thats a bull**** argument on various fronts

1: Cars arent designed to cause harm, they are a method of transportation, there are so many Auto fatalities because Cars are so prevalent throughout everyday society, pretty much every household in the country owns a car and many own several.Guns primary aim is to cause harm and potentially death to a living being.

2: People that die in auto fatalities are, overwhelmingly the victims of accidents, there are rare cases of people using their cars as weapons, but these are overwhelming exceptions to the rule, People that die in Firearms fatalities are usually the victims of someone aiming to kill someone (or at least cause harm to someone else)

3: This video:

ably demonstrates point 3, The Government and Car Companies in various forms have conducted masses of research and taken many steps to reduce Fatalities in Car accidents, Technology such as Airbags, ABS, Crumple Zones and many, many more different technological innovations have been implemented in order to make Cars safer to drive.

Why cant these steps be taken to look at ways to reduce Gun Violence? Im no expert, so im not going to make suggestions as to what these innovations (be they Technological or implementation of new legislation) could be, but why are you (this is a general you rather than you in particular) so opposed to looking into it?

TLDR: Focus on Guns because nothing is being done about them, plenty has and will be done in the future about Auto Fatalities
OP compared based on number of fatalities. So as long as we're comparing apples and toasters, might as well throw in the fatality comparison of 36,000 vs 1.25 MILLION. That was the point. Dumb comparisons are dumb.

Also, since you're throwing out "accidents" as a talking point, please remove all accidental gun deaths from your statistics in the future when discussing gun related deaths. K thanks.
why are you comparing Americas Gun Deaths to the Global number of Car Crashes? that's bizarre and incredibly misleading, i'm going to be generous and assume you read an article without properly digesting the details

Heres where your argument gets blown out of the water, in 2017, there were 37'133 Auto Fatalities in the USA according to the NHTSA ( https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2019/06/17/car-crashes-36-750-people-were-killed-us-2018-nhtsa-estimates/1478103001/ )

In the same year, there were 39'773 Gun Deaths ( https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ ), so in the USA, more people are killed by Guns than they are by Cars.
LOL.

Those stats are skewed to make them worse than they are.

They include things that are not gun deaths in the gun death category.
Like what?

Quote:

As usual you use a false argument to start with.

Again why do you care what happens in a country you do not live in? Go away.
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cinque
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The American people are no longer buying the con argument that dying in mass shootings is an inevitability they must accept.
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cinque said:

The American people are no longer buying the con argument that dying in mass shootings is an inevitability they must accept.
Yep and that's why I conceal carry!
bearassnekkid
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cms186 said:

bearassnekkid said:

cms186 said:

contrario said:

Why focus on guns? Over 3,000 people die per day in vehicle accidents. 3,000 PER DAY!!
thats a bull**** argument on various fronts

1: Cars arent designed to cause harm, they are a method of transportation, there are so many Auto fatalities because Cars are so prevalent throughout everyday society, pretty much every household in the country owns a car and many own several.Guns primary aim is to cause harm and potentially death to a living being.

2: People that die in auto fatalities are, overwhelmingly the victims of accidents, there are rare cases of people using their cars as weapons, but these are overwhelming exceptions to the rule, People that die in Firearms fatalities are usually the victims of someone aiming to kill someone (or at least cause harm to someone else)

3: This video:

ably demonstrates point 3, The Government and Car Companies in various forms have conducted masses of research and taken many steps to reduce Fatalities in Car accidents, Technology such as Airbags, ABS, Crumple Zones and many, many more different technological innovations have been implemented in order to make Cars safer to drive.

Why cant these steps be taken to look at ways to reduce Gun Violence? Im no expert, so im not going to make suggestions as to what these innovations (be they Technological or implementation of new legislation) could be, but why are you (this is a general you rather than you in particular) so opposed to looking into it?

TLDR: Focus on Guns because nothing is being done about them, plenty has and will be done in the future about Auto Fatalities
OP compared based on number of fatalities. So as long as we're comparing apples and toasters, might as well throw in the fatality comparison of 36,000 vs 1.25 MILLION. That was the point. Dumb comparisons are dumb.

Also, since you're throwing out "accidents" as a talking point, please remove all accidental gun deaths from your statistics in the future when discussing gun related deaths. K thanks.
why are you comparing Americas Gun Deaths to the Global number of Car Crashes? that's bizarre and incredibly misleading, i'm going to be generous and assume you read an article without properly digesting the details

Heres where your argument gets blown out of the water, in 2017, there were 37'133 Auto Fatalities in the USA according to the NHTSA ( https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2019/06/17/car-crashes-36-750-people-were-killed-us-2018-nhtsa-estimates/1478103001/ )

In the same year, there were 39'773 Gun Deaths ( https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ ), so in the USA, more people are killed by Guns than they are by Cars.
Maybe you missed my "comparing apples and toasters" comment. Comparing unrelated things and creating a false equivalency is ridiculous. If you'd rather I can compare the deaths from any other number of random objects and then see if there is a constitutional right attached to one of them, and we can start lots of meaningless threads.

And, by the way, while we're talking about misleading stats, why did you claim 39,000 as the gun death total instead of the real number of 14,000? You included suicides in that number for some reason . . . but I'm gonna go ahead and assume you didn't include suicides in the "Auto fatalities" number. Why is that? Lots of people kill themselves by turning the car on in a closed garage, for example. I'm guessing you didn't include those because it's RIDICULOUS TO HOLD THAT AGAINST A CAR. But you're holding it against a gun. Strange.
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3,000+ deaths per day
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