riflebear said:

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J.R. said:

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riflebear said:

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J.R. said:

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So, Trumps is telling GM to retrofit a factory to manufacture Ventilators in a couple of days. He just doesn't understand and he's just ill informed and is talking out of his ass. I spent a lot of my career running a $15B contract manufacturing firm on a global basis. Subsequently, I started and sold the same type of firm. You just don't retrofit a factory from cars to electronics in a matter of days. It is a 2-4 week process at best. The biggest problem is the supply chain. If you don't have the parts, you can't build it. Supplier's don't have finished goods sitting around. Most all of this stuff is custom and proprietary and without an order or forecast, it will be a while. I'd suggest that he go to the big contract manufacturers that are used to build this type of product and I'm sure they have capacity. Specifially, Sanmina-SCI, Flextronics, JBil and Foxconn (chinese, but good). Not GM. Makes no sense. This is really complicated stuff with alot of moving pieces and parts. Tooling in the factory is also critical. Have to be able to test PCBs and electronics. Quality is an imperative and it takes time. My point is he has zero idea what he is talking about.

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I just listened to Peter Navarro at the White House.

He said Ford was moving forward to help - so let me ask you why Ford can do it but GM can't? They are trying to prepare for the next 30-60 days when the apex is coming.

There are also 10+ other companies who already make them who are stepping up to the plate to speed things up.

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you really believe that? Nah.... its all politics with Trumps. Ford is no different than GM. Apples and Oranges. These products need to be in the hands of companies that know what they are doing. GM or Ford aren't those people. CM's can turn on a dime because that is what they do for a living. Plants and capacity all over the world and a workforce what is much better suited for this type of assembly. Peter Navarro is a twit.

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So you are saying that the head of this task force (Navarro) is lying while standing up there w/ the heads of all these organizations he just said he's been partnering w/ for the last few weeks?

Goodness, TDS is a serious disease that spread faster than the Corona virus ever could and so far I haven't seen a cure.

And yes, we all know you can't retool a factory in a matter of days for something like this- it's why they were just saying the plan is in place to use GM/Ford as backups in 30-60 days to the other 10 companies who already make the ventilators.

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What I'm saying is Navarro is a Trump acolyte. 2 months to retool a factory

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Canada2017 said:

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Suspect more will be imported from other countries than whatever number GM builds .

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yes, most sophisticated and high through put manufacturing is in Asia, but most US owned. These are the people who need to turn on the product and produce it. Much more efficient than you US car factories

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I believe such orders have already been made and are in the process of being filled .

Even if one sincerely believes Trump is the biggest idiot on the planet....clearly not everyone else on the C19 task force is similarly afflicted .

Believe you will see 100,000 or more ventilators in the hospitals within the next 4-6 weeks . I have no link for this number , totally just my unsubstantiated opinion .

However this pandemic is continuing to expand exponentially.......so i doubt any number of ventilators will cover the need in the next 8 weeks .

And even those patients with access to ventilators.....often still die .

Auto companies are large and very diverse. That is their history. They have done a lot more before:

https://www.history.com/news/wwii-detroit-auto-factories-retooled-homefront

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No.

What we (me) are saying is that there are companies better equipped than GM to do this. This is just using GMs name. It's not about the best decision.

A better positioned manufacturer will cost 1/2 of what this will cost. GM is not a agile or contract manufacturer. They're not even innovative.

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But you've contradicted the Dear Leader. That's a Bozo NoNo.

Cue the vehement defense of Trump's withholding of aid and other assistance to states whose governors havent praised Trump to the skies for his brilliant (not) managemtn of the coronavirus.

His supporters don't care if he's right. They don't care if he does the right thing. They don't care that his hair requires more care than Dolly Parton's (she just puts on the wig of choice) or that he wears orange makeup or that he slept with a porn star righ after his son was born or that he's a mean, venal jerk who NEVER takes the high road.

They just care if he feels supported and validated. They're willing to vote, and to vote for old people and others to die, if that supports or validates Trump's ego. They won't care if people's parents or spouses died unless the dead person is a member of their own family, and even then, they'll find a way to excuse Trump and blame "the Dems." Whoever dies and for whatever reason, it'll be Hillary or Bill Clinton's fault or Obama's. Their guy may be POTUS, but he gets all of the credit for a great stock market and none when his mismanagement trashes everyone's retirement savings and shuts down businesses all over the country because most people realize what Trump didn't say sooner enough--we need to flatten the curve now, or lots of people will die and our already stressed healthcare system will collapse under the strain.

And they call other people snowflakes.

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riflebear said:

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So, Trumps is telling GM to retrofit a factory to manufacture Ventilators in a couple of days. He just doesn't understand and he's just ill informed and is talking out of his ass. I spent a lot of my career running a $15B contract manufacturing firm on a global basis. Subsequently, I started and sold the same type of firm. You just don't retrofit a factory from cars to electronics in a matter of days. It is a 2-4 week process at best. The biggest problem is the supply chain. If you don't have the parts, you can't build it. Supplier's don't have finished goods sitting around. Most all of this stuff is custom and proprietary and without an order or forecast, it will be a while. I'd suggest that he go to the big contract manufacturers that are used to build this type of product and I'm sure they have capacity. Specifially, Sanmina-SCI, Flextronics, JBil and Foxconn (chinese, but good). Not GM. Makes no sense. This is really complicated stuff with alot of moving pieces and parts. Tooling in the factory is also critical. Have to be able to test PCBs and electronics. Quality is an imperative and it takes time. My point is he has zero idea what he is talking about.

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Many Democrats were getting on Trump to initiate the Defensive Production Act and now that he has people are complaining about doing it. Again, doesn't matter what he does people will complain and take the opposite side.

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No.

What we (me) are saying is that there are companies better equipped than GM to do this. This is just using GMs name. It's not about the best decision.

A better positioned manufacturer will cost 1/2 of what this will cost. GM is not a agile or contract manufacturer. They're not even innovative.

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You're not reading all the posts. Go back and read my previous posts and you will have your answer. They have been talking to the 10+ companies who currently make the ventilators to speed up the process the last few weeks and have added Ford & GM as backup companies if things get worse in 30-60 days.

Unless they start tooling today they won't have anything to produce. I think that's the point. If you want them as backups in 60 days they need to be retooling right now. There's very little chance either has started that process.

It sounds good because they are huge manufacturers with mega tons of employees but it's not any kind of quick fix. It's just not how big companies, never mind ones with union agreements, work.

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Unless they start tooling today they won't have anything to produce. I think that's the point. If you want them as backups in 60 days they need to be retooling right now. There's very little chance either has started that process.

It sounds good because they are huge manufacturers with mega tons of employees but it's not any kind of quick fix. It's just not how big companies, never mind ones with union agreements, work.

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That's why he invoked the defense production act and they said today they've been talking to both for weeks and Ford & GM are both supposedly already working around the clock. Ford was already complying. Who knows what's going on behind the scenes but they've been working w/ these companies for weeks.

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Unless they start tooling today they won't have anything to produce. I think that's the point. If you want them as backups in 60 days they need to be retooling right now. There's very little chance either has started that process.

It sounds good because they are huge manufacturers with mega tons of employees but it's not any kind of quick fix. It's just not how big companies, never mind ones with union agreements, work.

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That's why he invoked the defense production act and they said today they've been talking to both for weeks and Ford & GM are both supposedly already working around the clock. Ford was already complying. Who knows what's going on behind the scenes but they've been working w/ these companies for weeks.

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Being in talks with us just not the same thing as re tooling a factory. If you haven't been inside one of these facilities it's near impossible to explain the sort of things that would have to change in order to switch production from product a to product b. The logistics are incredible. Start with moving machines, some of which have to be moved by 50' flatbeds and cranes...then having the materials to put to together, then training the operators (who really only have one skill set), developing a standard for everyone involved, safety testing/training, getting the USW to agree to contract changes...if they produced a single item in 90 days that would be damned near a miracle.

Those huge old companies are lots of things, agile isn't one.

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J.R. said:

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Suspect more will be imported from other countries than whatever number GM builds .

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yes, most sophisticated and high through put manufacturing is in Asia, but most US owned. These are the people who need to turn on the product and produce it. Much more efficient than you US car factories

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I believe such orders have already been made and are in the process of being filled .

Even if one sincerely believes Trump is the biggest idiot on the planet....clearly not everyone else on the C19 task force is similarly afflicted .

Believe you will see 100,000 or more ventilators in the hospitals within the next 4-6 weeks . I have no link for this number , totally just my unsubstantiated opinion .

However this pandemic is continuing to expand exponentially.......so i doubt any number of ventilators will cover the need in the next 8 weeks .

And even those patients with access to ventilators.....often still die .

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you sound like Trumps..."I believe" " I feel" nope. 100K ventilators in 4-6. Its not happening even if the Trumps tells you it is. Gotta have parts.

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So, Trumps is telling GM to retrofit a factory to manufacture Ventilators in a couple of days. He just doesn't understand and he's just ill informed and is talking out of his ass. I spent a lot of my career running a $15B contract manufacturing firm on a global basis. Subsequently, I started and sold the same type of firm. You just don't retrofit a factory from cars to electronics in a matter of days. It is a 2-4 week process at best. The biggest problem is the supply chain. If you don't have the parts, you can't build it. Supplier's don't have finished goods sitting around. Most all of this stuff is custom and proprietary and without an order or forecast, it will be a while. I'd suggest that he go to the big contract manufacturers that are used to build this type of product and I'm sure they have capacity. Specifially, Sanmina-SCI, Flextronics, JBil and Foxconn (chinese, but good). Not GM. Makes no sense. This is really complicated stuff with alot of moving pieces and parts. Tooling in the factory is also critical. Have to be able to test PCBs and electronics. Quality is an imperative and it takes time. My point is he has zero idea what he is talking about.

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This should have happened while COVID-19 was spreading in China.

That is when HEB was getting ready. They are consequently more effective than FEMA at this time.

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Canada2017 said:

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Suspect more will be imported from other countries than whatever number GM builds .

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yes, most sophisticated and high through put manufacturing is in Asia, but most US owned. These are the people who need to turn on the product and produce it. Much more efficient than you US car factories

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I believe such orders have already been made and are in the process of being filled .

Even if one sincerely believes Trump is the biggest idiot on the planet....clearly not everyone else on the C19 task force is similarly afflicted .

Believe you will see 100,000 or more ventilators in the hospitals within the next 4-6 weeks . I have no link for this number , totally just my unsubstantiated opinion .

However this pandemic is continuing to expand exponentially.......so i doubt any number of ventilators will cover the need in the next 8 weeks .

And even those patients with access to ventilators.....often still die .

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you sound like Trumps..."I believe" " I feel" nope. 100K ventilators in 4-6. Its not happening even if the Trumps tells you it is. Gotta have parts.

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Haven't talked to Trump lately ....I have been kind of busy .

Suspect a significant amount of the ventilators we need will be purchased from overseas.

Seem to recall reading that some deals have already been made

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J.R. said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Suspect more will be imported from other countries than whatever number GM builds .

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yes, most sophisticated and high through put manufacturing is in Asia, but most US owned. These are the people who need to turn on the product and produce it. Much more efficient than you US car factories

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I believe such orders have already been made and are in the process of being filled .

Even if one sincerely believes Trump is the biggest idiot on the planet....clearly not everyone else on the C19 task force is similarly afflicted .

Believe you will see 100,000 or more ventilators in the hospitals within the next 4-6 weeks . I have no link for this number , totally just my unsubstantiated opinion .

However this pandemic is continuing to expand exponentially.......so i doubt any number of ventilators will cover the need in the next 8 weeks .

And even those patients with access to ventilators.....often still die .

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you sound like Trumps..."I believe" " I feel" nope. 100K ventilators in 4-6. Its not happening even if the Trumps tells you it is. Gotta have parts.

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Haven't talked to Trump lately ....I have been kind of busy .

Suspect a significant amount of the ventilators we need will be purchased from overseas.

Seem to recall reading that some deals have already been made

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ok, give us the specifics

Maybe joint efforts between big manufacturers and healthcare companies will work?

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Well, if this thing lasts for months and then returns in the fall, which many predict it will, 2-4 weeks still gives them plenty of time to be ready to combat later outbreaks, and we will no longer have a shortage of ventilators.

Maybe then we won't have to hear Cuomo every day.

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You usually aren't a jerk. Gov. Cuomo is watching people, including medical professionals responding to this crisis with inadequate protection, die. Do you seriously think that wouldn't make YOU feel sick if YOU were the leader of a state? Or have you become such a Trumpet that pumping up the pompadour is more important to you than people's lives. I'm disgusted with you and every other Trump supporter who is defending Trump's inept, unprepared, Dan-Patrick-enabling response to the coronavirus. The ONLY reason Trump is doing squat about the coronavirus is Tucker Carlson. THAT is frightening and despicable. Holy Jesus, when are you fellas gonna wake up and smell the coffee? When your relatives die? I'm scared to death for my mother-in-law, and--after my drive home from Montana--anyone in the state of Missouri.

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You have got to be kidding with this response. I didn't even vote Trump. Cuomo had been fairly reassuring, but a bit too much bravado early from him has lead to response like the below picture..




This was in NYC today. If they won't listen now, when will they listen. I'm not a jerk, but someone who managed the outbreak as poorly as NY doesn't have the right to point fingers, when virtually every resource available will have to go to them, when others will need it just as much. Also, I still don't think you understand the gravity of Virus, even now. It's not a matter of if, but when, we will all know someone affected by this virus. It is unstoppable, it has always been unstoppable. Once China let it outside of their borders, with our ties internationally it was over. All we can do is slow it, and the above picture is not heartening.

BaylorOkie said:

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Maybe joint efforts between big manufacturers and healthcare companies will work?

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As, I said earlier in this thread multiple times, this timeline is doable, not a couple days as The Trumps said.

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BaylorOkie said:

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Maybe joint efforts between big manufacturers and healthcare companies will work?

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As, I said earlier in this thread multiple times, this timeline is doable, not a couple days as The Trumps said.

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Yes.

What's crazy is that they will only build 50,000 which speaks to either a cap on need or funding.

Assuming sales=approx production they were making around 15,000 Chevy Cruze a month. Obviously that is far more complex and probably 30x the scale. Again, a matter of people not understanding manufacturing scale/complexity.

GM Lordstown (now a sold facility) with all things being equal (available parts, proper tooling, training, etc, etc) could probably have built multiple thousands of ventilators a day if they needed to.

It may take GM 75 days to figure out how to make them...and 25 days to product 50,000 of them.

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Tommie, they are saying they can't. What if the ER staff said that in New Orleans today? Or the truckers delivering in NYC? They need to find a way or close up for good.

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You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. GM isn't the answer. The machines need to be built , but GM makes no sense for several reasons

1)They build cars, not electronics. The electronics in cars come from suppliers that build them. GM plugs and plays.....that is how manufacturing works these days. Mostly final assembly.

2)There is plenty of manufacturing capacity in the world today given the last 2 weeks. Most of the CMs can turn a whole lot faster than freaking GM.

I could care less about GMs future.

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Hate to be the "Akshewally" guy, but GM does make electronics. GM Components Holdings is an automotive components producer and distributor based in the United States. It is a subsidiary of General Motors. GMCH was created in 2009 as a result of the bankruptcy filings of both Delphi Corporation and General Motors.

In 2020, in response to a growing shortage of ventilators due to the 201920 coronavirus pandemic, General Motors announced a partnership with Ventec Life Systems to assist in increasing production of ventilators at their Kokomo facility.

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So, Trumps is telling GM to retrofit a factory to manufacture Ventilators in a couple of days.

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Can you provide a link to his telling GM to retrofit a factory to manufacture Ventilators in a couple of days? I've looked and it's either not accurate or I'm not finding it. I'd like to read what he actually said.

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J.R. said:

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So, Trumps is telling GM to retrofit a factory to manufacture Ventilators in a couple of days.

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Can you provide a link to his telling GM to retrofit a factory to manufacture Ventilators in a couple of days? I've looked and it's either not accurate or I'm not finding it. I'd like to read what he actually said.

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No need to wade through Ewing's brain. They shot him for a reason.