They aren't American companies. Good.
I get what you are saying to a degree. But do not forget that a lot of their employees are American. A lot of us on the right and left of the political spectrum do not like corporate bail outs. In general, it makes me want to puke. In a perfect world, this stimulus money would be only be bridge loans to what were otherwise solvent companies/industries that will not survive this work stoppage without it.tommie said:
They aren't American companies. Good.
jimdue said:I get what you are saying to a degree. But do not forget that a lot of their employees are American. A lot of us on the right and left of the political spectrum do not like corporate bail outs. In general, it makes me want to puke. In a perfect world, this stimulus money would be only be bridge loans to what were otherwise solvent companies/industries that will not survive this work stoppage without it.tommie said:
They aren't American companies. Good.
Bottom line, you can like big business or hate big business but it does not change the fact that most of Americans 401k/retirements are invested in them and/or depends on them for employment.
Do you really think unemployment insurance is the equivalent of a job? Really?? Unemployment insurance is a short term safety net for folks to get back on their feet again and reenter the work force. When entire sectors or numerous large employers do not exist anymore, unemployment insurance becomes a way of life. And I guess that is the difference between the right and left on this argument. The right wants stimulus dollars to keep employers and employees solvent for a short amount of time during a once in a life time event. The left looks at this as an opportunity to have more registered voters dependent on government checks on a long term basis.tommie said:jimdue said:I get what you are saying to a degree. But do not forget that a lot of their employees are American. A lot of us on the right and left of the political spectrum do not like corporate bail outs. In general, it makes me want to puke. In a perfect world, this stimulus money would be only be bridge loans to what were otherwise solvent companies/industries that will not survive this work stoppage without it.tommie said:
They aren't American companies. Good.
Bottom line, you can like big business or hate big business but it does not change the fact that most of Americans 401k/retirements are invested in them and/or depends on them for employment.
Their employees are taken care of with the increase in unemployment insurance. The Cruise industry can use Chapter 11. They made a business decision to avoid US taxation. (We know they're American).
jimdue said:Do you really think unemployment insurance is the equivalent of a job? Really?? Unemployment insurance is a short term safety net for folks to get back on their feet again and reenter the work force. When entire sectors or numerous large employers do not exist anymore, unemployment insurance becomes a way of life. And I guess that is the difference between the right and left on this argument. The right wants stimulus dollars to keep employers and employees solvent for a short amount of time during a once in a life time event. The left looks at this as an opportunity to have more registered voters dependent on government checks on a long term basis.tommie said:jimdue said:I get what you are saying to a degree. But do not forget that a lot of their employees are American. A lot of us on the right and left of the political spectrum do not like corporate bail outs. In general, it makes me want to puke. In a perfect world, this stimulus money would be only be bridge loans to what were otherwise solvent companies/industries that will not survive this work stoppage without it.tommie said:
They aren't American companies. Good.
Bottom line, you can like big business or hate big business but it does not change the fact that most of Americans 401k/retirements are invested in them and/or depends on them for employment.
Their employees are taken care of with the increase in unemployment insurance. The Cruise industry can use Chapter 11. They made a business decision to avoid US taxation. (We know they're American).
Forest Bueller_bf said:
Everybody needs a bailout.
I am watching TV right now, Cuomo said NY is getting 3.6 billion and need 15 billion.
So everybody needs a much bigger bailout than they are getting.
Unfortunately it's not a possibility, there is only so much money.
Very clever. He is much better than Biden. Just the fact he is mentally solid and is a compelling speaker.Canada2017 said:Forest Bueller_bf said:
Everybody needs a bailout.
I am watching TV right now, Cuomo said NY is getting 3.6 billion and need 15 billion.
So everybody needs a much bigger bailout than they are getting.
Unfortunately it's not a possibility, there is only so much money.
Cuomo is building up for a run to the White House .
He is totally eclipsing Biden with all of his ( New York first, last and only ) bellyaching.
Very clever .
This. I get there is a continuum, but these companies specifically chose not to be American companies, so why should they receive benefits from being an American company.tommie said:jimdue said:Do you really think unemployment insurance is the equivalent of a job? Really?? Unemployment insurance is a short term safety net for folks to get back on their feet again and reenter the work force. When entire sectors or numerous large employers do not exist anymore, unemployment insurance becomes a way of life. And I guess that is the difference between the right and left on this argument. The right wants stimulus dollars to keep employers and employees solvent for a short amount of time during a once in a life time event. The left looks at this as an opportunity to have more registered voters dependent on government checks on a long term basis.tommie said:jimdue said:I get what you are saying to a degree. But do not forget that a lot of their employees are American. A lot of us on the right and left of the political spectrum do not like corporate bail outs. In general, it makes me want to puke. In a perfect world, this stimulus money would be only be bridge loans to what were otherwise solvent companies/industries that will not survive this work stoppage without it.tommie said:
They aren't American companies. Good.
Bottom line, you can like big business or hate big business but it does not change the fact that most of Americans 401k/retirements are invested in them and/or depends on them for employment.
Their employees are taken care of with the increase in unemployment insurance. The Cruise industry can use Chapter 11. They made a business decision to avoid US taxation. (We know they're American).
It's not nor am I claiming that their options are bailout or out of business. I'm arguing that they are not an American company.
A question I didn't ask is about their viability. Even with a bailout, will people take cruises at the rate required to be profitable?
And, if so, the journey has included a lot of him and Trump patting each other on the back. This would be very interesting later this year.Canada2017 said:Forest Bueller_bf said:
Everybody needs a bailout.
I am watching TV right now, Cuomo said NY is getting 3.6 billion and need 15 billion.
So everybody needs a much bigger bailout than they are getting.
Unfortunately it's not a possibility, there is only so much money.
Cuomo is building up for a run to the White House .
tommie said:
This reminds me of the woman who dumps you because she wants to be with that hard ass *****. Now three of 4 beatings later, constant unemployment a new baby momma and herpes, wants to know you doing?
I'm straight.
This is not factually accurate. A very small % of the cruise industry are American workers.jimdue said:I get what you are saying to a degree. But do not forget that a lot of their employees are American.tommie said:
They aren't American companies. Good.
william said:
never understood the allure. not sure how they survive this. likely many BK's.
nein51 said:This is not factually accurate. A very small % of the cruise industry are American workers.jimdue said:I get what you are saying to a degree. But do not forget that a lot of their employees are American.tommie said:
They aren't American companies. Good.
Very, very few of the ship captains are American. Staff tend to be English speaking but mostly from the UK or Australia. The rest of the crew, which make up probably 90% of the people on board who arent passengers are typically from places like India, Thailand, Sri Lanka...virtually all the second world countries.
Those cruise ships fly flags of convenience to escape not just taxes but US regulations (which are far more costly than the taxes ever would be). Safety standards in the US are orders of magnitude greater than they are in, say, Liberia (where a WHOLE BUNCH of ships are registered). Their ability to hire workers for less than adequate pay, the make up of the crew...the ability to perform wedding at sea, all effected by which flag they fly.
I love a good cruise; you cant find better value for dollar, but they deserved exactly $0.00 of bailout money.
I can't imagine going once, let alone 12 cruises. Give me some highlights and lowlights and maybe I'll be interested. I thought the Alaskan ones might be fun but I've read the most popular advertised along the Rhine amounts to a trip down the Houston Ship Channel.Canada2017 said:
Wife and I have been on approximately 12 cruises .
Never once has the crew been even 30% American . Usually either Asian or East European .
Agree with Tommie...no to bail out money .
I did when I read the article abt that boat recently stranded. Was like $44k for a month / 5 weeks at sea.nein51 said:william said:
never understood the allure. not sure how they survive this. likely many BK's.
The allure is that it's incredibly reasonable and you get to see parts of the world most people otherwise wouldn't.
They have survived worse. The customers will come back, lured by low prices, ourselves included im sure.
For kicks and giggles go look at the cost of some of those ships like the Royal "of the Seas" ships. Holllllllly crap those things cost a mint.
6780 capacity * 12 trips a year = 81360 / year.nein51 said:
Lol sorry. I meant the cost of the actual ship. Harmony of the Seas cost 1.35 Billion to construct.