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What else would you expect from DeSantis. DeSantis is one of the main causal factors for Florida having the 5th highest death rate in the US.

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Sounds like DeSantis and Trump are synonymous to this liar

5th highest? LMAO

As we had New Yorkers running from democrat bastion NY to our state

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Driving to Colorado in October rather than flying.

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I thought about it but the fare was so cheap I couldn't pass it up. Everyone has to make their own call. I do like a road trip with nice lunch stops, good coffee to go with a good audible book so driving is a solid choice.

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Driving to Colorado in October rather than flying.

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I thought about it but the fare was so cheap I couldn't pass it up. Everyone has to make their own call. I do like a road trip with nice lunch stops, good coffee to go with a good audible book so driving is a solid choice.

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Travel specialist buddy said the price would come down. It has gone up to almost double, so that was part of it. Can also carry a knife. Riding with another buddy so we'll sail along and eat at the local joints, probably listen to the new P Furs album.

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TexasScientist said:

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What else would you expect from DeSantis. DeSantis is one of the main causal factors for Florida having the 5th highest death rate in the US.

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Sounds like DeSantis and Trump are synonymous to this liar

5th highest? LMAO

As we had New Yorkers running from democrat bastion NY to our state

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Truth = 5th 14,022 deaths. I don't think their families are "LMAO."

Or, sounds like your regular ad hominem attacks are synonymous with your indefensible views.

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TexasScientist said:

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What else would you expect from DeSantis. DeSantis is one of the main causal factors for Florida having the 5th highest death rate in the US.

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Sounds like DeSantis and Trump are synonymous to this liar

5th highest? LMAO

As we had New Yorkers running from democrat bastion NY to our state

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Truth = 5th 14,022 deaths. I don't think their families are "LMAO."

Or, sounds like your regular ad hominem attacks are synonymous with your indefensible views.

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Again, how did statista get their death rates so wrong?

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Driving to Colorado in October rather than flying.

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I thought about it but the fare was so cheap I couldn't pass it up. Everyone has to make their own call. I do like a road trip with nice lunch stops, good coffee to go with a good audible book so driving is a solid choice.

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Travel specialist buddy said the price would come down. It has gone up to almost double, so that was part of it. Can also carry a knife. Riding with another buddy so we'll sail along and eat at the local joints, probably listen to the new P Furs album.

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Colors are just now in full. You might catch the tail end in early October.

Going for Baylor fellowship, I can miss the colors.

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Death rates from coronavirus (COVID-19) in the United States (per 100,000 people)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
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#1 NJ 181
#2 NY 170
#3 MA 136
#4 CT 126
#5 LA 117
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#15 FL 64

US AVG 62
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

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Someone show TS this

And although Florida deaths are #5, it's "death rate" is 15th as shown above

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The DOW is currently down 429 points. The sky is falling! Armageddon is looming!

(The hysteria here is giving me flashbacks of the Swine Flu outbreak years ago).

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Dr. Ward, when are we going to hear your expert medical opinion in the Gazette again?

Aluminum foil salesman by week, virologist by weekend.

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Dude, get over your fixation of RD2!!!

What the hell is wrong with you?

I just checked your 100 posts ever and all are attacking RD2

You need gone, long gone

You're very sick!

It takes two flags to get a moderator's attention. I flagged this ****** every time, I just need a second. It is personal and should be booted.

Finally we agree?

Armageddon is looming for the leftist loons. They have but a short time left so expect all out assaults on this country until Trump locks the criminal element up after the swamp is totally drained. Every effort should be made to get rid of every federal employee who thinks they are entitled to their gig.

This election is now about good vs. evil. There are no more fights to be had bw conservative and liberals, Rep and Dem, red and blue, etc. We are starting to see how even the so-called church is breaking...these loons from the Unitarian church in Louisville giving them sanctuary.

C'mon people...the loons are preparing literally for WAR! There are no checks and balances on these loons from the left. This is why they had to go after the cops first. The theory is that once you take down law and order nobody can stop you and they are right up until Trump destroys them.

Now you have Bloomberg bailing out and paying fines for convicts in Florida so where do you think all this is going? We know but certain fools on this site haven't a clue.

US medical researchers +1

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/09/23/Routine-blood-test-may-identify-patients-at-risk-for-severe-COVID-19/3711600866777/

Routine blood test may identify patients at risk for severe COVID-19

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Sept. 23 (UPI) -- A routine blood test may help doctors and nurses identify COVID-19 patients at risk for severe illness and death, according to a study published Wednesday by JAMA Network Open.

The analysis revealed that patients with red cell distribution width, or RDW, above the normal range were nearly three times as likely to die from the disease, the data showed.

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For this study, Higgins and his colleagues, analyzed blood test findings on 1,641 patients with the virus who were admitted to four hospitals i
the Boston area between March 4 and April 28.

Those with RDW values above the normal range when they were admitted to the hospital were 2.7 times more likely to die than those with values in the normal range, the data showed.

Thirty-one percent of COVID-19 patients with above-normal RDW values died from the disease, while the mortality rate for those with normal levels was 11%, the researchers said.

Older patients with elevated RDW values were at highest risk for death from COVID-19, the data showed. For example, 46% of patients 80 years old and older who had elevated RDW died from the disease -- compared to 29% of those with normal levels.

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Good news if true. Needs clinical work. +1. Meanwhile take your daily multi-vitamins with C, D and Zinc!

https://bgr.com/2020/09/26/coronavirus-cure-icam-protocol-florida/

Florida doctors found a coronavirus cure that's nearly 100% effective

• Researchers from Florida think they have found a coronavirus cure, saying their treatment protocols had a success rate of nearly 100%.
• AdventHealth Ocala doctors treated their patients with a combination of four types of drugs under the acronym ICAM.
• ICAM is a COVID-19 therapy designed to boost the immune system while preventing inflammation in the lungs.
• A clinical trial is underway to prove the findings. If it's found to be safe and effective, ICAM therapy might be used on COVID-19 patients without the need to hospitalize them.

ICAM isn't a new drug, it's an acronym for a combination of existing medications used simultaneously on patients. It uses Immunosupport drugs (Vitamin C and Zinc), Corticosteroids against inflammation, Anticoagulants against blood clots, and Macrolides to help fight infection.

I was thinking what's ICAM???

Before I read your last paragraph I was guessing what the 4 were and was thinking it was Vit C, Zinc, Fish Oil, Mg and maybe CoQ-10 with an unmentioned HCQ

I was close

Someone smart would add something inconsequential to HCQ and rename it ICAM or something and get it approved to save lives

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What else would you expect from DeSantis. DeSantis is one of the main causal factors for Florida having the 5th highest death rate in the US.

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Sounds like DeSantis and Trump are synonymous to this liar

5th highest? LMAO

As we had New Yorkers running from democrat bastion NY to our state

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Truth = 5th 14,022 deaths. I don't think their families are "LMAO."

Or, sounds like your regular ad hominem attacks are synonymous with your indefensible views.

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Again, how did statista get their death rates so wrong?

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5th in total deaths. To make it easier for you to understand I should have said total deaths.

If you are not taking a daily vitamin that includes C, D and zinc... please reconsider

https://scitechdaily.com/sufficient-levels-of-vitamin-d-significantly-reduces-complications-death-among-covid-19-patients/

Sufficient Levels of Vitamin D Significantly Reduces Complications, Death Among COVID-19 Patients

Hospitalized COVID-19 patients who were vitamin D sufficient, with a blood level of 25-hydroxyvitamin D of at least 30 ng/mL (a measure of vitamin D status), had a significant decreased risk for adverse clinical outcomes including becoming unconscious, hypoxia (body starved for oxygen) and death. In addition, they had lower blood levels of an inflammatory marker (C-reactive protein) and higher blood levels of lymphocytes (a type of immune cell to help fight infection).

"This study provides direct evidence that vitamin D sufficiency can reduce the complications, including the cytokine storm (release of too many proteins into the blood too quickly) and ultimately death from COVID-19," explained corresponding author Michael F. Holick, PhD, MD, professor of medicine, physiology and biophysics and molecular medicine at Boston University School of Medicine.

D. C. Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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What else would you expect from DeSantis. DeSantis is one of the main causal factors for Florida having the 5th highest death rate in the US.

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Sounds like DeSantis and Trump are synonymous to this liar

5th highest? LMAO

As we had New Yorkers running from democrat bastion NY to our state

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Truth = 5th 14,022 deaths. I don't think their families are "LMAO."

Or, sounds like your regular ad hominem attacks are synonymous with your indefensible views.

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Again, how did statista get their death rates so wrong?

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5th in total deaths. To make it easier for you to understand I should have said total deaths.

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I understood exactly what you said. You said that Florida had the fifth worst death rate of any state from COVID. It turns out that you were either intentionally lying or you are just ignorant, but you are instead trying to blame me for actually reading and understanding what you said. Given that you data was a lie, your basic claim, that the governor of Florida deserves blame compared with other states, is not a data-driven argument, but politically driven whining.

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The fact is Florida has over 14,000 covid deaths in large part because the governor plays along with Trump's failed response. We've have an unecessary failing national response due to Trump's hubris and his yes men (De Santis).

TexasScientist said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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What else would you expect from DeSantis. DeSantis is one of the main causal factors for Florida having the 5th highest death rate in the US.

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Sounds like DeSantis and Trump are synonymous to this liar

5th highest? LMAO

As we had New Yorkers running from democrat bastion NY to our state

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Truth = 5th 14,022 deaths. I don't think their families are "LMAO."

Or, sounds like your regular ad hominem attacks are synonymous with your indefensible views.

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Again, how did statista get their death rates so wrong?

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5th in total deaths. To make it easier for you to understand I should have said total deaths.

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I understood exactly what you said. You said that Florida had the fifth worst death rate of any state from COVID. It turns out that you were either intentionally lying or you are just ignorant, but you are instead trying to blame me for actually reading and understanding what you said. Given that you data was a lie, your basic claim, that the governor of Florida deserves blame compared with other states, is not a data-driven argument, but politically driven whining.

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The fact is Florida has over 14,000 covid deaths in large part because the governor plays along with Trump's failed response. We've have an unecessary failing national response due to Trump's hubris and his yes men (De Santis).

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I am curious what you suggest we should have done. There have been different methods tried all over the world and it has not stopped deaths anywhere. Virus gonna virus seems to be the only thing consistent regardless of the methods used.

Is it also possible that Florida's overall population age plays a large role in deaths?

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Is it also possible that Florida's overall population age plays a large role in deaths?

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Sure it does. But Trump's and DeSantis slow response, denials, and failure to implement science driven policies are what has allowed this to get out of control, with the resulting 'long haul syndrome' morbidities and the high death counts.

Taiwan and South Korea are among the leading countries in successfully (both economic and health) addressing Covid.

3 Factors Contribute to Taiwan's Success Against COVID-19: Former VP
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200713005239/en/3-Factors-Contribute-Taiwan's-Success-COVID-19-VP

How Taiwan beat the coronavirus
[url=https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/15/how-taiwan-beat-the-coronavirus.html][/url]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/15/how-taiwan-beat-the-coronavirus.html

What the rest of the world can learn from South Korea's COVID-19 response
Researcher investigates how South Korean policy enabled the country to flatten the curve without economic disaster
[url=https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200810141006.htm][/url]https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200810141006.htm

Emerging COVID-19 success story: South Korea learned the lessons of MERS
This is a guest post from researchers at the Ariadne Labs as part of the Exemplars in Global Health platform. Ariadne Labs is a joint center for health systems innovation at Brigham and Women's Hospital and Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.
June 30, 2020
[url=https://ourworldindata.org/covid-exemplar-south-korea][/url]https://ourworldindata.org/covid-exemplar-south-korea

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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What else would you expect from DeSantis. DeSantis is one of the main causal factors for Florida having the 5th highest death rate in the US.

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Sounds like DeSantis and Trump are synonymous to this liar

5th highest? LMAO

As we had New Yorkers running from democrat bastion NY to our state

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Truth = 5th 14,022 deaths. I don't think their families are "LMAO."

Or, sounds like your regular ad hominem attacks are synonymous with your indefensible views.

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Again, how did statista get their death rates so wrong?

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5th in total deaths. To make it easier for you to understand I should have said total deaths.

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I understood exactly what you said. You said that Florida had the fifth worst death rate of any state from COVID. It turns out that you were either intentionally lying or you are just ignorant, but you are instead trying to blame me for actually reading and understanding what you said. Given that you data was a lie, your basic claim, that the governor of Florida deserves blame compared with other states, is not a data-driven argument, but politically driven whining.

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The fact is Florida has over 14,000 covid deaths in large part because the governor plays along with Trump's failed response. We've have an unecessary failing national response due to Trump's hubris and his yes men (De Santis).

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I am curious what you suggest we should have done. There have been different methods tried all over the world and it has not stopped deaths anywhere. Virus gonna virus seems to be the only thing consistent regardless of the methods used.

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South Korea and Taiwan are classic examples of how science driven policy as opposed to political driven policy has allowed them to get the virus under control without wrecking their economies. New Zealand and Australia are other examples. Even Canada has a low incidence and death count. The virus is running rampant in the US, due to our failed response.

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loanbear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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What else would you expect from DeSantis. DeSantis is one of the main causal factors for Florida having the 5th highest death rate in the US.

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Sounds like DeSantis and Trump are synonymous to this liar

5th highest? LMAO

As we had New Yorkers running from democrat bastion NY to our state

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Truth = 5th 14,022 deaths. I don't think their families are "LMAO."

Or, sounds like your regular ad hominem attacks are synonymous with your indefensible views.

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Again, how did statista get their death rates so wrong?

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5th in total deaths. To make it easier for you to understand I should have said total deaths.

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I understood exactly what you said. You said that Florida had the fifth worst death rate of any state from COVID. It turns out that you were either intentionally lying or you are just ignorant, but you are instead trying to blame me for actually reading and understanding what you said. Given that you data was a lie, your basic claim, that the governor of Florida deserves blame compared with other states, is not a data-driven argument, but politically driven whining.

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The fact is Florida has over 14,000 covid deaths in large part because the governor plays along with Trump's failed response. We've have an unecessary failing national response due to Trump's hubris and his yes men (De Santis).

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I am curious what you suggest we should have done. There have been different methods tried all over the world and it has not stopped deaths anywhere. Virus gonna virus seems to be the only thing consistent regardless of the methods used.

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South Korea and Taiwan are classic examples of how science driven policy as opposed to political driven policy has allowed them to get the virus under control without wrecking their economies. New Zealand and Australia are other examples. Even Canada has a low incidence and death count. The virus is running rampant in the US, due to our failed response.

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South Korea and Taiwan both have different government structures. Their protocols would never fly here, and no President could enforce some of the things they did as it would be unconstitutional. Difference in living in a true democracy/republic. States have to be the main drivers and they would never agree since we are so politically divided. Huge population differences in those two countries compared to the avg American as well. May be a better example of healthy living than virus response.

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loanbear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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What else would you expect from DeSantis. DeSantis is one of the main causal factors for Florida having the 5th highest death rate in the US.

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Sounds like DeSantis and Trump are synonymous to this liar

5th highest? LMAO

As we had New Yorkers running from democrat bastion NY to our state

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Truth = 5th 14,022 deaths. I don't think their families are "LMAO."

Or, sounds like your regular ad hominem attacks are synonymous with your indefensible views.

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Again, how did statista get their death rates so wrong?

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5th in total deaths. To make it easier for you to understand I should have said total deaths.

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I understood exactly what you said. You said that Florida had the fifth worst death rate of any state from COVID. It turns out that you were either intentionally lying or you are just ignorant, but you are instead trying to blame me for actually reading and understanding what you said. Given that you data was a lie, your basic claim, that the governor of Florida deserves blame compared with other states, is not a data-driven argument, but politically driven whining.

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The fact is Florida has over 14,000 covid deaths in large part because the governor plays along with Trump's failed response. We've have an unecessary failing national response due to Trump's hubris and his yes men (De Santis).

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I am curious what you suggest we should have done. There have been different methods tried all over the world and it has not stopped deaths anywhere. Virus gonna virus seems to be the only thing consistent regardless of the methods used.

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South Korea and Taiwan are classic examples of how science driven policy as opposed to political driven policy has allowed them to get the virus under control without wrecking their economies. New Zealand and Australia are other examples. Even Canada has a low incidence and death count. The virus is running rampant in the US, due to our failed response.

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South Korea and Taiwan both have different government structures. Their protocols would never fly here, and no President could enforce some of the things they did as it would be unconstitutional. Difference in living in a true democracy/republic. States have to be the main drivers and they would never agree since we are so politically divided. Huge population differences in those two countries compared to the avg American as well. May be a better example of healthy living than virus response.

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The policies they implemented will work here. It requires a centralized lead effort from the White House/CDC/FDA with a well defined and articulated strategy to the states, together with the resources to implement the policies. Individual states (most) do not have the financial and other rescources to be the main drivers and to successfully go it alone. It requires a nationally lead strategy with states cooperating for the good of all. Healthy living is important, but not the determining factor in successfully getting this under control.

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Long article

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/09/28/florida-schools-reopened-en-mass-feared-covid-surge-hasnt-followed/3557417001/

Florida schools reopened en masse, but a surge in coronavirus didn't follow, a USA TODAY analysis finds

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Many teachers and families feared a spike in COVID-19 cases when Florida made the controversial push to reopen schools in August with in-person instruction.

A USA TODAY analysis shows the state's positive case count among kids ages 5 to 17 declined through late September after a peak in July. Among the counties seeing surges in overall cases, it's college-age adults not schoolchildren driving the trend, the analysis found.

The early results in Florida show the success of rigorous mask wearing, social distancing, isolating contacts and quick contact tracing when necessary, health experts said.

"Many of the schools that have been able to successfully open have also been implementing control measures that are an important part of managing spread in these schools," said Dr. Nathaniel Beers, who serves on the American Academy of Pediatrics' Council on School Health.

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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/09/covid-19-in-five-states-revisited.php

COVID-19 IN FIVE STATES, REVISITED

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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/09/covid-19-in-five-states-revisited.php

COVID-19 IN FIVE STATES, REVISITED

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Shutdowns prevented 60 million coronavirus infections in the U.S., study finds

By Joel Achenbach and Laura Meckler
June 8, 2020 at 2:15 p.m. CDT

Shutdown orders prevented about 60 million novel coronavirus infections in the United States and 285 million in China, according to a research study published Monday that examined how stay-at-home orders and other restrictions limited the spread of the contagion.

A separate study from epidemiologists at Imperial College London estimated the shutdowns saved about 3.1 million lives in 11 European countries, including 500,000 in the United Kingdom, and dropped infection rates by an average of 82 percent, sufficient to drive the contagion well below epidemic levels.

The two reports, published simultaneously Monday in the journal Nature, used completely different methods to reach similar conclusions. They suggest that the aggressive and unprecedented shutdowns, which caused massive economic disruptions and job losses, were effective at halting the exponential spread of the novel coronavirus.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/08/shutdowns-prevented-60-million-coronavirus-infections-us-study-finds/

Yep.

TexasScientist said:

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What else would you expect from DeSantis. DeSantis is one of the main causal factors for Florida having the 5th highest death rate in the US.

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Sounds like DeSantis and Trump are synonymous to this liar

5th highest? LMAO

As we had New Yorkers running from democrat bastion NY to our state

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Truth = 5th 14,022 deaths. I don't think their families are "LMAO."

Or, sounds like your regular ad hominem attacks are synonymous with your indefensible views.

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Sounds like you don't know what a rate is, as opposed to a nominal number.

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What else would you expect from DeSantis. DeSantis is one of the main causal factors for Florida having the 5th highest death rate in the US.

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Sounds like DeSantis and Trump are synonymous to this liar

5th highest? LMAO

As we had New Yorkers running from democrat bastion NY to our state

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Truth = 5th 14,022 deaths. I don't think their families are "LMAO."

Or, sounds like your regular ad hominem attacks are synonymous with your indefensible views.

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Sounds like you don't know what a rate is, as opposed to a nominal number.

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Thanks that's my point

Did I see you just had new baby

Congratulations and get some rest

https://www.wisn.com/article/milwaukee-county-medical-examiner-says-states-coronavirus-death-count-too-high/34226894#

Milwaukee County medical examiner says state's coronavirus death count too high

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State includes deaths from other causes that also list COVID-19 among 'other significant conditions' on death certificate

You think the number they list for Milwaukee County in terms of total COVID deaths is inaccurate?" WISN 12 News reporter asked Milwaukee Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Brian Peterson.
"Yeah, it's too high," Peterson said.

He said the difference is due to the way deaths are recorded.

His office counts only those that list COVID-19 as the cause of death, but the state includes in its total, deaths from other causes that also list COVID among "other significant conditions" on the death certificate.

"They're simply lumping everything into one basket, so if they have COVID anywhere on a death certificate, they're calling that a COVID related death. I don't believe that's true," Peterson said.
"If COVID-19 is listed as a contributing factor by the medical examiner, we will include that," said Traci DeSalvo, of the Wisconsin Department of Health Services.

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