witchmo said:
Probably should have been a MOH. Different day but perhaps this could be corrected.
Any way, he must be remembered and celebrated.
A hell of a lot of high-ranking officers dishonered their duty by letting Pearl Harbor happen.Canada2017 said:
At the time some thought it was politically expedient to award a black sailor the Navy Cross....especially since there was no real verification of a Japanese plane being shot down .
And today it is obviously even more politically expedient since there were many Medal of Honor winners who did far more .
Oldbear83 said:A hell of a lot of high-ranking officers dishonered their duty by letting Pearl Harbor happen.Canada2017 said:
At the time some thought it was politically expedient to award a black sailor the Navy Cross....especially since there was no real verification of a Japanese plane being shot down .
And today it is obviously even more politically expedient since there were many Medal of Honor winners who did far more .
So I'm fine with focusing honor on a man who did the best thing he could, as soon as he saw the threat.
Canada2017 said:witchmo said:
Probably should have been a MOH. Different day but perhaps this could be corrected.
Any way, he must be remembered and celebrated.
Please tell me why it should be upgraded to a MOH ?
There was no verification what so ever that the mess attendant ( who had no training at all with a heavy machine gun ) shot down a single plane .
Now if you want to give him a Medal of Honor for being the ship's heavyweight boxing champ and helping some of the wounded....at least that much is true .
JXL said:Canada2017 said:witchmo said:
Probably should have been a MOH. Different day but perhaps this could be corrected.
Any way, he must be remembered and celebrated.
Please tell me why it should be upgraded to a MOH ?
There was no verification what so ever that the mess attendant ( who had no training at all with a heavy machine gun ) shot down a single plane .
Now if you want to give him a Medal of Honor for being the ship's heavyweight boxing champ and helping some of the wounded....at least that much is true .
That's a big reason why he was a hero.
https://pearlharbor.org/heroes-harbor-doris-miller/
Canada2017 said:JXL said:Canada2017 said:witchmo said:
Probably should have been a MOH. Different day but perhaps this could be corrected.
Any way, he must be remembered and celebrated.
Please tell me why it should be upgraded to a MOH ?
There was no verification what so ever that the mess attendant ( who had no training at all with a heavy machine gun ) shot down a single plane .
Now if you want to give him a Medal of Honor for being the ship's heavyweight boxing champ and helping some of the wounded....at least that much is true .
That's a big reason why he was a hero.
https://pearlharbor.org/heroes-harbor-doris-miller/
Based on his criteria about 500 Navy Crosses should have been awarded that day at Pearl Harbor .
Navy brass new they were going to need black sailors with the vast mobilization required in wartime ....and they needed a symbol .
And that's fine....a clever social/publicity move .
But to name a super carrier as a continuation of what was basically a publicity stunt ?
Rubbish
Sad, and agree.Aliceinbubbleland said:
This is truly a sad thread. I started it to honor a serviceman and our prejudices have truly ****ed it up.
robby44 said:Canada2017 said:JXL said:Canada2017 said:witchmo said:
Probably should have been a MOH. Different day but perhaps this could be corrected.
Any way, he must be remembered and celebrated.
Please tell me why it should be upgraded to a MOH ?
There was no verification what so ever that the mess attendant ( who had no training at all with a heavy machine gun ) shot down a single plane .
Now if you want to give him a Medal of Honor for being the ship's heavyweight boxing champ and helping some of the wounded....at least that much is true .
That's a big reason why he was a hero.
https://pearlharbor.org/heroes-harbor-doris-miller/
Based on his criteria about 500 Navy Crosses should have been awarded that day at Pearl Harbor .
Navy brass new they were going to need black sailors with the vast mobilization required in wartime ....and they needed a symbol .
And that's fine....a clever social/publicity move .
But to name a super carrier as a continuation of what was basically a publicity stunt ?
Rubbish
Publicity stunt?
What a stunt they pulled off when a jap torpedo sunk his ship and he went down with it 2 years later
My granddad served in the Pacific also.
How about this for a publicity stunt. Black troops who had just fought for this country had to ride the Jim Crow car on the way back home
They are saving that name for the day when carriers are rudderless and have basketball goals on both ends of the flight deck.corncob pipe said:
Be glad they didn't name it The USS Barack Hussein Obama