On the Mueller report and now this stupid fake impeachment inquiry? Our govt can sure spend the $$
Can you provide us proof of what happened. Not your opinion or others, but actual blatant proof?Midnight Rider said:
No, the reasons really happened. The dispute is not so much as to what happened, but whether what happened merits impeachment.
What proof would you accept?Doc Holliday said:Can you provide us proof of what happened. Not your opinion or others, but actual blatant proof?Midnight Rider said:
No, the reasons really happened. The dispute is not so much as to what happened, but whether what happened merits impeachment.
Actually what happened IS up for what really happened...and the reason behind it. Republicans read the phone call differently that Democrats do.Midnight Rider said:
No, the reasons really happened. The dispute is not so much as to what happened, but whether what happened merits impeachment.
There is no proof. It all depends on how you read the phone call transcript. IMO the most powerful testimony is from Zelensky who refutes the whole thing.Doc Holliday said:Can you provide us proof of what happened. Not your opinion or others, but actual blatant proof?Midnight Rider said:
No, the reasons really happened. The dispute is not so much as to what happened, but whether what happened merits impeachment.
Yep.fadskier said:There is no proof. It all depends on how you read the phone call transcript. IMO the most powerful testimony is from Zelensky who refutes the whole thing.Doc Holliday said:Can you provide us proof of what happened. Not your opinion or others, but actual blatant proof?Midnight Rider said:
No, the reasons really happened. The dispute is not so much as to what happened, but whether what happened merits impeachment.
The facts are the facts and Trump will be impeached on the facts regarding his actions.fadskier said:Actually what happened IS up for what really happened...and the reason behind it. Republicans read the phone call differently that Democrats do.Midnight Rider said:
No, the reasons really happened. The dispute is not so much as to what happened, but whether what happened merits impeachment.
The problem I have is that since he won, Democrats have been running their mouths about impeachment...when Mueller failed, they are trying this. Since the Senate won't play along, it's just a waste on money.
You may believe that the President ask for a quid-pro-quo from Zelensky, I do not. So you see, the reasons ARE up for discussion.
fadskier said:
I'd be a little more sympathetic with the Democrats had they not preached impeachment since he was elected...even their own party members have stated this they are doing this to prevent him from being elected again.
cinque said:The facts are the facts and Trump will be impeached on the facts regarding his actions.fadskier said:Actually what happened IS up for what really happened...and the reason behind it. Republicans read the phone call differently that Democrats do.Midnight Rider said:
No, the reasons really happened. The dispute is not so much as to what happened, but whether what happened merits impeachment.
The problem I have is that since he won, Democrats have been running their mouths about impeachment...when Mueller failed, they are trying this. Since the Senate won't play along, it's just a waste on money.
You may believe that the President ask for a quid-pro-quo from Zelensky, I do not. So you see, the reasons ARE up for discussion.
Less than we wasted on benghazi. Your memory is shorter than your dick.fadskier said:
On the Mueller report and now this stupid fake impeachment inquiry? Our govt can sure spend the $$
Fascist Repugs - always interfering with democracy at every level incl the courts.Baylor3216 said:fadskier said:
I'd be a little more sympathetic with the Democrats had they not preached impeachment since he was elected...even their own party members have stated this they are doing this to prevent him from being elected again.
Socialist Democrats - always interfering in our elections
Your president led a conspiracy to compel a foreign head of state to announce a criminal investigation into his potential rival who could upend his presidency. That's an abuse of power/office. The Dems will,probably throw in an obstruction article in there for good measure. Trump is getting what he deserves.Canada2017 said:cinque said:The facts are the facts and Trump will be impeached on the facts regarding his actions.fadskier said:Actually what happened IS up for what really happened...and the reason behind it. Republicans read the phone call differently that Democrats do.Midnight Rider said:
No, the reasons really happened. The dispute is not so much as to what happened, but whether what happened merits impeachment.
The problem I have is that since he won, Democrats have been running their mouths about impeachment...when Mueller failed, they are trying this. Since the Senate won't play along, it's just a waste on money.
You may believe that the President ask for a quid-pro-quo from Zelensky, I do not. So you see, the reasons ARE up for discussion.
Bull
Trump will be impeached only because the Democrats control the House of Representatives.
This is solely punitive party politics and a disgusting farce .
I have been banging this drum to the shockingly deaf ears.Malbec said:
I have a few questions. If Trump did what the Dems claim he did; withheld aid to Ukraine dependent on Zelensky's investigation of the Bidens because it was of political value to Trump, wouldn't it only benefit Trump if Biden was guilty of something illegal? If an investigation showed that Biden did nothing wrong, wouldn't that damage Trump politically and benefit Biden and the Dems? Are the Dems saying that Biden committed crimes? Because that's the only way a Ukrainian investigation would benefit Trump.
cinque said:Your president led a conspiracy to compel a foreign head of state to announce a criminal investigation into his potential rival who could upend his presidency. That's an abuse of power/office. The Dems will,probably throw in an obstruction article in there for good measure. Trump is getting what he deserves.Canada2017 said:cinque said:The facts are the facts and Trump will be impeached on the facts regarding his actions.fadskier said:Actually what happened IS up for what really happened...and the reason behind it. Republicans read the phone call differently that Democrats do.Midnight Rider said:
No, the reasons really happened. The dispute is not so much as to what happened, but whether what happened merits impeachment.
The problem I have is that since he won, Democrats have been running their mouths about impeachment...when Mueller failed, they are trying this. Since the Senate won't play along, it's just a waste on money.
You may believe that the President ask for a quid-pro-quo from Zelensky, I do not. So you see, the reasons ARE up for discussion.
Bull
Trump will be impeached only because the Democrats control the House of Representatives.
This is solely punitive party politics and a disgusting farce .
cinque said:
There are 14 Republicans currently serving in the House or Senate who sat in judgement of Clinton during his impeachment. They'll be asked about their change of heart.
The Mueller report really happened, too. Doesn't change the fact that they're both a giant waste of money and nothing more than political grandstanding. Same with Kavanaugh.Midnight Rider said:
The impeachment inquiry may be stupid, but it is not fake. It is really happening.
Malbec said:
I have a few questions. If Trump did what the Dems claim he did; withheld aid to Ukraine dependent on Zelensky's investigation of the Bidens because it was of political value to Trump, wouldn't it only benefit Trump if Biden was guilty of something illegal? If an investigation showed that Biden did nothing wrong, wouldn't that damage Trump politically and benefit Biden and the Dems? Are the Dems saying that Biden committed crimes? Because that's the only way a Ukrainian investigation would benefit Trump.
So just like Mueller. He found nothing and it won Democrats midterms.HuMcK said:Malbec said:
I have a few questions. If Trump did what the Dems claim he did; withheld aid to Ukraine dependent on Zelensky's investigation of the Bidens because it was of political value to Trump, wouldn't it only benefit Trump if Biden was guilty of something illegal? If an investigation showed that Biden did nothing wrong, wouldn't that damage Trump politically and benefit Biden and the Dems? Are the Dems saying that Biden committed crimes? Because that's the only way a Ukrainian investigation would benefit Trump.
The whole point was to have an investigation that was "up and running" through campaign season so he could make it an issue (which he has explicitly said he will do at his rallies), not that Ukraine would actually find anything.
Doc Holliday said:So just like Mueller. He found nothing and it won Democrats midterms.HuMcK said:Malbec said:
I have a few questions. If Trump did what the Dems claim he did; withheld aid to Ukraine dependent on Zelensky's investigation of the Bidens because it was of political value to Trump, wouldn't it only benefit Trump if Biden was guilty of something illegal? If an investigation showed that Biden did nothing wrong, wouldn't that damage Trump politically and benefit Biden and the Dems? Are the Dems saying that Biden committed crimes? Because that's the only way a Ukrainian investigation would benefit Trump.
The whole point was to have an investigation that was "up and running" through campaign season so he could make it an issue (which he has explicitly said he will do at his rallies), not that Ukraine would actually find anything.
Giuliani has the evidence and it will be delivered in the Senate.
Or I just read the news in general. Pete Sessions was subpoenaed to appear before a Grand Jury and testify about his interactions with Giuliani (+ his indicted buddies Parnas and Fruman) over 6 weeks ago, which means Giuliani has been subject to a criminal investigation for some time now, but I bet you never heard about that reporting (by the WSJ ) from any of the Trump-loving fringe sources y'all exclusively get your news from.ScottS said:
HuMck,
It sounds like you've been watching MSLSD.
Which is why I said "our govt" because both sides do it.Wallace said:Less than we wasted on benghazi. Your memory is shorter than your dick.fadskier said:
On the Mueller report and now this stupid fake impeachment inquiry? Our govt can sure spend the $$
She's 78 and has Parkinsons. So you assaulted her and brag about it here. Expect a visit from law enforcement that don't share your original sense of humor.fadskier said:Which is why I said "our govt" because both sides do it.Wallace said:Less than we wasted on benghazi. Your memory is shorter than your dick.fadskier said:
On the Mueller report and now this stupid fake impeachment inquiry? Our govt can sure spend the $$
As for my dick, it was big enough for your mom's mouth
cinque said:
There are 14 Republicans currently serving in the House or Senate who sat in judgement of Clinton during his impeachment. They'll be asked about their change of heart.
There's real abuse and obstruction here. This shouldn't be a dilemma for Dems at all.JXL said:cinque said:
There are 14 Republicans currently serving in the House or Senate who sat in judgement of Clinton during his impeachment. They'll be asked about their change of heart.
Presumably the Democrats who opposed Clinton's impeachment will also be asked about their change of heart?