BaylorFTW said:

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Waco1947 said:

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It is a distorted view of sex but guys have been looking at Sear catalogs and National Geographic for decades.
Parents need to educate their kids or some 15 yr old idiot will.

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If this is what you think the level of porn is similar to, I understand why you don't realize the seriousness of the problem in the present day. We are a long, long way from those more innocent times.

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Porn is a small problem for a small number of people. Preach all you want, but stay out of govt.

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quash said:

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Coke Bear said:

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quash said:

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Basis for "progressively stronger images"? Damage? And if you can answer the state restriction on porn research question, too, that would be useful.

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I am not aware of the state restriction on porn research. Please provide a link to it.

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The church's view of sex is the distorted one, too focused on reproduction.

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This is false. The Church has the healthiest view of sex. She understands that it was designed to be enjoyed by married couples for both unitive and procreative properties.

It is society that has devalued and distorted the view on sex.

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I've been asking for the link, I'm not aware of such restrictions either.

Society has it right. Nothing magical happens at a wedding to make sex better.

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If the wife gets pregnant, the child has a mother and father to take care of him/her.
If the wife gets pregnant, she has a husband to take care of her.
If the wife gets pregnant, it provides added purpose to the husband's life.
To honor God's commandments of marital sex, provides honor to man, woman and a future child.
A society that favors marital sex over premarital sex is one that supports higher moral values.
What is magical about a wedding night is a man and a woman commit to each other to form a family.

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This always sounds good THEN I see the most fervent supporters of these values also support the guy on his third family. The guy who had unprotected sex with a PORN Star while his third wife was pregnant with his 5th child.

Without being offensive, I find this all a giggle.

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I respect your opinion, but I think you are being a little nave and idealistic. So you are saying that atheists and agnostics cannot be moral people? I am a Christian but I disagree. Even Christians themselves disagree on what may considered moral. In my opinion, the Bible left us some guidelines to follow but at times some pretty blurry "instructions". Deuteronomy 22:5 says "A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone that does this." Personally, I don't think it is morally wrong for a woman to wear slacks.

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1. As a Christian, how do you decide which of God's rules to follow and which to ignore?
2. As a Christian, should your morality come from God or man?

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Leviticus 25: 44 says it is okay for us to own slaves from neighboring countries. Do you prefer Mexican or Canadian slaves, BaylorFTW? Even though the Bible says it is okay, the wife and I have decided not to own slaves.

quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Waco1947 said:

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It is a distorted view of sex but guys have been looking at Sear catalogs and National Geographic for decades.
Parents need to educate their kids or some 15 yr old idiot will.

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If this is what you think the level of porn is similar to, I understand why you don't realize the seriousness of the problem in the present day. We are a long, long way from those more innocent times.

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Porn is a small problem for a small number of people. Preach all you want, but stay out of govt.

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You keep making claims you can't substantiate. I have already pointed out in this thread the problem is more significant than you want to acknowledge. The only sensible action is to have research be done and then act accordingly based on those results. If it is proven that porn presents a public health hazard; then, the government should act for the good of society as a whole.

And you keep forgetting that it was y'all's prior "preaching" that got porn into the public sphere in the first place. And you used Kinsey pseudoscience to make that happen and then when people tried to raise research pointing out the clear errors of it, it was deliberately suppressed. So we have every right to push back on it. Your kind weren't telling the "porn advocates" to be quiet way back then so you don't get the right to complain now.

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BaylorFTW said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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I respect your opinion, but I think you are being a little nave and idealistic. So you are saying that atheists and agnostics cannot be moral people? I am a Christian but I disagree. Even Christians themselves disagree on what may considered moral. In my opinion, the Bible left us some guidelines to follow but at times some pretty blurry "instructions". Deuteronomy 22:5 says "A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone that does this." Personally, I don't think it is morally wrong for a woman to wear slacks.

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1. As a Christian, how do you decide which of God's rules to follow and which to ignore?
2. As a Christian, should your morality come from God or man?

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Leviticus 25: 44 says it is okay for us to own slaves from neighboring countries. Do you prefer Mexican or Canadian slaves, BaylorFTW? Even though the Bible says it is okay, the wife and I have decided not to own slaves.

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I realize these are challenging questions but they are important ones. How do you determine which rules to follow and which to ignore? Is it simply based on popular social norms of the current day? Is God's morality temporary or is it for all time?

Or if a government law permits something that God's law does not, which law do you support? If you support Gov't law over God's law are you failing to adhere to John 14:15 and Matthew 22:37?

BaylorFTW said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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I respect your opinion, but I think you are being a little nave and idealistic. So you are saying that atheists and agnostics cannot be moral people? I am a Christian but I disagree. Even Christians themselves disagree on what may considered moral. In my opinion, the Bible left us some guidelines to follow but at times some pretty blurry "instructions". Deuteronomy 22:5 says "A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone that does this." Personally, I don't think it is morally wrong for a woman to wear slacks.

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1. As a Christian, how do you decide which of God's rules to follow and which to ignore?
2. As a Christian, should your morality come from God or man?

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Leviticus 25: 44 says it is okay for us to own slaves from neighboring countries. Do you prefer Mexican or Canadian slaves, BaylorFTW? Even though the Bible says it is okay, the wife and I have decided not to own slaves.

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I realize these are challenging questions but they are important ones. How do you determine which rules to follow and which to ignore? Is it simply based on popular social norms of the current day? Is God's morality temporary or is it for all time?

Or if a government law permits something that God's law does not, which law do you support? If you support Gov't law over God's law are you failing to adhere to John 14:15 and Matthew 22:37?

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The bold is key. How do YOU. I do not advocate YOU telling me what to do which is essentially an expansion of government even though I fully agree with you on the evils discussed.

We are not a Theocracy like Iran.

BaylorFTW said:

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Waco1947 said:

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It is a distorted view of sex but guys have been looking at Sear catalogs and National Geographic for decades.
Parents need to educate their kids or some 15 yr old idiot will.

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If this is what you think the level of porn is similar to, I understand why you don't realize the seriousness of the problem in the present day. We are a long, long way from those more innocent times.

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Porn is a small problem for a small number of people. Preach all you want, but stay out of govt.

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You keep making claims you can't substantiate. I have already pointed out in this thread the problem is more significant than you want to acknowledge. The only sensible action is to have research be done and then act accordingly based on those results. If it is proven that porn presents a public health hazard; then, the government should act for the good of society as a whole.

And you keep forgetting that it was y'all's prior "preaching" that got porn into the public sphere in the first place. And you used Kinsey pseudoscience to make that happen and then when people tried to raise research pointing out the clear errors of it, it was deliberately suppressed. So we have every right to push back on it. Your kind weren't telling the "porn advocates" to be quiet way back then so you don't get the right to complain now.

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You are giving me credit for a lot things that I must blushingly decline to accept.

I showed you up front that the numbers do not support a public health crisis.

Enough with the scare quotes. Preaching is how you solve social ills in a free country. Laws is how you impose your fears on a captive populace.

I like my freedom. If I choose to exercise my freedom by smoking dope while watching Muslim porn with my domestic partner after a long day of dove hunting that is none of your business.

And stop with the suppression stuff. It apparently happened before I was born. Show me something from this millenium or shut up about it. Or, are you after reparations?

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The bold is key. How do YOU. I do not advocate YOU telling me what to do which is essentially an expansion of government even though I fully agree with you on the evils discussed.

We are not a Theocracy like Iran.

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Historically, it is not an expansion of government. We restricted these things in the past through obscenity laws and the like. We only made these changes based on bogus information. Therefore, we have every right to reconsider the issue and re-institute past laws if deemed necessary. All I have been asking for is that research be done to see what the true extent of the problem is. Since you are a man of the people, you should support such information being made available to all so WE can decide what is best.

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This always sounds good THEN I see the most fervent supporters of these values also support the guy on his third family. The guy who had unprotected sex with a PORN Star while his third wife was pregnant with his 5th child.

Without being offensive, I find this all a giggle.

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You reap what you sow. We have tried your way of diminished moral values by tolerating more and more reduced standards and laws. This resulted in candidates with diminished moral values. If you want to get better moral candidates, we must start by demanding better moral standards of ourselves. This is done in part through laws that encourage better morality.

" Enjoying real-life sex less is perhaps the best-known consequence of porn over-consumption, and a well understood problem in the 21st century. In the 1980s, anti-porn protesters always argued it would turn men into monstrous pests. If anything, it seems to have done the opposite; it is not uncommon to hear of young men so accustomed to viewing porn of whatever variety, whenever they want it, that the labour of having actual sex is seen as unnecessary."
The Telegraph UK.
Is this good or bad?

Waco1947 said:

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" Enjoying real-life sex less is perhaps the best-known consequence of porn over-consumption, and a well understood problem in the 21st century. In the 1980s, anti-porn protesters always argued it would turn men into monstrous pests. If anything, it seems to have done the opposite; it is not uncommon to hear of young men so accustomed to viewing porn of whatever variety, whenever they want it, that the labour of having actual sex is seen as unnecessary."
The Telegraph UK.
Is this good or bad?

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It is bad. We want people to live and function in the real world and not a fantasy one. Postmodernism and Trans humanism have some very dangerous implications.

BaylorFTW said:

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Waco1947 said:

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" Enjoying real-life sex less is perhaps the best-known consequence of porn over-consumption, and a well understood problem in the 21st century. In the 1980s, anti-porn protesters always argued it would turn men into monstrous pests. If anything, it seems to have done the opposite; it is not uncommon to hear of young men so accustomed to viewing porn of whatever variety, whenever they want it, that the labour of having actual sex is seen as unnecessary."
The Telegraph UK.
Is this good or bad?

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It is bad. We want people to live and function in the real world and not a fantasy one. Postmodernism and Trans humanism have some very dangerous implications.

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Man, two new bogeymen, one dying, one harmless.

BaylorFTW said:

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Waco1947 said:

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" Enjoying real-life sex less is perhaps the best-known consequence of porn over-consumption, and a well understood problem in the 21st century. In the 1980s, anti-porn protesters always argued it would turn men into monstrous pests. If anything, it seems to have done the opposite; it is not uncommon to hear of young men so accustomed to viewing porn of whatever variety, whenever they want it, that the labour of having actual sex is seen as unnecessary."
The Telegraph UK.
Is this good or bad?

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It is bad. We want people to live and function in the real world and not a fantasy one. Postmodernism and Trans humanism have some very dangerous implications.

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Fantasy world? Ever think of other women while with your wife? Men do. We are visual by nature.

BaylorFTW said:

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tommie said:

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This always sounds good THEN I see the most fervent supporters of these values also support the guy on his third family. The guy who had unprotected sex with a PORN Star while his third wife was pregnant with his 5th child.

Without being offensive, I find this all a giggle.

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You reap what you sow. We have tried your way of diminished moral values by tolerating more and more reduced standards and laws. This resulted in candidates with diminished moral values. If you want to get better moral candidates, we must start by demanding better moral standards of ourselves. This is done in part through laws that encourage better morality.

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So I guess we start by voting Trump out of office, which will be a huge leap in moral standards for our country.

TexasScientist said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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tommie said:

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This always sounds good THEN I see the most fervent supporters of these values also support the guy on his third family. The guy who had unprotected sex with a PORN Star while his third wife was pregnant with his 5th child.

Without being offensive, I find this all a giggle.

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You reap what you sow. We have tried your way of diminished moral values by tolerating more and more reduced standards and laws. This resulted in candidates with diminished moral values. If you want to get better moral candidates, we must start by demanding better moral standards of ourselves. This is done in part through laws that encourage better morality.

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So I guess we start by voting Trump out of office, which will be a huge leap in moral standards for our country.

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Which democratic candidate do you think has better moral standards than Trump?
Which democratic candidate do you think defends Christians' moral standards better than Trump?

revenge p*rawn:



- BUmma

Did someone say p*rawn?

BaylorFTW said:

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TexasScientist said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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tommie said:

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This always sounds good THEN I see the most fervent supporters of these values also support the guy on his third family. The guy who had unprotected sex with a PORN Star while his third wife was pregnant with his 5th child.

Without being offensive, I find this all a giggle.

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You reap what you sow. We have tried your way of diminished moral values by tolerating more and more reduced standards and laws. This resulted in candidates with diminished moral values. If you want to get better moral candidates, we must start by demanding better moral standards of ourselves. This is done in part through laws that encourage better morality.

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So I guess we start by voting Trump out of office, which will be a huge leap in moral standards for our country.

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Which democratic candidate do you think has better moral standards than Trump?
Which democratic candidate do you think defends Christians' moral standards better than Trump?

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Luke 6 God will bless you people
who are poor.
His kingdom belongs to you!
21 God will bless
you hungry people.
You will have plenty
to eat!
God will bless you people
who are crying.
You will laugh!

BaylorFTW said:

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TexasScientist said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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tommie said:

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This always sounds good THEN I see the most fervent supporters of these values also support the guy on his third family. The guy who had unprotected sex with a PORN Star while his third wife was pregnant with his 5th child.

Without being offensive, I find this all a giggle.

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You reap what you sow. We have tried your way of diminished moral values by tolerating more and more reduced standards and laws. This resulted in candidates with diminished moral values. If you want to get better moral candidates, we must start by demanding better moral standards of ourselves. This is done in part through laws that encourage better morality.

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So I guess we start by voting Trump out of office, which will be a huge leap in moral standards for our country.

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Which democratic candidate do you think has better moral standards than Trump?
Which democratic candidate do you think defends Christians' moral standards better than Trump?

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The majority of folks in my Church are pro Trump.

They certainly see his personal shortcomings....but they also understanding the various actions he has taken on behalf of Christians.

Leftists desperately want to confuse the issue .....but it is really that simple .

BaylorFTW said:

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TexasScientist said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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tommie said:

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This always sounds good THEN I see the most fervent supporters of these values also support the guy on his third family. The guy who had unprotected sex with a PORN Star while his third wife was pregnant with his 5th child.

Without being offensive, I find this all a giggle.

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You reap what you sow. We have tried your way of diminished moral values by tolerating more and more reduced standards and laws. This resulted in candidates with diminished moral values. If you want to get better moral candidates, we must start by demanding better moral standards of ourselves. This is done in part through laws that encourage better morality.

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So I guess we start by voting Trump out of office, which will be a huge leap in moral standards for our country.

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Which democratic candidate do you think has better moral standards than Trump?
Which democratic candidate do you think defends Christians' moral standards better than Trump?

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Why is defending Christian moral standards relevant to a candidate?

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Why is defending Christian moral standards relevant to a candidate?

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Those who honor me I will honor, but those who despise me will be disdained. 1 Samuel 2:30

BaylorFTW said:

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quash said:

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Why is defending Christian moral standards relevant to a candidate?

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Those who honor me I will honor, but those who despise me will be disdained. 1 Samuel 2:30

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Fine. Honor him all you want. Nobody is stopping you.

BaylorFTW said:

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quash said:

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Why is defending Christian moral standards relevant to a candidate?

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Those who honor me I will honor, but those who despise me will be disdained. 1 Samuel 2:30

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Christian moral standards are all over the place. That's why we have Trump. Christian moral standards are situational, and inconsistent. Isn't 1 Samuel 2:30 just another example of a meaningless statement?

BaylorFTW said:

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TexasScientist said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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tommie said:

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This always sounds good THEN I see the most fervent supporters of these values also support the guy on his third family. The guy who had unprotected sex with a PORN Star while his third wife was pregnant with his 5th child.

Without being offensive, I find this all a giggle.

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You reap what you sow. We have tried your way of diminished moral values by tolerating more and more reduced standards and laws. This resulted in candidates with diminished moral values. If you want to get better moral candidates, we must start by demanding better moral standards of ourselves. This is done in part through laws that encourage better morality.

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So I guess we start by voting Trump out of office, which will be a huge leap in moral standards for our country.

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Which democratic candidate do you think has better moral standards than Trump?
Which democratic candidate do you think defends Christians' moral standards better than Trump?

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Equating Christian moral standards with Trump's moral standards is a very low bar. I would think you would want a candidate who has higher standards. You don't have to look very far to find anyone with moral standards higher than Trump or even Christianity.

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Did someone say p*rawn?

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I know it when I see it......

Wow!!

- KKM

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating nutrition bar* }

* - mostly sugar and chocolate.

D!

TexasScientist said:

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Equating Christian moral standards with Trump's moral standards is a very low bar. I would think you would want a candidate who has higher standards. You don't have to look very far to find anyone with moral standards higher than Trump or even Christianity.

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And yet you couldn't name a single democrat candidate who did.

TexasScientist said:

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Christian moral standards are all over the place. That's why we have Trump. Christian moral standards are situational, and inconsistent. Isn't 1 Samuel 2:30 just another example of a meaningless statement?

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Christian moral standards are clear enough even if Christians don't always live up to them. You do realize that your beloved secularism is at the heart of a lot of that corrupting as well, right? Not to mention, you lack the foundation to criticize Christians given as an atheist you lack objective moral standards. You have no basis upon which to claim a Christian's actions were situational or inconsistent.

And of course, bible scripture is meaningless to you in your current state. As the bible says, "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." -1 Corinthians 1:18

BaylorFTW said:

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TexasScientist said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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tommie said:

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This always sounds good THEN I see the most fervent supporters of these values also support the guy on his third family. The guy who had unprotected sex with a PORN Star while his third wife was pregnant with his 5th child.

Without being offensive, I find this all a giggle.

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You reap what you sow. We have tried your way of diminished moral values by tolerating more and more reduced standards and laws. This resulted in candidates with diminished moral values. If you want to get better moral candidates, we must start by demanding better moral standards of ourselves. This is done in part through laws that encourage better morality.

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So I guess we start by voting Trump out of office, which will be a huge leap in moral standards for our country.

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Which democratic candidate do you think has better moral standards than Trump?
Which democratic candidate do you think defends Christians' moral standards better than Trump?

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To be clear, I don't like any of the democratic candidates. However, based upon observation, I would have to say that any of them have higher moral standards than Trump. Trump exhibits all of the personality traits of a malignant narcissist, and sociopath who is incapable of adhering to any moral standards.Trump doesn't defend or exemplify what I think you consider to be "Christian" moral standards, which is not much of a standard to which we should aspire. Judeo/Christian/Islamic morals are pretty reprehensible for the most part. IMO a malignant narcissist in the White House, by definition, is a threat to democracy, capitalism and our way of life.