quash said:

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Gruvin said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities,

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

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I read attachment

Amazing the irresponsible nature COVID deaths have been shown as "COVID Deaths" but weren't direct true COVID deaths

This is criminal and they know it and they're trying their best to cover their deceit in the attachment! Of course this deceit will be buried by our equally corrupt media and no consequences will ever be had for those that have destroyed lives and livelihoods and killed people unable to get treatments for other diseases during this time

Terrible where we are as a country

Biden 2020, that's what it's all about

Criminals run against our country

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Nothing irresponsible about it. We've known from the beginning who was most at risk: those with co-morbidities. A death from coronavirus is no less a Covid19 death just because of comorbidities.

If you shoot an elderly person with diabetes and COPD good luck with your defense of "but they already had other illnesses!"

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you actually just made my case against the Covid mislabelings... alot of the labeled cases are not Covid deaths, they just happen to have Covid upon or near the time of death.

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The state doesn't make a murder/manslaughter distinction based on the number of comorbidities. "Victim had high cholesterol and diabetes, that's manslaughter."

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What is in the water this week that is causing people to make the worst comparable analogies.

The state will use the primary cause of death to define the death or the trigger cause... having terminal stage 4 cancer and covid is not a covid death unless you want it to be...

If a person is diagnosed with COVID-19 and then commits suicide, is that considered a COVID-19 death?

quash said:

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Gruvin said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities,

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

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I read attachment

Amazing the irresponsible nature COVID deaths have been shown as "COVID Deaths" but weren't direct true COVID deaths

This is criminal and they know it and they're trying their best to cover their deceit in the attachment! Of course this deceit will be buried by our equally corrupt media and no consequences will ever be had for those that have destroyed lives and livelihoods and killed people unable to get treatments for other diseases during this time

Terrible where we are as a country

Biden 2020, that's what it's all about

Criminals run against our country

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Nothing irresponsible about it. We've known from the beginning who was most at risk: those with co-morbidities. A death from coronavirus is no less a Covid19 death just because of comorbidities.

If you shoot an elderly person with diabetes and COPD good luck with your defense of "but they already had other illnesses!"

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you actually just made my case against the Covid mislabelings... alot of the labeled cases are not Covid deaths, they just happen to have Covid upon or near the time of death.

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The state doesn't make a murder/manslaughter distinction based on the number of comorbidities. "Victim had high cholesterol and diabetes, that's manslaughter."

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Reminds me of the Ronald Opus thought exercise.

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If a person is diagnosed with COVID-19 and then commits suicide, is that considered a COVID-19 death?

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honestly yes, it is

Good grief. Get this guy out of here:

nein51 said:

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It's pretty clear that COVID is killing people. Those with any number of other health factors are clearly much more at risk. This does not mean COVID isnt real. It does not mean that COVID shouldnt be taken seriously. It DOES mean that if you are in good health your odds of dying from it are infinitessimally small. Like getting struck by lightning twice small.

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^^^ All about uh ..... "we gotta beat trumps"

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If a person is diagnosed with COVID-19 and then commits suicide, is that considered a COVID-19 death?

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Absolutely yes, it has been counted as such

cinque said:

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Good grief. Get this guy out of here:

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Let me help you with his statement and what he means by it

What he's saying is this

ANY AREA RUN BY DEMOCRATS IS BURNING FOR THE DURATION IT HAS BEEN RUN BY DEMOCRATS

LOOK AT ANY AREA RUN BY DEMOCRATS FOR EXAMPLES

That's all

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Good grief. Get this guy out of here:

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Look, you may disagree with Trump, and you have every right to, but it's obvious to anyone that he meant it's been figuratively burning for many years. Like a "dumpster fire".

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cinque said:

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Good grief. Get this guy out of here:

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Look, you may disagree with Trump, and you have every right to, but it's obvious to anyone that he meant it's been figuratively burning for many years. Like a "dumpster fire".

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Personally, I think Trump should've said it's been a liberal five star s-h-i-t-h-o-l-e for decades - bigly.

Gruvin said:

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quash said:

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Gruvin said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities,

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

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I read attachment

Amazing the irresponsible nature COVID deaths have been shown as "COVID Deaths" but weren't direct true COVID deaths

This is criminal and they know it and they're trying their best to cover their deceit in the attachment! Of course this deceit will be buried by our equally corrupt media and no consequences will ever be had for those that have destroyed lives and livelihoods and killed people unable to get treatments for other diseases during this time

Terrible where we are as a country

Biden 2020, that's what it's all about

Criminals run against our country

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Nothing irresponsible about it. We've known from the beginning who was most at risk: those with co-morbidities. A death from coronavirus is no less a Covid19 death just because of comorbidities.

If you shoot an elderly person with diabetes and COPD good luck with your defense of "but they already had other illnesses!"

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you actually just made my case against the Covid mislabelings... alot of the labeled cases are not Covid deaths, they just happen to have Covid upon or near the time of death.

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The state doesn't make a murder/manslaughter distinction based on the number of comorbidities. "Victim had high cholesterol and diabetes, that's manslaughter."

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What is in the water this week that is causing people to make the worst comparable analogies.

The state will use the primary cause of death to define the death or the trigger cause... having terminal stage 4 cancer and covid is not a covid death unless you want it to be...

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And that is what has been going on since May 28. Covid with complications ...

This is a nothingburger.

quash said:

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Gruvin said:

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quash said:

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Gruvin said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities,

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

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I read attachment

Amazing the irresponsible nature COVID deaths have been shown as "COVID Deaths" but weren't direct true COVID deaths

This is criminal and they know it and they're trying their best to cover their deceit in the attachment! Of course this deceit will be buried by our equally corrupt media and no consequences will ever be had for those that have destroyed lives and livelihoods and killed people unable to get treatments for other diseases during this time

Terrible where we are as a country

Biden 2020, that's what it's all about

Criminals run against our country

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Nothing irresponsible about it. We've known from the beginning who was most at risk: those with co-morbidities. A death from coronavirus is no less a Covid19 death just because of comorbidities.

If you shoot an elderly person with diabetes and COPD good luck with your defense of "but they already had other illnesses!"

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you actually just made my case against the Covid mislabelings... alot of the labeled cases are not Covid deaths, they just happen to have Covid upon or near the time of death.

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The state doesn't make a murder/manslaughter distinction based on the number of comorbidities. "Victim had high cholesterol and diabetes, that's manslaughter."

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What is in the water this week that is causing people to make the worst comparable analogies.

The state will use the primary cause of death to define the death or the trigger cause... having terminal stage 4 cancer and covid is not a covid death unless you want it to be...

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And that is what has been going on since May 28. Covid with complications ...

This is a nothingburger.

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it may be in your mind but it is dishonest AF

I had no idea that Suicide was a complication of Covid.

quash said:

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Gruvin said:

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quash said:

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Gruvin said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities,

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

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I read attachment

Amazing the irresponsible nature COVID deaths have been shown as "COVID Deaths" but weren't direct true COVID deaths

This is criminal and they know it and they're trying their best to cover their deceit in the attachment! Of course this deceit will be buried by our equally corrupt media and no consequences will ever be had for those that have destroyed lives and livelihoods and killed people unable to get treatments for other diseases during this time

Terrible where we are as a country

Biden 2020, that's what it's all about

Criminals run against our country

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Nothing irresponsible about it. We've known from the beginning who was most at risk: those with co-morbidities. A death from coronavirus is no less a Covid19 death just because of comorbidities.

If you shoot an elderly person with diabetes and COPD good luck with your defense of "but they already had other illnesses!"

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you actually just made my case against the Covid mislabelings... alot of the labeled cases are not Covid deaths, they just happen to have Covid upon or near the time of death.

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The state doesn't make a murder/manslaughter distinction based on the number of comorbidities. "Victim had high cholesterol and diabetes, that's manslaughter."

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What is in the water this week that is causing people to make the worst comparable analogies.

The state will use the primary cause of death to define the death or the trigger cause... having terminal stage 4 cancer and covid is not a covid death unless you want it to be...

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And that is what has been going on since May 28. Covid with complications ...

This is a nothingburger.

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JMO... To people following closely it may be a nothing-burger. But it's not a nothing-burger to the people that didn't realize this was the case because of all the panic porn in the media skewing their view.

quash said:

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Gruvin said:

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quash said:

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Gruvin said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities,

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

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I read attachment

Amazing the irresponsible nature COVID deaths have been shown as "COVID Deaths" but weren't direct true COVID deaths

This is criminal and they know it and they're trying their best to cover their deceit in the attachment! Of course this deceit will be buried by our equally corrupt media and no consequences will ever be had for those that have destroyed lives and livelihoods and killed people unable to get treatments for other diseases during this time

Terrible where we are as a country

Biden 2020, that's what it's all about

Criminals run against our country

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Nothing irresponsible about it. We've known from the beginning who was most at risk: those with co-morbidities. A death from coronavirus is no less a Covid19 death just because of comorbidities.

If you shoot an elderly person with diabetes and COPD good luck with your defense of "but they already had other illnesses!"

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you actually just made my case against the Covid mislabelings... alot of the labeled cases are not Covid deaths, they just happen to have Covid upon or near the time of death.

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The state doesn't make a murder/manslaughter distinction based on the number of comorbidities. "Victim had high cholesterol and diabetes, that's manslaughter."

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What is in the water this week that is causing people to make the worst comparable analogies.

The state will use the primary cause of death to define the death or the trigger cause... having terminal stage 4 cancer and covid is not a covid death unless you want it to be...

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And that is what has been going on since May 28. Covid with complications ...

This is a nothingburger.

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Sounds like a weak excuse to me to explain away overreaction.

Jacques Strap said:

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quash said:

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Gruvin said:

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quash said:

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Gruvin said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities,

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

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I read attachment

Amazing the irresponsible nature COVID deaths have been shown as "COVID Deaths" but weren't direct true COVID deaths

This is criminal and they know it and they're trying their best to cover their deceit in the attachment! Of course this deceit will be buried by our equally corrupt media and no consequences will ever be had for those that have destroyed lives and livelihoods and killed people unable to get treatments for other diseases during this time

Terrible where we are as a country

Biden 2020, that's what it's all about

Criminals run against our country

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Nothing irresponsible about it. We've known from the beginning who was most at risk: those with co-morbidities. A death from coronavirus is no less a Covid19 death just because of comorbidities.

If you shoot an elderly person with diabetes and COPD good luck with your defense of "but they already had other illnesses!"

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you actually just made my case against the Covid mislabelings... alot of the labeled cases are not Covid deaths, they just happen to have Covid upon or near the time of death.

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The state doesn't make a murder/manslaughter distinction based on the number of comorbidities. "Victim had high cholesterol and diabetes, that's manslaughter."

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What is in the water this week that is causing people to make the worst comparable analogies.

The state will use the primary cause of death to define the death or the trigger cause... having terminal stage 4 cancer and covid is not a covid death unless you want it to be...

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And that is what has been going on since May 28. Covid with complications ...

This is a nothingburger.

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JMO... To people following closely it may be a nothing-burger. But it's not a nothing-burger to the people that didn't realize this was the case because of all the panic porn in the media skewing their view.

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Can't help the ones that only rarely pay attention.

Australia

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contrario said:

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cinque said:

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Good grief. Get this guy out of here:

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Look, you may disagree with Trump, and you have every right to, but it's obvious to anyone that he meant it's been figuratively burning for many years. Like a "dumpster fire".

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Personally, I think Trump should've said it's been a liberal five star s-h-i-t-h-o-l-e for decades - bigly.

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Yes

More accurate for sure

Might be easier for democrats to comprehend?

Naw

Jacques Strap said:

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Florida

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I'm telling you guys on DeSantis

I didn't vote for him in his republican primary because I thought opponent was more MAGA

Boy was I wrong ..... BIGLY!

DeSantis is only politician I know with no doubt bigger ones than Trump!

DeSantis 2024!

Jacques Strap said:

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Florida

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Politicians should never say never, especially if it is recorded.

Texas Medical Center
https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/

Houston Methodist "COVID-19 Cases by Day". Click scroll to 2nd chart.
https://www.houstonmethodist.org/-/media/pdf/for-patients/Coronavirus/covid-19-stats.ashx

Daily confirmed COVID-19 cases and deaths, United States
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-cases-deaths?time=2020-01-25..&country=~USA

Death rates from coronavirus (COVID-19) in the United States (per 100,000 people)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
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NJ 179
NY 169
FL 52
TX 44
CA 33
TN 26

Total number of cases of coronavirus (COVID-19) in the United States by state
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102807/coronavirus-covid19-cases-number-us-americans-by-state/
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CA 707k (39.5M population)
FL 622k (21.4M)
TX 630k (29M)
NY 434k (19.4M) (Case count may be too low due to lack of testing availability in March/April)
GA 268k (10.6M)
TN 153k (6.8M)

Herd Immunity Watch (Cases x10 CDC multiplier) / Population
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/25/coronavirus-cases-10-times-larger/
(Multipler range may be 6 to 24 https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/21/cdc-study-actual-covid-19-cases/ )
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/health/coronavirus-herd-immunity.html | 43%? Tom Britton, Stockholm University.puts the threshold for herd immunity at 43 percent.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.15.20154294v1.full.pdf Herd Immunity Threshold (HIT) may be greatly reduced (25%?) if a fraction of the population is unable to transmit the virus due to innate resistance or cross-protection from exposure to seasonal coronaviruses
CA 18%
FL 29%
TX 22%
NY 22%
GA 25%
TN 22%

School openings have not yet led to a spike. Of course many schools are remote learning only, but not all of them.

Daily confirmed COVID-19 cases and deaths, United States
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-cases-deaths?time=2020-01-25..latest&country=~USA

quash said:

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Gruvin said:

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quash said:

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Gruvin said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities,

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

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I read attachment

Amazing the irresponsible nature COVID deaths have been shown as "COVID Deaths" but weren't direct true COVID deaths

This is criminal and they know it and they're trying their best to cover their deceit in the attachment! Of course this deceit will be buried by our equally corrupt media and no consequences will ever be had for those that have destroyed lives and livelihoods and killed people unable to get treatments for other diseases during this time

Terrible where we are as a country

Biden 2020, that's what it's all about

Criminals run against our country

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Nothing irresponsible about it. We've known from the beginning who was most at risk: those with co-morbidities. A death from coronavirus is no less a Covid19 death just because of comorbidities.

If you shoot an elderly person with diabetes and COPD good luck with your defense of "but they already had other illnesses!"

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you actually just made my case against the Covid mislabelings... alot of the labeled cases are not Covid deaths, they just happen to have Covid upon or near the time of death.

---

The state doesn't make a murder/manslaughter distinction based on the number of comorbidities. "Victim had high cholesterol and diabetes, that's manslaughter."

---

What is in the water this week that is causing people to make the worst comparable analogies.

The state will use the primary cause of death to define the death or the trigger cause... having terminal stage 4 cancer and covid is not a covid death unless you want it to be...

---

And that is what has been going on since May 28. Covid with complications ...

This is a nothingburger.

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It may be a nothin' burger to you, but try asking all the businesses that are still suffering and the folks that have lost jobs due to the BS and over reported Covid deaths

Florda_mike said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Florida

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I'm telling you guys on DeSantis

I didn't vote for him in his republican primary because I thought opponent was more MAGA

Boy was I wrong ..... BIGLY!

DeSantis is only politician I know with no doubt bigger ones than Trump!

DeSantis 2024!

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No joke!

He might be an okay doctor, but he is a terrrible public policy architect.

If this is true, are we comparing apples to oranges to other countries with our positive case numbers?

Which is the right method? Are our tests too sensitive, or is Germany's not sensitive enough?

Maybe our numbers are actually much better compared to other countries.

(Thanks to Gunny for posting this in the Bear Cave.)

Jacques Strap said:

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He might be an okay doctor, but he is a terrrible public policy architect.

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Might have been when he wore a stethoscope but he hasn't in a long time most likely

He's nothing but another bureaucrat!

Friscobear said:

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If this is true, are we comparing apples to oranges to other countries with our positive case numbers?

Which is the right method? Are our tests too sensitive, or is Germany's not sensitive enough?

Maybe our numbers are actually much better compared to other countries.

(Thanks to Gunny for posting this in the Bear Cave.)

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I've been suggesting test was giving false positives around here for moths

And I've been ridiculed and called conspiracy theorist because I've done it

Again, in long run, me and others here suggesting the same have been right

Jacques Strap said:

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Republicans believe in small government, so we're going to let everyone decide the best course of action without centralized control. Unless you're a city or a county that wants to lock down; in that case the state will decide for you.

Also, we're closely monitoring positivity rates so we'll know exactly when to do nothing about them.

1/3 of the 3,248 healthcare workers in this study that had the virus didn't even notice they had it.

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/08/31/CDC-Nearly-30-of-health-workers-with-COVID-19-didnt-know-they-had-it/8841598900180/

CDC: Nearly 30% of health workers with COVID-19 didn't know they had it

Aug. 31 (UPI) -- Up to 6% of the staff caring for patients with COVID-19 at 13 hospitals across the country tested positive for the virus -- but nearly 30% of them were asymptomatic -- according to a report released Monday by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Researchers say the doctors, nurses and physicians assistants who remained asymptomatic may have spread the infection unknowingly to patients and coworkers.

The report's findings are based on an analysis of 3,248 healthcare workers at the 13 hospitals, all of whom underwent blood tests for COVID-19 antibodies -- immune cells that help the body fight off viruses -- between April 3 and June 19.

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If this is true, are we comparing apples to oranges to other countries with our positive case numbers?

Which is the right method? Are our tests too sensitive, or is Germany's not sensitive enough?

Maybe our numbers are actually much better compared to other countries.

(Thanks to Gunny for posting this in the Bear Cave.)

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Looks like the tweet was deleted.

Basically, the tests that are being used in the US are too sensitive and give false positives.

Germany's tests are much less sensitive.

Here is the NY Times (!) article that discusses why the tests are too sensitive:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

Sam Lowry said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Republicans believe in small government, so we're going to let everyone decide the best course of action without centralized control. Unless you're a city or a county that wants to lock down; in that case the state will decide for you.

Also, we're closely monitoring positivity rates so we'll know exactly when to do nothing about them.

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locking anything down now is absurd... studies are proving it useless as Virus gonna Virus. FL and TX did more right than wrong at this point.

Why is liberal NYT reporting this??? I don't get that