This may be the most idiotic and inexcusable police shooting of them all. I am surprised it is not getting more national attention.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/fort-worth/article236067328.html

This is a murder....plain and simple

No excuse .....none .

Fort Worth has some serious issues with cops.

Shoots through a window at 2am ?

Kills a lady in her own house ?

Total bull**** .

Straight to jail....20 years to life .

Agreed. The stupid **** that did this should never see the sun. What a freaking stupid ****.

Canada2017 said:

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Shoots through a window at 2am ?

Kills a lady in her own house ?

Total bull**** .

Straight to jail....20 years to life .

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Maybe, but I want to know more

Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Shoots through a window at 2am ?

Kills a lady in her own house ?

Total bull**** .

Straight to jail....20 years to life .

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Maybe, but I want to know more

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Shoot someone through a window of their house at 2 am for not raising their arms ?

Going to need one hell of a reason .

Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Shoots through a window at 2am ?

Kills a lady in her own house ?

Total bull**** .

Straight to jail....20 years to life .

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Maybe, but I want to know more

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Shoot someone through a window of their house at 2 am for not raising their arms ?

Going to need one hell of a reason .

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I just want to know more before sending him "Straight to jail....20 years to life ."

Reads like a scared cop messed up procedurally then shot an unarmed person. That's sad and does nothing to foster a good relationship with the community.

IMO I didn't see any malice on the cops part; not like those Houston PD narcs that busted the drug house in east Houston in that no-knock raid.

She had her 8 year old nephew in the house with her

YoakDaddy said:

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Reads like a scared cop messed up procedurally then shot an unarmed person. That's sad and does nothing to foster a good relationship with the community.

IMO I didn't see any malice on the cops part; not like those Houston PD narcs that busted the drug house in east Houston in that no-knock raid.

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Cops that recklessly kill or injure innocent people should face the same consequences as anyone else .

Canada2017 said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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Reads like a scared cop messed up procedurally then shot an unarmed person. That's sad and does nothing to foster a good relationship with the community.

IMO I didn't see any malice on the cops part; not like those Houston PD narcs that busted the drug house in east Houston in that no-knock raid.

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Cops that recklessly kill or injure innocent people should face the same consequences as anyone else .

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I don't disagree.

Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Shoots through a window at 2am ?

Kills a lady in her own house ?

Total bull**** .

Straight to jail....20 years to life .

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Maybe, but I want to know more

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Shoot someone through a window of their house at 2 am for not raising their arms ?

Going to need one hell of a reason .

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I just want to know more before sending him "Straight to jail....20 years to life ."

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Maybe a trial first?

quash said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Shoots through a window at 2am ?

Kills a lady in her own house ?

Total bull**** .

Straight to jail....20 years to life .

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Maybe, but I want to know more

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Shoot someone through a window of their house at 2 am for not raising their arms ?

Going to need one hell of a reason .

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I just want to know more before sending him "Straight to jail....20 years to life ."

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Maybe a trial first?

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By all means.

Gotta adhere to the formalities.

Then send the stupid ####### to Huntsville.

quash said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Shoots through a window at 2am ?

Kills a lady in her own house ?

Total bull**** .

Straight to jail....20 years to life .

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Maybe, but I want to know more

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Shoot someone through a window of their house at 2 am for not raising their arms ?

Going to need one hell of a reason .

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I just want to know more before sending him "Straight to jail....20 years to life ."

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Maybe a trial first?

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Novel idea

Canada2017 said:

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quash said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Shoots through a window at 2am ?

Kills a lady in her own house ?

Total bull**** .

Straight to jail....20 years to life .

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Maybe, but I want to know more

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Shoot someone through a window of their house at 2 am for not raising their arms ?

Going to need one hell of a reason .

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I just want to know more before sending him "Straight to jail....20 years to life ."

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Maybe a trial first?

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By all means.

Gotta adhere to the formalities.

Then send the stupid ####### to Huntsville.

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Protections, not formalities. There might be important facts that have not yet come out.

quash said:

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Canada2017 said:

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quash said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Shoots through a window at 2am ?

Kills a lady in her own house ?

Total bull**** .

Straight to jail....20 years to life .

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Maybe, but I want to know more

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Shoot someone through a window of their house at 2 am for not raising their arms ?

Going to need one hell of a reason .

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I just want to know more before sending him "Straight to jail....20 years to life ."

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Maybe a trial first?

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By all means.

Gotta adhere to the formalities.

Then send the stupid ####### to Huntsville.

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Protections, not formalities. There might be important facts that have not yet come out.

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This. It doesn't look good for the cop so far, but we have due process for a reason.

I've always thought calling the cops on somebody just because they won't do what you want them to do (leave our pool, park, whatever) was pretty ****ty.

Now you can't even make a personal welfare call without risking somebody's life.

Should we really have to stop and ponder "Call the police"? It ought to be automatic, not a hesitation over "what if we get a dumbass?"

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She had her 8 year old nephew in the house with her

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That poor child.

Jinx 2 said:

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robby44 said:

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She had her 8 year old nephew in the house with her

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That poor child.

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The kid was actually in the room and saw her go down

Just more evidence to support the growing movement within black communities to forego calling police when we need help:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/former-fort-worth-police-officer-aaron-dean-charged-with-murder/ar-AAIMcSq

According to this source he is charged with murder.

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Just more evidence to support the growing movement within black communities to forego calling police when we need help:

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I've seen a lot of evidence to support police foregoing responding to calls in black communities. Maybe both parties can work out a deal?

They played the tape on the radio this morning ... it was disturbing. The guy basically said "put your hands up" and shot without even giving her a moment to put her hands up. Not that that was the main problem, he should have never pulled the gun in the first place, but it just shows how truly messed up this was.

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cinque said:

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Just more evidence to support the growing movement within black communities to forego calling police when we need help:

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I've seen a lot of evidence to support police foregoing responding to calls in black communities. Maybe both parties can work out a deal?

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Do black people kill police who come to their neighborhoods for the ostensible purpose of helping them?

https://newsone.com/3889899/atatiana-jefferson-black-people-calling-police/

I don't think it materially changes the key problem with this incident, but interested that the police did not send the police to the home on a "welfare check" but an "open structure" call. Not defending the action of the cop, but does change the perspective of the framework they took into the situation.

Kyle said:

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I don't think it materially changes the key problem with this incident, but interested that the police did not send the police to the home on a "welfare check" but an "open structure" call. Not defending the action of the cop, but does change the perspective of the framework they took into the situation.

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Those characterizations are crucial. You can see the role it plays when a family calls about a mentally ill adult child: they expect an ambulance, like last time, but the key decision maker is not a mental health worker but rather a 911 operator, who sends the cops instead and they shoot the guy.

Terrible, hope they don't go easy on him bc he is a cop.

I get time of day and thinking it could be a robbery, but common sense would think any decent criminal wouldn't have the house lit up like a ballpark.

Read an article awhile ago that made a lot of sense. In short, in the past our "decks" used to be porches. Porches fostered having relationships with your neighbors, decks isolate us. We give likes and text messages instead of truly interacting with those around us. There is no reason this neighbor had to involve police, check on it yourself. Call them, knock on the door, etc.

Hopefully the lesson from this is stare at our phone less and interact with real people around us more. Create real relationships, not fake interactions to avoid needless situations like this.

quash said:

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Kyle said:

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I don't think it materially changes the key problem with this incident, but interested that the police did not send the police to the home on a "welfare check" but an "open structure" call. Not defending the action of the cop, but does change the perspective of the framework they took into the situation.

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Those characterizations are crucial. You can see the role it plays when a family calls about a mentally ill adult child: they expect an ambulance, like last time, but the key decision maker is not a mental health worker but rather a 911 operator, who sends the cops instead and they shoot the guy.

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I listened to a former cop and prosecutor and current defense attorney on the radio last night, and that was his take. Going to a call as an "open structure," the cops would have approached as a potential burglary or at worst kidnapping / murder in-progress. I thought he was balanced and was critical of the way the cop performed while acknowledging they were not going in with the frame of checking on someone but rather potentially interrupting a crime in progress.

For me, it answered the question of why he didn't just rollup, knock on the door, and ask if anyone was home and if they were okay.

quash said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Shoots through a window at 2am ?

Kills a lady in her own house ?

Total bull**** .

Straight to jail....20 years to life .

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Maybe, but I want to know more

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Shoot someone through a window of their house at 2 am for not raising their arms ?

Going to need one hell of a reason .

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I just want to know more before sending him "Straight to jail....20 years to life ."

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Maybe a trial first?

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Woman pointed a gun at something outside the window, according to the nephew in the bedroom

Osodecentx said:

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quash said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Shoots through a window at 2am ?

Kills a lady in her own house ?

Total bull**** .

Straight to jail....20 years to life .

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Maybe, but I want to know more

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Shoot someone through a window of their house at 2 am for not raising their arms ?

Going to need one hell of a reason .

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I just want to know more before sending him "Straight to jail....20 years to life ."

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Maybe a trial first?

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Woman pointed a gun at something outside the window, according to the nephew in the bedroom

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Details matter.

Kyle said:

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quash said:

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Kyle said:

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I don't think it materially changes the key problem with this incident, but interested that the police did not send the police to the home on a "welfare check" but an "open structure" call. Not defending the action of the cop, but does change the perspective of the framework they took into the situation.

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Those characterizations are crucial. You can see the role it plays when a family calls about a mentally ill adult child: they expect an ambulance, like last time, but the key decision maker is not a mental health worker but rather a 911 operator, who sends the cops instead and they shoot the guy.

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I listened to a former cop and prosecutor and current defense attorney on the radio last night, and that was his take. Going to a call as an "open structure," the cops would have approached as a potential burglary or at worst kidnapping / murder in-progress. I thought he was balanced and was critical of the way the cop performed while acknowledging they were not going in with the frame of checking on someone but rather potentially interrupting a crime in progress.

For me, it answered the question of why he didn't just rollup, knock on the door, and ask if anyone was home and if they were okay.

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Sounds like Pete Schulte, used to office with him.

quash said:

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Osodecentx said:

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quash said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Shoots through a window at 2am ?

Kills a lady in her own house ?

Total bull**** .

Straight to jail....20 years to life .

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Maybe, but I want to know more

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Shoot someone through a window of their house at 2 am for not raising their arms ?

Going to need one hell of a reason .

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I just want to know more before sending him "Straight to jail....20 years to life ."

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Maybe a trial first?

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Woman pointed a gun at something outside the window, according to the nephew in the bedroom

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Details matter.

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Not to the mayor, DA, media, or chief of police

Osodecentx said:

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quash said:

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Osodecentx said:

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quash said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Shoots through a window at 2am ?

Kills a lady in her own house ?

Total bull**** .

Straight to jail....20 years to life .

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Maybe, but I want to know more

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Shoot someone through a window of their house at 2 am for not raising their arms ?

Going to need one hell of a reason .

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I just want to know more before sending him "Straight to jail....20 years to life ."

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Maybe a trial first?

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Woman pointed a gun at something outside the window, according to the nephew in the bedroom

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Details matter.

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Not to the mayor, DA, media, or chief of police

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Or most of our fellow posters.