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(Please don't be a simpleton and respond with "If your family member or you would die from Kung Flu, would you ....")

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It's only the appropriate response. Answer one emotional hypothetical with another.

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They're not mutually exclusive. Again, not surprised no one can answer.

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The fact that pretty much everyone is following the CDC's guidelines and that most were doing so voluntarily before their cities/states issued shelter in place orders gives you your answer.

The vast majority of American citizens have willfully put the safety of their neighbors -- even those crusty old and sickly souls knocking on death's door -- above their own self interests because the thought of letting people die who otherwise wouldn't for the sake of an economy that is guaranteed to recover at some point is a repulsive one to most.

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Yet, you refuse to answer.

Would you happily give up your job, your spouse's job, and your home, and how much money?

Since you're so confident, let's see it documented - tell us how much you are will to pay.

Here is the future: https://www.chron.com/coronavirus/article/Photos-Vehicles-line-up-before-dawn-for-San-15192877.php

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bear2be2 said:

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Kyle said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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(Please don't be a simpleton and respond with "If your family member or you would die from Kung Flu, would you ....")

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It's only the appropriate response. Answer one emotional hypothetical with another.

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They're not mutually exclusive. Again, not surprised no one can answer.

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The fact that pretty much everyone is following the CDC's guidelines and that most were doing so voluntarily before their cities/states issued shelter in place orders gives you your answer.

The vast majority of American citizens have willfully put the safety of their neighbors -- even those crusty old and sickly souls knocking on death's door -- above their own self interests because the thought of letting people die who otherwise wouldn't for the sake of an economy that is guaranteed to recover at some point is a repulsive one to most.

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Yet, you refuse to answer.

Would you happily give up your job, your spouse's job, and your home, and how much money?

Since you're so confident, let's see it documented - tell us how much you are will to pay.

Here is the future: https://www.chron.com/coronavirus/article/Photos-Vehicles-line-up-before-dawn-for-San-15192877.php

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No one's happily giving up anything. There's little happy about anything that's happening right now. But it is what it is. And what it's not is our choice. So if I were to lose my job or my wife were to lose hers, we'd deal with it. We'd find a way to survive the couple of months it will take to get things back up and running and hustle like hell once they are.

Fortunately, it hasn't come to that and doesn't look like it will. But my business has certainly been impacted, and I know people who have lost their jobs. All are dealing with their situations the way I just described, and none are blaming seniors or the government for their predicaments.

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15,800+ deaths so far. Could have been much higher.

I'd say yes.

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We'll all be out of quarantine in a few weeks, the virus will still exist, and most of us will be no more immune than before. "Flattening the curve" isn't about a reduction in total deaths.. it's about spreading them out.

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tommie said:

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15,800+ deaths so far. Could have been much higher.

I'd say yes.

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We'll all be out of quarantine in a few weeks, the virus will still exist, and most of us will be no more immune than before. "Flattening the curve" isn't about a reduction in total deaths.. it's about spreading them out. and allowing our healthcare system to not be overwhelmed so it can still handle our normal emergencies and needs having nothing to do with the virus, which affects ALL age groups.

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I added a bit.

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15,800+ deaths so far. Could have been much higher.

I'd say yes.

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We'll all be out of quarantine in a few weeks, the virus will still exist, and most of us will be no more immune than before. "Flattening the curve" isn't about a reduction in total deaths.. it's about spreading them out.

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Hopefully, we've learned something during this time.

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15,800+ deaths so far. Could have been much higher.

I'd say yes.

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We'll all be out of quarantine in a few weeks, the virus will still exist, and most of us will be no more immune than before. "Flattening the curve" isn't about a reduction in total deaths.. it's about spreading them out. and allowing our healthcare system to not be overwhelmed so it can still handle our normal emergencies and needs having nothing to do with the virus, which affects ALL age groups.

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I added a bit.

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Again nothing that's come remotely close to reality.

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15,800+ deaths so far. Could have been much higher.

I'd say yes.

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We'll all be out of quarantine in a few weeks, the virus will still exist, and most of us will be no more immune than before. "Flattening the curve" isn't about a reduction in total deaths.. it's about spreading them out.

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We're just as vulnerable to spikes before during and after efforts to "flatten the curve". This is the logical fallacy that's been sold to the public. If anything we gave more time to align treatments and get further along towards a vaccine, but the overwhelm factor was overstated in conjunction with doomsday models. We ended up with a few regional outbreaks, but most outside of the NYC area had success in containing it, and other places it never took a concerning foothold.

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15,800+ deaths so far. Could have been much higher.

I'd say yes.

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We'll all be out of quarantine in a few weeks, the virus will still exist, and most of us will be no more immune than before. "Flattening the curve" isn't about a reduction in total deaths.. it's about spreading them out. and allowing our healthcare system to not be overwhelmed so it can still handle our normal emergencies and needs having nothing to do with the virus, which affects ALL age groups.

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I added a bit.

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Again nothing that's come remotely close to reality.

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So the curve flattening was not to spread out the cases requiring hospitalization so the healthcare system was not swamped by virus cases at its peak such that we couldn't handle our normal stuff during that period? That is what we were told by Trump's task force. Were we lied to again?

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15,800+ deaths so far. Could have been much higher.

I'd say yes.

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We'll all be out of quarantine in a few weeks, the virus will still exist, and most of us will be no more immune than before. "Flattening the curve" isn't about a reduction in total deaths.. it's about spreading them out.

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We're just as vulnerable to spikes before during and after efforts to "flatten the curve". This is the logical fallacy that's been sold to the public. If anything we gave more time to align treatments and get further along towards a vaccine, but the overwhelm factor was overstated in conjunction with doomsday models. We ended up with a few regional outbreaks, but most outside of the NYC area had success in containing it, and other places it never took a concerning foothold.

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That is what we were told by Trump's task force (as to the purpose of flattening the curve). This administration is like the little boy that cried "wolf". Please tell me when to believe Trump and when not to believe Trump. The words may not have come directly out of Trump's mouth, but it is his task force and he is responsible for what is preached. He is the captain of the ship.

You use a lot of past tense in your post. We have not "ended up" yet with anything. We won't know until it is over. We can only hope the distancing is working and that the ones acting on their "gut feelings" and data in their heads don't screw the pooch and let the thing run loose again by acting too soon.

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... and for the love of marie curie, open up some slots for elective surgeries - some hospitals are actually letting staff go.

not good.

people still need shoulder repair, boob jobs, ***** tucks, new knees, bile ducts unobstructed, spines fused, hernias repaired, etc......

- Dr BHJ

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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At least you can still murder your baby ... that's apparently not elective.

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Yup. Just as legal as it always was since 1973, as long as you can pretend a fetus is not a person.

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15,800+ deaths so far. Could have been much higher.

I'd say yes.

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We'll all be out of quarantine in a few weeks, the virus will still exist, and most of us will be no more immune than before. "Flattening the curve" isn't about a reduction in total deaths.. it's about spreading them out.

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We're just as vulnerable to spikes before during and after efforts to "flatten the curve". This is the logical fallacy that's been sold to the public. If anything we gave more time to align treatments and get further along towards a vaccine, but the overwhelm factor was overstated in conjunction with doomsday models. We ended up with a few regional outbreaks, but most outside of the NYC area had success in containing it, and other places it never took a concerning foothold.

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That is what we were told by Trump's task force (as to the purpose of flattening the curve). This administration is like the little boy that cried "wolf". Please tell me when to believe Trump and when not to believe Trump. The words may not have come directly out of Trump's mouth, but it is his task force and he is responsible for what is preached. He is the captain of the ship.

You use a lot of past tense in your post. We have not "ended up" yet with anything. We won't know until it is over. We can only hope the distancing is working and that the ones acting on their "gut feelings" and data in their heads don't screw the pooch and let the thing run loose again by acting too soon.

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You confuse me with someone concerned about who gets blame or credit politically. I said from the outset that the models didn't look realistic and as we've gone along they've continually been revised down significantly. That's not "gut feeling" that's trend analysis. And like every virus, there is no "over". Even with a vaccine, the flu is still deadly and the vaccine for it has at best a 50% success rate. The key is medicines that can treat the symptoms effectively more so than a vaccine, and that the most vulnerable constituencies take the precautions that best lower their chances to contract it. That's the same with the flu or Covid-19. However one chooses to assess the mortality rate of the Coronavirus, one thing is clear, it is not a death sentence when contracted even for those in the most vulnerable group. And lucky for us, we have the top healthcare resources working daily on how to minimize its mortality.

Coronovirus is actually probably not that big a deal, or at least shouldn't be, by itself.

But we're also waking up to the fact that , uh oh, we're not as healthy as we should be or thought we are.

America itself IS the sickly, obese, cancer patient that has diabetes and high blood pressure.

We should be young , healthy and vibrant and able to take this on the chin, no problem.

But since we won't treat all our other underlying conditions and we've let them fester for so long, a "trivial" thing
like the "flu" is actually probably going to kill us all.

It shouldn't be that big a deal, but now it actually is imperative, because we have so many other problems on top of it we've done nothing about for so long. And we're misdiagnosing the shut downs as the cause of us spitting up blood, when actually its the cancer we won't admit to having.

The opium of stimulus and spending, the opium we've injected ourselves with time and time again no longer has any effect as we've come completely numb to it. We need massive doses of it to give us any "high" at all.

So we have to "over react" and cure one or the other, because we're in complete denial about all the other problems we have . Coronovirus is going to be the country's "co-morbidity" so to speak if we don't get our act together on multiple fronts.

We're all in such a hurry to get rid of our grandparents and move on with our lives, but uh oh, catch 22, we're actually all the grandparents this time. Guess there is no escaping it, we're going to have to come up with real solutions this time.

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Perhaps not so much. Reports are coming out that doctors are concerned that the virus even if you are young and did not have symptoms or had mild to moderate symptoms may be causing long-term harm to the liver and heart, that may take some years to show up as chronic problems as people age. Time will tell. It probably doesn't matter because you probably can't do anything about it, but it may not be as benign as some people hope, even after you have recovered.

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Perhaps not so much. Reports are coming out that doctors are concerned that the virus even if you are young and did not have symptoms or had mild to moderate symptoms may be causing long-term harm to the liver and heart, that may take some years to show up as chronic problems as people age. Time will tell. It probably doesn't matter because you probably can't do anything about it, but it may not be as benign as some people hope, even after you have recovered.

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Perhaps not so much. Reports are coming out that doctors are concerned that the virus even if you are young and did not have symptoms or had mild to moderate symptoms may be causing long-term harm to the liver and heart, that may take some years to show up as chronic problems as people age. Time will tell. It probably doesn't matter because you probably can't do anything about it, but it may not be as benign as some people hope, even after you have recovered.

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So far, 97 people have died. Each day, 102 people die in automobile accidents.

We're at least 15,000 deaths away from reaching H1N1 totals, and 20,000 away from annual influenza totals.

Was it worth it to destroy tens of millions of lives as well as our economy?

Was it worth it to try and win an election?

What will put a bigger strain on health care, 5,000 Wuhan Virus cases or a 20% unemployment rate?

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Yes, the quarantine is worth it.

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We'll know in November. This could backfire on the democrats if Trump gets us out of this and the economy begins to recover before the election.

Every person I've talked to, regardless of age, race or political affiliation knows the hysteria is ridiculous. That doesn't mean they think the virus isn't dangerous, it absolutely is, but the panic is disproportionate to the actual threat. And most people are seeing that.

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Prove "hysteria." You begged the question.
The question is not "Is the hysteria ridiculous?" Rather the question is does hysteria exist and prove.

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We should be young , healthy and vibrant and able to take this on the chin, no problem.

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Perhaps not so much. Reports are coming out that doctors are concerned that the virus even if you are young and did not have symptoms or had mild to moderate symptoms may be causing long-term harm to the liver and heart, that may take some years to show up as chronic problems as people age. Time will tell. It probably doesn't matter because you probably can't do anything about it, but it may not be as benign as some people hope, even after you have recovered.

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Page 6A in today's (Sunday) Dallas Morning News. Report by-lined Los Angeles Times, but this isn't the first time I have heard this. Sorry I don't bother with online websites for news. I can get enough of that garbage on this website.

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We should be young , healthy and vibrant and able to take this on the chin, no problem.

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Perhaps not so much. Reports are coming out that doctors are concerned that the virus even if you are young and did not have symptoms or had mild to moderate symptoms may be causing long-term harm to the liver and heart, that may take some years to show up as chronic problems as people age. Time will tell. It probably doesn't matter because you probably can't do anything about it, but it may not be as benign as some people hope, even after you have recovered.

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Page 6A in today's (Sunday) Dallas Morning News. Report by-lined Los Angeles Times, but this isn't the first time I have heard this. Sorry I don't bother with online websites for news. I can get enough of that garbage on this website.

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... and for the love of marie curie, open up some slots for elective surgeries - some hospitals are actually letting staff go.

not good.

people still need shoulder repair, boob jobs, ***** tucks, new knees, bile ducts unobstructed, spines fused, hernias repaired, etc......

- Dr BHJ

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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At least you can still murder your baby ... that's apparently not elective.

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Yup. Just as legal as it always was since 1973, as long as you can pretend a fetus is not a person.

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You want to argue biblical principles have the faith to do so. Legally I was right before your religious deflection.

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william said:

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... and for the love of marie curie, open up some slots for elective surgeries - some hospitals are actually letting staff go.

not good.

people still need shoulder repair, boob jobs, ***** tucks, new knees, bile ducts unobstructed, spines fused, hernias repaired, etc......

- Dr BHJ

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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At least you can still murder your baby ... that's apparently not elective.

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Yup. Just as legal as it always was since 1973, as long as you can pretend a fetus is not a person.

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You want to argue biblical principles have the faith to do so. Legally I was right before your religious deflection.

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Laws change as we learn better. Slavery was once very legal. It was once legal for a nobleman to kill a serf.


You want to depend on legality, you stand on wet sand, friend.

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These graphics are horribly misleading. I've posted the stats for 3 weeks and you can calculate from that what the average daily death rate is, and it's way less. This is just taking the latest daily death toll and comparing it against an average for other ailments. Heart disease kills 650,000 people a year, so if one believes 2000 people a day will be dying from Covid-19 for the next 10-11 months, then yes it will catch heart disease, otherwise this is a useless graphic.

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These graphics are horribly misleading. I've posted the stats for 3 weeks and you can calculate from that what the average daily death rate is, and it's way less. This is just taking the latest daily death toll and comparing it against an average for other ailments. Heart disease kills 650,000 people a year, so if one believes 2000 people a day will be dying from Covid-19 for the next 10-11 months, then yes it will catch heart disease, otherwise this is a useless graphic.

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The intent is to scare, not to inform. Fear is a very effective tool to convince people to give up their liberties. The further the government power grab can be pushed now, the further it will be pushed when this is over.

Romer is credited with the quote "A crisis is a terrible thing to waste."

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We'll know in November. This could backfire on the democrats if Trump gets us out of this and the economy begins to recover before the election.

Every person I've talked to, regardless of age, race or political affiliation knows the hysteria is ridiculous. That doesn't mean they think the virus isn't dangerous, it absolutely is, but the panic is disproportionate to the actual threat. And most people are seeing that.

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Prove "hysteria." You begged the question.
The question is not "Is the hysteria ridiculous?" Rather the question is does hysteria exist and prove.

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You aren't being serious, are you?

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... and for the love of marie curie, open up some slots for elective surgeries - some hospitals are actually letting staff go.

not good.

people still need shoulder repair, boob jobs, ***** tucks, new knees, bile ducts unobstructed, spines fused, hernias repaired, etc......

- Dr BHJ

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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At least you can still murder your baby ... that's apparently not elective.

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Yup. Just as legal as it always was since 1973, as long as you can pretend a fetus is not a person.

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You want to argue biblical principles have the faith to do so. Legally I was right before your religious deflection.

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Laws change as we learn better. Slavery was once very legal. It was once legal for a nobleman to kill a serf.


You want to depend on legality, you stand on wet sand, friend.

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SCOTUS may, in fact, change the law. But it only muddies the water to talk about things in terms that are contrary to the law as it stands.

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So far, 97 people have died. Each day, 102 people die in automobile accidents.

We're at least 15,000 deaths away from reaching H1N1 totals, and 20,000 away from annual influenza totals.

Was it worth it to destroy tens of millions of lives as well as our economy?

Was it worth it to try and win an election?

What will put a bigger strain on health care, 5,000 Wuhan Virus cases or a 20% unemployment rate?

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This post grows in its delusion by the day!

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Love the correction.

Shows the hazard of premature projections.

It also ignores the issue that coronavirus cases are overloading the health care system. Plus, coronavirus deaths are underreported because of the lack of testing.

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We should be young , healthy and vibrant and able to take this on the chin, no problem.

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Perhaps not so much. Reports are coming out that doctors are concerned that the virus even if you are young and did not have symptoms or had mild to moderate symptoms may be causing long-term harm to the liver and heart, that may take some years to show up as chronic problems as people age. Time will tell. It probably doesn't matter because you probably can't do anything about it, but it may not be as benign as some people hope, even after you have recovered.

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Page 6A in today's (Sunday) Dallas Morning News. Report by-lined Los Angeles Times, but this isn't the first time I have heard this. Sorry I don't bother with online websites for news. I can get enough of that garbage on this website.

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I don't get the digital version. I only take the print version. If you don't believe me don't, it doesn't matter to me, but I don't put out information I make up to make some kind of point. I have only offered the information to try to at least provide people the thought that "recovery" may not be as sure as many think. The doctors are saying they have concerns, but it will take time to verify. The best action is to just do what you can to not become infected. What that means to anyone is up to them.

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Love the correction.

Shows the hazard of premature projections.

It also ignores the issue that coronavirus cases are overloading the health care system. Plus, coronavirus deaths are underreported because of the lack of testing.

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As noted above, this is extremely misleading, and I suspect Romer and you may be twisting statistics to suit whatever end you're trying to prove. Your internal logic is inconsistent. You say that cases are under-reported due to testing. I agree, so starting with a 3/1 date is arbitrary. There is reasonable to believe this has been spreading since late last year in the U.S., so the Wuhan Virus numbers should be cut by at least 1/3 if not 1/4. I think it is important to not think about this as a binary, political issue and one of public health. I think reasonable people can agree that it is neither the health system destroying, 20M fatality doomsday of early predictions nor is it influenza. This is a public health issue to be solved not a crisis to be exploited.

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So far, 97 people have died. Each day, 102 people die in automobile accidents.

We're at least 15,000 deaths away from reaching H1N1 totals, and 20,000 away from annual influenza totals.

Was it worth it to destroy tens of millions of lives as well as our economy?

Was it worth it to try and win an election?

What will put a bigger strain on health care, 5,000 Wuhan Virus cases or a 20% unemployment rate?

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This post grows in its delusion by the day!

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What's delusional? I am intellectually honest enough to admit the daily death rate has increased dramatically. However, it is TBD whether the long-term economic and social damage of the treatment will be worse than the disease.

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Page 6A in today's (Sunday) Dallas Morning News. Report by-lined Los Angeles Times, but this isn't the first time I have heard this. Sorry I don't bother with online websites for news. I can get enough of that garbage on this website.

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I don't get the digital version. I only take the print version. If you don't believe me don't, it doesn't matter to me, but I don't put out information I make up to make some kind of point. I have only offered the information to try to at least provide people the thought that "recovery" may not be as sure as many think. The doctors are saying they have concerns, but it will take time to verify. The best action is to just do what you can to not become infected. What that means to anyone is up to them.

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Calm down. I don't get the DMN at all and I am interested in the story. Asking for a link doesn't mean I don't believe you.
I agree with the 2 sentences in BOLD

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Page 6A in today's (Sunday) Dallas Morning News. Report by-lined Los Angeles Times, but this isn't the first time I have heard this. Sorry I don't bother with online websites for news. I can get enough of that garbage on this website.

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I don't get the digital version. I only take the print version. If you don't believe me don't, it doesn't matter to me, but I don't put out information I make up to make some kind of point. I have only offered the information to try to at least provide people the thought that "recovery" may not be as sure as many think. The doctors are saying they have concerns, but it will take time to verify. The best action is to just do what you can to not become infected. What that means to anyone is up to them.

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You may have seen those graphs of cities during the Spanish Flu that showed how spikes were flattened by social distancing. What sticks out now is St. Louis (I think) that reopened too soon and saw an immediate spike in deaths. Ended up shut down longer than some other cities because they had to play a double header.

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Perhaps not so much. Reports are coming out that doctors are concerned that the virus even if you are young and did not have symptoms or had mild to moderate symptoms may be causing long-term harm to the liver and heart, that may take some years to show up as chronic problems as people age. Time will tell. It probably doesn't matter because you probably can't do anything about it, but it may not be as benign as some people hope, even after you have recovered.

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Page 6A in today's (Sunday) Dallas Morning News. Report by-lined Los Angeles Times, but this isn't the first time I have heard this. Sorry I don't bother with online websites for news. I can get enough of that garbage on this website.

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I don't get the digital version. I only take the print version. If you don't believe me don't, it doesn't matter to me, but I don't put out information I make up to make some kind of point. I have only offered the information to try to at least provide people the thought that "recovery" may not be as sure as many think. The doctors are saying they have concerns, but it will take time to verify. The best action is to just do what you can to not become infected. What that means to anyone is up to them.

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You may have seen those graphs of cities during the Spanish Flu that showed how spikes were flattened by social distancing. What sticks out now is St. Louis (I think) that reopened too soon and saw an immediate spike in deaths. Ended up shut down longer than some other cities because they had to play a double header.

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I think you got Philadelphia and St Louis confused.

Below is from The Great Influenza
The public health response in St. Louis couldn't have been more different. Even before the first case of Spanish flu had been reported in the city, health commissioner Dr. Max Starkloff had local physicians on high alert and wrote an editorial in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch about the importance of avoiding crowds.
When a flu outbreak at a nearby military barracks first spread into the St. Louis civilian population, Starkloff wasted no time closing the schools, shuttering movie theaters and pool halls, and banning all public gatherings. There was pushback from business owners, but Starkloff and the mayor held their ground. When infections swelled as expected, thousands of sick residents were treated at home by a network of volunteer nurses.
Dehner says that because of these precautions, St. Louis public health officials were able to "flatten the curve" and keep the flu epidemic from exploding overnight as it did in Philadelphia.
https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-pandemic-response-cities

Doesn't really change your point. Be careful and come back when facts and circumstances permit